Off-base drinking ban for all U.S. military personnel in Okinawa

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  • 7

    some14some

    Good for health, good for paying better attention to job and monitoring NK rocket launch as well :)

  • -7

    Resurfaced

    This is like a putting a bandaid on a complex fracture. This will only make things far more stressful for our guys in there. Next, they will be going AWOL to drink or worse.... lets just pray that goes well and it doesn't escalate to anything great.

  • 1

    Matthew Simon

    WOW I called that. Kinda sad to be right.

  • 1

    Matthew Simon

    I still think its ridiculous to punish the 99% for the actions of a couple of people. Treat people like children and why should they be expected to act like anything but children.

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    YuriOtani

    Been waiting for this to happen. Now all of Okinawa off base bars and clubs are off limits to the American service people. Perhaps more bars on gate 2 street will close for good. The sad truth is this will cause less base money to go off base. Then again gate 2 street will belong to the people of Okinawa. This question is what is next? lock down? general order #1?

  • -8

    Akemi Mokoto

    It is about time. They are here to protect the people of Japan not make their life a living hell. This should help fix a good chunk of the issue.

  • -14

    YuriOtani

    Giggles, obey the orders of your officers! Unless you wish to end up in the Camp Hansen brig. Think I am going to have a GREAT trip home! Think next will come general order #1 no drinking of alcohol. These orders are easier than real understanding and discipline. Before you know it the service members will be confined to their base prisons, makes you feel so proud to serve huh? Being treated like little children.

  • 5

    Matthew Simon

    This is only temporary you can be sure of that Yuri.

  • 1

    Stephen Jez

    While I don't agree with this I understand why they did it. People need to stop messing up and control themselves. It is kinda sad that the military has to use kid gloves when dishing out punishments like this to the everyone. Especially when the majority aren't the problem.

    Meanwhile, Yuri's true colors are showing again. What she fails to realize is that this will only cause more incidents because people will break the order. Then they'll try to hide it and possible do more dangerous things then before because they don't want to get in trouble. Blanket policies like this just about never solve the underlying issue. All they do is negatively effect moral and cause more problems. Oh well, at least it doesn't affect me and will probably be a temporary thing.

  • 3

    Yubaru

    Been waiting for this to happen. Now all of Okinawa off base bars and clubs are off limits to the American service people.

    No they are not off limits! While their patrons will seek other locations ON base to drink there is no place that has been placed off limits by this regulation. Let's keep the FACTS straight.

    They can still drink ON base until 10PM or in their homes OFF-BASE for as long as they want.

    With your way of thinking ALL places off base, including family restaurants, would be off-limits because all of them typically have alcohol on the menus too. Think it through......

  • -5

    YuriOtani

    What on Earth makes you think I approve? This will hurt my friends, cause more Okinawa unemployment and cause more ill feelings of the Okinawa people to the bases. Maybe they can get tour groups to visit their bars. Otherwise many bars will go out of business. With this act they lose all cooperation with the Okinawa bar owners. What can the base to to them? The bookstore is off limits for selling kiddy porn or cartoon drawings. Live and enjoy American troops remember this is being done by your own!

  • -8

    BertieWooster

    Excellent move!

    Now they are battle ready!

    Of course this points up the ridiculousness of having to be battle ready when there is no battle anywhere in sight,

    Still, "Ours not to reason why. Ours but to do or die."

  • 2

    Lee Vann

    This is another foolish reaction by the command. It stinks of incompetence, overreaction, desperation, and general lack of understanding what the root problem is.

    If I was the Secretary of the Navy I would be replacing all the fleet level commanding officers. As this wide of an issue is clearly a failure of the chain of command.

  • 5

    HonestDictator

    People tend to lose control of themselves when under the influence is the problem. Its a personality issue. Some guys like to drink to get drunk, which causes problemns. And some folks like to drink but not to get drunk by it.
    The actions of the typical drunken military personnel is what got the US bases kicked out of the Phillipines. Now we all know that liquor and young bloods don't mix well at all cos we know most of them want to drink just to get hammered.

    I'd prefer for them to get drunk on base and have to deal with the MP trying to be rowdy, than getting drunk off base and dealing with the host country and their methods of investigation, laws, etc causing it to become a diplomatic issue every time it can be brought up.

  • -9

    YuriOtani

    Yubaru, it is not my thinking but American military base thinking. There General having no better thoughts will impose general order #1 sooner or latter. What you must remember is the numbers of American service people is going to be cut. What do they care if the troops are unhappy?

  • -4

    BertieWooster

    Akemi-san,

    They are here to protect the people of Japan

    We assume this, but it's not true. I've been picked up on this before.

    The US military is in Japan to protect its OWN interests.

  • -5

    Schopenhauer

    I hear some GIs saying they don't mind goint to dangerous places but they don't want to come to Japan where people think GIs annoyance. This may be the time U.S. Forces leave from ungrateful Okinawa and Japan.

  • -2

    daviddd1212

    stupid! It will not prevent any crimes....the few idiots will still drink off base and do stupid things....

  • -7

    alladin

    Well, let`s now see how the people in Okinawa will survive without the American military around. Maybe the perverted old Japanese men and lose Japanese women will come out of the woodworks to do the things that they have not done in a very long time.

  • 1

    YuriOtani

    People this is a lawful order of your Pacific commander and not the government of Okinawa and Japan. Please blame your own chain of command.

  • 1

    ebisen

    I still think its ridiculous to punish the 99% for the actions of a couple of people.

    It's definitely not. Now the 99% will pay much more attention to the behaviour of the 1%, and will probably correct it before rapes and drunk fights happen and reach the new. An army is mostly a self-organized entity. It sometimes takes only one strong word (punch, etc) from a superior to correct and put a potentially mis-behaving guy on the right path.

  • 6

    jansob1

    Countdown to when 2 idiots buy a bottle at a grocery store and get in a drunk scuffle with locals, setting the whole thing off again....5,4,3.......

    This will end with totally locked down bases and no liberty.

  • 7

    saidani

    It's about time. And for all of you guys whining about it, the brass had to do something because you guys refused to mentor the young guys and keep them from acting out. Before you blame the chain of command, look in the mirror at your own actions. You are all part of the same military and it is obvious to everyone, Japanese and American, that the acts of a few hurt all of you guys. Step up your own actions and stop whining.

  • 4

    Dennis Bauer

    if the curfew didn't help this will not help either, maybe an effort must be made so the soldiers will respect the chain of command? if they ignore the curfew and keep drinking, makes me believe that there is a discipline issue.

  • 4

    Elbuda Mexicano

    This is a good start in a positive direction. If you are GI, your ass is GOVERNMENT property, the US government says JUMP, you ask how HIGH?? Now, they say, keep your asses in the base, if you wanna drink get shit faced, beat each other up, cool, do that IN THE BASE, then face the consequences there, but do not pull this kind of high school level crap OUT SIDE the bases, the with JAPANESE. This is a good way to REMIND our boys and girls in uniform that their ASS belongs to UNCLE SAM.

