I'm not sure if you are aware, but a previous news report on japantoday.com said that the charges were dropped because of suspicion of the girls story, not because of a plea bargain. The previous report said that the prosecutors couldnt use her story because of, for lack of a better term a "phishy story".
This should be a message to service mbrs. Just because the Japan's legal system may not take the case you can guarantee that if you embarass the United States the good old UCMJ is always there to right hook you.
The victim was a hip-hop music video girl wannabe, clearly she did not understand the Player-Playee mentality and she got in over her head. These four guys treated her like a piece of meat in that parking lot and embarrassment lead to claims of rape.
The J-police act like she got what she deserved. The USMC after being embarrassed once again is taking action. Since there is no evidence of rape, they will have to settle for lesser charges.
The GSYGT was probably told by his lawyers that a plea bargin was the best way for him to go with the minium amount of time. True, some people refuse to take the plea bargin if they think that they have enough evidence on their side to refute charges. But he probably took it knowing that he was getting the best deal for the current situation.
USMC has used this case to make a point to the J-people and others to show that they are tough on bad behavior among their ranks. Not saying that these guys are totally innocent, they should have known better to try to run a "train" on someone in this type of situation, but they were thinking with the "little head" instead of the "big head."
The only comments I have for the victim is that yes you have the right to be a hip-hop video girl and go to any type club that you want. But, it is still on you to have enough respect for yourself to not go out to a car and have sex with someone. If she was seeing one of the persons for awhile and they both wanted a "quickie" that is ok. But to just "hook up" at a club, then you probably need to evaluate that type of situation to see if you really want to put yourself out on a limb like that.
xxzjxx,
just because jt reported something doesn't mean it's right, just look at the way they handle comments.
in other words, i'm going to say that since this story contradicts the last, its more of a "we hate military in japan" report.
Except that it was a U.S. Military court that conducted the trial and cam eup with the verdict and sentence.
I think it great that the U.S. Marine Corps is doing the right thing by prosecuting criminals in its ranks.
I think it great that the U.S. Marine Corps is doing the right thing by prosecuting criminals in its ranks.
I hope you and everyone else here remembers this and don't change your tune when a case eventually arises where, as in this case, the Japanese authorities refrain from prosecuting a service member, the USMC (or applicable branch of service) investigates and tries the accused, and finds him/her not guilty of the charge(s).
Regarding the concern that the Marine received a light sentence, it might help you to know that a "bad conduct discharge" will have a serious detrimental effect on any possible pension that sergeant might have recieved. Without 20 years the pension is usually ZERO DOLLARS.
Might also be of interest to know that the US Government counts HOMELESS VETERANS in the 100,000's of thousands.
Those promised veteran educational benefits are also written to ensure most never are able to go to school after discharge. Even in 2000 the Secretary of Defense stated his amasement that 90% of veterans never use their educational benefits.
Normally the "benefit" might cover tuition - but little if nothing for housing, food, vehicle, etc etc. Student loans for those with prior year incomes tend to demand a payment after six months making it nearly impossible for someone planning on 2 or more years of schooling.
Another election year, and of course, both parties & their candidates talk about the need for change - ha!
So you see, even a one day prison sentance with a "Bad Conduct Discharge" has serious life long repercusions.
This former Marine GySgt. is now going have to face his wife who, happens to be a USMC Marine GySgt. who just had a set of twins back in January. I sure don't want to be in his boots after is 20 months of time in jail is completeted. Will the USMC give this guy a dependent ID card?, will the US Military allow this guy on any base due to his status of a "Sex Offender"?
Is the Army guy on Okinawa, going to face the same type of charges because of the Filipina who didn't get paid by the person who rented her out. Why hasn"t JT not placed this incident in the Crime section. Could it be that only Japanese Females rate any media coverage?
I hope you and everyone else here remembers this and don't change your tune when a case eventually arises where, as in this case, the Japanese authorities refrain from prosecuting a service member, the USMC (or applicable branch of service) investigates and tries the accused, and finds him/her not guilty of the charge(s).
Well, that WOULD be the point of a trial, determining guilt or innocence.
Budmc:
Might also be of interest to know that the US Government counts HOMELESS VETERANS in the 100,000's of thousands.
The struggles of homeless veterans is a real and important problem and needs to be dealt with. However, this guy threw it away because of his own misconduct, and the authorities dealt with it according to the law. It is incorrect to lump him in with the other issue, they unrelated. For example, if a hypothetical panel of judges in Tokyo sentences a 45-year old yakuza to death for acts of violence and mayhem, it is not included in the problem of premature deaths of men in the 40's. Hypothetically speaking.
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xxzjxx at 07:57 AM JST - 21st May
rjd jr,
I'm not sure if you are aware, but a previous news report on japantoday.com said that the charges were dropped because of suspicion of the girls story, not because of a plea bargain. The previous report said that the prosecutors couldnt use her story because of, for lack of a better term a "phishy story".
xxzjxx at 07:58 AM JST - 21st May
in other words, i'm going to say that since this story contradicts the last, its more of a "we hate military in japan" report.
dany505 at 09:15 AM JST - 21st May
This should be a message to service mbrs. Just because the Japan's legal system may not take the case you can guarantee that if you embarass the United States the good old UCMJ is always there to right hook you.
