Close Futenma air base immediately with no strings attached
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NAHA —
Albeit knowing there was strong local opposition, Washington cunningly cajoled Tokyo into agreeing to relocate the U.S. Marine air base at Futenma to Henoko, Nago, in northern Okinawa. It was a government-to-government agreement and so Tokyo has an international obligation to carry out the agreed-upon relocation plan as soon as possible, insists Washington.
Less than two months ago, former Defense Minister Toshimi Kitazawa and newly appointed U.S. Defense Minister Leon Panetta reaffirmed that “Tokyo and Washington will move forward with the plan to relocate the controversial Futenma base within Okinawa.”
On Sept 7, the Noda cabinet’s newly-installed Foreign Minister Koichiro Gemba made an inaugural telephone call to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in which he assured her that Japan would “stick to the accord reached last year to relocate” Futenma to Henoko.
Gemba also said at his inaugural news conference that he would do his best to persuade Okinawa residents to accept the bilateral accord.
How is he going to do this? By lavishly bribing Nago residents into consenting? Or else, Tokyo would probably have to resort to police force, invoking state power and thus causing bloodshed and social turmoil. By coercing Tokyo this way, Washington is actually instigating these dirty tactics, and would repeat its stock phrase: “It’s Japan’s domestic problem that has nothing to do with the U.S.” A great democracy, indeed.
The meeting in New York on Sept 21 between Japan’s new Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda and U.S. President Barack Obama on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly session was the culmination of an array of such reassurance and confirmations. Noda assured Obama that he would do his utmost to implement the 2006 accord between Tokyo and Washington.
Futenma was constructed toward the end of World War II with an aim of attacking mainland Japan with B-29s in order to end the war quickly. But the war ended before that plan could be carried out. Futenma should have been returned at that point; instead, it has continued to be in the firm grip of the U.S. military all these years to this day.
The U.S. military seized the land in clear violation of Article 46 of The Hague Convention, which states: “Family honor and rights, the lives of persons, and private property, as well as religious convictions and practice, must be respected. Private property cannot be confiscated.”
There are more than 3,000 so-called “military-land owners” for the Futenma air base. This figure tells everything about its history, that is, how it came into being. Futenma was constructed, while area residents were herded into concentration camps during the Battle of Okinawa and afterwards, in the freely encroached-upon area where there were five idyllic villages with a joint population of more than 12,000.
Other U.S. bases in Okinawa, 33 in all, have more or less a similar history. In the 1950s, additional land was requisitioned at bayonet point and by bulldozer to expand already existing bases. Take Iejima, for instance. Jon Mitchell writes in his recent article in the Japan Times: “With all of Okinawa under U.S. administration, the authorities started by tricking the landowners (in Iejima) into signing voluntary evacuation papers… But then, when some families refused to leave, 300 U.S. soldiers with rifles and bulldozers dragged women and children from their beds, tore down their homes and slaughtered their goats.” (“Iejima: an island of resistance,” May 22, 2011 Japan Times)
The illegality and immorality of Futenma would not disappear even if it were to be moved to Henoko or anywhere else in Okinawa just like dirty money would not become clean how many times it might undergo laundering.
Both governments, especially Washington, must realize this and search for an alternative solution, that is, to move it outside of Okinawa, most preferably, to the U.S. mainland. The Marines themselves may have known the criminality of their base, for they already had a blueprint for constructing a new facility in Henoko in the 1960s which is strikingly similar to today’s relocation plan.
I repeat: Close the Futenma air base immediately with no strings attached. There’s no obligation for the Japanese taxpayers, Okinawa residents in particular, to foot all the bills for reclaiming the pristine coastal waters off Henoko and constructing an advanced base complex including military port facilities for the U.S. Marines.








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johninnaha
Shimoji-san, you propose closing the Futenma air base immediately with no strings attached.
I'll second it!
Get them out now!
And then we can start closing the other bases too.
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rdbrunson
Here is another vote for closure of Futenma. Not only is this good for Okinawa and the people, it is good for the US. The Marine operation there is out of date operationally and an economic drag on both the US and Japan.The laid off workers will be a problem initially, but removing the base will certainly enhance the spirit of the local population. The Japanese don't like to go back on their previous agreement, but in the interest of getting the US's attention something drastic like this is needed. Call it the Asian Autumn.
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ebisen
Well, every problem here is more or less directly generated by Japan losing the war.
Well, here's the rub, as rough as it sounds: If you don't like loosing wars, don't start any.
There's no talk of democracy in (ex)occupied regions. While those directly involved might be uncomfortable with so much American presence in the neighbourhood, the alternative of speaking Russian or Chinese is surely way more uncomfortable.
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USNinJapan2
What utter garbage. NOTHING will go your way Shimoji-san without some form/amount of negotiations between the two (national) governments. Seeing "immediately' and "no strings attached" should be enough reason for anyone to not read past the title.
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NetNinja
Now now....calm down. There isn't going to be any bloodshed. You can't expect any rioting. It's going to be real simple. The bulldozers will roll, the people will move. "Shoganai" you know what to do when you hear that. That means go home.and enjoy a nice plate of goya and rice.
Make way for the pizza delivery man too.
if the police and military have to get involved they will. It won't be like New York police. Just eat goya and they'll cool down.
Ebisen. I'm very impressed by your post. You told the truth. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing. .
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electric2004
Citing the Hague convention Article 46 will not help so much either. Because there is article 52.
** Requisitions in kind and services shall not be demanded from municipalities or inhabitants except for the needs of the army of occupation **.
In other words, the occupying army can take even from inhabitants, if is it regarded as necessary.
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Laguna
Passion duly noted. Wish the same could have been said for the logic.
Relocation to Henoko was first agreed upon 1n 1996 - fifteen years ago. The implication that this is some rushed decision is quite off base.
To repeat, the bilateral agreement was reached in 1996; to suggest coercion has been or is involved is entirely missing the point. Both countries have democratic systems, implying that governments represent the voice of the people. An agreement of 15 years standing, if suddenly called into question, is indeed a domestic problem of Japan.
The Hague Convention has no application to such a bilateral agreement. Any illegality would stem from the Japanese government's acquiescence to confiscation of land for the purpose of the base and thus would be entirely a domestic matter.