  • 4

    Matthew Simon

    As easy as it is for an outsider to say this is a discipline issue, put yourself in their shoes. And as far as "you guys" are concerned it seems to me that 99% of "you guys" are doing a great job. There will always be those that will break rules and regulations in any situation at anytime. This is true of not only the military but humanity in general.

  • 2

    Tom Webb

    The basic issue is piss-poor leadership. You can tell that by the recent spikes in General Officers getting into troubles. I bet after couple of court-martials and bad conduct discharges, the problems on Oki will fix itself.

  • 12

    LFRAgain

    "This may be the time U.S. Forces leave from ungrateful Okinawa and Japan."

    Oh, horse-puckey. Ungrateful? The U.S. troops are in Japan as guests.Guests.

    If Japanese troops robbed, assaulted, and raped with impunity every time they made a port call in the U.S. -- and they do quite regularly -- the U.S. public would be calling for rolling heads -- literally.

    The behavior exhibited by, yes, a small minority is still astounding by any estimation, particularly when you consider these asshats are supposed to be in Japan to ostensibly protect it from aggression. Who’s going to protect Japan from its "protectors?" After all, it's become abundantly clear the regular rank-and-file troops aren't the least bit interested in policing their wayward brothers via that alleged esprit de corps pap that's used to boost recruiting numbers.

    The thing is, the people who work alongside these jerks that continue time and time again to cause problems, not just for the people of Okinawa, but for Japanese virtually anywhere there is a U.S. military presence, is that they know who the trouble-makers are. They know who hits the bottle harder than others. They know who the rookies are who can't handle their alcohol. They know precisely who they'd just as soon not party with because the guy is, by well-earned reputation, an idiot/jackass/jerk.

    And yet they say and do nothing to avoid just the kind of overkill that U.S. military brass has been all but forced to adopt.

    These idiots, the lot of them, brought this on themselves in a pervasive and overwhelming climate of superiority, arrogance, and entitlement.

  • 9

    LFRAgain

    And Jansob1 is spot-on. It's just a matter of days before some moron defies the ban and goes out and does something stupid, which will force the U.S. brass to take even harder measures against these infantile jackasses.

  • -4

    saidani

    And as far as "you guys" are concerned it seems to me that 99% of "you guys" are doing a great job.

    Sorry, Matthew, but the 99% are doing little, if anything, to keep the 1% under wraps. The US claims (among other things) to be here to protect Japan. That should include acts by your fellow soldiers. The brass finally gets it.

  • 3

    Matthew Simon

    I agree that these blanket regulations are an example of piss-poor leadership. It is a general officers easy cop-out to try and save political face. 15 years ago this incidents never would have made national news (rape aside) because these idiots would have had a boot up their ass literally by their comrades and NCOs. That fear was enough to keep most in line. But taking care of your own is becoming more and more difficult in today's US military due to a lack of allowance by the chain of command to allow for small unit leadership to make its own enforcements.

  • 2

    Serrano

    Sure, punish thousands of people for the actions of a couple of dozen people.

    How about severely punishing those who commit crimes like rape, drunk driving, etc.?

  • -2

    egetatsuya

    Why u.s. military behaving like that around the world.someone should tell them that this world is not just belonging to them. They. Must be respect....

  • -1

    realdoll

    YuriOtani, Noone really cares about money going downtown if it is bar/alcohol money. Also, most the bars that military frequent are owned by ex military people, not locals.. especially at Gate 2.

  • 0

    Novenachama

    It's time that the U.S. military start considering some type of alcohol education approach and find a model of adult alcohol education program that would be successful to teach responsible drinking for those that choose to drink without damaging themselves or Okinawa society. Hence alcohol can cause positive and negative social psychological, and physical effects. But on the other hand it can again be beneficial if used with responsibility. Unfortunately some people think they can control themselves after they had a few beers and never seem to learn their lesson. It you're driving then don't drink. If you're drinking then don't drive. It's simple as that.

  • -11

    YuriOtani

    real doll these ex military are now residents of Okinawa. They pay taxes and contribute to the community. The base people would LOVE to force them to leave Okinawa. You miss my point sir! Less money in the local economy means they are not pulling their weight. As most of the on base jobs are paid for by the people of Japan... So the bases are a negative draw on the economy.

    Well service members enjoy your holiday season and when general order #1 comes about plese remember you volunteered!

  • 6

    Crazedinjapan

    I believe they should implement this ban in Tokyo as well at Yokosuka,Zama and Atsugi. I recently watched three young guys returning to base pissed out of their gourds on the train discussing making curfew on top of horseplay drunkenly on the train. Watching this from the next door was embarrassing. All passengers didn't look amused with it all. It's a matter of time before someone videos this all and pops it up online to fuel more sentiment against the Navy/military.

  • 6

    Matthew Simon

    Yuri you may want to stop mis-using the term general order as the First general order is actually 1. To take charge of this post and all government property in view.

  • -3

    megosaa

    Matthew SimonDEC. 03, 2012 - 08:14AM JST This is only temporary you can be sure of that Yuri.

    i totally agree! someone, some time, is bound to mess up for sure then oops...

  • 5

    Matthew Simon

    Novenchama, That type of education is already in place and mandatory, but as is always the case it is up to the individual to make their own decisions. There are programs in place to to allow for free rides home so people don;t drink and drive etc.. But someone always will be their to make the stupid choice and as a result bad things happen.

  • 2

    KariHaruka

    This will only make things far more stressful for our guys in there.

    Yes it must be so stressful for them being on a tropical island. I'm worried with how they'd cope in a war zone where they won't have access to alcohol.

    And the people sayin this is unfair to the other servicemen. Welcome to the military ladies and gents. You are there to do a job, not to get so drunk you rape someone. And if you can't control your fellow oppo you all must be treated the same. No exceptions.

  • -3

    Tiger_In_The_Hermitage

    The service men and women have rights too so should not be treated like childern, so just go back to US soil and they can enjoy this freedom again, no need to be in Japan.

  • 1

    ebonyninja

    These measures sound like trouble for Okinawa's off-base drinking establishments that rely on the military people to make money. Tourism is not very hight during this time of the year in Japan because japanese people are sooooo season orientated. Christmas date is on every young girl's mind at this time of the year...and skiing and snowboarding is around the corner...

  • -3

    megosaa

    realdollDEC. 03, 2012 - 10:13AM JST YuriOtani, Noone really cares about money going downtown if it is bar/alcohol money. Also, most the bars that military frequent are owned by ex military people, not locals.. especially at Gate 2.

    you right about that! i also know people that own bars said that they don't really make much money off (US) military men. they only pay for the drinks consumed whereas the locals have to pay for table charges and what not (food etc). also, whenever a bunch of military guys enters every person tenses up. flog me all you want, but i was told this and not made up.

  • 3

    KariHaruka

    > The service men and women have rights too so should not be treated like childern, so just go back to US soil and they can enjoy this freedom again, no need to be in Japan.

