Tuesday February 14, 2012

Suspect says he decided to stage Akihabara attack a few days before

Suspect says he decided to stage Akihabara attack a few days before
Cell phone messages purportedly posted by the suspect in Sunday's attack

TOKYO —

The suspect in Sunday’s stabbing spree that left seven people dead and 10 others injured has told investigators that he decided several days before to stage the attack at the Akihabara electronics district in central Tokyo.
   
‘‘I got tired of my life. I’ve visited Akihabara several times. I know that there are many people there,’’ suspect Tomohiro Kato, 25, was quoted as saying.
   
Kato has also told the investigators that he went to Akihabara to kill people.
   
Investigations showed that Kato made a reservation Saturday to rent a truck which he used in the attack the following day.
   
At that time, Kato told the rental company that he was moving to a new residence and needed a large truck to transport enough for three people, police sources said.
   
Kato was arrested Sunday on suspicion of attempted murder for allegedly stabbing a 24-year-old woman in the back on a street near JR Akihabara Station at around 12:30 p.m. Sunday. The woman suffered from serious injuries. So far, he hasn’t been charged with murder.

The police sources said Kato’s remarks and acts indicate that he committed the crime in a premeditated manner with a clear intention to kill.
   
In the deadly rampage, seven people died after being hit by a truck or having been stabbed, and 10 others were injured.
   
The suspect has been found to have possessed a clasp knife on top of the 13-centimeter one he used in the stabbing spree, the police sources said.
   
Kato was arrested on the spot after being overpowered by police officers at the scene.
   
Meanwhile, a series of message postings on a mobile phone bulletin board foretold the deadly rampage, according to the investigations.
   
Kato has told the investigators that he had given warnings of his actions in postings on a cell phone bulletin board.
   
The posts were apparently put up from early morning until just minutes before the stabbing spree on Sunday. The descriptions in the posts as well as the time-stamps follow the developments closely.
   
The Tokyo police said they are investigating whether the posts were made by Kato, a temporary worker and a resident of Susono, Shizuoka Prefecture.
   
The series of message postings in a thread entitled ‘‘I will kill people in Akihabara’’ started with a post time-stamped at 5:21 a.m. Sunday and read, ‘‘I want to crash the vehicle and, if it that doesn’t work, I will then use a knife. Goodbye, everyone.’’ It was followed by another post, among others, that read, ‘‘Getting caught while I’m carrying out my mission will perhaps be the worst outcome.’‘
   
A 6:31 a.m. message said, ‘‘It’s time. I’m off.’‘
   
A 7:47 a.m. post said, ‘‘No postponement because of rainy weather.’’ It was said to be drizzling Sunday morning in Susono and areas around the city.
   
A 9:48 a.m. post said, ‘‘Rest after entering Kanagawa.’’ Kanagawa Prefecture is on the way from Shizuoka to Tokyo.
   
Subsequent posts include ‘‘Just arrived in Akihabara’’ and at 11:45 a.m., a post said, ‘‘Today, it’s a ‘pedestrians’ paradise,’ isn’t it?’’ in reference to Sunday being a vehicle-free day for pedestrians on a busy street.
   
A post made 10 minutes past midday said, ‘‘It’s time.’’ Kato is alleged to have started engaging in the deadly acts of running over and stabbing people on the street at around 12:30 p.m. The police said Monday that the weapon used was a dagger knife, rather than a survival knife as they had said the previous day.
   
Kato rented a 2-ton truck at a rental car shop in Numazu, also Shizuoka Prefecture, at around 8 a.m. and drove to Tokyo via the Tomei (Tokyo-Nagoya) Expressway through an interchange in Susono. Numazu is about 120 kilometers southwest of Tokyo, while Susono is some 10 km northeast of Numazu.
   
He allegedly drove the truck into the car-free street near Akihabara Station, hit several people on the street and stabbed many with a highly destructive, double-edged knife.
   
Akihabara is known for a cluster of electronics shops and as a magnet for video game, manga comic and animation fans. Kato reportedly had a strong interest in comic-book and video-game subculture. In a school yearbook in which graduating students were asked to describe their personalities, Kato enclosed a picture of an action hero and simply wrote the word “crooked” in English, reports said.
   
On Monday, many people with flowers and other offerings showed up at the site of the incident in Akihabara to pray for the souls of those who had been killed.
   
A 20-year-old company employee from Okazaki, Aichi Prefecture, who was on business in Tokyo and happened to be near the site around an hour before it took place, offered a bottle of water.
   
‘‘I could have been stabbed as well if I had just made one wrong move,’’ he said. ‘‘I came to mourn for those people who had to die.’‘

A spokesman for Kanto Auto Works, the company to which Kato was dispatched from a temping agency in November, said Monday that he had been working normally until going missing on Friday.

“We’ve been told that his attitude at work was very good and that he didn’t stir any problems in the workplace,” said company spokesman Naoyuki Hashimoto.

Residents of Kato’s hometown interviewed by Nippon Television said that he did well at school. “He was good both at studying and sports. He was respected in the classroom,” one woman said.

Wire reports

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    thepro

    Yep, just another punk who wants his 5 minutes of fame.

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    rjd_jr

    Indeed. These sociopaths the world over who go off on mass murder sprees really crave the attention and notoriety the media brings to them.

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    romulus3

    well if that posting site had constant moderators like JT the perhaps the authorities could have tracked the guy before it happened. perhaps its something to be introduced by law.

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    nandakandamanda

    Maybe he just wanted to prove his innocence. "If I tell them all that this is what I am going to do, if I keep them updated on my every move, then it will be their fault for not listening. I am not hiding anything. No-one ever listens to me; I am their creation. They could have stopped me..."

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    Spidey

    You'd think that those posts would have set off some bells at the server considering their obvious content. It's looks like he was trying to create an opportunity for someone to catch him, or else he was just writing a "post game highlights" of the events to come.

    This whole "I just wanted to kill someone, anyone..." reason is becoming all too common.
    Adding his name to ever increasing "suicide rates" would have been my choice for him.

    S

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    cleo

    No-one ever listens to me

    Looks like he proved himself right.

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    japanyesterday

    death note?

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    smithinjapan

    "Police said they are investigating the motive and details of the incident, eying a murder charge against Kato, who was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder."

