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  Tahoochi at 08:26 AM JST - 19th June

  smithinjapan: To answer your question,

  Japan and Russia are the only two countries among the Group of Eight rich nations not to have banned possession of child pornography.

  http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUST35097220080808

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  Shiva78 at 08:47 AM JST - 19th June

  smithinjapan: What's with people comparing COMPLETELY unrelated laws to child pornography?

  Its not the governmental laws, smithinjapan, its the laws of criminal and deviant psychology that make the comparisons stick.

  So far I have not seen one link to research or statistics that is directly related to the topic. If you don't want to see what is indirectly related, then you leave us only guesswork and superstition, and boy is this thread full of those! It takes a hysteria to believe those are adequate reason to back a ban so vehemently. Look at this:

  herefornow: Molenir -- please read my earlier post. He has "harmed", to use your words, all young kids in Japan. Because he is legally permitted to view them as objects to satisfy his sexual perversion.

  Harmed all young kids with his mind alone? By the power of the Force? What, we have a bunch of pedophile Siths running around now? This kind of wild superstition has got to stop. Its dangerous. Comparision to the failed war on drugs is very helpful in understanding why the war on pedophilia has also failed. Its also useful in showing us more effective means.

  Moderator: Drugs are not relevant to this discussion. Stay on topic please.

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  Shiva78 at 08:59 AM JST - 19th June

  Nigelboy said: "But if it turns out that viewing child porn does not change (or even reduces) the likelihood that pedophiles will harm a child, then a ban is silly."

  SmithinJapan said: Wrong, since it doesn't change the fact that the 'actors' in the porn are children. Or do they sign waivers of consent... errr... I mean do the parents, since the kids are not 20 (or 18 in other places)?

  SmithinJapan, you changed the subject from possessing to producing. Producing real child porn is illegal in Japan already, as is the sale. Yes, we know someone had to illegally produce it. But we cannot prove that the producer made a profit. Remember the guy who was busted for getting child porn off the net and making DVDs? I think he got his stuff for free.

  Going after end users does not accomplish much good. In fact, it seems to accomplish a lot of bad. I am with Molenir that its a release valve. The greatest point by far with all of this is simply to protect the greatest amount of children that can be protected. Sadly, that can never be 100 percent. Yet, some people here argue as if it can be 100 percent. That is wishful thinking. That is hysterical thinking. That is counter-productive to the best we can do. Total removal of the release valve will just snare more children.

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  womanforwomen at 10:30 AM JST - 19th June

  No one here says or thinks that a total ban would stop this sickness. The sick people will find ways to do their sick things. But when you ban it, people would have some sort of restrain from doing anything with it. Just like the guy who did the DVDs. If it is a criminal offence to posess, or produce or do whatever then he would find some other way to make money.

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  womanforwomen at 10:45 AM JST - 19th June

  I'm a father, and will kill with my bare hands anyone who touched my son, so I hope nobody thinks I'm 'for' child porn or anything like that, but I don't think anyone should go to jail for looking at any image.

  I am proud of your natural father feelings. These other children also have fathers like you. But some man who has some sort of urge to do something unnatural,views the porn videos of other children. These videos were made some man who wanted to make money. Maybe the parents of the other children do not know that their children were used for this. Do you think it is ok? Children are children and were not meant for porn. If you had someone in your household with an unnatural desire like that would you still accept that and continue to have that person in your home along with your child? I can say that many children remember things very well from a very young age.

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  hoserfella at 12:26 PM JST - 19th June

  shiva78- where have I heard your bunk about a kiddie-porn being a natural "release-valve" before? Reminds me of one character who tried to tell us likeitis. It's pretty simple. If no one is buying the filth, then no one is abusing children to produce it.

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  smithinjapan at 01:01 PM JST - 19th June

  Shiva: "SmithinJapan, you changed the subject from possessing to producing."

  How so? If I possess a DVD, or a picture of Matsuhima Nanako, are the actors in the former no longer actors because it's my possession? Is Matsushima Nanako no longer an actress?

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  lutfreak at 11:51 PM JST - 19th June

  There was a study of pornography commisioned by the Nixon administration. Its publication was surpressed because it came ou with the wrong answers but was eventually published. It found no relation between interest in kiddy porn and pedophilia. It's hard to think there isn't some sort of relation, but apparently in most cases it's a substitute for pedophilia rather than encouraging it. I'm sure many of the kids are NOT traumatized by being 'actors' in producing pornography. After all, the adults are just doing what they always do with kids: feed them, bathe them, dress and undress them, play with them, photograph them. The kids, when discovered, are more traumatized, I suspect, by the reaction of the adults. A study on recovery from trauma finds that 80% of sexually molested kids recover and are indistinguisable from other kids in 2 years.