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Laguna
One other point:
This is entirely true, nor is there any obligation for US taxpayers to foot the bill to defend Japan.
The elephant in the room is clearly that some in Japan would like to maintain its defense agreement with the US while gradually reducing its contributions to this agreement. Others would like to end the agreement entirely. Both are valid views; neither are served by being disguised behind anti-American polemics.
To the author of this piece, I would say: direct your criticism towards your own government. Demand clarity and realism. Require that options be spelt out. That is the only way Japan is to progress.
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voiceofokinawa
To ebisen:
ebisen says: "Well, every problem here is more or less directly generated by Japan losing the war."
So ebisen thinks all these problems are the end result of WW II. In other words, the current Japan-U.S. relationship (or alliance) is the one between victor and loser of 66 years ago. If he thinks so, that's a candid admission of why the U.S. military is stationed in Japan: that is, the U.S. forces are here as occupation forces.
But Washington and the USFJ brass say to the contrary: the U.S. service members are stationed here to defend Japan and the Japanese people at the cost of their life. Buying these words at face value, Tokyo has willingly provided more than $30 billion to financially support U.S. bases in Japan since 1978 and will pay to the U.S. $11.35 billion over the next five years despite these difficult times deriving from the unprecedented natural and nuclear disasters.
There are 84 U.S. military bases and facilities all over Japan (33 in Okinawa) as of March 2011 and they are provided to the U.S. forces free of charge. Does ebisen think there's nothing wrong with the system because Japan lost the war?
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Okinawamike
The bulldozers will roll, the people will move.
And what people would this be? Try loading Google Earth and taking a look at the area in question and show me one house this move would take.
N26, 31' 42.24" E128, 02' 54.24"
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Christina O'Neill
The Japanese and US goverment negotiated the relocation and both goverments came to an agreement.I suppose the local populations views were taken into consideration at that time, if this was not so, then I guess its a case of Euston, "We have a problem"
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yasukuni
Mr Shimoji, If Japan wants all of the bases out of Japan they can do so. Your problem is not with the US it's with Tokyo.
Anyway, if Futenma is so bad, why do people live there?
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Serrano
Doesn't Japan have more pressing problems right now than some noise from a military base run by the folks that have kept Japan out of trouble for over 60 years?
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lincolnman
Inaccurate. The bilateral agreement to relocate Futenma predates the 2006 Transformation and Realignment Agreement and reaches back to the SACO accords in the mid 1990s - the US didn't cajole anyone - both sides agreed on the relocation.
Hyperbole. This issue has been ongoing since 1996 and I haven't seen anyone bulldozed yet. Japan signed the 2006 Road Map agreement consenting to relocate Futenma to Henoko and it is the Japanese government's responsibility to comply with the accord. The US has been patiently waiting for some movement for the past 15 years.
More hyperbole and incomplete. What's left unsaid is that a majority of these land owners are happy with the land rent money they receive from the national governmet. Question, how many of these minority land owners that want Futenma moved volunteer to forego their rent money as a means of communicating their discontent? The answer starts with a z and ends in an o.
Incomplete and historically inaccurate. Ever since the mid 1990s, there have been a whole series of studies that have analyzed every available option. In 2004, a floating island much like Kansai International Airport was even studied. All of these were deemed too expensive or operationally unsafe.
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CrazyJoe
Shimoji Yoshio (professor emeritus of the University of the Ryukyus) is entitled to his opinon but not the facts.
Actually, things were moving quite smoothly under the Liberal Democrats, then DSP's Hatoyama came to power by lying to the people (Manifesto) and wrecked everything. The United States military forces must remain in Japan including Okinawa.
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voiceofokinawa
lincolnman:
Well, well. We are meeting each other again. But salutations aside, let's get down to the old grindstone.
Who paid "the land rent money" before the reversion of Okinawa to Japan? The U.S. government, of course. But the rent was so small that an Okinawa-wide commotion almost to the extent of rioting occurred, demanding for the raise of the rent money and for payments by installment rather than lump-sum payments. Okinawa residents all feared at the time, or more specifically in 1956, that if payments were made by a lump-sum plan, it meant selling out all the land at a bargain price.
Therefore, military-landowners owe much to their fellow Okinawans for their being able to receive reasonable amounts of money today. Even the Tokyo government must thank us for the fact that those U.S. military bases are not foreign territories on Japanese soil (although, by nature, they are due to extraterritorial rights guaranteed by the Japan-U.S. Security Treaty).
Now after the reversion, Tokyo took over the responsibility for paying the rent money and raised it manifold, obviously to please the landowners as well as Washington. The Japanese government pays the rent money all right, but where does this money come from? From the Japanese taxpayers including us Okinawans.
Yes, there are quite a number of landowners who feel uneasy about how the Futenma issue will wind down. Their anxiety is quite understandable. But they shouldn't worry. Take a look at the Naha Shintoshin business and residential district that used to be a sprawling U.S. military housing area. Today, the area is the most thriving business district with land prices higher than ever.
A final word. Don't call another person anti-American. That's a scathing word tantamount to "red" or "communist" used in the McCarthy era.
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ebisen
to voiceokokinawa
Absolutely Yes. Everything started with that, and the later relationship between Japan and USA did not changed much in this aspect. Politicians Blah Blah does not count,even a little bit. Not seeing this means someone needs to open their eyes. Alternative to the current situation would have been that the entire Japan would speak Russian and/or be a part of the ex-USSR now. YOU voiceofokinawa, wouldn't like that, would you? I know this from personal experience, coming from behind the Iron Curtain.
Like I said, if one does not like losing wars, one should not start any. It's nasty, but sometimes the truth must be thrown to some people's faces...
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ebisen
to voiceofokinawa
Absolutely nothing wrong.
If you want wrong, look at all the countries from Easter Europe, losing not only money but millions of people to russian communism after losing the war and being incorporated in the soviets. Japan got away easy (I'm strictly talking about the situation after the war, not about the war deaths, far too many on the Japan's side as well). Instead of being thankful for this turn of history, people still complain, always the victims... Open your eyes and look around this world to see how others got.