    You would think so.

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    rjd_jr

    Yes, one would think that someone would have caught onto it, or raised some alarms. But that's hindsight, many infamous mass murderers have given 'warning signs' such as home made videos, threats, etc. etc., yet no one caught on in those cases and people died. Especially in Japan I would think many would think such threats as that of a rambling lunatic, not to be taken seriously.

    But hopefully this will be a wake up call for many companies in Japan to be on the lookout for such obvious and specific threats to people.

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    sk4ek

    If it was a mobile blog site, as opposed to a bulletin board or a place to post comments, like this one, it is unlikely a moderator would have been around in the first place; only other readers of the blog (and that's assuming there were any) would have had access to the content, thus rendering the "if only" argument moot. He might as well have been muttering to himself in the dark.

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    timeon

     and probably most of those readers were sleeping that early on Sunday

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    Fair dinkum!

    These websites and many more like them must come under closer scrutiny in an attempt to curb this spate of violent and sadistic crimes. The suicide sites should just be shut down.

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    roughneck

    It remains unknown who made the posts

    How it remains unknown? Doesn't the site has a log from which the posts were posted? Can't it be traced back to whose phone it was?

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    CONTRARY

    As if anyone other than the National Security Agency had the ability to snoop on EVERYONES' business here and anywhere else in the world. Maybe not a "lucky fluke" that the mobile posts were revealed, but it WAS after the fact. Most mobile phones in the USA have a built-in GPS, but I have no idea if the same is true for Japan.

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    nutsagain

    As big a critic as I am of the keystones, they handled this pretty well, particularly the arresting officer. The guy would've looked like Swiss cheese and gone down in hail of bullets in the US and possibly others in the 'friendly fire' or ricochets... Good to self-restraint and coolness prevail.

    Moderator: Readers, what police in other countries would have done is not relevant. Keep the discussion focused on Japan, please.

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    Zen_Builder

    Talking about the arrest.

    You all seen the "Civilian" that assisted the cop. IMHO, he was an off-duty cop. Cops just don't accept any help from bystanders as they are a liability.

    Just my view.

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    jerseyboy

    nutsagain...Disagree about the "self-restraint and coolness" part. The fact is the officer only drew his weapon because he could not subdue Kato despite repeated blows from his night stick. In other words, he was neither restrained nor cool -- just physically incapable of handling the situation short of pulling out his gun. Which is not atypical of J-cops. And, while your "hail of bullets" characterization is colorful, it ignores the obvious fact that Kato had assaulted nearly 20 people, and, as long as he was in possession of a weapon, remained a threat to others. In those circumstances, I have no problems with an officer of the law making him "look like Swiss cheese" if he makes ANY threatening gestures. That is why you arm policemen and instruct and repeatedly train them on the proper procedure for choosing to discharge their weapon.

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    nutsagain

    Jersey: I see your point.

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    spiderman

    really scary... he should have used Twitter... RIP to all victims...

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    cleo

    The fact is the officer only drew his weapon because he could not subdue Kato despite repeated blows from his night stick. In other words, he was neither restrained nor cool -- just physically incapable of handling the situation short of pulling out his gun.

    I do not see your point at all. Of course he did not draw his gun until it was the only way of controlling the situation, that's what it's for and that's what he's trained to do. And being 'physically incapable' of taking down a madman with a knife single-handedly and unarmed is not atypical of most people, cops or not, J or not.

    That is why you arm policemen and instruct and repeatedly train them on the proper procedure for choosing to discharge their weapon.

    The officer acted in accordance with his training, and did a good job.

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    tokyotom

    Yes, one would think that someone would have caught onto it, or raised some alarms.

    how many posts do you think are out there in cyberspace?

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    Fair dinkum!

    I just watched the video of the arrest again and as much as the police did seem to be in control they also looked very complacent and were actually polite to this fiend. I know his treatment in Oz or the US would have been much more severe and the blood on his head would have been his own. He was also cuffed with his hands in front of him. I've never seen that anywhere else but here. It's very odd that the J-cops can be so polite to this guy, but they are complete a_holes when it comes to checking one's gaijin card for authenticity. There is no surprise the threats made on the website were ignored. This whole event is being ignored by staff of the Jp high school I work in. No comments what-so-ever!

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    rtrhead1

    Yes, cleo, it is atypical of most people who also have a weapon and training to not be able to subdue someone. He got clubbed by the officer, who couldn't even take the man down even though he had a weapon with the advantage of leverage and momentum. Have you ever handled the batons that the police have? They aren't lightweight, and they can do some damage. He was inefficient and weak. I don't think in this instance he should have discharged his weapon, however I do think that he shouldn't be so useless as to not be able to subdue a man when he has the superior training and the tools that he had. A tazer would have been a good choice...

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    Noripinhead

    An ominous message. How would you translate "Minna sayonara"? It's sayonara for everyone?

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    Zen_Builder

    rtrhead1 and the other nay-sayers.

    Join the cops and show them what they do wrong, you guys got ALL the answers and seem to better than them.

    Come on join up and show us how things should be done. You are all BIG men that can subdue anyone(legally).

    Just tired of the arm-chair warriors that are 6"4' 300 pounds and got all the answers.

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    timorborder

    The arresting officer did his job well enough. Indeed, after the dust has settled, he will probably get some form of commendation. To all of you think that he should have shot first and asked questions later, I would remind you that we are talking about the police and not some redneck posse member. Police are trained to only use their weapons as a last resort, this cop had the guy cornered, and at that time, he wasn't a danger to anybody. Of course, the cop would have been justified in shooting this SOB if he refused to drop the knife or charged at the cop. However, I don't think this happened. Moreover, you have to remember that in the current day and age, with regard to using force, every Tom, Dick and Taro has a mobile phone able to record a policeman's every movement. For this reason alone, the old-style hard-nosed approach is on the way out. Also, to assume that the Japanese police cannot take somebody down is a big mistake. At the same time, however, if the policeman in this incident used judo to drop this guy on his head (and kill him), his superiors would have been most upset (not to mention the zombies at NHK and the commercial networks).
    Finally, with regard to this SOB and his motivations, if these mobile phone posts were actually his, they point to a person looking for attention and somewhat out of touch with reality (a latter day John Wilkes Booth). As such, it rather upsets me that we (JT readers), the mass media , etc. are satisfying this SOB's desire for attention by engaging in discussions about him. Considering this, I truly hope he his thrown into a deep, dark hole and forgotten about until his trial (and subsequent execution).