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  hashira at 12:25 AM JST - 20th June

  i don't think the 'demand' for child porn is causing it to happen. I highly doubt that: a)someone who has no interest in abusing children does it because they think they can sell it b) anyone is getting rich of child porn im not an expert by any means, but i think in most cases it is freely traded online. and for those confused about my stance- yes i would want to kill anyone who armed my child, and anyone who looked at images of that happening, but there are reasons we don't let victims' families decide verdicts. Crack down hard on abusers, urge help for people merely consuming.

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  hoserfella at 09:30 AM JST - 20th June

  There have been several studies performed in several different countries that suggest that those who possess kiddie-porn are more likely to molest children. Anyone who refutes this has just got their head stuck in the sand.

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  azzassa at 01:48 PM JST - 21st June

  There are many comments here that discuss this issue and yet I feel like the topic has become repeatedly hijacked by people to try and divert people from the real issue.

  The possession of child pornography containing real children for the purpose of sexual gratification is wrong. It is wrong clearly when children in these photos are victims who have been sexually abused. We already have laws against people sexually abusing children so we know it's wrong. And yet I see people defending looking at these illegal acts and gratifying themselves with the following excuses:

  Lets say the images are of a child who was molested 40 years ago? The abuser, and quite possibly the child are now deceased? Where is the limitation? Is the child repeatedly harmed everytime a photo is viewed?

  These questions, clearly show that people are trying to distort the fact that the acts in the photos are illegal and are victims in a clear CRIME. These victims can never have full justice even after their abusers have been arrested, because they know that their photos are allowed to be kept by other people legally. They continually suffer the thoughts and feel the shame that their pain and abuse are repeatedly revisited by people.

  The victim, whether dead or already old can still have family members who have been wronged against and are similarly victims. Justifying it by saying that child pornography involving real children "prevents other crimes from being committed" and "should be tolerated" are ignoring the pain, shame and suffering of past and future victims, as well as people who care for the victims.

  And yet I see people trying to divert and complicate these simple undeniable facts. You can't be seriously telling me that abused children are exactly like other children. Children still have the ability to remember and are forced to repress memories that have harmed them. And then there's the factor of the shame and pain that people who care for the children feel.

  Therefore, the clear action that should be undertaken worldwide, is that pornographic material with real children in it contain victims and should be illegal to possess. The victims have the right to have the proof of their shame removed and the perpetrators who wish to allow this shame to continue be taught that their actions cause pain in others and will not be tolerated and have their pornography be destroyed.

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  azzassa at 01:53 PM JST - 21st June

  And what I meant by sexual abuse is made clear by womenforwomen's post, where it is clearly described. Even I don't want to describe it clearly in words because it's deplorable even to imagine.

  Yet people choose to divert and confuse the topic from the clear definition of "sexual abuse" by trying to divert the issue by pointing out "bathtub photos" which are clearly very different from sexually explicit crimes.

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  usaexpat at 05:03 AM JST - 23rd June

  All well and good but let's hope that if they ban possession there is a clear definition. Is the gravure idol stuff CP, I'd have to say no as there's no nudity or sexuall acts? Is any naked picture CP, maybe but what's the context. Obviously any sort of sex act is child porn but again there have to be clear regulations and definitions. As for the counceling for victims that I support 100%.

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  BAYANI98 at 01:06 PM JST - 23rd June

  You are all aware right that for all the racket the gaijin in japan are raising about this issue, there will always be lolicon/shotacon among the nihonjin simply because it is and has always been part and parcel of Japanese Cultural Tradition. Seriously, as long as the preference here is for the "Kawaii" Aesthetic , this "problem" is never going to go away permanently or completely , because the younger the cuter. Even if the rest of the world , or at least the rest of the "Developed" World applies all the "pressure" it can , nothing will really change at all . In 1999 , they officially banned child porn/prostitution , yet 10 years after , the industries it tried to ban ( ex. U-15 ) are still going on stronger than ever . Finally , the amount of actual content coming from Japan is dropping in proportion to the amount of actual content coming from Russia and the ex-Soviet countries , so if you want to TRULY solve whatever "problem" exists , the former USSR should be made the focus , but I have yet to see any of the international organizations obsessed about this issue saying anything about that ...

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  womanforwomen at 11:48 AM JST - 24th June

  The former USSR is forgotten. There is nothing to take from there.

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