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  YuriOtani at 07:28 AM JST - 19th July

  smithinjapan, how long have you lived in Japan? Just taking non sexual pictures of naked children is not a crime. Japanese need to be careful in these countries. Also the local governments love to put Japanese in jail. Best bet for Japanese to go on holiday is to visit the Okinawa prefecture or Guam or Hawaii.

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  kinniku at 02:24 PM JST - 19th July

  YuriOtani,

  Smithinjapan's length of time in Japan has nothing to do with this conversation. Nakagawa took pictures of nude children and paid them to do so. I find it fascinating that you would think it would be acceptable in Japan to take photos of nude children and pay them and that there parents and the authorities would not react negatively to it. Not only is it not acceptable, it is in fact illegal in Japan. In addition, Nakagawa can be brought up on the same charges upon his return to Japan.

  FYI:

  Japanese Child Pornography Laws:

  Article 2 -iii:

  depict, in a way that can be recognized visually, such a pose of a child who is naked totally or partially in order to arouse or stimulate the viewer's sexual desire.

  http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaJapan.asp

  Again, the man mentioned in this article has admitted his guilt regarding the charges.

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  kinniku at 02:36 PM JST - 19th July

  YuriOtani,

  I forgot to mention, this is not Nakagawa's first time doing this kind of thing. He was arrested, convicted and served two and a half years in Japan on similar charges, so it might be best to be careful to check your own knowledge about a subject before going half-cocked and questioning another person's knowledge...

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  womanforwomen at 03:22 PM JST - 19th July

  Aska, You have a problem distinguishing the photos of naked African children on National Geographic and the ones taken in Cambodia, Philipines and Thailand? It is the intent for which the photos were taken. Frankly, even those publications should stop this practice as there are people who have these habits that are unacceptable. Adjustments have to be made as mentioned by elbudanmexico, where things that were deemed normal are not anymore due to sexual pervs.

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  YuriOtani at 09:32 AM JST - 20th July

  kinniku, I still do not see where it is illegal. I would have to view the evidence but think he would of gotten life in prison if they were doing anything of a sexual nature. I still do not see the problem except Cambodian wanting to show how tough they are on the problem by prosecuting and surprising an Japanese national.

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  YuriOtani at 09:34 AM JST - 20th July

  I meant to write imprisoning not surprising, silly me.

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  kinniku at 09:37 AM JST - 20th July

  YuriOtani,

  I repeat:

  "This is not Nakagawa's first time doing this kind of thing. He was arrested, convicted and served two and a half years in Japan on similar charges"

  He did this in Japan and he spent time in prison for it. What he did wsa illegal in Japan as well. He has admitted to his crime in Cambodia as well. There really is no question as to the facts I have given you. If you have something specific to show otherwise, please show me.

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  kinniku at 12:27 PM JST - 20th July

  BC,

  Umm...you really have to be kidding...It fascinates me that you are completely incapable of checking anything out on your own before shooting your mouth off.

  http://live14.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/wildplus/1155128829/

  As you can see by the accompanying Mainichi Daily News link, on August 9th, 2004 Nakagawa, along with another 35 year old man, was arrested for approaching a group of 10 junior high school boys between the ages of 12 and 15 years old and telling them they had nice bodies and that they could be J-leaguers. He then had them take off their clothes and photographed them with a digital camera. As payment, he gave them juice.

  So, you were wrong again. You never seem to learn that going off half-cocked is a sure way to convince everyone you really don't know what you are talking about. Why don't you ever attempt to check things out before immediately suggesting others are wrong?

  Not quite. He admitted to possessing naked pictures of boys, but that is different to admitting to the charges. The main charge is that he possessed child porn.

  Umm...quite. This is not about your fantasies about what happened. This is about what happened and what was reported to have happened. I provided you with proof that he admitted guilt to ALL the charges. I have provided proof that he was previously arrested for the same charges in Japan. This is not about what you think is child porn or not. It is obvious you have a completely different take on it than the majority of the civilized world. This is about the facts and you are just talking about your opinions. Until you can show me some proof that the facts I have presented and the accompanying proof are somehow incorrect, we just have your fantasies and they are not nearly equal to actual facts in the case. Of course, this does seem to be a pattern for you. Wonder when you will decide to break it.

  And you never will.

  He will if he/she merely reads what I have presented or even does a bit of fact finding on their own. As I have pointed out, and you could have checked on your own at any time, the man was arrested, convicted and imprisoned for the same crime in Japan in 2004.

  The question is unanswerable.

  Wrong. The Japanese and Cambodian courts answered the question quite clearly. It was illegal and he was and will be imprisoned again for his crimes.

  Admitting to the charges would better shown by proving he entered a "guilty" plea, but even that is not the best proof.

  It seems you have not read the article yet. If you can't perhaps someone can translate it for you. He admitted to the charges. That is that. Anything beyond that that you add without specific proof is merely your fantasies of what may or may not have happened.

  But 6 years is still insane.