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    romulus3

    rtrhead1,

    atypical of most people who also have a weapon and training to not be able to subdue someone. He got clubbed by the officer, who couldn't even take the man down even though he had a weapon with the advantage of leverage and momentum. Have you ever handled the batons that the police have? They aren't lightweight, and they can do some damage. He was inefficient and weak.

    A man that full of adrenaline and with human blood is in his mouth, and carnage in his wake, would have been quite superhuman at that point I think. If you see a guy like that, run. if you do not have a gun, you are going down. even then he could take 3 bullets and still kill you before a drops. full psychotic rage knows no pain. he would have the power of ten men.

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    williamsmith

    Sounds like "Grand Theft Auto". Do many Japanese play this video game?

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    TheguyNextdoor

    arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.

    How can you be arrested on suspicion of murder, when there were bodies lying on the ground. I have yet to see the footage of this lunatics arrest, but am sure he was in another place that the blows he took from the baton did not faze him. I have had experience with an officers baton, they do some damage and for him to have taken the hits as some of you point out...he had to be on something or just totally gone. I read in another article he was grunting when he was stabbing his victims......he was crazy.. I don't think he should recieve the insanity plea, death will do him just fine. R.I.P victims.....

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    cleo

    Join the cops and show them what they do wrong

    The JT tuff guys would not pass the stringent tests needed to become a cop. The Rambo types are dropped at the first hurdle - they don't even get to the second interview, never mind into the training.

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    romulus3

    quote:

    *Reports said the attacker grunted and roared as he slashed and stabbed at shoppers crowding a street lined with huge stores packed with the latest in computers, electronics, videos and games.

    "He was screaming as he was stabbing people at random," a male witness told national broadcaster NHK.*

    yep. I certainly would have run for it. Krav Maga X 1000 ain't stopping someone that pumped..I am sure that Cop belted him as hard as he could with that baton. The slasher would have fely nothing. adrenaline X 10 X 10 for sure. The cop did well not to drop him with the gun. now we all get to hate this guy and see him swing.

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    rtrhead1

    Zen, are you telling me there was only one officer? And, judging by the way that the police deal with suspects/persons of interest/people who are suspicious when they run, you darn right we should expect them to be able to stop him. What if he ran from the cops and wanted to kill someone else? What if he attacked the officer? What then? He would probably just lie down and take it. How many instances of cowardice and uselessness do we need to see before we can criticise the police? As far as joining, when's the last time a foreigner was even seen in the police force? Hmm? I've been here a while, and I can tell you I haven't seen any.

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    rtrhead1

    romulus, the officer did have a gun. And other tools at his disposal...

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    Zen_Builder

    rtrhead1.

    Suit yourself, looks like nothing anyone will say can sway your viewpoint. have fun.

    You appear to know it all and can do it all.

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    rtrhead1

    Just because some of us hate to see police who are afraid of their own shadow, doesn't make us "Rambo" types. As far as the "stringent" tests, if you've ever looked at many of the slobs on duty here, I don't think many of us would have trouble getting through.

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    rtrhead1

    I don't know it all, I just know what I see. Speeding, running red lights, kids hopping around in moving cars, people running barefoot from the cops, police armed with guns running from men with pipes. I don't know, overall pretty pathetic.

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    timorborder

    Romulus - Learning martial arts is all really good and fun. However, when doodoo hits the fan, as an old Sgt. Major (a friend of my grandfather and winner of the Victoria Cross) said, "the only thing that will save you is pure, hard aggression." The assailant in this case was obviously pumped to the eyes on adrenalin, considering this, the cop in question did a pretty good job.

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    romulus3

    rtrhead1, dude, once the cop got to the scene the killing stopped. who cares how he stopped the guy. he did it. The cop is a hero. Next would you have him kill the guy right there? what an easy out for him. now the cops are gonna tear him to pieces. this guy is gonna suffer the worst human rights deprivation is history. there is nothing they will not mete out on him. I for one can a find a tiny amount of consolation in the fact that he will not escape justice and its going to be hell for him for however much longer he has left.

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    rtrhead1

    Sure he will. Have you seen the latest criminal sentances? I don't have much faith in the courts of almost any country recently.

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    jerseyboy

    timorborder...for the record, I did NOT say the police officer "should have shot first and asked questions later" (Very colorful, but off point.) What I maintain is that the officer should have DRAWN his weapon as soon as confronted by an imminent threat. His attempt to subdue Kato proved fruitless, so all he did is subject himself and possibly others to more harm. It was only when threatened by the use of deadly force that Kato relented. And, cleo, there is nothing "Rambo" about that. Just common sense, and, in many places, standard police procedure.

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    rtrhead1

    Cool man. The cops here rock. None of them are useless or cowards. I guess my eyes have fooled me, yet again. My bad.

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    northlondon

    A good discussion going on here and we all know just how poor the Japanese police have been recently but credit where credit is due and we should applaud the cops when they do a good job (like the guy did yesterday).

    There is a big difference between being critical of the police and being a cop hater. I don't think any of us want to be seen as the latter.

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    frontandcentre

    I disagree that the police did a good job - they must've been right on the spot in the middle of Akihabara and this maniac still had the time to run over 3 people, then get out and kill 7 plus injure many more. They should've shot him

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    thundercat

    rtrhead1,

    You don't think this guy will be in solitary until he is put to death?

    BTW, from what I have read, the police officer in question chased the guy down, dis-armed him and prevented further killing without killing the suspect who can now face punishment. Pulling out a gun and yelling 'Freeze' isn't going to do much to stop that crazy bastard but whacking him in the head a couple of times and then pulling out a gun seems to have done the trick. What else do you want?

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    romulus3

    OK. The police did well not to open fire in a heavily populated area and gun down civilians in their attempt to stop and maniac on a psychotic adrenaline fueled rampage. One again, when the cop got to the scene, the rampage ended and he got his man. he is a damn hero. he did not panic and open fire where there were crowds of people who could have been shot. he did the right thing. This is not a time to maintain anti Japanese rhetoric. This is not a time to criticize Japanese police. but we can however criticize the mobile posting sites in Japan which let child porn, suicide, and murderous rampage threats go unnoticed. but of course there may be 1000s of such threats daily for them to sort through. we just don't know.

