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  • -1

    some14some

    In the picture it looks like a smooth sailing...

  • 13

    Tamarama

    If they are currently controlled by Japan, regardless of historical claims other countries might have, the Chinese fishermen are being provocative by fishing there and the Japanese Coast Guard have a right to detain them. If China wants to improve relations they need to avoid turning stuff like this into an international incident and stop supporting people doing the wrong thing.

  • 6

    realmind

    China teaches their people that all the seas in asia belongs to China. And other Asian countries are intruders. Go and fish whereever you want. We will support you with military or rare earths. And that comes also as SELF DEFENCE ONLY propaganda. China has entered Indian Ocean and started making Naval basese in Srilanka, Maldives. They took an Island from Malayasia near Andam Islands of India. You will see soo China claiming Indian Ocean is part of China!!!. If any one object we will use our Navy to protect Made in China Ocean. Google it you find what I am saying true or not. It is very clear that China is heading for an invasion of most of the Asian countires, when they achive enough power.

  • -9

    NetNinja

    Well, this doesn't help anything. Every time \i read an article like this I envision Japan engulfed in a nuclear mushroom cloud as China deals out swift, merciless, indiscriminate death to this country.

    Japan is poking at that dragon and when it raises up it's going to blow fire the likes of which Hiroshima and Nagasaki has never seen.

    My point is this. Leave those people alone. Some guy with a fishing pole and net. Jeez it's Sunday. Men like fishing.

  • -2

    soldave

    realmind - Which island is China making a base on? As far as I know it's not in Alif Alif North or South.

    Also, just curious what the protocol is here. When warnings are given to a foreign vessel, what language are they given in? Not trying to justify anything, but it just brought the question up in my head. If say, a French vessel came into Japanese waters, would the warning to leave be given solely in Japanese, in French, or is there a common lingo used?

  • 3

    Okinawamike

    "My point is this. Leave those people alone. Some guy with a fishing pole and net. Jeez it's Sunday. Men like fishing".

    Really there Netninja? Last time I went out fishing the deep blue, I did not need a 60 foot long boat with nets that caught everything in it's path.

    Do you think if someone came into US waters with means to infringe on the US exclusive economic zone, they would be met with the same restraint as the Japanese used?

  • -1

    Elbuda Mexicano

    Sorry NetNinja, this time you are missing the point, Japan is a US alley, if China touches one hair of Japan it is making a huge, huge mistake of waking up the AMERICANS, who as the Russians etc..all know have enough super power to blow China back into the stone ages, this is why China controls North Korea, using it as a pawn against South Kore, Japan and indirectly against the USA, thank you.

  • 2

    papigiulio

    Yah China wouldnt dare launch one missile at Japan. They WANT to but they cant. thank god because I like it here.

  • 1

    realmind

    Soldvae@ There are many news and article about it. China always hide the truth.. read more news from Indian news papers about China`s plans in the indian ocean.

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/06/17/china-india-rivalry-maldives.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CocoIslands http://www.ipcs.org/articledetails.php?articleNo=2823

  • -2

    marcelito

    How convenient these international incidents seem to pop up at times like these when issues such as increasing taxes, TPP etc are in public,s focus...How nice we can now divert attention onto China....when in doubt and facing tough issues at home - create an international incident to focus the sheep,s attention there...( North Korea,China, Russia - take your pick ladies and gentlemen ) Am i just too skeptical or is it a case of " Wag the dog "anyone?:-)

  • 1

    CrazyJoe

    Goto Islands is part of Nagasaki Prefecture. These ch**** should know better. Will the weak Japanese government release them again? If they try to escape, just gun them down. Why chase for 4 1/2 hours?

  • 0

    ratpack

    Japan-China relations plunged to their lowest level in years in September 2010 when a Chinese trawler rammed two Japanese coastguard patrol boats near disputed islands in the East China Sea, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China.

    Here we go again....Well can't really expect anything different this time around. The next week or so will be very interesting politically wise as China flex their muscles and scare the crap out of the Japanese Govt. Don't be surprised to hear of a Chinese warship sailing within sight of those waters in the next few months either......Chinese way of saying you wanna play lets go. We all know he will be released very soon as Japan did last time.

  • -2

    YuriOtani

    ratpack, the peaceful government of Japan does not want war but if China attacks we will defend ourselves. Unlike Korea this is our territory, our war. I do not think the conflict would last long.