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Jared Norman
i join the armed forces to defend democracy and freedom not to be part of racist dictatorship to an innocent and peaceful minority group this base must close.
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voiceofokinawa
To ebisen:
Thanks for your candid postings. I assume there are many U.S. service members around who completely agree with you -- that is, the U.S. forces are here as occupation forces to primarily defend what they won by war. If so, then Washington and the USFJ brass are bamboozling the Japanese people into believing that the U.S. forces are here to defend Japan and the Japanese people at all costs. Believing that to be absolutely true, the Japanese people will pay a large sum of money called the "sympathy budget," $11.35 billion over the next five years, to support and maintain those 84 U.S. bases.
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sfjp330
Iraq war is winding down and U.S. will plan a aggressive containment strategy on China and Pacific region, and they will dictate to Japan exactly what the need to do to meet their objectives. Japan goverment and people of Okinawa will find out they very little options. U.S. will give perception of being flexible, but times has changed and with the weak goverment of Japan, they will comply with most of the demands.
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ebisen
Voiceofokinawa
I'm not sure what you mean... After the quake the US forces did a very good job at helping and cleaning, basically free of charge. I still remember that old Japanese lady, who after having her first bath in two weeks at an American facility in Sendai, complained about the US presence in Japan.
I'm sure that if given the chance, they would do a fair job at protecting Japan from intruding neighbours. Let's hope they are not given that chance. It's a give and take relationship, and both parties must compromise a bit. At least the whole of Okinawa is not a USA territory any longer.
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sfjp330
voiceofokinawaOct. 04, 2011 - 08:01AM JST. Believing that to be absolutely true, the Japanese people will pay a large sum of money called the "sympathy budget," $11.35 billion over the next five years, to support and maintain those 84 U.S. bases.
Then what do you want Japan to do? Japan currently pays 1 percent of the GDP into defense. Just think, if U.S. military leaves Japan entirely and Japan assumes the full responsibility of defending their country, the defense cost will rise staggering 10 percent a year for many decades. Could Japan afford staggering increase? The taxpayer in U.S. will be very happy if U.S. left. This will save tons of money for U.S. taxpayers.
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voiceofokinawa
Look. Futenma is one of the 33 bases in Okinawa. What's the problem with moving just one base outside of Okinawa? Of course, moving it to the U.S. mainland means the closing of the Marines' other training facilities such as the Central and Northern Training Areas because they must be integral parts of the Marines' overall facilities together with Futenma. But Washington can easily find their replacements (as traning bases) in the vastness of the U.S. mainland. Even so, 30 bases will still remain in Okinawa. These bases must also leave someday, but certainly not tomorrow. The U.S. must not think that it can plant its bases on foreign soil for free for an unlimited period of time or eternally.
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Gurukun
That's what I'm sayin!! Great post!!
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okimike67
Oh, the blissful smell of youth, inexperience and ignorance (I so hope and pray this is the case!!!). VoO & Gurukun; guarantee you will be the first one in line with your plate held out for your US rations GOD FORBID something bad should happen like NK or China do something more than saber rattle.
Are you really that naïve? (rhetorical question!) Look at the brave 9 people that risked their lives to escape one of the most, if not THE most, dictatorial regimes in the world. One that I might add just mere months ago lobbed missiles at and over Japan. China; new stealth technology, fighters, aircraft carriers, money, money, money. Oh, and don’t forget money and a STRONG desire to expand their influence on the world. This is what you desire?
The reason Japan is deemed relatively safe is in PART to the presence of the US Military and the US Japan Security Agreement. To squabble over the acts of more than 60 years ago, why this and maybe that is a real waste of time. Focus on the clear and present (danger). It was not too many years ago that the Okinawan (including Nago) made a clear statement about the strong support of this realignment. It takes time to make these moves (mostly to appease all the fanatical R&L wings) but they were all legally made and agreed to, for the greater good.
Oh, and don’t forget that Shimoji and Ota are rather chummy. And didn’t Ota (after his ouster) visit our friend Kim Jung Ill????? Hmm… shall we size you up for a nice msart uniform and a Mao hat??
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sfjp330
voiceofokinawaOct. 04, 2011 - 11:29AM JST Look. Futenma is one of the 33 bases in Okinawa. What's the problem with moving just one base outside of Okinawa?
There are 33 bases in Okinawa, but only 11 runways with 6500 ft or longer to accomadate larger planes and one of them is Futenma's wide 200 feet runway. U.S. provide the J-government with a credible deterrence force, a highly effective, highly trained and very mobile force that is very strategically located. The stability of the region has been caused by U.S. presence here. Over 50 years now there's been relative peace in the Asia region. Futenma have not had an accident since 2004 and there were no accidents at all that I know of prior to that or since then. As far as safety goes, the pilots do a number of things. Helicopters come in at more steep angles and climb out at more steep rates, which gives more distance between them and the urban terrain and decreases the noise levels.
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Gurukun
okimike? Putting the "All the bases off Okinawa issue" aside, and regardless of what you state, I still don't see one base taken off the long list of bases on Okinawa causing devestation of mankind as we know it. Did you read the title of the article? And you mention "ingnorance?"
I'm sure NKorea and China are just itching to attack when and if and when Futenma closes.
Hey, wait a minute, did you say those misslies were lobbed over Japan? I just looked at a map too. Guess what? NKorea is closer to Japan than Okinawa? Hmmmmmm
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voiceofokinawa
To sfjp330:
You say: "There are 33 bases in Okinawa, but only 11 runways with 6500 ft or longer to accomadate [accomodate] larger planes and one of them is Futenma's wide 200 feet runway."
Where do these numbers come from? Do you mean those are the total number of runways the U.S. military keeps all over Japan? Twelve (12), Futenma included. Don't you think that's an abnormal figure? How many foreign air bases are there in the United States? None, of course.
Can you imagine a situation when a foreign air base exists in U.S. soil at all? A single foreign military runway is one too many, but there are 11 in all in Japan! This is really an absurd situation which you and your ilk take for granted but which I call quasi-occupation that has continued since even after Japan gained independence in 1952.