    You know all US navy ships are dry. Which means they can't touch a drop of alcohol till shore leave. Getting drunk in the military and goin off base isn't a right. It's a priviledge that can be taking off you if it's abused.

  • 3

    realdoll

    YuriOtani, Nope I understand your point. However I think of Gate2 street as a dead end road for Okinawans, it doesn't belong to them and them bar owners more than likely cheat on their taxes and pay minimum as possible. The locals seem very dumb about collecting taxes from ex pats. Also, I think only about 1% of Americans frequent them bars out Gate 2, so not only do most Americas care less about them bars, but also Okinawans. Pretty much only "amejo" go to them bars and mainly "kokujo".. so the bars are a type of "kokumin haji". I'm sure Shicho Tomon would love it if they all closed.

  • -10

    YuriOtani

    Matthew it is called General Order 1B and while issued by Centcom could be issued by the Pacific command to all person deployed to Japan. My guy was under them and he says leadership likes to hurt those under them.

  • -2

    getsy

    easy way around. come back at 6am and but drinks at the 7/11

  • 5

    sailwind

    The behavior exhibited by, yes, a small minority is still astounding by any estimation, particularly when you consider these asshats are supposed to be in Japan to ostensibly protect it from aggression.

    Nothing astounding about it. Your going to get percentage of bad behavior by some percentage of individuals in any large population of human beings no matter what umbrella organization or group they fall happen to belong to. College campuses, Large Corporations and almost any large organization deals with this. Totally unrealistic to think that the Military would somehow be exempt from this also happening within the organzation. Military also takes very pro-active measures to try and identify those that will cause trouble early and haven't adapted to the Military lifestyle and "fix" them and if that fails to discharge them out of the service. Some will always still manage to "fly underneath the radar" though.

    After all, it's become abundantly clear the regular rank-and-file troops aren't the least bit interested in policing their wayward brothers via that alleged esprit de corps pap that's used to boost recruiting numbers.

    Pure conjecture and rather bad conjecture at that. I would say a better conjecture would be that its abundantly clear that given the option a) being more or less grounded like one would a wayward teenager or b) policing your brother to avoid being grounded, that option b) wins out pretty much everytime.

    is that they know who the trouble-makers are. They know who hits the bottle harder than others. They know who the rookies are who can't handle their alcohol. They know precisely who they'd just as soon not party with because the guy is, by well-earned reputation, an idiot/jackass/jerk.

    Same can be said about any large or organization with a large population. Military also knows who the "jerks" are and constantly drums these folks out all the time on Admin seperation discharges. You would be suprised at how many are drummed out that you will never hear about. Unfortunately though some still manage to stay in long enough to do real damage before they are booted out (see also my first response).

    These idiots, the lot of them, brought this on themselves in a pervasive and overwhelming climate of superiority, arrogance, and entitlement.

    Project much?

  • 6

    MoBass4u

    My guy was under them and he says leadership likes to hurt those under them.

    Another TOTALLY untrue statement. There is absolutely NOTHING to support this statement.

  • -4

    saidani

    Pure conjecture and rather bad conjecture at that. I would say a better conjecture would be that its abundantly clear that given the option a) being more or less grounded like one would a wayward teenager or b) policing your brother to avoid being grounded, that option b) wins out pretty much everytime.

    Apparently, the US military commanders have seen little evidence to support your conjecture, hence this order.

  • -11

    YuriOtani

    MoBass4u third time charm, you have nothing to support it not being true. Group punishment instead of true leadership. Soon he says the draw down will lead to a US military full of brown nose. He was in Jimmy Carters military and says you have no ideal. He says that military leadership can not find (censored) with both hands on the (censored)!!!

    I worry service people will see my blather and disobey orders. Please follow your lawful orders and when it comes time to reenlist can tell them to kiss your (censored).

  • 2

    sailwind

    Apparently, the US military commanders have seen little evidence to support your conjecture, hence this order.

    US military commanders decided that the self policing measures that were already in place haven't been effective enough. As evident by continued alcohol related incidents, it was decided that much more pro-active approach in dealing with the recent alcohol fueled behavioral issues and to show our Host nation that this is being taken very, very seriously by the U.S Military was in order........Hence the order.

  • 1

    saidani

    sailwindDec. 03, 2012 - 12:00PM JST

    Yes, because the rank and file were neither self-policing nor policing their brother in arms. Pretty much what LFRAgain said.

  • 3

    MoBass4u

    MoBass4u third time charm, you have nothing to support it not being true. Group punishment instead of true leadership. Soon he says the draw down will lead to a US military full of brown nose. He was in Jimmy Carters military and says you have no ideal. He says that military leadership can not find (censored) with both hands on the (censored)!!!

    First of all the fact that this is only happening in Okinawa clearly shows that it is NOT universal that leadership likes to hurt those under them. There are many things in place to prevent this. Second, by your own admission in a previous post you mentioned that your guy was disgruntled with the military so I can see where this thinking comes from. All of this is HIS personal thoughts on this

    I have no disrespect towards you or your guy but this is not productive in any way. I DO NOT condone bad behavior in any circumstance But spouting off untruths should and must be challenged.

  • 2

    Dennis Bauer

    Anyways are the guys who are doing this just temporary staying in Okinawa? when i stayed in aomori, i never heard of any troubles with with airforce air(wo)men at Iwate airbase.

  • 6

    Matthew Simon

    Just FYI in Sasebo, there is a petition being presented by the Japanese Business Owners Association to the City Office to ask the base to repeal the curfew and restrictions. Just a little bit of contrast to this constant anti base sentiment.

  • 2

    shanabelle

    A wee bit harsh I think!

  • 2

    MoBass4u

    Anyways are the guys who are doing this just temporary staying in Okinawa? when i stayed in aomori, i never heard of any troubles with with airforce air(wo)men at Iwate airbase.

    Thank you, and we are proud of this fact up here. We are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but we do try to police our own. It is a very small tight community here so that certainly helps. The Misawa community works with us.

  • -2

    BertieWooster

    "Orders are given where responsibility is lacking."

  • -8

    YuriOtani

    MoBass4u how my guy sees it and he was in the military long enough. He would say that leadership has suffered so much and the constant war since 2001 has taken its toll on troop quality. He says anyone with any brains at all would never enlist or take the oath. So the General issues orders to make up for a lack of general leadership.

    Good luck guys and girls as you will need it! The worse is yet to come. You have no ideal how they can punish the troops to make up for their shortfalls.

  • 5

    USNinJapan2

    YuriOtani

    He says anyone with any brains at all would never enlist or take the oath.

    Anyone with any brains would never say something this categorically untrue and disrespectful.

  • -12

    YuriOtani

    USNIN my guy would say that **** leadership disrespected him and his troops. They ONLY care about themselves and how they look for promotion. Lastly he says he does not need to show them any respect. They will play their games and will hurt people in the process. Prove this to be untrue. This order is proof they do not care for the people under their charge.