  • 1

    hatsoff

    @marcelito - this is just one news story among many. No tail, no dog. To ignore an incursion would be to invite more. It's got to be dealt with.

  • 1

    Wolfpack

    China loves to provoke Japan every now and then. They stir up anti-Japanese hatred and seem to have a jolly good time doing it.

  • 1

    Ash 'Vanguard' Baker

    like all japanese say to me 'don't trust the chinese' i agree

  • 4

    gelendestrasse

    Yeah, the Chinese government has to play the nationalism card to keep their own failures out of the public eye.

  • -5

    NetNinja

    Gentlemen, with all due respect. Some guy fishing, net or no net, is the smallest of things. I'm not trying to be mean but hear me out. We all know how things can snowball, domino effect, and before we know it we are breakign out the AKs and M16s. Things can spiral out of control.

    Elbuda, you are a good poster. I like your comments and I respect that you would read and disagree me standing your ground. However in your post it get the feeling that you think nuclear war is winnable.

    When it comes to past relations between these two nations China and Japan I sometimes feel as if there are barrels and barrels of gasoline and explosives set to a trip wire.

    YuriOtani - we have disagreed in the past but today I'm agreeing with you. A conflict with China would not last long. If fact, that's what I'm most worried about. The good ol days of land invasions, taking beaches and going for the capital are over. China could most certainly end this conflict right now.

    The scariest thought would be that China might believe that nuclear war is winnable due to it's large population which is not concentrated in the central cities. Japan is just the opposite, due to its'size the land mass itself would not survive such an attack.

    I hate to imagine such things but I'm just being honest. Japan is picking a fight it can't win. America is not your puppet. We'll nuke em for you. We'll be justified in doing so but you shouldn't do that to your friends. Leave those fishermen alone. It's not like they are harpooning whales for scientific research.

  • 3

    tokyokawasaki

    @NetNinja:

    Why are you supporting the Chinese arrogant, selfish, childish, irresponsible and pathetic behavior? And what's all this talk of nuclear war? Chill out.

    If China played by the internationally accepted rules, we wouldn't be reading this news today.

  • -1

    YuriOtani

    NetNinja, China can not win a conflict now, as for using nukes they would have to be crazy. These "fishermen" are invading the Okinawan Prefecture, we could give them these islands but China would want the rest. The line in the WATER must be drawn. War or peace rests solely with China, the Peoples Republic of China.

  • 1

    SamuraiBlue

    Nothing is going to happen. Even the PRC government acknowledges that the Goto isles are within Japan's EEZ therefore it was the Captain that is at fault.

    The captain will be charged with a heavy fineand will be released after payment while his boat will be confiscated by the Japanese coast guard.

    End of story.

  • -4

    NetNinja

    Tokyokawasaki - This article is about a Japanese Coast Guard vessel stopping and arresting a Chinese fisherman. Some guy, who probably doesn't give a rat's "£% about politics is out there fishing so he can take care of his family.

    This is not China being a bully. I call it as I see it. I'm not on anybody's side here and as an American it's not my beef.

    Sorry to make you nervous. Nuclear is a hot word these days.
    Chill Out? It's not me that you want to chill out. It's Japan and China going at each other. Tell them to Chill Out.

  • 0

    nigelboy

    Netninja,

    The only reason this made news is because this particular boat ignored JCG orders. There are several dozens of these intrusions every year by Chinese fishermen but they don't make the news because most of them comply.

  • 0

    JapanGal

    But in September Japan’s new Foreign Minister Koichiro Gemba voiced concern over China’s growing naval power and its activities near the disputed islands.

    Fishing boat is naval power. LOL

  • 1

    Hide Suzuki

    @NetNinja, As someone already pointed out, I guess Japanese fishermen should start fishing in the American territory then. I'm sure American government would be like "who cares" ,right?

  • 0

    nigelboy

    You're right JapanGal. AFP has a habit of connecting two separate issues. But then again, this is typical of western media when it comes to Japan.

  • 1

    smithinjapan

    YuriOtani: "ratpack, the peaceful government of Japan does not want war but if China attacks we will defend ourselves. Unlike Korea this is our territory, our war. I do not think the conflict would last long."

    I don't know why you continue to think Japan is some sort of military power in the world. Their ONLY power is the US presence, which you abhor and continue to berate despite depending on it to sleep safely. You're right, though, if Japan and China went to war (without the US) it would be over quickly... and on what little land left not burning you would stare up at the Chinese flag.