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sfjp330
voiceofokinawaOct. 05, 2011 - 08:42AM JST. This is really an absurd situation which you and your ilk take for granted but which I call quasi-occupation that has continued since even after Japan gained independence in 1952.
Is it really absurb or maybe Japan has no choice? Why don't Japan declare independence of U.S. forces from Subic and Clark like what Philippines declared in the early 90's? Can Japan afford to defend the entire country on it's own? You can always trash the article 9 anytime. I said earlier, this would save tons of taxpayer money to U.S. taxpayer. Japan does not deserve U.S. protection with the attitude of their people.
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societymike
wth.... this "article" is 90% a copy/paste from a very inaccurate and incomplete Wiki page.
While I agree that Futenma should be closed and not relocated, there is way too much inaccuracy in the article. It mentions "33 bases" in Okinawa, in reality, there are technically only about 7 bases. The rest are TINY little portions of property big enough to mount a radio or radar tower, in some cases, a simple power generator. We are talking a portion of land as big as a house.
Furthermore, the quote of the "land stolen from the locals, bla bla Hauge convention" is a weak argument since Futenma was a captured japanese air base before it was converted to the marine base.
Again, I agree witht he fact that the vast majority of Okinawans really want and need Futenma to be closed, and not be partially relocated to Nago, but this article has far too many spins on the truth without enough actual facts to be taken seriously.
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voiceofokinawa
To sfjp 330:
I think the current situation involving the U.S. military presence in Japan (Okinawa in particular)is really absurd, but you insist Japan has no choice. I firmly believe that Japan is still a half-independent state despite the 1952 San Francisco Peace Treaty by which Japan was supposed to have recovered its full sovereignty.
But that "independence" was a shenanigan because on that same day Japan was obliged, in return for its independence, to sign the Japan-U.S. Security Treaty which guaranteed the continued presence of the U.S. forces. The SACO agreement, a supplementary to the security treaty, further guarantees the extraterritorial status of U.S. bases, puttng U.S. service members beyond the jurisdiction of the Japanese law. In other words, the hitherto occupation forces of the United States became defender forces for Japan overnight. That was a skillful diplomatic stratagem, indeed.
Your argument that "Japan has no choice" means that Japan has no choice but being a vassal state of the great United States. But you must know the danger of such situation. Who knows, someday, this pressurized situation may explode beyond anyone's control. You cannot keep the grassroots people's pent-up feeling in a pressure cooker forever.
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JapanGal
I think the Americans should stay, or the unemployment down in Okinawa will go double digits, and it is already the most poor place in Japan.
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CalvinMontblanc
Societymike, you must be thinking of Kadena. Futenma was built by the U.S. military over parts of several villages and completely over the village of Kamiyama. There was no base or airfield there previously.
And before your subconcious screams "Americans wouldn't do that!", they did, and worse. Some land was literally taken at bayonet point and beating people up. And making the claim that the Russians would have been even more brutal is not much consolation, so spare us everybody.
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lincolnman
I would like to politely offer my thoughts,
As societymike and sfjp 330 point out, there are not 33 bases in Okinawa, there are 33 US sole use facilities and a reas as specified in the US Japan Security Treaty. Most everyone knows the major bases, Kadena, Futenma, Foster, Kinser, etc. The others are much smaller, most being no larger than 1 meter square, hosting a NAVAID or a POL junction box. And as a matter of comparison, there are 52 US sole use facilities on mainland Japan.
Saying that US military affiliated members are beyond host government jurisdiction is false. Any US affiliated member who conducts a crime off-base while not on duty is subject to prosecution by Japanese authorities. Not convinced? Call the GOJ Prison in Yokosuka City and ask to speak to a SOFA inmate.
Anyone who references in their post that the US occupies Okinawa brings their objectivity into question. Anytime the Japanese government decides to abrogate the Security Treaty, the US would pick up and leave. I can tell you that given the GOJ central government assessment of the strategic environment in Asia and potential threats, there is little chance of that occurring. If you think the central government geo-strategic assessment is wrong, tell them, not the US.
What is missing in this discussion and most others like it is that relocating Futenma to Henoko would result in the closing and return to Okinawa of large US bases like Camps Kinser, Foster, Lester and Futenma, and the move of 8000 Marines and their families to Guam. That would make a real, major reduction in the US military presence on Okinawa, so one has to ask the question, why does the author and others like him continue to oppose this?
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CalvinMontblanc
And so, people who were not even born yet should pay the price. Nice ebisen.
NetNinja, tell it to Poland. Japan has not started anything in over 65 years. Yet people who had nothing to do with what happened 65 years ago still have a U.S. military base sitting on their land.
I agree with Shimoji. The U.S. military needs to go. The U.S. should stop pressuring Tokyo, and Tokyo should stop foisting the burden on Okinawa. Both Tokyo and Washington are jointly responsible for the situation and criticism can be fairly leveled at both.
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CalvinMontblanc
That's it lincolnman? No reference or apology for your disappeared post falsely accusing the author of holding opinions he never expressed?
But of course, you probably feel that would weaken your position, you know,... admitting fault.
And you go on to point out the true number of actual bases? Yes, I think you are correct. But that little bit of false information is really nothing to how your side presents false information. See my post refering to Kadena. Note your own post putting words in the author's mouth.
Only one entity can truly have juristiction, and that entity is the U.S. military. Just because they throw the Japanese a bone does not mean the Japanese have juristiction. They don't. Since the rape of the 12 year old in 95, U.S. servicemen may be turned over for crimes, but there are condtions to that, such as the severity of the crime. The Japanese don't have juristiction. They get consideration, and its not the same thing.
It might be a relatively benign occupation, but that does change the fact the U.S. military has been here uninterupted since conquering Japan and the U.S. government tends to get its way with regards to its military being here. There is the way things are written on paper and then there is the actual situation. In fact its your objectivity that is called into question if you think its out of the question to term having several military bases in a foreign country an occupation, especially since quite a few people don't want them. Never mind Tokyo. They don't much care what the people of Okinawa think, and you could even call Tokyo the secondary occupier of Okinawa. Okinawa was conquered by them in 1872 before America came along.