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    timorborder

    Good post thunder "whacking him in the head a couple of times and then pulling out a gun seems to have done the trick." Nothing like loosening a couple of teeth.

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    rtrhead1

    No, I don't think he will be in solitary until/if he is put to death. He will probably claim he was crazy, and be released in far less time than he deserves.

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    romulus3

    rtr,

    not this guy man. he is going to the gallows.

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    timorborder

    This guy is going to swing, it is just a matter of time. He is going to be a "friend" of Tsutomu Miyazaki, etc. and he ain't coming out.

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    rtrhead1

    I say again, tazer. Immediately puts him down. If he wasn't high on meth or something, he would've went down immediately. Hopefully he would pull through it, but if not, he just killed 7. Will you shed a tear?

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    timorborder

    He also is not going to be allowed into the general prison population.

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    rtrhead1

    I truly do hope so romulus. At least we can agree on that, I hope.

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    thundercat

    Really? Have you forgotten about the crazy who offed 8 kids in Osaka? That guy was certifiable. A complete nutter. He was in solitary for 3 years and then executed. There is no way a an insanity plea will mitigate this guys actions. My guess is that he will never spend one more second of his life outside of prison.

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    tkoind2

    This cop did a good job stopping this guy and taking him alive. But the reality remains that cops here are very ill prepared to deal with real threats. That simple.

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    romulus3

    RTR,

    I would also like to back pepper spray and tazors but would hate to see the cops get them out as a matter of routine when checking alien cards.

    Thunder, Actually yesterday was the 1 year anniversary of that stabbing spree. scary. However as murderous rampages are on the rise, I expect this guy will be made an example of.

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    telecasterplayer

    This suspect is just another weak-minded marginalized dweeb, the same time that always seems to be at the heart of these outburst killings. It was gratifying to the photos and video of the arrest. The guy wasn't bleeding from the head when he was standing up, but he was after the cop had him down on the ground. Why did the arresting officer cuff the suspect with hands in front? Is that a common procedure in Japan?

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    romulus3

    Actually yesterday was the 1 year anniversary of that stabbing spree

    I mean the anniversary, skip the 1 year. my bad English again...

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    northlondon

    I disagree that the police did a good job - they must've been right on the spot in the middle of Akihabara and this maniac still had the time to run over 3 people, then get out and kill 7 plus injure many more. They should've shot him

    It seems that frontandcentre would like an armed police state ready to open fire on anyone suspected of a crime in any place before assessing the situation correctly. That would be nice wouldn't it.

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    frontandcentre

    If the guy really is mentally ill, then he should be treated in a secure hospital until he is fit to be rehabilitated into society - presumably for the rest of his natural life. If he isn't, then throw the book at him. He should not be executed, but should be required to atone for his crimes every day until he dies

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    romulus3

    North,

    I reckon the cops did assess the situation correctly. You cannot open fire into a teething mass of people. simple as that.

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    rtrhead1

    Hmm, by assessing the situation you mean watching him run his truck into a group of people and getting out and stabbing people? Then thinking about it to make sure that what you think you saw is what you actually saw? And the police are armed. But when you see someone do something like this, how much longer would you have them wait?

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    rtrhead1

    Okay, romulus put what I was thinking into words. front, if he is a true sociopathic person, why waste the money on keeping him around, knowing that someone like that will never atone for what he did because he didn't and won't ever see it as wrong. Just a means to an end.

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    rtrhead1

    I meant a means to an end, in his eyes.

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    Heda_Madness

    It took five minutes from when the guy ploughed his truck into the people, to when he was arrested. I'd say that the police did well to get the subject under control so quickly.

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    tkoind2

    The worst thing to do is to overreact and start calling for some kind of knee jerk police state with cops ready to taser anyone who looks a bit risky.

    The problems are societal and will not go away until addressed. Enforcement will more likely just make life worst for the general population and may compromise the fragile freedoms in this nation.

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    rtrhead1

    So, you're saying don't enforce. Interesting theory. Problem is, this guy didn't look risky. He looked like he just ran into a crowd with a truck and started stabbing. Seems like the perfect example of someone who should've been tased or had the stuffing knocked out of him (without killing him, I know).

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    DeepAir65

    I would lay money on most of the people saying there should be more monitoring of the internet would then say that the internet is too heavily policed. There are so many pages around then you have to weed out news sites relating stories - or do you? The task is huge and we only know this now because the police have the mans mobile phone and/or someone has put two and two together.

    Japanese society is breaking down with all the NEETS and FREETS and whatevers.

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    thundercat

    Seems like the perfect example of someone who should've been tased or had the stuffing knocked out of him (without killing him, I know).

    Did you miss the part when it was reported that the officer hit him with a baton?

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    tclh

    If this character is "tired of living",according to himself,then why he did stop his madness in front of police's gun?He liked to stab people but don't want to be shot,heh?

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    romulus3

    The names of those who lost their lives in this tragedy are: Mai Muto (武藤 舞) - 21 Katsuhiko Nakamura (中村 勝彦) - 74 Kazunori Fujino (藤野 和倫) - 19 Mitsuru Matsui (松井 調理師) - 33 Kazuhiro Koiwa (小岩 和弘) - 47 Naoki Miyamoto (宮本 直樹) - 31 Takahiro Kawaguchi (川口 隆裕) - 19

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    Nessie

    Yup. What Rom said.

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    cwhite

    I guess those who criticize the police this time round just don't realize how easy it is to run people over and start stabbing insanely in a crowded area. In any case the police first have to come on site, access the situation instantly (dude isn't carrying a gun or spraying something) run after him (not shoot blindly into a crowd), corner him and take him down (preferably without killing him). If you can do all that in under 5 minutes then I would say he did a great job.

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    Patrick Smash

    People are so huung up his sentence, and so worried he'll get off with an insanity plea. Yeah right. What will happen is he will be charged, he will be found guilty, and he will rot away in a little cell all by himself for a few years. Every time he hears footsteps in the corridor he will wonder whether his time has come or not. And one day, probably in about 3 to 4 years time, he'll go to the gallows. he will not get off, absolutely no way. This is a definite suspended sentence, and let's face it, a thoroughly deserved one.