  • 4

    MoBass4u

    He says anyone with any brains at all would never enlist or take the oath. So the General issues orders to make up for a lack of general leadership.

    Again, his PERSONAL VIEW and in NO WAY is indicative of how the vast majority see it. So you would prefer anarchy? We are having a problem with a few very bad apples but you encourage people to rebel? Topic is drinking of base in Okinawa has been banned for the time being. Nuff said.

  • 7

    USNinJapan2

    YuriOtani

    That is not what you claimed 'your man' said. What he purportedely said was in regards to us, the troops, not the flag or command level leadership. Don't try to worm your way out of this. I personally take offense to the sentiment that I, and thousands others serving honorably, are evidence of a decline or, "a toll in troop quality." The fact that 'your man' wouldn't/couldn't serve under the current military's climate says volumes about him in respect to discipline, dedication, and motivation. It's fortunate for him that he's not in uniform anymore and perhaps mutually so for us still in uniform.

  • -3

    CrisGerSan

    Good now maybe the people of Okinawa can have their island back

  • -7

    saidani

    USNinJapan2 Dec. 03, 2012 - 01:30PM JST

    You seem mighty thin-skinned. You don't like the Okinawans' criticism of discipline of the military nor, apparently, that of an ex-serviceman. And yet, here we are, week after week of stories of servicemen who cast a shadow over the Japan forces because of their lack of discipline. And with this latest order, it seems that the military commanders in Japan agree that discipline is, indeed, a concern. Perhaps you and all the other 99% should be less defensive about the criticism and more reflective about the issue.

    It must be awfully hard to keep mounting the defense after each successive breech of discipline when deep down you know it will likely continue to the point that being stationed in Japan will be considered punishment instead of a tropical R&R.

  • 4

    realdoll

    Your normal average Okinawan could care less about the stupid bars on Gate2 street. Because YuriOtani has some friends in the mizu shobai or low class hole in the wall bars on Gate 2 street that might loose out on some cigarette money is irrelivent. Gate 2 area is the armpit of Okinawa like Kinville. Noone cares about them GI bars that are owned by ex GI's.

  • 6

    Matthew Simon

    Saidani if there are 1,000,000 people and 999900 are behaving properly and by the rules anywhere in the world I would say that anywhere in the world this would be an amazing achievement, yet Several news outlets and individuals here would rather demonize the entire million for the short comings of the 100 that did wrong. In their opinion the higher standard that they are held to and being an example for is not high enough even though nobody else anywhere could hope to compare to those numbers.

    Personally though I am not in the military anymore I also take offense to these statements regarding recruiting standards, as anyone would who have shed blood with saw friends died or have had their lives saved by those that you accuse to be of "low quality" I wonder how many of you would jump on a grenade to save a friend or comrade. So save your comments to where they are warranted, because unless you have been there and done that you have no right to judge those who have been.

    As far as Yuri's guy goes, I cannot discount his opinion though I wish he would express it rather than using a proxy here. But he may very have had bad leaders and a rough time of it. Its his opinion to have and he has earned that right through experience.

  • -6

    saidani

    So save your comments to where they are warranted

    Well, it looks like my comments are in sync with the military command in Japan as it concerns discipline. I said nothing about the low quality of recruiting as I could not care less as long as those who serve in Japan are disciplined and do not cause problems for their hosts. As for the 1% of troublemakers, it is a US problem to make sure they do not become a local problem. As I said in an earlier comment, the American brass is finally understanding that.

  • 1

    Matthew Simon

    saidani my entire comment wasn't directed at you sorry for the confusion.

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    MoBass4u

    It must be awfully hard to keep mounting the defense after each successive breech of discipline when deep down you know it will likely continue to the point that being stationed in Japan will be considered punishment instead of a tropical R&R.

    Our passion to defend those who do the right thing is as strong if not stronger than those who would drag us through the mud.

  • 1

    saidani

    Thanks, Matthew. No problem.

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    sailwind

    Lastly he says he does not need to show them any respect. They will play their games and will hurt people in the process. Prove this to be untrue. This order is proof they do not care for the people under their charge.

    As for the 1% of troublemakers, it is a US problem to make sure they do not become a local problem.

    YuriOtani, saidani,

    I'll address both your points as it not that simple. There are those who have an Anti-American base agenda or just an Anti-Military agenda and any incident involving a Military member is just not to be looked at rationally, but is to be exploited to further their personal political agendas and outlooks. The folks that have this type of motive cannot be mollified no matter what. They will demand the impossible which is to demand perfect human behavior. You cannot and you will not ever achieve that. The upper Leadership is caught trying to balance the impossible expectations of total perfection in every single by this vocal few of every member of the Miltary and not discouraging the 99 percent of its members that do the Nation proud and are good ambassadors to our Host nation by deed and action from doing that effort day in and day out.

    I do not have the answers as to best way to handle these types of situations, its a difficult balancing act to get it right to anyone's satisfaction. What I do know though is that those that demand 100 percent perfection from all Military members are doing nothing more than hiding an agenda behind so called noble intentions and making a good compromise and seeking real good solutions in base and host nation relations so much more difficult to achieve. Though I guess that is really is the whole point in making the impossible perfection demands in first place, so real solutions really never do happen and the anti-base, anti-U.S military rants can continue to flourish whenever a Service member does something dumb out in town.

  • -7

    saidani

    Our passion to defend those who do the right thing is as strong if not stronger than those who would drag us through the mud.

    My point, and apparently that of Japan forces commanders now, is that your passion should be directed to assuring those who drag you through the mud don't have that opportunity. When you accomplish that, you will have nothing about which to defend. Importantly, your commanding officers have just told all of you that it is no longer okay for military personnel to accept a small percentage of incidents with the locals. That has been the basic defense of most of the military on this site. It no longer washes because of this order.

  • 4

    MoBass4u

    saidani: I am still feverishly working on that all seeing all knowing eye. I am still working on trying to make perfection.....well, perfect. I am still dreaming of the day that the military does not need to exist. Perfection is a fantasy.

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    Yubaru

    People this is a lawful order of your Pacific commander and not the government of Okinawa and Japan. Please blame your own chain of command.

    However if the government of Okinawa looked at the issues with COMMON SENSE these regulations would not have had to be instituted in the first place. Incidents happen, but people with common sense KNOW that they are the exception and not the rule.

    The government of Okinawa is trying it's hardest to paint a picture that ALL military are at fault, and the press assists them by publishing every fart that a military member takes off base.

    In a manner of speaking it IS the fault of the Okinawan government that these regulations have come to pass. It's a shame that they are so hypocritical.

  • -7

    BertieWooster

    After reading all the "it's not fair!" "why do we all have to be punished when it's only 1% who are doing anything wrong!" comments, I'm inclined to agree with Yuri's guy.

    The quality of enlisted men doesn't look too good.

    If you don't like the "one for all and all for one" mindset, you're probably in the wrong profession.