Oppose what? I think all U.S. military can leave Japan. No need to leave anything behind. Their presence in South Korea is enough for the region if they are necessary at all. Its not like any American soldier ever died in defense of Japan is it? Oh, you might consider the bases a deterrent, but from who? North Korea? They are in check from South Korea. The Soviet threat is dead and the Russians are not carrying on the tradition. China? They are partially checked by Taiwan. And they don't even have the ships to make attacking Japan even have a point. Plus they have not attacked anyone in a very long time and even then it was relatively minor and over long standing territory conflicts. Its not China that has bases all over the world. Its America. China could go every which way. But they don't.
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lincolnman
Hello Calvinmontblanc
Thank you for your sharing your opinion and views. I would just offer the following.
I am not sure what you mean by my side, I merely express my own personal opinion and do not presume to be representing anyone except myself. And I hardly put any words in the authors mouth. Thank you, though, for acknowledging that you were in error and my data was correct.
Interesting opinion but contrary to the facts. If a crime is committed off-base by a SOFA affiliated member in non-duty status, the Japanese have primary jurisdiction and may prosecute. Whether the police are able to gather sufficient evidence, and whether the Public Prosecutor decides to indict and bring the member to trial is solely a GOJ decision.
Again, an interesting opinion but not relevant. Okinawa is a part of Japan and the national government sets foreign policy and national security. The US military is in Japan at the request of the Japanese government as outlined in the Security Treaty. Do not like that? Vote for a representative that shares your view. Have them advocate your position. Throwing emotionally charged language like occupation and conquer may make you feel better, but it will not change anything.
All interesting views but not shared by Japan's elected leaders. They see a rising, more confident, aggressive China that intends to extend it influence into the mineral rich Senkaku area and perhaps beyond. They see a failed nation state in Korea with ballistic missiles and chemical/biological weapons that is trying to sustain a very tricky dynastic power transition. They see Russia which has for the past several years increased its submarine and bomber patrols along the Japanese coastline with regular incursions into Japanese airspace.
Not criticizing your views, just saying they are not shared by the governments current leadership. Thats who you have to influence if you want the change you desire.
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voiceofokinawa
Correction:
Yaedake Communications Station (37,000㎡)
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voiceofokinawa
Further correction:
... there are several vast sea areas and air space that are designated for exclusive use by the U.S. Air Force and the Marines.
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voiceofokinawa
As for SOFA (the Status of Forces Agreement):
First of all, I must direct your attention to the fact that this bilateral agreement is not like the one signed between two nations on an equal footing, like the U.S. and Great Britain.
The SOFA stipulates that the Japanese police cannot arrest a suspected U.S. serviceman until he is OFFICIALLY INDICTED. The suspected U.S. serviceman, meanwhile, may escape a possible arrest by the Japanese police while under investigation or no investigation at all because of complicated legal barriers standing between the U.S. military bases and the civilian sector.
You should know how many such cases occurred in the past and how many Okinawan victims had to eat dirt in humiliation.
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voiceofokinawa
(Re-submitted after some offensive wording corrected.)
To CalvinMontblanc:
My thanks know no bounds for your encouraging posts.
To lincolnman:
As for the "33 bases" I mentioned in my post that you criticise as inaccurate and hyperbole, I used the data published by Japan Ministry of Defense. Maybe, I should have used a more generic word "facilities" rather than "bases" if that had confused you, societymike and sfjp 330. That misuse of the term was my fault.
Now, Lincolnman mentions that except for major bases such as Kadena, Futenma, Foster, Kinser, etc., many "are much smaller, most being no larger than 1 meter square, hosting a NAVAID or a POL junction box."
Let me be specific. There are 7 U.S. military facilities in Okinawa which one may call small. To list: Yaedake Communications Station (37,000 ㎡), Tokeshi Communications Station (10,000㎡), Red Beach Training Area (17,000㎡), Torishima Firing Range in Kumejima-Cho (41,000㎡), Kumejima Firing Range (2,000㎡), Tsukenjima Training Area (16,000 ㎡) and Akaosho Firing Range in the Senkakus (41,000㎡). Those are the smallest of 33 U.S. military facilities in Okinawa. The larger facilities with areas exceeding 1,000,000㎡ count 13. The other 10 facilities range in area from 700,000㎡ (Camp Seals) to 245,000㎡ (Idesunajima Firing Range). There is no facility with the size "no larger than 1 meter square" as far as the JMD data are concerned.
Thus, lincolnman is distorting the hard fact and trying to paint a rosy picture of this excessive U.S. military presence in Okinawa or Japan as a whole.
And let me finally point out that 33 is actually an inaccurate number because there are several vast offshore sea areas and air space that are designated as exclusive zones for use by the Marines and the Air Force.
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voiceofokinawa
Further correction of numbers.
To lincolnman:
As for the "33 bases" I mentioned in my post that you criticise as inaccurate and hyperbole, I used the data published by Japan Ministry of Defense. Maybe, I should have used a more generic word "facilities" rather than "bases" if that had confused you, societymike and sfjp 330. That misuse of the term was my fault.
Now, Lincolnman mentions that except for major bases such as Kadena, Futenma, Foster, Kinser, etc., many "are much smaller, most being no larger than 1 meter square, hosting a NAVAID or a POL junction box."
Let me be specific. There are 8 (corrected) U.S. military facilities in Okinawa which one may call small. To list: Yaedake Communications Station (37,000 ㎡), Tokeshi Communications Station (10,000㎡), Red Beach Training Area (17,000㎡), Tengan Piers (31,000㎡) (newly inserted), Torishima Firing Range in Kumejima-Cho (41,000㎡), Kumejima Firing Range (2,000㎡), Tsukenjima Training Area (16,000 ㎡) and Akaosho Firing Range in the Senkakus (41,000㎡).
Those are the smallest of 33 U.S. military facilities in Okinawa. The larger facilities with areas exceeding 1,000,000㎡ count 14 (corrected). The other 11 (corrected) facilities range in area from 700,000㎡ (Camp Seals) to 245,000㎡ (Idesunajima Firing Range). The total areas then add up to 232,471,000㎡. There is no facility with the size "no larger than 1 meter square" as far as the JMD data are concerned.
Thus, lincolnman is distorting the hard fact and trying to paint a rosy picture of this excessive U.S. military presence in Okinawa or Japan as a whole.