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    rtrhead1

    Good pun, nicely done.

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    isthistheend

    JT readers. Tell me, how long before this is going to happen to one of us. And I'm not ignoring those wonderful women who've been removed from this earthly plane by the perverts. Not only are the looneys increasing, but it feels like its now more than ever before they're increasing AND they're itching for a fight on the local trains. How much longer till WE start blowing our stacks? That's a question I'd like to here from some of our "I'll take it only so far and then"....members. thanks for your thoughts. And one more, I was looking for the "button" you push when you see strange people or objects in a train, but couldn't find anyone on the Yamanote line I was riding. What do you do in such cases. You know, the elbow forcefully in the back, the cosmetic applying-elbows to the wind OL, the farter, well that one we have to just suck it up but....

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    bighandedtwat

    It's pathetic to hear human scum mumble about how they don't want to live anymore. if they actually believed this dribble than they would take their own miserable lives and let the rest of the world get on with theirs. the worst thing about these lowlifes, apart from their lack of respect for others, is their lack of imagination. had they any they would be able to make something, anything out of the shady corners of society which they hide in. instead they destroy others in a pathetic attempt to gain some attention

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    bandogeek

    Such a terrible story.

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    MadamK82

    I agree with the posters who said it was good that the cop didn't open fire. As many people as there were in the area and as chaotic as everything was, more innocent people would have been struck down. It's incredibly creepy that he gave a play by play of what he was doing. He was begging to be stoppped. Like a last ditch effort to see if someone, anyone, would acknowledge his existence on this planet, and nobody did. But that's neither here nor there, he's a horrible human being and should be put down like the monster he is. And can someone explain to me the current state of the Japanese mental health system? Was this the first time he demonstrated the fact that he had some serious issues or is there a demented background they haven't mentioned?

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    flammenwerfer

    Monday that the weapon used was a dagger knife, rather than a survival knife as they had said the previous day

    indeed it was, I noticed that when I saw it lying on the ground in the news footage, there is a big difference. Daggers are symmetrical and doubled edged- the perfect stabbing weapon. Survival knives are what John Rambo used and aren't that great for stabbing, they are cutting and slashing weapons. He wouldnt have inflicted so much carnage in such a short time with out the lethal dagger in his hands - this bolsters the case that he knew exactly what he was doing. Mamoru Takuma at the Ikeda School used a Kitchen knife, had he been using a dagger too he would have slaughtered many more innocent kids that he did.

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    tkoind2

    rtrhead1; I'm not saying don't enforce. I'm saying react in a manner that helps.

    Look at it this way. If the reaction is to start searching everyone the police think is "suspicious" then we compromise human rights. If we start monitoring everything on the web then we violate everyone's privacy.

    What makes more sense is for the government to work to address the causes of the problems. And that means taking a long hard look at modern Japanese society and acknowledging a lot of things that are broken. It means funding mental healthcare and councelling for children, young people and adults. It means working to weave a stronger social fabric to help invest individuals in life and society rather than allowing them to become alienated. It means making better provision for people to be involved with their families with more rational work hours.

    Yes we can monitor the web, but not to invade privacy. We can do so to study what is happening to people and to look for solutions. This guy is not a lone character. We've seen a lot of this behavior and we will see more. So if we don't understand and address what is causing it, no amount of web monitoring or spot searches on the streets will help. Because the number and random nature of these attacks will be too much for an ill prepared police force to deal with. Our only security rests in getting to the cause and doing something about it. Then maybe we can avoid this kind of tragedy in the future.

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    kinniku

    I also agree that the fact that the police stopped this man without firing a shot is a good thing. While I understand the emotional responses and split-second desires for the suspect to have been taken down violently by gunfire. The reality is that I personally don't want the police to use their guns unless other options have been tried, have failed and there are no other options. I keep thinking of all the other people in the area that could have been it by a stray bullet and that were not because of this police officer's cool headed reaction.

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    LFRAgain

    The police did as much as they could do in a situation like this. To their credit, they took him down as soon as they got on the scene, according to the accounts I've seen and read. It's one thing to physically confront a drunk swinging his fists. It's entirely another to go after someone swinging a knife who has already proven his ability and willingness to kill. Kudos to the police for preventing more deaths in this madness.

    I'm always on the fence when it comes to the death penalty, but to wantonly take people's lives like this... It just pushes me towards endorsing the death penalty a little bit more each time.

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    SiouxGirl

    I'm living my life anyway and I will be to Japan to visit. About a month ago there was a drive-by in my neighborhood where my neighbor's and my homes were hit by gunfire. At the corner of my block live, it's rumored, 2 teenaged gang members. I was at work(!!) and got a call telling me about the shooting. I was afraid for a while but then decided to live my life without being afraid but live well, being ready to go at any time. In life we are in death, and I don't mean to be cavalier about that, but it is true. My prayers are with you, families and friends.

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    westurn

    "I agree with the posters who said it was good that the cop didn't open fire. As many people as there were in the area"

    No there weren't ! Video and still photos clearly show it was only the police officer and Kato who had his back to a wall, nothing behind but building. Realizing the spree was over, Kato simply dropped the knife, no the officer did not disarm him, and kneeled down as the officer held him. Other news reports then say that two other officers then showed up, "late". I'm not sure why the media reports are writing this, but they seem to be badgering the police for their slow response. After all, Kato had 5-7 minutes with which to walk around slashing and bludgeoning his victims. The choice of a knife made it more effective as news reports indicate that nobody knew what was happening till the third or fourth victim actually screamed out they had been stabbed ! Now I have been to this location and have walked the area. 17 people in 5 minutes could only happen if nobody knew what was happening. In most cases, Kato silently walked up from behind and thrust his dagger into the backsides, slicing the liver open. Wow, what a killing machine this guy with a knife was ! With a koban just around the corner and the Akihabara police out in full force, why did it take so long for help to arrive ? That seems to be the direction the media here are headed. I for one would like to see these daggers and survival knives banned in this country ! Too easy to conceal, too silent when being used to slash and maim. Enough already, this is not the first incident here in Japan but rather an ongoing stream of mayhem that seems to be on the rise. Kowaii !