    Don't whine and moan about it.

    Surely you're in the military to represent and defend your country.

    If this isn't the most important thing, I wonder what you're doing in a uniform.

  • -13

    BertieWooster

    Yubaru,

    All military in Okinawa are at fault.

    They are here.

    That's enough to condemn them right there.

  • 3

    Yubaru

    Your normal average Okinawan could care less about the stupid bars on Gate2 street. Because YuriOtani has some friends in the mizu shobai or low class hole in the wall bars on Gate 2 street that might loose out on some cigarette money is irrelivent. Gate 2 area is the armpit of Okinawa like Kinville. Noone cares about them GI bars that are owned by ex GI's.

    This is SO very true. The entire area near Gate Two including the ichibangai, (street mall/market) have nearly died in the past couple of decades. No businesses last long in it, nor Chuo Park Ave (formerly BC Street) and almost the entire Moromi St area is wasting away. Okinawa City has made too many mistakes in so-called urban planning, korinza & koza music town, and everything they seem to touch goes wrong.

    The local land owners don't want to group together to create something worthwhile, and it seems like the foreign owned tailor shops and "clubs" that cater to the military folks are the one's who get hurt the most when regulations like this are put in place.

    The average Okinawan doesnt drink there, recreate there, or pretty much doesnt even care that the area even exists.

  • -4

    Korlacan Khanthavilay

    So, how many military people want to roll to Okinawa, get a bunch of hotel rooms at a local Okinawan hotel, get a bunch of kegs/liquor, etc, then get drunk drunk as crap during curfew hours? Then we can beat up the locals who are inside the hotel. Cause you know, we're already being condemned by the locals for just being their (like BertieWooster says). Might as well do something so we're actually condemned for a legitimate reason. Instead of just being lumped together with some person.

    I think China should hook up with the US and provide land for bases there. I'm sure the rent would be cheaper too.

  • 1

    Yubaru

    Edited to add......

    I wouldn't even use the tailors there either as I can get better quality at a better price elsewhere.

  • -4

    saidani

    MoBass4uyDec. 03, 2012 - 02:40PM JST

    Puh-leeeze. You guys sound like Japanese politicians who can not understand why their policies always fail but are sure it is nothing that they did. It is never because of lack of effort or good intentions or thoughtful consideration. It is always some external cause or worse, an impossible task that just can't be overcome despite their greatest efforts and a situation which the people will now just have to accept. Shouganai...

  • -3

    saidani

    So, how many military people want to roll to Okinawa, get a bunch of hotel rooms at a local Okinawan hotel, get a bunch of kegs/liquor, etc, then get drunk drunk as crap during curfew hours? Then we can beat up the locals who are inside the hotel. Cause you know, we're already being condemned by the locals for just being their (like BertieWooster says). Might as well do something so we're actually condemned for a legitimate reason. Instead of just being lumped together with some person.

    Well, sorry to break it to you but you are lumped together by the American flag on your sleeve and your commitment to volunteer for the US military. Most here want to take extraordinary pride in this fact until it causes them embarrassment or makes their lives more difficult than they like.

    One other note about China, Shanghai used to be the headquarters of the US Pacific fleet. One could argue that with America's overwhelming desire to protect its interests, it is entirely possible that it could wind up back on Chinese soil and threatening Japan. Japanese have seen this before from the Americans.

  • 1

    Stephen Jez

    Good now maybe the people of Okinawa can have their island back

    Really? Ever been to Okinawa? Get about 10K away from any major US base and it's pretty much Okinawa and you won't see any of those gaijin you all hate so much.

  • 2

    MoBass4u

    Puh-leeeze. You guys sound like Japanese politicians who can not understand why their policies always fail but are sure it is nothing that they did. It is never because of lack of effort or good intentions or thoughtful consideration. It is always some external cause or worse, an impossible task that just can't be overcome despite their greatest efforts and a situation which the people will now just have to accept. Shouganai...

    At no point did I talk about failed policies. Fact is all good intentions will have those that will buck the system. Another fact is that effort has ALWAYS been there. The sheer amount of briefings and AFN comercials on these matters show it. I say again that perfection DOES NOT EXIST. Care to share your blueprints on this? It would seem that you can do no wrong. I aint mad at ya though. We all have our opinions.

  • 1

    Fadamor

    This is just another logical step. Next will be restricting everyone to the bases. The servicemen can complain all they want, but the command's option are severely limited if the servicemen are going to go off base and cause problems for the command.

    It's not like they've never been in this situation before. AFAIK, the services are STILL restricting recruits from going off-base during their entire time at basic training.

  • 1

    AustPaul

    It must be hard for the majority of guys who do the right thing to be told this. Not that the forces here promote drinking but it is part of the life...

    How about beer rations? Two cans per day per man perhaps?

  • -7

    YuriOtani

    It is sad the .01 percent cause so much trouble. Things have improved so much since I was a little girl. In the 60's there were the military draftees and the Koza race riots. So perhaps I am a bit unfair about the current troops. It is hard for me to put things in perspective. So troops be happy and OBEY your lawful orders. Remember it is your command trying to please the people of Okinawa. To the women of Okinawa your chance of being raped are very very low. To the Press do you not have anything better to print?

  • -2

    sfjp330

    Close down all of U.S. military bases in Japan and save the money. U.S. has to reduce spending somewhere and paying for the Defense of Japan is a good place to start cutting spending. If the Japanese goverment actually wants U.S. military there, then their goverment should be paying all of the costs of having U.S. military there Instead of U.S. taxpayers footing the bill for protecting Japan.

  • -1

    sfjp330

    For the U.S. base in Japan, how much of it is honestly still necessary, what is just plain obsolete, and what can be done away with, without really missing it? The military is the military, one thing they could do, is make these U.S. military facilities in japan into closed posts, no fraternization, no association, fly in, fly out, and that's it. For that matter, you could replace some of the facilities with an aircraft carrier or find someplace where no one lives to begin with.

  • 4

    Fadamor

    The news companies have always favored sensationalism over reasoned reporting. Sensationalism gets you quoted by other news agencies. Note that the AFP articles are still refencing the rape even though the recent incidents only involved drunken rowdyness...

    following a spate of crimes including the alleged rape of a local woman.

    No mention that none of the other "spate of crimes" came close to the severity of the rape. Just glom them all together and make sure the rape is mentioned so that it seems they were all of the same nature. Some days I think AFP is just another name for Kuchikomi.

  • 2

    sfjp330

    Unlike what has happened in previous cases in Okinawa, these sailors need to be tried in a Japanese court and allowed to be punished under Japanese law in the Japanese penal system. If found guilty, they should go and rot in Japanese prison for many years and no military intervention on your behalf, same laws apply to you in the uniform as apply to civilians walking down the street, no exceptions. They should not be surprised, after all many U.S. women soldiers have been raped by fellow soldiers. It is sad, but every army has some criminals in its midst. It is hard to screen them out. US government should do do its part in curbing this criminal behavior.