  Nah. It is his second offense. He was already in a Japanese jail for 2 and a half years before doing it again in Cambodia. 6 years is just fine.

  It really does amaze me with all this information at your fingertips that you refuse to even check the simplest of facts before suggesting others are wrong. You and I have had similar conversations many times and it always seems to boil down to you being too lazy to check your facts before claiming others are wrong. Doesn't your internet work?

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  YuriOtani at 02:37 AM JST - 21st July

  kinniku, you have written a well thought out entry into this thread. I just think it has to be more to the story than taking naked pictures. If the children were doing anything remotely of a sexual nature or suggestive of a sex act. Then I change my line to "he got off easy". It is just that the whole story is not presented. Like why would the Japanese teens do such pictures for juice? I do admit to not seeing the Forrest through the trees at times. I read the articles and they really do not say much. Another puzzle is why 2 years in a Japanese prison would not have installed a deterrence to committing the crime again.

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  elbudamexicano at 11:02 PM JST - 21st July

  A few years ago, the police in Machida arrested a dirty perverted old Japanese photographer for taking pictures of high school boys in his van, he first offered them 1 thousand yen or so to take off their shirts, then 5 thousand yen for the boys to kiss each other, then 10, 000 yen for them to have oral sex on each other, but the police were watching him from afar and caught the old perverted geezer in the act! This is here in Tokyo and I am sure if it can happen out in 3rd world Cambodia it can happen here and for that matter anywhere if we are not careful of these creeps.

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  kinniku at 10:18 AM JST - 22nd July

  YuriOtani,

  Thank you so much for your comments. I appreciate them very much.

  I just think it has to be more to the story than taking naked pictures.

  Well, keep in mind, in both cases, it was Nakagawa's request that the children be nude. I also neglected to mention that in the case of Nakagawa's acts in Cambodia, he actually did it twice. He ran into the children the first time, took their pictures and then made plans with them to meet again.

  I believe the reason it is hard for you to fathom what this story is about is because you are a good person and could never imagine requesting children to take their clothes off and use the photos for strange reasons. However, sadly, the world is not only filled with people like you.

  Like why would the Japanese teens do such pictures for juice?

  They didn't. He gave them the juice afterwards. Adults, like Nakagawa, that do these kinds of acts tend to be really good talkers and are good at convincing children to do what they want. Thus he talked about J-League etc to get on the children's good side before requesting that they take off their clothes. I think that is a major point in this story. In both cases, the victims were underage children who do not have the ability to make judgements in the same way you or I can. Nakagawa took advantage of this inability. It can be hard for us to understand, because we do not want to do such things in the first place.

  Another puzzle is why 2 years in a Japanese prison would not have installed a deterrence to committing the crime again.

  Sadly, even though Japan's prison system is quite efficient IMHO and safer than those such as in many western countries, again IMHO, the recidivism rate for sex offenders in Japan is something around 41%. Apparently, Nakagawa was in that 41%.

  Again, thank you for your thoughtful response.

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  Makkun70 at 12:50 PM JST - 22nd July

  When is Japan going to stop these 4 year old bikini clad girls being sprayed in the crotch-area with milk DVD's being sold in Akihabara?

  The Cambodian sentence is a 1st world country sentence.

  Sometimes I really think it is we that live in the 3rd world in Japan.

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  YuriOtani at 11:39 PM JST - 22nd July

  kinniku, thank you very much for your kind comments. Yes, I see it now and now think he got off easy. I was looking at it from an innocent point of view. I could just not think of it from the other viewpoint. Suppose in my defense if I was there my thought would be different. Do know a pervert when encountering them. Now I am positive he got off easy. I wonder if they also charged with entering the country with the intent of committing a crime? Thank you again for your kind comments and pointing out my error in thinking.

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  nigelboy at 12:40 AM JST - 23rd July

  again IMHO, the recidivism rate for sex offenders in Japan is something around 41%. Apparently, Nakagawa was in that 41%.

  I believe it's 28% for those who were incarcerated.

  http://hakusyo1.moj.go.jp/jp/52/image/image/h006004002007e.jpg

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  kinniku at 10:13 AM JST - 23rd July

  nigelboy,

  Yes, my numbers (which as you are aware also came from the NPA) were referring to those arrested and also included those incarcerated. As you are aware, just because someone is found quilty of a crime, does not mean they go to jail. Some of these criminals were also arrested for other crimes as well that were done before or after the sex offenses. In fact, the rates of recidivism in Japan are quite close to those in the United States as I am sure you are aware. Again, you should understand, I of all people would not criticize the Japanese prison system. As I wrote above, I think it is one of the safest and most efficient in the world. I am merely showing the correct numbers

  However, the bottom line is that Nakagawa was one of these recidivists. That seems to be the reason he went to Cambodia...

  Oh, and thank you for your numbers. It is a good point that Nakagawa was in the 28% since he was in fact incarcerated and that was the point of discussion. So, I appreciate your correct information and clarification.

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