    I wonder what they'll do with the Chinese captain this time around. It's been long enough since the last incident that the matter might be dealt with somewhat objectively, but the fact that this incident immediately brings up the past incident, and some people are still upset about the captain being released, shows that there's a chance public pressure may play a big role in what happens. In any case the guy should be held and his boat impounded. Eventually he should be sent back to China (having been barred from entering Japan), warned not to enter again on threat of prosecution, and maybe his boat kept. There's not a lot else they can do.

  • -2

    Elbuda Mexicano

    Dear NetNinja, thanks but actually I do not think nuclear wars are winnable, I despises nuclear weapons etc..I wish we could all just get along, I wish mankind never had violence, but all my wishing and hoping for peace will not keep the Chinese, Russians, Al Qaeda etc..away, kind of like having a 12 gauge shot gun in your bed room, never know if some thief will brake into your home, but you know, just if they do as Charlie Daniel's say's in one of his songs I really love, got my 12 gauge shot gun waiting for you on the other side of my house, so the USA can tell the Chinese, Russians, Pakistan, Iran, etc..we got something for you if you mess with Japan and then get the bright idea to try and bring it on to the mainland of the USA, right??

  • -1

    nigelboy

    Smith,

    If U.S is not involved in the conflict, it means Japan voided the security agreement which in turns means Japan amended the constitution whereby their forces strength increased quite substantially.

  • 0

    kukuchai

    why china people so stubburn! i hope the chinese government teach their people what is respect to other countries! i as a singaporean chinese also feel ashamed!

  • -3

    rickyvee

    @tokyokawasaki

    ummm...a chinese fishing boat is fishing in japanese territorial waters. how is that arrogant, childish, irresponsible and pathetic? you're turning a mole hill into a mountain. if it were chinese military vessels then you would have a point.

  • 0

    Darrin Flores

    If any of you people actually think USA will go to war with China over islands... You know nothing about USA... that is a war the United States does not want... anybody who thinks the USA will roll China in a war knows nothing about war either... USA doesn't want any part of a war with China....If USA ever leaves Japan... and if you are JP, i suggest you start learning Mandarin, because if you think the Chinese has forgotten what JP did to them back in WWII... you are also sadly mistaken!

  • -1

    NetNinja

    Well, here's what I think Japan needs to do to put an end to these minor territorial disputes.
    -Disclaimer- This is not way my idea. Another person on this site mentioned it and said it best.

    Solution: Japan should commit 15% of it's GDP to it's own military growth.

    @Hide Suzuki It's hypocritical of Japan to be out there chasing down fishing trawlers when AT THE SAME time your country goes down, thousands of miles south of the Equator to do ILLEGAL whaling in other countries so called Exclusive Economic Zones.

    Dude, come on Hide, It's a bunch of guys out there fishing......fishing man, be real. Chinese like fish too you know. It's not ALL yours cause your country loves sushi and sashimi.

    This story is warped and taken out of context I'm sure. It's obvious that the fishing vessels left the area. They don't have to stop and talk to you.

    Some of you called for lines in the water....well thank goodness you can't draw lines in water.

    I'm telling you, you are going to push a little too far. You're going to get military vessels out there that are going to get a little too close. Someone is going to get nervous. Once contact is made, that's it. It's on.

    Hide if your country goes to war with China, you stand to lose millions and millions of dollars. China will kick your corporations out, they'll keep the technology that Toyota just sent over there (Hybrid division)....you lose. You'll lose economically first. Your semiconductor industry will hit rock bottom without access to the rare materials found in China. You'll lose access to that cheap labor that China provides. You are dependent on them. Let them fish.

    It's just not worth it to harass some fishing vessels.
    Hide, at first glance it would appear that I'm against you but I'm not. Japan is in a period of reconstruction, energy crisis, and a recession and it's yen is in bad shape.

    You really need to get your Coast Guard in check.

  • 0

    Foxie

    the patrol ship chased one of the two for nearly** 4 1/2 hours**.

    With all due respect, but why couldn't the Chinese captain escape back into Chinese territory? There was only one Coastguard boat after all.

  • -2

    smithinjapan

    nigelboy: "If U.S is not involved in the conflict, it means Japan voided the security agreement which in turns means Japan amended the constitution whereby their forces strength increased quite substantially."

