Okayama man arrested for killing woman he stalked

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nigelboy at 03:50 PM JST - 9th October

Nippon5

With all due respect, if the police story doesn't match up with what Sugimoto told her friends or family, the media would be all over it for they don't have any sympathy for the police. The fact that the media initially tried to spin some kind of responsibility on the police attest to this fact. (Read the headlines from Japanese sources)

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080929-00000131-mai-soci

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/affairs/crime/080929/crm0809292102024-n1.htm

http://mainichi.jp/select/jiken/news/20080930ddm041040087000c.html

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WindBlade at 03:50 PM JST - 9th October

nigelboy: once again, are you asking me to refer to the word which I assume was considered as "harassment"? I never said it was a Japanese complaint. It was an English complaint in Canada. I went to the Police station with my friend and asked repeatedly for the options...only one option was give; to fill out a complaint...and the insight was to change email addresses. Police have a duty to tell victims that they can stand guard undercover, that's the only way you can catch a stalker...otherwise the police uniform will scare the stalker off...stalkers have no balls to confront those stronger than them. Which is why they do it unnoticed and they KNOW that the LAW itself cannot do anything to them without any physical evidence.

Did the cops ever trace back the emails he might have used to stalk her virtually? I mean, if they Aya advice to change her email address, Aya definitely mentioned email threats. And if that wasn't the case, why make a bold statement of how she "did not change her email address"? and what proof is there that she didn't change her email address...?

I may be ignorant of all the facts involved here I'm beginning to think right now actually. How did Aya find out she had a stalker in the first place? And if she was sure of a stalker, she most definitely would have told the Police, and her responses and actions are reflected upon hearing the advices and insight that was given to her in return by the Police. You can't just assume that she didn't try to protect herself and start using theft and robbery in comparison to Stalking manifesting into murder.

You can't possibly sit around your home without going to work if you were the victim yourself and made a complaint yourself and the lack of information provided to you buy those who are trained to SERVE AND PROTECT and use tax payers money to get their high salary don't even give you any real information other than to come down to the station and to make a complaint and to change your email address.

It doesn't which country you come from...these cases are always handled the same and usually end up the same. No matter how high-class or low-class your nation is, the result are the SAME in the case of STALKING. And you can't try to reason a victim through your own analyzing of the case since YOU get the chance to sit back and see only the Police and maybe family/friends words...but you're forgetting that the victim cannot speak for herself in this situation...you cannot blame this on her supposed ignorance in terms of self-protection.

There's always a handful of questions that cannot be answered because the victim is now dead, and the stalker even confessed to how the crime unfolded.
WindBlade at 04:07 PM JST - 9th October

PS: It's easy for people who READ articles to say "she should have done this" and "she should have done that" and use MONEY as an issue as to why the Police didn't do their job. If Money is the issue of protecting one's life...then there's only more reasons to criticize the ones who supposedly take your money in order to protect you anyways...but they won't protect you if they don't get enough money paid to begin with. And the Police failed to make contact with the stalker and question him as well...and it's even more pathetic when the victim is continued to be butchered upon when the murderer already confessed and described to the Police how the crime had bee committed...and it leading YET AGAIN, back to what the Police DID NOT DO to follow through with their DUTY.
nigelboy at 04:15 PM JST - 9th October

I may be ignorant of all the facts involved here I'm beginning to think right now actually

You are. Take a deep breath and simply re-read my statements.

Did the cops ever trace back the emails he might have used to stalk her virtually?

How could they? She "REFUSED" to come to the police station to make an official complaint. Her harrasing messages were to her cell phone.

And if that wasn't the case, why make a bold statement of how she "did not change her email address"? and what proof is there that she didn't change her email address...?

I don't think I stated that. I stated that the police asked Sugimoto to come to the police station but she refused. The police also asked if Sugimoto wanted patrol around the neighborhood but she refused on the account that it may disrupt the neighbors.
nigelboy at 04:19 PM JST - 9th October

And the Police failed to make contact with the stalker and question him as well...