And let me finally point out that 33 is actually not an accurate number because there are 11 large offshore sea areas reserved for the Marines and 6 vast ranges of air space for the Air Force for their exclusive use.
So you can understand now why I say Okinawa is still under U.S. militay occupation, an absurd sittuation indeed. Can lincolnman deny this?
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lincolnman
Dear Voiceofokinawa,
Factually incorrect. The Japanese police can arrest any US military affiliated member at any time. For those members already in the custody of US authorities, custody continues to reside with the US, however, the US is obligated to make the suspect available for all questioning by GOJ authorities. Additionally, in 2003, the SOFA was amended to allow the GOJ to request pre-indictment transfer of custody in serious cases. The US has approved every case when requested by the GOJ since this revision.
Factually incorrect. The major US facilities on Okinawa are; Kadena, Foster/Butler, Kinser, Futenma, Naha Military port, Courtney, Tengan Pier, Hansen, Torii Station, Schwab, Central/Northern Training Area, and Ie Shima Aux Airfield. Other locations are smaller with some being approximately 1 meter square. Look along Chatan-cho and you will see them.
Factually incorrect. Joint training areas, whether in the air or on the sea, are not considered US sole use areas as defined under the Security Treaty, as they are training areas for both US and JSDF forces. Related to this issue however, a large piece of airspace in Central Japan was returned to GOJ civilian control as part of the 2006 Road Map Agreement. This is the same agreement that you and the author oppose that would return Kinser, Lester, Foster and Futenma back to the local Okinawa government.
Yes, very easily. Through your elected representative, have your government declare the US Japan Security Treaty null and void. If the US refuses to leave and remains in Okinawa, then I would agree with your description as an occupation. Until then, any reference to occupation is hyperbole, an exaggeration and inconsistent with reality.
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voiceofokinawa
lincolnman:
It's true that the Japanese police cannot arrest a suspected U.S. service member, especially when he or she is on duty, until he or she is OFFICIALLY INDICTED. Section 5 (C) of Article 17 of SOFA stipulates:
"The custody of an accused member of the United States armed forces or the civilian component over whom Japan is to exercise jurisdiction shall, if he is in the hands of the United States, remain with the United States until he (is) charged by Japan."
When a CH-53D helicopter crashed on the campus of Okinawa International University on August 13, 2004, the crash site was freely cordoned off by the Marines before the Japanese police and the fire squad could do anything. Did the Japanese police question, or were they allowed to question, the helicopter pilot and investigate the cause of the accident?
As for my listing of bases and facilities together with their concrete sizes, you say my description is factually incorrect. You can compare the figures in the JMD data and determine which are large, medium or small. That's what I did, but you say my sorting was "factually incorrect," lecturing me that such and such facilities are said to be in the "major" category. But your statement to the effect that "other locations are smaller with some being approximately 1 meter square" is again utterly wrong and nonsensical. What does "1 square meter" mean?
I wrote: "Thus, lincolnman is distorting the hard fact and trying to paint a rosy picture of this excessive U.S. military presence in Okinawa or Japan as a whole. And let me finally point out that 33 is actually an inaccurate number because there are several vast offshore sea areas and air space that are designated as exclusive zones for use by the Marines and the Air Force."
Again, lincolnman asserts my description of the situation is "factually incorrect" as if he were the authority of everything. Or is he? The SDAF may jointly use the designated air space (Hotel Hotel, Mike Mike, Golf Golf, India India, Northern and Southern Okinawa Ranges) but they've been essentially USAF prerogatives.
P.S. I will be away from home for sometime, so I may not be able to respond to any criticism soon.
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lincolnman
Dear Voiceofokinawa
Factually incorrect. You have a fundmamental misunderstanding of these terms. Arrest occurs when a warrant is issued by a judge - the member does not have to be in custody at the time the arrest warrant is issued. Custody is who actually has control of the suspect - and is determined by who arrives at the scene of the crime first. US arrives first, US retains custody, Japanese Police arrive first, Japanese retain custody. An indictment is issued when a prosecutor determines there is sufficient compelling evidence to proceed to trial. And you left out of your quote above the 2003 revision which permits the GOJ to request pre-indictmet transfer of custody.
All the crew members required immediate medical attention and were taken to the US Hospital at Lester, the closest medcial facility. I assume you would deny these members medical care until they underwent questioning by Japanese authorities? Additionally, this incident was classified as official duty related, and under the SOFA, the US retains primary jurisdiction. Don't like that? Tell your elected representative you want it changed.
It means a space with a size of 1 meter X 1 meter. For further info, please consult a math textbook.
Again, you fail to use correct terminolgy and therefore your assertions are factually flawed. You assert that the number of US sole use facilities as outlined in the SOFA and Security Treaty on Okinawa is more than 33 - that is factually incorrect - as verified by the MOD website you reference.
Enjoy your trip.
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voiceofokinawa
Why do I think Okinawa (and Japan in general) is still under substantial U.S. military occupation although on the surface it appears not because the U.S. military presence is formally sanctioned by a bilateral treaty? I've already stated the reason why in my previous posts but lincolnman refuses to accept it.
True, as a layman on legal maters I may have used the word "arrest" interchangeably with "custody." But if I were simply to replace "arrest" by the expression "take into custody," would the reality change? Doesn't lincolnman think it's absurd that the Japanese police cannot take a suspected U.S. service member into custody if he or she was "in the hands of the United States" or somehow prowled freely in the confines of military bases? And that too often happen. Think about a similar situation on U.S. soil.
Traffic accidents off bases involving U.S. service members occur frequently. In such cases, you say either the Japanese side or the U.S. that comes to the scene first retains the right to take a suspected member into custody. But why in the world is it possible that the U.S. side can come to the scene first before the Japanese police?
The CH-53D helicopter crash in 2004 and the crash landing of a Kadena Aviation Club-possessed small plane in a Nago sugarcane field in 2008, clearly attest to the fact that Okinawa (or Japan in general) is still under substantial U.S. military occupation. The scenes were cordoned off by the U.S. military freely and the wreckage was all carried away while the Japanese police stood idle.