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    Heda_Madness

    No there weren't ! Video and still photos clearly show it was only the police officer and Kato who had his back to a wall, nothing behind but building. Realizing the spree was over, Kato simply dropped the knife, no the officer did not disarm him, and kneeled down as the officer held him.

    So Kato realized the spree was over... but this had nothing to do with the police officer? He just threw away his knife because he was done? And then, when he was unarmed the policeman hit him with his baton. And the pictures of the policeman with a gun and Kato with a knife were most likely photoshopped.

    Oh yeah, and 5 minutes for the police to arrive after the first incident. That's dreadful isn't it?

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    westurn

    Great post heda madness... truly a well thought out post. Bwahaha !

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    Heda_Madness

    Care to respond to these comments:

    So Kato realized the spree was over... but this had nothing to do with the police officer? He just threw away his knife because he was done? And then, when he was unarmed the policeman hit him with his baton.

    No? Didn't think so.

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    westurn

    Whats to comment on ? The errors appear to be yours not mine. The initial police reports indicated that Kato was weakly struck by an officer on the arm, ran away, and was then confronted in the street again where he obviously ran out of gas, dropped his knife and gave up. All photos clearly show that the knife is on the ground when the police officer pulled his gun, page 3 of the yomiuri has a photo of the lone officer approaching, baton and gun in hand. Kato's hands are partially raised with no dagger in sight. So what are you on about hedamadness ? Whats yer beef ? Do you want us to believe that the police struck the knife from Katos hands ? Take a look at "Japan Probe", look at all the photos. I especially like the one of the officer putting his gun back in its holster while the obviously fatigued Kato just whimpishly stands there ! Also, take a look at the plain clothesed officer actually doing most of the holding of Kato... Oh and don't forget to notice some of Japans finest youths as they yuk it up for the live television feeds from the killing zone.

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    Heda_Madness

    I don't know how he could run out of gas when he apparently 'ambled along the street killing people'.

    From what I and many posters on here, who don't have agendas, have seen is that the police did a good job.

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    westurn

    Gee, heda, I'm thinking killing seven people and injuring another ten might take the wind outta anybodys sails ! Whatever the case, Japanprobe clearly states that Kato "dropped" the knife when the officer pulled his gun. So no, it was not whacked from his hand by a baton. Thank god that officer had his gun ! It was the only thing that made Kato drop his weapon ! Ya gotta ask yerself, how many lives did that gun save ???

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    Heda_Madness

    Police arrive. Man arrested. No more dead.

    But that all happened because he was tired.

    And that's my final point on the subject because it's pointless arguing facts with someone with such an anti Japan stance.

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    westurn

    "Police arrive. Man arrested. No more dead. But that all happened because he was tired."

    So it appears ! Care to to speculate on anything else ? Like the possibility that some unarmed citizen may have overpowered him ? Gee I've heard of it happening. Or gee maybe he woulda knifed himself ! Thats a possibility too. But to try and lay his capture on the brave deeds of the police ? Well, the facts don't bear that out do they. He simply stopped ! A single armed police officer moved in and it was over. Again, thank god for the gun !

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    cleo

    westurn -

    I had a look at the photos on Japan Probe. Does the fact that Kato is just standing whimpishly (actually it looks as though he's about to collapse and the officer is holding him up with one hand) somehow reflect on the officer? Will only a fists-flying, knock-him-unconscious-to-the-ground arrest satisfy you?

    In the photo where ' Kato's hands are partially raised with no dagger in sight' ...er... actually Kato's right hand is hidden by his body and is nowhere in sight. The dagger is not on the ground... hmm, could it be that he's still holding it in his right hand as the officer approaches, drawing his gun? From Yomiuri Online - The sergeant, 41, seeing that the man was holding the knife in his right hand and offering resistance, edged closer with his baton raised. He drew his pistol and ordered the man to drop his weapon, at which point the fight seemed to go out of the suspect. He dropped his knife.

    And what about the plain-clothes officer? Do you want him to rush back to the koban and change into uniform before he performs his duty?

    What's your beef, westurn?

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    cleo

    Like the possibility that some unarmed citizen may have overpowered him ? Gee I've heard of it happening.

    Not in this case you haven't. Again from Yomiuri Online - The sergeant restrained him on the street with the assistance of a 22-year-old officer from the police box who arrived at the scene late and a 39-year-old off-duty senior policeman from Kuramae Police Station, who happened to be present at the scene.

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    westurn

    Ah, Cleo's in the house...

    "Will only a fists-flying, knock-him-unconscious-to-the-ground arrest satisfy you?"

    No, but the photo adds support to my argument that Kato simply ran out of gas and gave up. Personally though, I tend to agree with the on site bystanders who were yelling at the officer to put a bullet in his knee !

    "He drew his pistol and ordered the man to drop his weapon, at which point the fight seemed to go out of the suspect. He dropped his knife."

    Hmmm, isn't that what I said ? Seems hedamadness wants us to believe the officer "struck" the weapon from Katos hand... rubbish ! Upon looking down the barrel of a revolver Kato dropped his weapon. Any comment on the use of a gun to save lives Cleo ?

    "And what about the plain-clothes officer? Do you want him to rush back to the koban and change into uniform before he performs his duty?"

    No probs with the plainsclothes officer... but where were the "uniformed" officers ??? The word I've heard is that this off duty cop was just in the area !

    "What's your beef, westurn?"

    Japan ! Too damn dangerous ! Now, how about that gun Cleo ?

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    westurn

    "The sergeant restrained him on the street with the assistance of a 22-year-old officer from the police box who arrived at the scene late..."

    Sqwabbling aside Cleo, what's yer take on this:

    "a 22-year-old officer from the police box who arrived at the scene late"

    Why the emphasis on "late" ? Not my words mind you, but there seems to be some editorializing here.

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    Heda_Madness

    "He drew his pistol and ordered the man to drop his weapon, at which point the fight seemed to go out of the suspect. He dropped his knife."

    Hmmm, isn't that what I said ? Seems hedamadness wants us to believe the officer "struck" the weapon from Katos hand... rubbish !

    Say what?

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    kinniku

    westurn,

    What's specifically your complaint about the officer's actions? There certainly were people nearby (someone took the photos you've viewed for example), they could have been hit by stray bullets. This is not an impossible scenerio.