    Are you in a bad mood? You seem to be intent on stating the obvious facts that everyone (except Yuri) knows. Of COURSE the US would step in, as long as they are still here, but YuriOtani seems to think Japan can take on China, Russia, and NK without the US's help, as he's said on various threads. Thus, and I did say Japan would need the US's help, my dig at him. Wow.

    My wondering about the captain himself (and his boat) and what might happen to him would be the better part of the comment to address.

  • -2

    Spidapig24

    Well lets hope that the Australian government take notice of this and when the Japanese are caught illegally fishing and ignoring quotas in our waters they do the same to the Japanese fishing boats. I can just see the outcry now from the Japanese people how funny it would be. But then again the Japanese complain about other nations fishing in their claimed EEZ (Senkaku's for example) yet send there military to protect their fishermen doing the same in other countries claimed EEZ's. Shame on you Japan, you reap what you sow.

  • 0

    soldave

    Marao you mean? Spent a little time on there. Will be interesting to see it as a base although not a huge surprise as I think Maldives would welcome the income. They will just have to be very careful with the wording of what they agree with the base.

  • 3

    Patrick Smash

    It's interesting that many posters who support Japan in this case think it is very unfair when the Russians do the same thing when the Japanese start pinching crabs in Russian waters. People should form their opinions based on the transgressions, not on the nationality of the transgressors. When Japanese boats deliberately steal Russia's resources offf the Kurils, please hold your opinion and agree that the Russians are well within their rights to arrest the Japanese captain and cart him back to Russia for a fortnight. Also hold your opinion that ordering boats to be boarded is within Russia's remit and is the correct course of action. The JCG does not have to order the boarding of vessels, but in this case it did. This is only the right course of action if there is consistency and the Japanese side has no objection when the favour is returned.

  • -3

    ratpack

    the peaceful government of Japan does not want war but if China attacks we will defend ourselves

    No you won't. The Japanese Govt will look over their shoulder and hope the US are there.

  • 1

    Yubaru

    but if China attacks we will defend ourselves.

    And everyone knows that all China would have to do is wait until after 5pm to attack anyway, as the SDF only works from 9 to 5.

  • -1

    JapanGal

    I think in 4 and a half hours, they could have been back in China already, unless they were going in tight little circles.

  • -5

    PussInBoots

    Keep your eye on Realmind. This article is about a fishing vessel in Japan's claimed EEC. Yet Realmind goes on to tell us that China is, as we speak, building bases in foreign countries. No, it isn't. Its having talks about building bases. Which is not really a surprise. America has bases all over the world and directly on either side of China. In case you have not been keeping up, China has no bases outside of China and is not friendly with the Americans. So why are talks being referred to as actually building bases by Realmind? And why so many thumbs up for him? Is it paranoia, gullibility, or a bit of both?

  • -2

    BlueWitch

    The problem with China is simple. You give them a piece but they end up wanting the whole cake. You just can't reason with them. Besides, I'm sick of them entering Okinawan waters and messing in our territory. Get the hell out of HERE! Why don't they go to the waters near Tokyo?!

  • 0

    JapanGal

    The fishing is terrible near Tokyo. That is why. Plus the weather is better near Okinawa.

  • -4

    rickyvee

    @bluewitch

    what has japan "given" china?

    the way i see it, japan is responsible for this whole "mess." if the japanese public didn't consume so much fish and fish products, there would probably be no need for the fisherman to stray so far into japan's eez to catch the few remaining fish left in the ocean.

  • 0

    marcelito

    Haha japangirl...

  • 0

    BlueWitch

    @Spidapig24

    Well lets hope that the Australian government take notice of this and when the Japanese are caught illegally fishing and ignoring quotas in our waters they do the same to the Japanese fishing boats. I can just see the outcry now from the Japanese people how funny it would be. But then again the Japanese complain about other nations fishing in their claimed EEZ (Senkaku's for example) yet send there military to protect their fishermen doing the same in other countries claimed EEZ's. Shame on you Japan, you reap what you sow.

    Well said. (^_^)

  • 0

    Disillusioned

    YuriOtani - the peaceful government of Japan does not want war but if China attacks we will defend ourselves. Unlike Korea this is our territory, our war. I do not think the conflict would last long.

    Oh, my goodness! Do you have a black van with loud speakers on it? If Japan was to go to war with China, in defense or not, Japan would be swatted like the spoiled brats they are.