  • 2

    Matthew Simon

    sfjp, If you are referencing the rapists I agree, and they will be tried in a Japanese court. That being said the sentence will probably not be very harsh as it is not very harsh when a Japanese person commits the same crime. Although in this case they will also have the military justice system to face after their Japanese jail time is up.

  • -5

    BertieWooster

    sfjp330-san,

    Close down all of U.S. military bases in Japan and save the money.

    You are totally right. It's coming to a point where the U.S.A. and Japan will have to do this anyway. Japan simply cannot continue to pay 8.6 billion dollars a year to the U.S.A.

    There is no earthly reason to have these bases here. There is no "deterring" factor, as there is no one to deter. Except the "enemies" only known to a paranoid imagination.

    They do far more harm than good, and, to top it all, we need the space.

  • 1

    MoBass4u

    There is no earthly reason to have these bases here. There is no "deterring" factor, as there is no one to deter. Except the "enemies" only known to a paranoid imagination.

    Did you really put any thought into this statement? Paranoid indeed. @sfjp330 at least goes about this in a logical approach and opens dialog to sensable solutions. He/she didn't belittle or slam anyone. It is recognised that not everyone is as bad as you paint them.

  • -4

    BertieWooster

    MoBass4u-san,

    I assure you that I had no intention of belittling or slamming anyone.

    I have given quite a lot of thought to this.

    Since no one is actually attacking Japan or likely to in the foreseeable future, any "enemy" seems to me to be the product of an imagination that sees danger behind every clump of grass.

    Americans often point to China as an aggressor, but I don't see this country as doing anything aggressive to Japan. Economically it is tied in very close to Japan and the U.S.A.

    NK?

    I don't think we need to take that seriously.

    And to cap it all, the US military is not in Japan to protect this country. It is here to protect its own interests.

    So, why is it here?

    Why do we have to pay out these huge sums of money?

    That is what I wanted to say.

  • 1

    MoBass4u

    @BerieWooster: thank you for the response. I know what you are saying and I too wish that the world was a better place. It was you nor I that negotiated why the troops are here. I agree that Okinawa has a heavy burden hosting most of the troops. What I don't agree with is the paint 'em all bad attitude of some posters. I don't like to see mine or anyone else's career cheapened or slagged with untrue blanket statements. I will not get into the politics of the base issue because like it or not things will change very little in that arena.
    I would like nothing more than to wake up tomorrow and live in a perfect world with no need for a military. I still post the question that why do some posters think that humans are capable of perfection? No one man, woman or any leadership position is capable of controlling every action of every individual. Like it or not that is why we are individuals. All over the world and in every situation someone will ALWAYS think that something does not apply to them. This is NOT an excuse in any form. We can only weed them out and continue to work towards that elusive thing called perfection.

  • 3

    Matthew Simon

    And to cap it all, the US military is not in Japan to protect this country.

    Bertie this statement is false, maybe you should take a look at the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation between the Japan and USA. Also I thought you were British so exactly what huge sums of money are you paying?

  • -2

    flipper2

    The complaints started the ball rolling. Now the only ones who really get punished are the Businesses who will lose financially. Too bad. Enjoy the loses.

  • -2

    technosphere

    We assume this, but it's not true. I've been picked up on this before. The US military is in Japan to protect its OWN interests.

    Entirely correct.

  • -5

    YuriOtani

    Matthew it is not entirely false. The American have forces in Japan and not just to defend Japan. They have bases which can support the Republic of Korea. They have bases to keep an eye on the area. They have bases to support the Republic of China. There is so much more to the bases than defending Japan.

    So having said that the General is taking the easy way out. It bother me not the service people can not drink off base. I own no bars and the bar owners will just have to do something else. In fact during my trip will not get bothered from drunk service people. Koza is going to have and reinvent itself. so SOFA people please do not worry about your host, we will be just fine.

  • -2

    cleo

    I thought you were British so exactly what huge sums of money are you paying?

    Even British citizens are subject to Japanese taxes if they live and work in Japan. (Bertie does drop a few hints, like not in Japan to protect this country. It is here to protect its own interests. So, why is it here?)

  • 2

    Psyops

    Its sad that all service members have to suffer for the actions of a few. Its worse that leadership in PACAF are so blind that they assume punishing everyone and throwing in a curfew will fix the problems. Stupid people will do stupid things regardless of the rules in place. This applies to everyone everywhere not just American service members. Its just better for Okinawa to slam a service member instead of a Japanese person for the same crime. Its funny how a huge percentage of American service members volunteered to help Japan in their time of need after the tsunami and how fast the Japanese forget that. I sure the next time that happens they would volunteer to help again.

    Anyways whats done is done, now its the time for the service members to return the favor to Uncle Sam. Japan just became the top of the most undesirable assignments for any member of any branch. No one will want to volunteer to come out to such an unwelcoming place. With no volunteers willing to come here they will need to force people to come or pay them an incentive pay just to come. Might as well make Uncle Sam pay me for the hardship of having to put up being in Japan.

  • 2

    USNinJapan2

    cleo

    Even British citizens are subject to Japanese taxes if they live and work in Japan.

    Paying taxes as a foreigner gives him the right to merely have an opinion as to how his taxes should be spent. How the tax revenue, which he happen to contribute to, is spent by the GOJ is totally of their choosing and they (and by proxy the citizens of Japan) happen to choose to spend a portion of it on collective defense by hosting the US military. If Bertie expects to have a say on how his tax money is spent, he should move back to where he has the right to vote.

  • -3

    cleo

    Paying taxes as a foreigner gives him the right to merely have an opinion as to how his taxes should be spent.

    Which he obviously does, and he's expressing his opinion here, which is what this site is for. What's the problem?

  • -6

    Betraythetrust!

    USNinJapan2; You think in your own homeland you have a democratic vote? The choice between 2 guys both groomed to follow the orders of the elite. Whose policies are over 90% the same. th world doesn't want American ideas of freedom, or drunk high school drop outs in their towns.

  • -2

    avigator

    Japanese expect zero incidents from US Forces. Simple as that. And the media in their self-righteous mode enflames the passions. The US should start considering what type of alliance they got into. They need to distance themselves from the stained glass, so they can see things better in their own merits. After all, Japan is no longer the strong economy that needs the protection it has had. When the media talks about the US bases, they are referred as Kichi Mondai, (base problem). If there is any talk about any Japanese base, it is just that, a base. But since there are no problems with Japanese self-Defense Forces, their bases seldom get any attention, 0r that is, negative attention. Same goes for current territorial issues. When they talk about the Diaoyu Islands, (which they call Senkaku), they do not refer to them as Mondai. But if it is the Dokdo Islands or Southern Kuriles, then they are Mondai. Basically Japan has behaved like a spoiled child all this time during its alliance and commercial trade with the US. They always want everything in their own terms.

