Toyota halts U.S. sales of Camry, 7 other models
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WhiteHawk
Well, at least that doesn't include the Yaris/Vitz. I've considered the 3-door hatchback.
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gogogo
Ahh screw the rest of the world, only fix the problem in 1 country... how nice of you Toyota.
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NuckinFutz
You laugh about screwing the rest of the world! You don't see anything being recalled in JAPAN do you? This country sure has one big rug to sweep things under!
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michaelqtodd
The CNN report on this said that Toyota pays an average of $48 per hour inc health and insurance and other benefits to workers whereas other car makers pay around $70.It would appear that the old rule about getting what you pay for has bitten them
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gogogo
NuckinFutz: You are making the same point as me :)
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Branded
I must say I am stunned at the sheer audacity of Toyota. I mean where to begin ?
"Toyota has said it was unaware of any accidents or injuries due to the pedal problems associated with the recall, but could not rule them out for sure."
Is this because they continue to deny the hundreds of complaints against these various autos ? And if there was no concern over the pedals, then why the massive recalls ?
Toyota is looking more and more like a company that can not be trusted to police it's own. Whatever happened to their Kaizen program ? The Toyota way ? Just another "Meat Hope" in my books, ready to deceive the customer at the drop of a hat ! Lie I said before, I'll stick to my clunker Ford- 33 years running and still #1 !
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Branded
Oh and michaelgtodd there are a variety of websites out there just bashing Toyota to no end. One of them discusses your point;
"that Toyota pays an average of $48 per hour inc health and insurance and other benefits to workers whereas other car makers pay around $70."
What CNN doesn't tell you is that in reality the difference between Toyota and other big 3 US auto manufacturers can be as little as a $2.50. Toyota's ace in the hole is their practice of "not paying overtime for managers". Subsequently they have tried to bloat their various companys, especially in Japan, with "managers". What a scam ! A surely nothing the American worer would be interested in.
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Tahoochi
Here are my thoughts which I already posted on some other threads:
This recall issue will certainly hurt them, but I doubt it will sink them. Look at the history of automakers and recalls; other automakers have had just as bad or worse in the past but are still alive today (barely in some cases) : Ford's fire starting ignitions for 8.6 million vehicles, GM's loose suspension bolts for 5.8 million vehicles, Honda's defective seat belt for 3.7 million... etc etc etc.
What's most important is how Toyota deals with this issue now, and that they fix the problem so that the consumers and the NHTSA are satisfied (from the likes of Ed Bradley and the ABC news team, it doesn't look like they've been doing a good job so far, but it will be interesting to see what they do from here on in). Whether or not any additional death or injury occurs after the fix has been made is Toyota's fault or not is for the NHTSA to figure out.
Gogogo, here is the reason they are only recalling cars in the US:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/01/toyota-still-selling-recalled-vehicles-government-to-ask-supplier-cts-who-else-bought-same-pedals/1
And in case anyone is wondering, here is what really happened in the California case involving the death of a family of 4 driving a Lexus:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/dec/04/report-loaner-car-in-fatal-crash-had-earlier/
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Tahoochi
BTW, yes, I am a Toyota car owner, and a fan of the company since they were the "underdogs" of the Big 3 dominated auto industry, but I must say they are in some deep doo-doo now.
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kyoken
The same is true at least for Mitsubishi and other Japanese companies I worked for.
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kyoken
One thing puzzles me. Why do I mostly find these kind of news only if I go into the rubric "business" of JT and all so seldom find it reported on its title page?
I think it such issues should make it to the front page.
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Cliffy
Those are for unions and a lot of them are out of work because they are asking for salaries more than a Ph.D or anyone with a degree is making. Also, I do not see the Detriot big three were making any decent quality cars. Ford is improving, but not the other two that I can see.
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ca1ic0cat
This is bad news for Toyota but I'm still trying to figure out what the problem / design flaw actually is. Is the gas pedal so long that the bottom hangs up on the floor mats? Anybody have any insights?
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Fadamor
The floor mats issue actually confuses things. The floor mat used in the San Diego deaths was too large and jammed up against the gas pedal linkage - holding it in place after it had been depressed.
The current recall involves Toyota's research into other reports of sticking pedals (thinking they were also mat-related) but finding that those cars had no mat at all. So mats are not an issue in the current recall/production halt. There is a problem in the linkage where it will either stick in place once depressed, or return to the idle position at a greatly slowed rate. Both of those conditions are obviously unsafe.
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Branded
"The floor mats issue actually confuses things"
And isn't that exactly what Toyota execs wanted ? To distract away from the real problem- a design flaw that has led to hundreds of accidents and as many as 7 deaths- depending on whoo you ask. Some onfo out there has the incident reports in the thousands. It is here where I part ways with Toyota as they are obviously much more concerned about corporate profits than consumer safety. This looks like a "pandoras box" to me. Prepare for the ground swell against Toyota much like we saw with MItsubishi Fuso.