  • 1

    BlueWitch

    @rickyvee

    @bluewitch

    what has japan "given" china?

    the way i see it, japan is responsible for this whole "mess." if the japanese public didn't consume so much fish and fish products, there would probably be no need for the fisherman to stray so far into japan's eez to catch the few remaining fish left in the ocean.

    Now we consume too much fish and fish products!!!!! WE?! Let me get ready to ROLL ON MY FLOOR LAUGHING~~~ So China, according to you, eat LESS fish and sea products? I have to assume that they eat more pork, beef, chicken, dog, cat? Do they? LOL

    This thread is starting to go the way of the Lulz Boat it seems to me. Ha!

  • 1

    tokyokawasaki

    @rickyvee: ummm...a chinese fishing boat is fishing in japanese territorial waters. how is that arrogant, childish, irresponsible and pathetic? you're turning a mole hill into a mountain. if it were chinese military vessels then you would have a point.

    Because they do not care about anything other than themselves. They seem to be world leaders at ignoring international laws too. Hence all of the above descriptions (and a whole lot more) fit perfectly well. China is not a civilized country. It is a country full of corrupt, selfish and arrogant people. (I am referring to the government, officials, businessmen and employers - i.e those in power). I have no beef with people of China (because they have been brainwashed into believing that China is special and VERY powerful by the same corrupt and selfish system) but those in power should know better and act civilized.

  • -1

    BlueWitch

    @JapanGal

    The fishing is terrible near Tokyo. That is why. Plus the weather is better near Okinawa.

    That's a good one! LOL
    Still, I don't want Chinese/Korean/Mainland Japanese vessels anywhere near Okinawan waters.
    All they do is messing up the coral reef , kill all the small sharks and everything else. We don't want Mainland Japanese. They need to get the hell out of here too! and take their stupid TV shows with them!

  • 0

    BlueWitch

    @Disillusioned

    YuriOtani - the peaceful government of Japan does not want war but if China attacks we will defend ourselves. Unlike Korea this is our territory, our war. I do not think the conflict would last long.

    Oh, my goodness! Do you have a black van with loud speakers on it? If Japan was to go to war with China, in defense or not, Japan would be swatted like the spoiled brats they are.

    OK! This post just made my entire day... Hahahaaha

    Yuri, you need to reply to that asap. LOL~~

  • 0

    Maitake

    Japan coast guard arrests captain of Chinese fishing boat

    Here we go again! :D

  • -3

    rickyvee

    @tokyokawasaki

    are you referring to japan or china? it seems like it could be both.

  • 0

    tokyokawasaki

    @ rickyvee. No. I am not delusional.

  • 0

    Nessie

    Substitute "fishing" for "hunting" and this old story applies:

    A hunter is sitting in his blind when he sees a bear. He aims and fires and sees the bear go down. When he gets to the spot the bear is nowhere to be seen. All of a sudden he feels a tap on his shoulder. He turns around and its the bear who gives him 2 options: he could eat him or he can let the bear have its way with him. The hunter picks the second option. After it is all done the man swears revenge. He goes to the gun store and buys the most powerful and accurate gun they have. Next weekend he is sitting in his stand and he sees the bear. He takes aim slowly, shoots and sees the bear go down. He goes to the spot and once agian the bear is not there. He feels a tap on his shoulder and turns around. It is the bear agian. The bear looks at him and says, "You're not really here for the hunting, are you?"

  • 1

    HolaKitty

    The Chinese government protested furiously during the previous incident (near Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands) because Japan had arrested the Chinese captain in disputed waters. If you look at the map, Diaoyu Islands are very far from the Japanese main Islands and are much closer to Taiwan. If the Chinese government had not protested, they would have been implicitly acknowledging that Japan had jurisdictional power over the disputed islands. So it was really Japan that was being irresponsible and provocative by arresting the Chinese captain in that incident.

    As for the present incident, the Chinese government haven't commented on the substance of the dispute so I am not sure why all of you are jumping up and down. Chill. Wait for their response and for facts of the case.

  • -3

    sunhawk

    i think it is time one of these fishing boats had an accidental run in with a surfacing japanese sub. just like what happened to one of ours in hawai'i.