  • 4

    Konsta

    avigatorDec. 04, 2012 - 09:12PM JST Japanese expect zero incidents from US Forces. Simple as that.

    This is not possible in real life with real people. There is no magic. If you want zero incidents from a group of people, would it be the US military, foreigners, males, females or children, you will have to exterminate that group entirely. And it is obligation of the Japanese government, which it conveniently neglects, to step in explaining to the local population that yes, there are cases, and yes, the US military fully cooperates, but we have to deal with the situation like adults. If things happen, we identify and punish, and prevent as much as possible. Because WE rely on their protection and our well-being for the last decades depends on their support, and aside of all its faults and shortcomings, the US still does a lot of good to Japan, and stabilizes the region, regardless to what other opinions might be. Again, it is the Japanese government, which should do the talking, or the US military will join the Kuril Islands and the others in being topics of national hate, used by the nationalists to win election campaigns in years to come.

  • 1

    Hikozaemon

    They should be allowed to drink all they want in new bases located in the Senkaku Islands.

  • 3

    Yubaru

    Japanese expect zero incidents from US Forces

    Let me clarify this for you. Japanese politicians and anti-base folks specifically in Okinawa expect zero incidents.

    Seems to me that the rest of Japan that host bases are more realistic in their expectations and are more understanding and forgiving and appreciative of what the bases bring to their communities.

  • 1

    Fadamor

    Unlike what has happened in previous cases in Okinawa, these sailors need to be tried in a Japanese court and allowed to be punished under Japanese law in the Japanese penal system. If found guilty, they should go and rot in Japanese prison for many years and no military intervention on your behalf, same laws apply to you in the uniform as apply to civilians walking down the street, no exceptions.

    You know of a case where the incident wasn't first tried in Japanese court? Details? How did the incident relate to the SOFA? Article XVII of the SOFA delineates all the jurisdiction issues. Per Article XVII, Section 3(b), The only time the US' jurisdiction would take priority over Japan's was if the offense happened while the servicemember was performing (or neglecting) their military duties. None of the offenses being discussed here fall under that exception. ALL of them have the Japanese courts as primary jurisdiction. If the Japanese courts do not decide to prosecute, that's THEIR decision. In any case, these suspects will be held IN JAPAN until their fate in Japanese courts are decided. They may be restricted to base or they may be in Japanese jail, but they're not going back to the States until their cases get resolved.

  • 1

    Yubaru

    Seems to me that there are people who post here that can't make up their mind about what they want.

    On one hand they hate the military and everything it stands for, are unforgiving about any incidents that take place, worse than an Okinawan politician. And then on the other hand they love the military and the protections they offer, the stability they are helped bring Japan, and want them to stay.

    Go figure?

  • 2

    Yubaru

    You know of a case where the incident wasn't first tried in Japanese court? Details? How did the incident relate to the SOFA? Article XVII of the SOFA delineates all the jurisdiction issues. Per Article XVII, Section 3(b), The only time the US' jurisdiction would take priority over Japan's was if the offense happened while the servicemember was performing (or neglecting) their military duties. None of the offenses being discussed here fall under that exception. ALL of them have the Japanese courts as primary jurisdiction. If the Japanese courts do not decide to prosecute, that's THEIR decision. In any case, these suspects will be held IN JAPAN until their fate in Japanese courts are decided. They may be restricted to base or they may be in Japanese jail, but they're not going back to the States until their cases get resolved.

    There was a time when this wasn't true. There was also a time quite recently, as in the past couple of years, where the suspects were not turned over to the Japanese police in a "timely manner" for questioning. (Just stating facts, don't shoot the messenger as I know fully well the reasons WHY)

    Japanese courts have jurisdiction but Japan also has a history of not prosecuting SOFA on SOFA crime even when it occurs off-base. However you are wrong when you say that US jurisdiction would take precedence when performing military duties....case in point SOFA member driving home from work off base, kills someone in car accident and claims that it was against the SOFA to be charged by Japanese BECAUSE it was on his working hours which include the time coming to and going home from work.

    Agreement got changed and Japan prosecuted. If the incident happens OFF BASE, performing military duties, Japan has the right to prosecute FIRST. They typically however pass that right off to the US Military authorities.

  • 4

    LFRAgain

    "And to cap it all, the US military is not in Japan to protect this country. It is here to protect its own interests."

    Of course the U.S. has bases in Japan to protect its own interests. It certainly wouldn't have troops here for purely altruistic reasons, would it? Can't think of any nations that would.

    But it's what those interests are exactly that bears greater scrutiny. Protecting a vital regional bastion of democracy. Protecting an important trading partner. Providing the U.S. with a forward base to counter aggression from those nations that might wish the 3rd largest economy in the world harm, nations like North Korea and China -- these things are at the heart of the U.S. interests.

    One only has to look so far as the recent situation regarding the Senkaku Islands. China attempted to assert it claims over the island with increasingly direct and aggressive actions, and that all but stopped with the U.S. issuing an unambiguous promise to adhere fully to the terms of the mutual defense treaty that it currently enjoys with Japan.

    China backed down. Japan wasn't forced to mobilize its military to protect its territory. The region remained peaceful. The world's economy stayed relatively stable for another day. And you and I and everybody else here gets to enjoy pissing and moaning about the state of the world today via the Internet.

    U.S. interests were served.

    Efforts to paint this as something diabolical and evil smacks of first-year university student enthusiasm coupled with giddy blind zeal to paint the U.S. as, yet again, the world's boogey man.

    Trust me on this: There are nations in the world today with much more frightening aspirations than anything the U.S. embodies. Be glad the U.S. is in charge of the nuthouse today. It could very well be someone like Kim Jong-Il tomorrow.

  • -2

    bajhista65

    "Off-base drinking ban for all U.S. military personnel in Okinawa"
    Yeah my foot.... and who do you think will report them to the base. Are your MP's patrolling all the bars and establshements serving booze? It is really sad to know that for the problems done by a few military a..h..es in Okinawa , the rest of the good ones are condemned.

  • 3

    Yubaru

    Yeah my foot.... and who do you think will report them to the base.

    No the locals really. They don't care either way as long as the folks doing the drinking dont do anything stooopid!

  • -3

    technosphere

    But it's what those interests are exactly that bears greater scrutiny. Protecting a vital regional bastion of democracy. Protecting an important trading partner. Providing the U.S. with a forward base to counter aggression from those nations that might wish the 3rd largest economy in the world harm, nations like North Korea and China -- these things are at the heart of the U.S. interests.

    An example of cheap propaganda from the US State Department. In rude reality, you are nothing short of foreign occupants of Japan. Plain and simple.

  • 6

    LFRAgain

    "An example of cheap propaganda from the US State Department. In rude reality, you are nothing short of foreign occupants of Japan. Plain and simple."

    There's actually nothing cheap about U.S. foreign policy. It sets U.S. taxpayers back some $680 billion a year.

    Lest you trip over yourself to paint to world as either with you or against you, you should know I'm not a member of the U.S. military. The only place I occupy is my 2LDK where I pay rent and taxes dutifully every year.