And never forget the existence of those 33 bases and areas in OKINAWA (official list). lincolnman asserts that except for 14 major facilities (Kadena, Foster/Butler, Kinser, Futenma, Naha Military port, Courtney, Tengan Pier, Hansen, Torii Station, Schwab, Central/Northern Training Area, and Ie Shima Aux Airfield), 19 others are "much smaller, most being no larger than 1 meter square, hosting a NAVAID or a POL junction box."
Of the 8 smallest group of facilities that I sorted, the much smallest one is Kumajima Firing Range off Kumajima, which has the area of 1,000 square meters, way far from the size of a police junction box. The U.S. military bases and facilities occupy 19% of the land mass of Okinawa Island, an incredible size when compared with the situation in Oahu Island, Hawaii. Add to this the vast exclusive use areas of coastal waters where commercial fishing and sea farming are prohibited -- and the vast air space around the island exclusively reserved for the USAF.
No one, except lincolnman, can deny that Okinawa is substantially under U.S. military occupation even 66 years after it was invaded and occupied by the U.S. forces in 1945. No doubt, Okinawa is a U.S. military colony as many pundits assert.
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voiceofokinawa
(Figures corrected and added.)
Why do I think Okinawa (and Japan in general) is still under substantial U.S. military occupation although on the surface it appears not because the U.S. military presence is formally sanctioned by a bilateral treaty? I've already stated the reason why in my previous posts but lincolnman refuses to accept it, saying my numbers are factually incorrect and description a hyperbole.
True, as a layman on legal maters I may have used the word "arrest" interchangeably with "custody." But if I were simply to replace "arrest" by the expression "take into custody," would the reality change? Doesn't lincolnman think it's absurd that the Japanese police cannot take a suspected U.S. service member into custody if he or she was "in the hands of the United States" or somehow prowled freely in the confines of military bases? And that too often happens. Think about a similar situation on U.S. soil.
Traffic accidents off bases involving U.S. service members occur frequently. In such cases, you say either the Japanese side or the U.S. that comes to the scene first retains the right to take a suspected member into custody. But why in the world is it possible that the U.S. side can come to the scene first before the Japanese police?
The CH-53D helicopter crash in 2004 and the crash landing of a Kadena Aviation Club-possessed small plane in a Nago sugarcane field in 2008, clearly attest to the fact that Okinawa (or Japan in general) is still under substantial U.S. military occupation. The scenes were cordoned off by the U.S. military freely and the wreckage was all carried away while the Japanese police stood idle.
And never forget the existence of those 33 bases and areas in OKINAWA (official list). lincolnman asserts that except for 14 major facilities (Kadena, Foster/Butler, Kinser, Futenma, Naha Military port, Courtney, Tengan Pier, Hansen, Torii Station, Schwab, Central/Northern Training Area, and Ie Shima Aux Airfield), 19 others are "much smaller, most being no larger than 1 meter square, hosting a NAVAID or a POL junction box."
Of the 8 smallest group of facilities that I sorted, the much smallest one is Kumejima Firing Range off Kumejima, which has the area of 2,000 ㎡, way far from the size of a police junction box. The U.S. military bases and facilities occupy 19% of the land mass of Okinawa Island (total area on Okinawa Island alone: 222,105,000 ㎡), an incredible size when compared with the situation in Oahu Island, Hawaii, which probably hosts less than 2%. Add to this the vast exclusive-use areas of coastal waters where commercial fishing and sea farming are prohibited -- and on top of that the vast air space around the island exclusively reserved for the USAF.
No one, except lincolnman, can deny that Okinawa is substantially under U.S. military occupation even 66 years after it was invaded and occupied by the U.S. forces in 1945. No doubt, Okinawa is a U.S. military colony as many pundits assert.
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voiceofokinawa
Further correction of figures:
The figure 222,105,000 ㎡ in the second to the last paragraph should be: 220,958,000 ㎡.
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voiceofokinawa
Correction of figures again:
The figure 220,958,000 ㎡ (originally 222,105,000 ㎡) in the second to the last paragraph should be: 222,089,000 ㎡
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voiceofokinawa
Addition of a figure:
Add the figure 30,900 ㎡ in the parentheses after 2% in the 2nd sentence in the second to the last paragrapah, thus:
"Of the 8 smallest group of facilities that I sorted, the much smallest one is Kumejima Firing Range off Kumejima, which has the area of 2,000 ㎡, way far from the size of a police junction box. The U.S. military bases and facilities occupy 19% of the land mass of Okinawa Island (total area on Okinawa Island alone: 222,089,000 ㎡), an incredible size when compared with the situation in Oahu Island, Hawaii, which probably hosts less than 2% (30,900 ㎡). Add to this the vast exclusive-use areas of coastal waters where commercial fishing and sea farming are prohibited -- and on top of that the vast air space around the island exclusively reserved for the USAF."
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lincolnman
Voiceofokinawa
Well, I always look forward to our discussions because they follow a very predictable pattern. You make an inaccurate claim, I point out your error, and you then make another inaccurate claim, usually more extreme than the previous one, etc., etc.. I know when your comments get too extreme, it's time to end the discussion.
If you think that I am the only person alive (or dead) that thinks that Okinawa is not occupied by the US military and is a US colony, then it is time to end the discussion. The next time your Prime Minister, or any other GOJ national figure, or even Gov Nakaima get within shouting distance, ask them if they think Okinawa is under US military occupation. Please post the answer here so we all can see.
You rail against the US, yet fail to understand (or perhaps do not want to understand), that to change the situation you so decry, you must advocate and convince your elected leaders to revise or abrogate the US-Japan Security Treaty. Do that, and all your problems go away. Yet your energy and invective is reserved for anonymous forms like this - that have absolutely no impact on what you so desire to change.
Cervantes used a phrase in his works; "tilting at windmills" - I would recommend you research it.
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voiceofokinawa
You are not properly responding to my argument against you. All you are doing is simply carping at trifles. You then suggest that I ask a "Prime Minister, or any other GOJ national figure, or even Gov Nakaima ... if they think Okinawa is under US military occupation." Of course, their answer will be "nay" without any doubt because formally those bases and areas are offered to the U.S. under the Japan-U.S. Mutual Security Treaty; they aren't the spoils the U.S. obtained by winning WW II; and so Okinawa isn't under U.S. military occupation.