  • 0

    Spidapig24

    Sun hawk,

    And similar to the one where the japanese sub hit the Japanese fishing boat sinking it too. Now why would you focus on the US incident and not mention the Japanese one l wonder? But you are right the McGuire and Japanese navy seem to have issues navigating their vessels so it's only a matter of time

  • 0

    seaforte03

    Since the islands are dispute - I expect China will eventually arrest Japanese fishing boats in the region - just to be fair - although that's rather immature. Regardless - all this mucking about makes Japan a political risk for doing business with Japanese companies in China.

    I wonder if the EU countries are interested - at least they haven't ticked off China in a long time (aside from the Nobel clowns).

  • -2

    sunhawk

    also, fishing boat my butt! probably another PLA Navy ship poking japan again to get us to do something they can then cry about to the international community.

  • -1

    SamuraiBlue

    @Patrick Smash

    There is a big difference, the Russians shoots first and ask no questions whatsoever in those situation which is a big difference compared to the Japanese attitude.

    @sunhawk

    The US sub rammed the Japanese boat not the other way around and from beneath as it was performing a crash surface stunt to please a VIP on board if I remember correctly. (I believe it's called reckless driving on the road.)

    • Moderator

      Readers, please stay on topic. The U.S. submarine incident is not relevant to this discussion.

  • -2

    whiskeysour

    Make him & fellow sailors serve 1 year in jail, than release them.

  • 1

    Patrick Smash

    SamuraiBlue, there is only a big difference to nationalists and holders of extremely xenophobic handles who always believe their own people and their own press. How many Japanese have died at the hands of Russians when poaching in Russian waters? How many non-Japanese have died as a result of Japanese actions against perceived poaching in Japanese waters?

  • 0

    jasperandy

    It apears many posters are poor at geography, Goto islands are in Nagasaki and the area is undisputed JPN EEZ.In fact this is a long wayinside Japanese EEZ, hence one might ask what were the fishing boats doing.

    There will be no comeback from this arrest. Considering he didn't stop, he should recieve a much bigger fine, perhaps 1 million USD.

  • 1

    nigelboy

    jasperandy.

    Agreed. Blame the source (AFP) who basically recited the Senkaku incident which of course would lead to many readers believing that this particular island is also under dispute.

    And as for Patrick Smash question on how many Japanese have died at the hands of Russians, there was a incident in 2006 where a Japanese fisherman was shot in the head. The other was in 1956 but I don't have the numbers before that.

  • 1

    Patrick Smash

    nigelboy, yep, 2 in history. I don't condone Russia having killed any Japanese poachers, misdirected warning shot in 2006 (as they claim) or not. The actions of the Chinese boat were completely illegal in this case as it was poaching in waters which are not disputed. But I think there should be a bit of consistency when the boot is on the other foot.

  • 0

    YuriOtani

    @Disillusioned"Oh, my goodness! Do you have a black van with loud speakers on it? If Japan was to go to war with China, in defense or not, Japan would be swatted like the spoiled brats they are." Dude China has old Soviet era crap and with the USA Japan would sink the entire Chinese navy that attacked Japan. We can not be the aggressors but we can and will defend our homes. As to a black van with loudspeakers laughs, oh I do not even attend demonstrations never mind drink beer and ride getting drunk. I do have a 2009 Honda civic and a 1986.5 Toyota Supra Mk III. Mine says I am a sports car otaku :p Back on subject any conflict with American and Japan will be a major defeat for China.

  • 0

    Qomolangma

    @realmind NOV. 07, 2011, you're very lucky this time that the Mod just closed his eyes and allowed you to post LINKS here :-) on the other occasions, post like yours just went to trashbin :)

  • 0

    Qomolangma

    @YuriOtani "We can not be the aggressors but we can and will defend our homes. "

    I wish that I can take your words AND it was China who invaded Japan in 1930s :)

    I don't like war and love to living. However, the NWO will love wars as way to get profit while at the same time reducing the population (which are 7 billions now). The mainstream media is now trumpeting Iran as the next new target after Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.... I you like warring, you'll be happy to know there are many warmongers around :)

  • 0

    YuriOtani

    Qomolangma, well Japan does not have the armed forces to attack China. Japan is very different from the Empire that attacked China in the 1930's. Now there is a dispute over some islands in the middle of the South China Sea which MAY have some oil and gas. It is not even proven resources and I hate war too. Best thing that can happen is for China and Japan to come up with some sort of agreement. Set clear guidelines on who controls what and stick to the agreement. Any conflict will just make things worse no matter what happens. Japan does need oil and gas too! There needs to be a fair agreement and an immediate search for reserves. About the next targets, am sure Japan does not support aggression in the world. These conflicts are not Japans war. About being a "warmonger", I believe appeasement of China will not bring peace. Once they have these islands, they will demand the rest of the Okinawa Prefecture.