    Let's just be honest here: If you expect genuine criticism of U.S. foreign policy to be met with any serious consideration, this, "Oh, those mean, mean U.S. troops are just foreign occupiers" pap is going to have to be brought up several notches qualitatively. Whistfully naive examples of "social awareness" born of perhaps some a 16-week universty course on how to sound politically progressive and insightful don't quite accurately address some of the more uncomfortable, yet no less true, political realities of the complicated world we live in.

    Do you think the presence of U.S. troops in Japan is part of some greater diabolical purpose? Please explain precisely why. But before you answer, please be aware that any claims containing any combination of the words, "industrial military complex" will be dismissed outright for lack of originality.

  • -3

    cleo

    You and me both, Bertie!

  • 1

    USNinJapan2

    Well, that didn't take long. Japanese TV news is reporting that local businesses in cities which host some of our bases are petitioning their mayors to persuade the US military to lift the curfew and drinking ban.

  • -2

    BertieWooster

    You and me both, Bertie!

    Thanks, Cleo!

  • -5

    technosphere

    There's actually nothing cheap about U.S. foreign policy. It sets U.S. taxpayers back some $680 billion a year.

    Brave slogans you have posted above are examples of a cheap propaganda targeted to uneducated folks.. Yes, your taxpayers have been paying for aggressive wars in various parts of the Globe for a long time. But this is a problem of your taxpayers.

    Do you think the presence of U.S. troops in Japan is part of some greater diabolical purpose? Please explain precisely why. But before you answer, please be aware that any claims containing any combination of the words, "industrial military complex" will be dismissed outright for lack of originality.

    I think that US military use Japan and South Korea as remotely located naval harbours and air fields to protect US interests in the region. Not Korean or Japanese interests , but US interests only. That why your servicemen often show arrogant attitude toward to Okinawans or Koreans. For you, they are more servants than allies or friends.

  • 0

    T-Mack

    Soon it will be no drinking in Japan at all, for all US millitary...at this rate....how humiliating...

  • 2

    LFRAgain

    "I think that US military use Japan and South Korea as remotely located naval harbours and air fields to protect US interests in the region."

    Yep. This is no great revelation.

    "Not Korean or Japanese interests"

    The governments of South Korea and Japan would disagree. They get quite a bit out of this arrangement, not the least of which is an historically effective deterrent against North Korean and Chinese aggression, respectively.

    Do you believe South Korean and Japanese concerns for their safety in the region are unfounded? Furthermore, do you believe that the U.S. military presence here does nothing to alleviate those concerns? Why or why not? Please be specific. While you ponder these, please refer to the past week's news regarding a North Korea missile launch and the past year's news regarding the Senkaku Islands.

    "That why your servicemen often show arrogant attitude toward to Okinawans or Koreans. For you, they are more servants than allies or friends."

    That some servicemen are arrogant towards their Japanese or Korean hosts is undeniable. But to link the purpose and motivations behind U.S. foreign policy to something so varying and subjective as individual attitudes? That's a stretch, by any rationale. People are arrogant for a lot of reasons. But not for the silliness you imagine.

  • 0

    technosphere

    Do you believe South Korean and Japanese concerns for their safety in the region are unfounded? Furthermore, do you believe that the U.S. military presence here does nothing to alleviate those concerns? Why or why not? Please be specific. While you ponder these, please refer to the past week's news regarding a North Korea missile launch and the past year's news regarding the Senkaku Islands.

    Japan and ROK can solve all mentioned problems without Big Brother from other side of Pacific. They are sovereign countries after all. Many years ago you tried to scare Japan and Republic of Korea by "Soviet threat". The USSR had dissolved and Russia dismantled all military bases outside a country. Nowadays you scare Japan and South Korea by a single Nort-Korean missile. Pretty laughable. You provide your interests in the region and nothing more. You care less about your remotely located harbours and airfields. Because they are primary targets for your enemies in case of Global War.

  • 1

    Wolfpack

    This is a silly way to address problems between the US military and the local populations around bases. There are still many US bases spread all over Japan. However, certain areas do host a lot of mostly young adventuresome American men. These men are not given much if any cultural orientation either.

    We need to start with a clean slate. Agree to remove all US military from Japan in a few years barring a renegotiation of the US/Japan defense treaty. If no agreement can be made, then remove all military personnel from Japan and let the Japanese public figure out how they can manage their countries defense in the shadow of China and North Korea. If having the US help with their defense is important to the Japanese, a real solution will be found.

    We all know that local Japanese people commit all of the same crimes as do the Americans. I would imagine that the per 1000 crime rate would logically higher simply due to the fact that the military folks are on average much younger than the locals. That said, it is disappointing that they are not more disciplined. There should be a real orientation and acclimation for young personnel and only those that are above average should be allowed to serve overseas.

  • 0

    T-Mack

    No alcohol for all Military personnel in Okinawa......Okinawa is now considered "Dry Zone" and all alcohol is prohibited!.....this is what's next?...For the action's of a few or many, this is what's instore for all service personnel in Okinawa... what a pity...for the city.

  • 1

    YuriOtani

    T-Mack so sad so sorry! You volunteered to be in the service! Maybe if you would of paid attention in school. Recommend patience and obeying your lawful orders! Next time I am in Okinawa maybe you will see me turning down a glass.

  • 1

    Wolfpack

    YuriOtani:

    T-Mack so sad so sorry! You volunteered to be in the service! Maybe if you would of paid attention in school. Recommend patience and obeying your lawful orders! Next time I am in Okinawa maybe you will see me turning down a glass.

    For those that do wrong I have no concern that their liberty is curtailed. For all others I think it is a shame. Based on your attitude I would hazard to guess that the next time you are in Okinawa downing a glass of your favorite alcoholic beverage, you will likely be drinking alone.

  • 1

    Mocheake

    What b*ll! So busy kissing Okinawan rear end. It's IMPOSSIBLE to control everyone at all times. Unfortunate incidents are bound to happen regardless. Can't wait for the military to leave so we don't have to hear the usual 'woe is me' and unreasonable demands from politicians who only care about looking good to the public.

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    UzumakiNaruto

    It is impossible to control everyone, but most military personnel from other nations can act maturely, drink, NOT rape people, or assault them, unfortunately Americans are not adult enough to do so, they have a stupid, immature culture, and should not be allowed anywhere near weapons.

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    technosphere

    @UzumakiNaruto

    Sad but seems to be true....

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    T-Mack

    I personally have the patient's of a stone, Law? I wish I wrote it!, I obey the law, and I am a civilian now...It's only out of respect I have for Gichin Funakoshi, and the art of Shotokan, that I have a love for Okinawa and Japan...and if you have no problem sitting and having a drink with a True Native American, then maybe we could turn down a couple in brotherhood. Kampai...!!! ... I hope all is good in the world for you!!! Drinking or not...Most servicemen follow their order's without question.

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