But look. I'm not talking about the formal state of affairs but rather about the substance or essential nature of the state of affairs that Okinawa has been forced under for the past 66 years since the end of WW II.
If you think the data I presented to you aren't sufficient enough to convince you, then I recommend you to visit the Ginowan City Home Page (http://www3.pref.okinawa.jp/site/view/contview.jsp?cateid-14-21830&page=1) and examine KICHI NO GAIYO ("Summery of Bases"), a report published in March 2009 by the Ginowan City Military Base Affairs Division.
This is an enormous collection of data gathered mostly from the data published by JMOD Okinawa Bureau. By perusing the pages of the report, you will never fail to understand the true nature of the U.S. military presence in Okinawa. Certainly, you cannot help but conclude that Okinawa is nothing but a U.S. military colony.
To anyone lacking compassion toward the suffering of other people, the data presented in the report may not be worthy of giving any attention to. I sincerely hope that you are not one of such people.
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voiceofokinawa
Is one more phrase too many?
You conclude your post (Oct. 11, 2011 - 05:31PM JST ) by saying, "Cervantes used a phrase in his works; "tilting at windmills" - I would recommend you research it."
You mean I shouldn't challenge a juggernaut or a windmill because the outcome of the game is already determined because of the mismatch of game players? The great U.S. vs. tiny Okinawa?
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voiceofokinawa
Addenda:
The blogger lincolnman reminds me of Richard P. Lawless, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Asian and Pacific Affairs from 2002-2007, now President and CEO of Richard Lawless and Associates. He is not Lawless, of course. While serving at the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD), Lawless "conceptualized, planned, developed and executed U.S. Department of Defense national security policy in the Greater Asia region" (Introduction by NSR). Lawless once said that the U.S. would never return Futenma Air Station whatever Okinawa might say.
Okinawa is thus challenging a juggernaut, a gigantic Washington establishment, and trying to win over them. So lincolnman may be right in saying that the game is a mismatch between a giant and a small man, for it's like Don Quixote battling against windmills. But, who knows, it may turn out to be a battle between Goliath and David. Okinawa will continue to demand the return of the base and also the reduction of this absurdly excessive U.S. military footprint.
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lincolnman
Voiceofokinawa
If you had researched the phrase; "tilting at windmills" as I suggested, you would have discovered its true meaning.
To you, the windmills are the US, however the real monster is your own government which supports the Security Treaty and allows the US bases to remain.... Tilting at the US may give you self-satisfaction, but does absolutely nothing to impact what you desire to change.
And as has been said many times before, anyone who opposes the 2006 Roadmap Agreement that would close four major US facilities along Hwy 58 and move 8000 Marines and their families to Guam, yet say they want to rid the island of US bases is a hypocrite and cares nothing for their fellow Okinawa citizens. It is the "tilting at windmills" that they covet, for they know that any real, meaningful reduction in the US military presence on Okinawa would burst their own self-perception of how special and "elite" they are.....
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voiceofokinawa
So you want to turn the issue back to the starting point. The Japan-U.S. Roadmap for Realignment Implementation that was agreed upon at the two plus two meeting in May 2006 stipulates that in exchange of the total return of 5 facilities (Futenma, Camp Kuwae, Makiminato Service Area, Naha Port, Army POL Depot Kuwae Tank Farm No. 1) a new facility for Futenma must be built at Henoko, Nago City. There is one facility, Camp Zukeran, that is subject to partial return.
Japan must build their replacements all within Okinawa. In the case of Futenma, its replacement with V-shaped runways will be built at Henoko, Nago City, as mentioned above. As for Naha Port, its replacement must be newly built at Urasoe. As for the other 4 facilities, details were to be negotiated by 2007, but they must be built within Okinawa anyway. Some facilities may be consolidated with existing ones but nobody knows the details as yet. If consolidation is not possible at all as the Futenma-to-Kadena consolidation plan showed, the Japanese side must find new locations for them within Okinawa.
The return of Naha Port was promised many years before the Futenma issue took place, but like Futenma its return didn't materialize because the Japanese side has been unable to build its replacement in Urasoe.
Thus, the promise of complete return of those 5 facilities has traps. Futenma is the most typical example of all. Its return is string-attached and so are the others. And who will pay all the bills for building new facilities and recovering old sites to the status quo ante?
Now, as for the relocation of 8,000 Marines to Guam, the Japanese side must shoulder $6.09 for infrastructure development costs, reported to be more than 70% of the total cost. Here, too, we see the situation where there is a hard string attached to it.
We think "MCAS Futenma: Total return" as stipulated in the 2006 Roadmap is not a return in the true sense of the word. As a matter of fact, it's a shenanigan. Futenma must be returned immediately with no string attached. The U.S. violated an international law when its military freely encroached upon private lands and built the base. Then, on what legal and moral basis can the U.S. demand Futenma's replacement?
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voiceofokinawa
Correction:
The figure $6.09 in the 2nd to the last paragraph should be: $6.09 billion.
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lincolnman
Voiceofokinawa
Absolutely incorrect and non-factual. Your continual failure to understand and correctly interpret the 2006 Roadmap Agreement highlights your lack of objectivity and credibility. Why would the US want to close 4 major installations and just move them to another location within Okinawa when the overall goal is to reduce the military footprint? No one believes this conspiracy theory. Please, while asking your Governor about the US military occupation, also ask him if all four of these bases are going to be re-located within the prefecture – again, please post here the answer you receive.
Best wishes on your continued "tilting", though like Don Quixote, hopefully you'll be able to find a "Sancho" who can bring you back to reality....
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voiceofokinawa
lincolnman:
You insist that my interpretation of the 2006 Roadmap is "[a]bsolutely incorrect and non-factual." Is it really? If so, you should take up my misinterpretation one by one and convince me why it is so.
Besides, you haven't answered the last question I raised in my last post as yet:
The U.S. violated an international law when its military freely encroached upon private lands and built the base. Then, on what legal and moral basis can the U.S. demand Futenma's replacement?
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voiceofokinawa
I retract my apology. The figures are all correct and precise.
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