    Let's say, just for the sake of debate, that the officers heeded the words you say were spoken by bystanders, tried to shoot the suspect in the knee. If the suspect moved, it is possible for the bullet to ricochet off a wall or other object and hit an innocent person.

    The suspect put down his weapon solely because of the police officer's actions and no further lives were lost. Now the suspect can be tried and hopefully punished for his crimes.

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    cleo

    Any comment on the use of a gun to save lives Cleo ?

    Yes, I'm pleased he didn't have to shoot. And that the officers involved in the arrest were unharmed.

    I haven't seen any posts by Heda claiming the officer struck the weapon from Kato's hand.

    Sqwabbling aside Cleo, what's yer take on this: "a 22-year-old officer from the police box who arrived at the scene late" Why the emphasis on "late" ?

    Is there an emphasis? I don't think so. Probably simply a not-very-good translation of 後で, ie after the sergeant had pulled the gun.

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    Zen_Builder

    kinniku is right.

    There were also 2 stabbed people just a few meatures away from where the guy got arrested.

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    Zen_Builder

    meters

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    westurn

    "The suspect put down his weapon solely because of the police officer's actions"

    Which was ??? The Gun ! Until that time Kato stood there panting and wheezing like a scumbag who had just offed 7 and injured 10 ! Get it right folks !

    And Cleo... why didn't the papers say "showed up quickly/hurriedly/immediately ??? Because "late" seemed more appropriate. Again, not my word... the medias !

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    rtrhead1

    I think, Cleo, that he's pointing out that in this case, the GUN saved lives, not the cop. If it wasn't for the GUN, he may very well have continued. He didn't quit when the cop got there, he didn't quit when he got hit with the baton. He finally gave up when he was looking down the barrel of a GUN. That is a big argument with you since you have taken a huge anti-gun stance.

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    kinniku

    westurn,

    Certainly, the gun helped in this situation. There is little doubt of that. The point I am making is that the police officer did not need to shoot the gun in order to arrest the suspect. Personally, I am glad about that and think it was the safest way to handle this particular situation. Some seem to be disatisfied because the suspect was not blown away in a hail of bullets. While I certainly understand this emotional reaction, I am glad it was not the first thing to come to this police officer's mind.

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    cleo

    I agree with everything kinniku says about the gun, except the bit about understanding the desire to have the loser blown away in a hail of bullets. That, I don't understand.

    westurn - If you had a basic grounding in Japanese you would know better than to get all hot over a simple and extremely common mistranslation. No one (apart from you) is suggesting that the young officer from the koban did not do his job properly.

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    kinniku

    cleo,

    Let me see if I can clarify what I wrote. Even though we are humans and we generally try to act logically and justly, there are times when upon seeing or hearing something we react with our natural (and often illogical) emotions. We put ourselves in the positions of the victims and their families and feel a sudden pain in our hearts that makes us desire retribution. Look at very small children, when one is hit, they often hit right back. Of course, we know this is not correct in a civilized society and that we should not expect police to actually act like vigilantes dispencing 'justice' at will. However, it sometimes relieves the stress and shock for some people to say the suspect should be dead, too.

    Personally, I did not feel this reaction. I was just happy it was over and no further deaths occurred. However, human nature being human nature, I can understand angry at the suspect being directed through words of violence. That is as long as these words are never followed by actual physical violence.

    I saw the family on TV this morning and although I have no sympathy for the suspect (regardless of his reported sorrow and tears) I do feel for his family and the emotional and social burden they have to face.

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    westurn

    Yer reaching Cleo... "a simple and extremely common mistranslation."

    If its "so common" why does it continue ? And if it's "so common" why should any of us believe anything posted here at Japantoday ? Are you suggesting that JT needs to "up" the quality of their reporting ? Rather bold statement, aren't you afraid of biting the hand that feeds you ?

    Kinniku...

    "I do feel for his family and the emotional and social burden they have to face."

    Do you not feel for Tomohiro Kato as well ? He has said again and again that his parents treated him as "nobody", as if he werent even there. Now really, what kind of "parents" would act so horribly towards their own child. Sadly to say, my experience here indicates that this is the norm. A part of Japanese culture that is in dire need of extermination. Japanese parents show no love towards their children. They are only there to take tests and go to work for some big J Inc. company. There is no emotional support, no hugs, no kisses, only condemnation and focus on failure. It is so sad and the consequences... well 7 dead, 10 injured !

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    cleo

    If its "so common" why does it continue ?

    I'm sure you can enjoy yourself answering that yourself on the appropriate thread, the next time JT throws up the topic of the dire state of English education in Japan.

    Are you suggesting that JT needs to "up" the quality of their reporting ?

    As far as I know JT doesn't do any reporting, they just recycle stuff from Kyodo et al. It has been suggested by others in the past that maybe Kyodo could up the level of their translations. But in any case, the quote in question came from Yomiuri Online, not from JT.

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    westurn

    "JT doesn't do any reporting, they just recycle stuff"

    Which abolishes them of all content responsibility ? I think not ! "Gee officer I just sell the stuff, I didn't know it was poison" ! Sheesh !

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    kinniku

    westurn,

    Oh course, I do feel bad that he had a hard time. However, there are people all over Japan and all over this world who have it hard and manage to find some way to overcome. Ultimately, it is the choice of the individual how they use the life they have been given. We can see people every day who deal with barriers both emotional and physical and do not resort to taking out their hard times on others.

    By the way, although it certainly possible the parents made mistakes, it is also possible that the suspect's mental instability caused him to see his relationships with others in ways that were far from the actual reality. This includes his ideas about what others thought about him.

    However, more than him and his family, etc, I feel for the victims who had nothing at all to do with his misery and yet had to suffer for it.

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    cleo

    westurn -

    The quote you're getting all hot about was from Yomiuri, not JT.

    Remember, the newspaper you were waxing all lyrical about yesterday? Telling us how good their reporting was?

    Maybe you need to change your newspaper.

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    westurn

    "However, there are people all over Japan and all over this world who have it hard and manage to find some way to overcome."

    Many in Japan though are resulting to violence like murder, assault, and suicide. These are actions against a society they feel has wronged them.