VOR at 09:20 AM JST - 21st May
The victim was a hip-hop music video girl wannabe, clearly she did not understand the Player-Playee mentality and she got in over her head. These four guys treated her like a piece of meat in that parking lot and embarrassment lead to claims of rape.
The J-police act like she got what she deserved. The USMC after being embarrassed once again is taking action. Since there is no evidence of rape, they will have to settle for lesser charges.
Stallion at 10:54 AM JST - 21st May
how do you know she was a hip-hop head VOR?
Alphaape at 11:05 AM JST - 21st May
The GSYGT was probably told by his lawyers that a plea bargin was the best way for him to go with the minium amount of time. True, some people refuse to take the plea bargin if they think that they have enough evidence on their side to refute charges. But he probably took it knowing that he was getting the best deal for the current situation.
USMC has used this case to make a point to the J-people and others to show that they are tough on bad behavior among their ranks. Not saying that these guys are totally innocent, they should have known better to try to run a "train" on someone in this type of situation, but they were thinking with the "little head" instead of the "big head."
The only comments I have for the victim is that yes you have the right to be a hip-hop video girl and go to any type club that you want. But, it is still on you to have enough respect for yourself to not go out to a car and have sex with someone. If she was seeing one of the persons for awhile and they both wanted a "quickie" that is ok. But to just "hook up" at a club, then you probably need to evaluate that type of situation to see if you really want to put yourself out on a limb like that.
timeon at 12:01 PM JST - 21st May
stealing her cash is included into the "indecent act" category?
telecasterplayer at 02:04 PM JST - 21st May
xxzjxx, just because jt reported something doesn't mean it's right, just look at the way they handle comments.
Except that it was a U.S. Military court that conducted the trial and cam eup with the verdict and sentence. I think it great that the U.S. Marine Corps is doing the right thing by prosecuting criminals in its ranks.
USNinJapan2 at 05:21 PM JST - 21st May
telecasterplayer
I hope you and everyone else here remembers this and don't change your tune when a case eventually arises where, as in this case, the Japanese authorities refrain from prosecuting a service member, the USMC (or applicable branch of service) investigates and tries the accused, and finds him/her not guilty of the charge(s).
budmc at 06:03 PM JST - 21st May
Regarding the concern that the Marine received a light sentence, it might help you to know that a "bad conduct discharge" will have a serious detrimental effect on any possible pension that sergeant might have recieved. Without 20 years the pension is usually ZERO DOLLARS.
Might also be of interest to know that the US Government counts HOMELESS VETERANS in the 100,000's of thousands.
Those promised veteran educational benefits are also written to ensure most never are able to go to school after discharge. Even in 2000 the Secretary of Defense stated his amasement that 90% of veterans never use their educational benefits.
Normally the "benefit" might cover tuition - but little if nothing for housing, food, vehicle, etc etc. Student loans for those with prior year incomes tend to demand a payment after six months making it nearly impossible for someone planning on 2 or more years of schooling.
Another election year, and of course, both parties & their candidates talk about the need for change - ha!
So you see, even a one day prison sentance with a "Bad Conduct Discharge" has serious life long repercusions.
Damax6 at 11:10 PM JST - 21st May
budmc is correct on this one...he might have a chance if he decided to live in a country other than the states. he might have a chance...
Obakemono at 09:33 AM JST - 22nd May
This former Marine GySgt. is now going have to face his wife who, happens to be a USMC Marine GySgt. who just had a set of twins back in January. I sure don't want to be in his boots after is 20 months of time in jail is completeted. Will the USMC give this guy a dependent ID card?, will the US Military allow this guy on any base due to his status of a "Sex Offender"?
Is the Army guy on Okinawa, going to face the same type of charges because of the Filipina who didn't get paid by the person who rented her out. Why hasn"t JT not placed this incident in the Crime section. Could it be that only Japanese Females rate any media coverage?
thundercat at 11:41 AM JST - 22nd May
bad conduct discharge...
angry wife...
20 months in jail...
BOOHOO! Still think he got off lightly. Don't do the crime and all that...
telecasterplayer at 12:16 PM JST - 22nd May
USNinJapan2
Well, that WOULD be the point of a trial, determining guilt or innocence.
Budmc:
The struggles of homeless veterans is a real and important problem and needs to be dealt with. However, this guy threw it away because of his own misconduct, and the authorities dealt with it according to the law. It is incorrect to lump him in with the other issue, they unrelated. For example, if a hypothetical panel of judges in Tokyo sentences a 45-year old yakuza to death for acts of violence and mayhem, it is not included in the problem of premature deaths of men in the 40's. Hypothetically speaking.
whyamiinjapan at 11:06 AM JST - 28th May
Crimes against nationals of any country, regardless of person, should be tried by the courts of that country. Period.
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