  • 0

    nigelboy

    nigelboy, yep, 2 in history. I don't condone Russia having killed any Japanese poachers, misdirected warning shot in 2006 (as they claim) or not. The actions of the Chinese boat were completely illegal in this case as it was poaching in waters which are not disputed. But I think there should be a bit of consistency when the boot is on the other foot.

    You're confused as usual. The government of Japan doesn't cry "Northern Territories is ours!!" when a Japanese fishermen is poaching within the area because Japan and Russia already has an agreement in place for the boundaries. It's a simple matter of whether the fisherman was within or outside the agreed boundary. Same thing with China. Japan and China has already an agreement in place. But what this fishermen and the one just a while back ago was violating this agreement because they were fishing within the coastal zone (within 12 nm).

    When you preach for consistency, at least get the information correct and then determine if the incidents draw a parallel.

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    OssanAmerica

    "Well lets hope that the Australian government take notice of this and when the Japanese are caught illegally fishing and ignoring quotas in our waters they do the same to the Japanese fishing boats"

    How often do Japanese poachers run or ram the Austrailian Maritime Authorities when caught?

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    miyazawa3

    When China Comes in to your Territory. for ... like.. friendly fishing... You should treat them in friendly manner. Its a Big mistake That You arrest them.
    I mean...They are your neighbours and 2nd largest economy in the world. You should learn to respect not only US.

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    Patrick Smash

    nigelboy, you're barking up the wrong tree same as usual. I was pointing out that many posters here decide right or wrong based on nationality, which is what you often do. Those same posters shout out that the Kurils are Japanese disputed waters whenever this happens and so do various Japanese politicians, as you know so well. I was also pointing out to BlueSamurai that 2 shooting incidents in 230 separate incidents where the Japanese fish illegally in Russian waters (and are caught) is hardly a shoot to kill policy. Additionally, I said this one is a clear case of poaching, but in your normal way you don't read anythingg properly if you think any possible criticism of good old Japan might be there. I am certainly not ever going to ask you for any consistency, but whether you like it or not, incidents in the kurils and incidents off senkaku have a lot in common for any non-nationalist who has his facts straight.

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    ICBM70

    HA!!! Another example of Chinese aggression toward Japan!!! It is always like this, they would send so called "fishing boat" into Japanese water, then they would claim the area as "historically Chinese water". We need to lay mines around China, so none of its "fishing boats" can get out of their "water"!!! We need to build carriers, so Asian countries can live in peace without being afraid of Chinese "fishing boats"!!!

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    PT24881

    @japan gal "After the two vessels rejected its order to stop for on-board inspections, the patrol ship chased one of the two for nearly 4 1/2 hours." Record 12:00pm spotted the fishing boat ( the coast guards have to take their lunch & decided to going gently after it ) 2:00pm reported to Tokyo for directives while the officials (Sunday afternoon ) were not reachable for comments, kept following gently the boat 3:00pm still no response fromTokyo 4:00pm no response from Tokyo 4:30pm rammed the boat before the office hours ended

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    Nessie

    And as for Patrick Smash question on how many Japanese have died at the hands of Russians, there was a incident in 2006 where a Japanese fisherman was shot in the head.

    Right. Over the border in Kunashiri waters.

    • Moderator

      Back on topic please.

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    Okinawamike

    The fishing is terrible near Tokyo. That is why. Plus the weather is better near Okinawa.

    Not today!

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    Tamarama

    "Well lets hope that the Australian government take notice of this and when the Japanese are caught illegally fishing and ignoring quotas in our waters they do the same to the Japanese fishing boats"

    Australia does this all the time in it's northern waters - when they can actually catch the perpetrators. There is a lot of ocean to cover, so most go undetected, but there are plenty of Indonesians in Australian jails for fishing illegally in Australian waters. The Indo government don't kick up a song and dance about it - they know territorial boundaries have been violated. Your reference to whaling doesn't really apply, because the areas the Japanese are whaling in are claimed by Australia, but not internationally recognized as Australian. Big difference. If those whaling boats did start taking whales inside Australian maritime boundaries the Australian Navy would certainly arrest them and the crew would be incarcerated. Which is why they don't.

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