    I too feel for the innocent victims. But I place blame on the "straight-jacket" society Japan has created and refuses to change... even though the world around them demands more. The Japanese are no longer an isolated nation. They see how others live. Many wish to emulate this but simply cant... they are thus stuck in a society so rigid that it eventually smothers them. Again, Tomohiro Kato is only one of thousands of powderkegs out there. All products of a Japanese society that not only refuses to bend but has become more stringent over the years. When the economy collapsed they were told to "work harder" ! When change didn't occur they were told to "gamman" ! Now that the future is awash with pension, old age, unemployment, and further economic hardships, well... this is the results. The mayhem you saw in Akihabara is not over. I'm sure right now plotters and evil doers are busy schemeing away. Whats it gonna be ? Gas on the train line ? Arson ? Bombs ? With Japans high population density the possibilities for devastation are staggering. And for what ? A lack of love ! I think Japan can do better !

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    westurn

    Cleo: "Maybe you need to change your newspaper."

    Or maybe you need to drop the simplistic "mistranslation" angle, these are paid professionals are they not ?

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    kinniku

    westurn,

    We each have our opinions, of course. I have to disagree with your assessment of the present situation in Japan, however. As far as why more crimes are being committed now, I think there are many reasons. One of the biggest factors is not social as much as economic. Bad economy/bad prospects=higher crime rate, at least in developing nations. You mention the 'straight-jacket' society. However, I wonder how you have come to the conclusion that this suspect was driven to this because of Japanese society. Contrary to your description of things becoming more stringent over the years, I see quite the opposite. Parents are less likely to disipline their children (vocally or otherwise) than they were 20 years ago. Teachers and schools disipline much less than they did years ago. So many children in this country hardly ever hear the word 'no' that when they finally do, they cannot take the 'criticism'.

    As far as Japanese people being told to 'work harder' or to 'persevere'. I don't believe there is this universal societal voice telling them this. Quite the opposite actually, in recent years more and more young people are choosing not to work for companies and to be 'freelancers' as it were. In addition, more and more Japanese company workers are expecting more and more benefits and perks for their time.

    I do agree 100% when you write that Japan can do better. One of the areas where there could be improvement is the area of communication. Children need to be taught and encouraged to express themselves on a daily basis, both at home and in the classroom. They also need to learn how to take criticism of their opinions in stride. If the suspect had been able to express his frustrations to people around him instead of on the internet, this might never have happened.

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    cleo

    these are paid professionals are they not ?

    And that makes them infallible? OK. Remember the police, who you love to pick holes in, are also paid professionals. If the paid professional judges it right not to shoot a wimpy (finally) unarmed loser in the street, who are you to naysay his actions?

    Goose, sauce. Gander, ditto.

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    westurn

    kinniku... if I may:

    "You mention the 'straight-jacket' society. However, I wonder how you have come to the conclusion that this suspect was driven to this because of Japanese society."

    Kato was a slave to his job. He made 1,300 yen an hour but managed to bring home a reported 300,000 a month. Doing the math would indicate a person working, or being at work, the typical Japanese 12-14 hour day. Throw in transport back and forth to work and there ya go... a slave to corporate Japan. Being a part-timer made the noose tighter, no benefits, no rights, no voice, just a common worker ant with no way out !

    Kato also talked about his education. How he worked and worked, followed the rules slaved away... only to be rejected.

    He talked of uglyness. One of Japans worst societal ills... its obsessive attitudes towards appearance. Of course not much Kato could do about that, but the straight-jacket was tightening and tightening.

    "Parents are less likely to disipline their children (vocally or otherwise) than they were 20 years ago."

    Boy you woulda thought different had you been with me today. I watched one parent after another nagging away at their 4-6 year old children at the fitness club I go to. These kyoiku mamas were all over the poor darlings for doing "dara-dara" and not gambatting enough. Made me absolutely sick to have to listen to... good god their little kids ! Buncha bitchy witches... I better leave it at that, but it really got my blood boiling ! Nothing but 100% mental abuse ! And that Kinniku is not discipline !

    "As far as Japanese people being told to 'work harder' or to 'persevere'. I don't believe there is this universal societal voice telling them this."

    This was analogy taken from the time right after the bubble burst. For many older... 30+ers this was and still is the norm. As for your observations on the young ... I totally agree, buncha lazy oafs with no work ethic ! Just the three K's "ketais-Komics-karaoke" ! This lost generation, as described by Time and Newsweek, is at the heart of Japan's pessimistic future. These individuals have ushered in a variety of new vocabulary, none of which to be proud of... parasite singles, neets, freetas, hikikomori etc.

    Cleo...

    "And that makes them infallible?"

    No just damn lazy if the do, as you stated, continue to mistake "a simple and extremely common mistranslation." !!! Which is it Cleo, get yer story straight now, I'm getting bored !

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    kinniku

    westurn,

    Seriously, thank you for your detailed and heart-felt response. I understand what you have written. However, reading what you have written without knowing you were referring to Japan, I could imagine you were writing about many first world countries today. For example, the switch to hourly wage, part-time employment from standard company positions with benefits is a problem many countries have now. This is an economic dilemna. I think that is why we find so many happier people in less developed countries.

    As far as, his feelings of ugliness and rejection, I doubt he is unique in the world in this as well. However, his reaction to his feelings is still, fortunately, rare. The problem is not that he felt ugly or that he felt rejected. It is that he was not equipped to deal with his feelings and to seek help when he needed it.

    As far as the 'kyoiku mamas' you witnessed. I can speak to them, as I don't know them. I do know there is a general downturn in the behaviour of young people and what is expected of them. Parents have become their children's friends instead of their parents. Sure, there are crazy parents who push their kids (everywhere around the world), but things have gone downhill here as far as how children are expected to act and how adults react to their actions.

    We do agree though that Japan needs to wake up to the needs of its young people. It needs to talk to them and it needs to hear from them as well.

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    Raymasaki

    Zannen desu ne of course a GUN helped (the POLICE ) it wouldnt have been good if the guy had a Gun. its Good that Japan has the NO guns law. Remember the JP police do have guns for emergency only.

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    amerijap

    Jesus Christ!!

    The snapshot of cell-phone display really makes me nauseous.

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    Sarge

    amerijap - I know! Incredible, isn't it! The utter callousness...

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