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WhiteHawk
gogogo:
Yes, not unlike the British maker of prams, which recalled ALL of their products from one country... the U.S. But not from any other country. And why? Because of America's abundance of lawyers, and how expensive the court system is for defendants.
kyoken:
It was on the front page when I posted. Guess it got moved.
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lostrune2
Toyota is taking a big hit (up to half their sales) for who knows how many days. But what Toyota has going for it is the good brand feeling that American people has for it (unlike some other brands). At the speed of their response (not many companies would've taken such a dramatic step or relatively as quickly - and they are doing the right thing, instead of playing with people's lives) and assuming they figure it out and fix the problem, most people who would've bought Toyota most likely wouldn't change their minds. Assuming they fix whatever causes the problem, of course.
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sfjp330
Branded at 01:53 AM JST - 28th JanuaryAnd isn't that exactly what Toyota execs wanted ? To distract away from the real problem- a design flaw that has led to hundreds of accidents
The recall is not just Toyota's problem. Why don't you ask Ford executives. Ford recalled 4.5 million vehicles in 2009. Also, regarding Ford Pinto, through the results of the crash tests Ford knew that the Pinto's fuel tank and rear structure would expose consumers to serious injury or death in a 20 to 30 mile per hour collision resulting in 180 deaths and 2,100 fires. There was evidence that Ford could have corrected the hazardous design defects at minimal cost but decided to defer correction of the shortcomings by engaging in a cost-benefit analysis balancing human lives and limbs against corporate profits. Ford's institutional mentality was shown to be one of callous indifference to public safety. There was substantial evidence that Ford's conduct constituted ‘conscious disregard' of the probability of injury to members of the consuming public."
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Fadamor
Seriously.... the Pinto?!? You had to go back 40 years to find an example?!?
I just find it interesting that only 6 plants are mentioned as halting production and all of them are in the U.S. I guess only the U.S.-made Toyotas are using the defetive part(s).
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sfjp330
Fadamor at 08:09 AM JST - 28th January. Seriously.... the Pinto?!? You had to go back 40 years to find an example?!?
Here is history of GM executive conduct. The 1993 result of the Atlanta jury trial. The court ruled that GM was to pay $101 million to the parents a boy who burned to death in a 1989 crash in his GMC pickup. This was the first punitive award among the many court cases involving GM's side-saddle vehicles. From 1973-89, GM pickups were involved in about 155 fatal side-impact collisions involving fires. Ford had 61 such accidents. The two companies had roughly the same number of pickups on the road.
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Branded
sfjp330- First off your comments on Ford and GM are completely off topic, so let me help you "refocus". Toyota has been producing some pretty shoddy automobiles for years now. The results are recording setting millions of recalls, some autos dating back a good 8 years or more, in countries like the USA and China- and Europe in the very near future. These recalls are for issues surrounding their acceleration systems. As if this weren't enough Toyota has also found itself being sued for hiding and manipulating the "rollover" data for it's SUV's. It is also currently under investigation for defective chassis that prematurely rust. Toyota is also being accused of dumping it's hybrid batteries on the US market and also being taken to court over theft of American technology in such vehicles ! Now keeping all this in mind, is the Ford Pinto really at the top of your list of concerns ? In a side note, it was reported today that some 68 year old driver lost control of her Camry and plowed into the side of a laundromat in Pennsylvania- do you think she's thanking her lucky stars she wasn't in a Ford Pinto ? I doubt it ! And a final note, seems GM is going for the throat now- offering $1,000 for Toyota owners to switch over to GM. Considering all the angst, anger, and frustration being reported out there with Toyota owners, I see GM making a killing ! As for me, like I said before, my Ford clunker does just fine thank you very much.
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sfjp330
Branded at 04:06 AM JST - 29th January. our post is probably from the Japanese version of things. Most of which the US court system shot down within the first few weeks of deliberations.
SOURCE: By Dan Keating and Caroline E. Mayer / The Washington Post
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Branded
"SOURCE: By Dan Keating and Caroline E. Mayer / The Washington Post"
Both of which who drive Toyotas
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Branded
"Toyota has said it was unaware of any accidents or injuries due to the pedal problems associated with the recall, but could not rule them out for sure."
Blatant denial !
"The announcement follows a larger recall months earlier of 4.2 million vehicles because of problems with gas pedals becoming trapped under floor mats, causing sudden acceleration. That problem was the cause of several crashes, including some fatalities."
"Floor mats" ? Deflection away from the real problem- poor design and faulty materials. These pedals are wearing out after just 35,000 miles !
"Toyota said no other North American Toyota facility would be affected by the decision."
More deflection away from the source of the problem- Toyota Japan and it's Kaizen system !
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Jehnavi
Toyota was clearly the biggest loser in January due to its recalls and stop-sales order on eight of its bestsellers. Yet, January's results varied widely for its top competitors that may have tried to take advantage of Toyota's problems with special incentives meant to lure disaffected Toyota customers in particular. http://www.automotivecraze.com
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