And this can only happen if she filed an official complaint and identified the stalker in person at the police station.

BTW, she refused to come to the police station although the police urged her to do so.
nigelboy at 04:30 PM JST - 9th October

PS: It's easy for people who READ articles to say "she should have done this" and "she should have done that" and use MONEY as an issue as to why the Police didn't do their job

And it's also easy for people to blame the police after the fact.

Hindsight is 20/20.
Nippon5 at 04:44 PM JST - 9th October

nigelBoy

Ive read 9 articles on the Murder and on the stalking, both in Japanese and English, and I have yet to see anything stated as follows:::

Cirroc said "I heard of lot of her side is coming from her friends and family. They are why we know she went to movie that night"

Thats a comment I cant find any proof of and either can the author, but you seem hell bent on trying to make the the statement if the family didnt agree with the police statement they would have it all over the papers, thats a wonderful thought, but it doesnt back up the authors claim that her friend agreed to the story..Maybe the family doesnt want to have the police give them "special treatment" because they speak out.

My problem is the basic human instinct is to cover your own ass, this applies to police too.

Also the statement from the police has changed with each interview , it has said she came down, it has said she called, it has said she refused to have them talk to him, it has said she refused to have them patrol, it has said she was told to change her email.

from my experience when the story changes allot it isnt the real story, and based on that I find it offensive you can without a doubt say "the police told her this and that, and she died becasue she didnt listen" when all you have for proof is the people who would be the ones in trouble if it wasnt that way..

A one sided story is just that a story, no factual information to back it up.

I actually have no problem with the police, I live near a koban and feel well protected, but I dont just agree with them when they make a statement that seems out of sense.

why would a woman go through the trouble to contact the police then say nevermind he isnt scaring me that bad, then dies later from that man??? The hardest part was the call/ or going to the station, the rest just seems a tad fishy...

It may have gone down just like they say, but then again it may not of..
WindBlade at 04:44 PM JST - 9th October

nigelboy: I am strictly referring my statements to the articles. I never quoted you on anything. And here I am asking for proof and you keep repeating that the police said this and the police said that. OF COURSE, the police would say THIS AND THAT. What proof is there that the Police did everything they were supposed to do to protect the victim? Just as much as there is no proof that they didn't do their job. My issue is why are people butchering the Victim over and over again meanwhile the murderer had already confessed to the murder and already DESCRIBED HOW IT HAPPENED, which points out that Aya couldn't change the situation and the Police couldn't change the situation either, leading to the missing gaps between Aya vs. the Authorities...thus we receiving this half-arsed one-sided claim by the Police stating Aya never bothered to write a complaint, and that she never accepted the patrol based on disrupting the neighborhood...which makes little sense because ANYBODY that picks up the damn phone to make a complaint of danger, is serious, and will put themselves above before wondering how the precious neighborhood might react to her concerns over her own life. We already know that you said the Police said this and that, but what proof is there to validate what they are implying????? NONE. SO IT'S IGNORANT OF YOU TO SAY THAT AYA DID NOT DO HER BEST TO PROTECT HERSELF, YOU HAVE NO PROOF TO VALIDATE YOUR CLAIMS JUST AS MUCH AS THE POLICE, SINCE YOU ARE ONLY ECHOING WHAT THE POLICE HAD SAID. It was ignorant of YOU to believe the Police defending themselves just because they are the Police, and to imply that Aya refused to protect herself even the the POLICE URGED her to do so...???? I'm sure Aya had enough common sense to put her safety above what the neighborhood might find annoying. Any girl in this situation will think only of her safety. You have no right to criticize the dead person when there's not proof to validate her neglecting her own safety. ;)
seesaw at 06:12 PM JST - 9th October

nutsagain: I'm serious about the gangsters. I was talking from my own experience..I had enough of asking for Police help and nothing was resolved..my neighbour took pity on me and asked her izakaya patron (the Yakuza) to help me out...and the guy never come around my house again...
nutsagain at 09:42 PM JST - 9th October

I've also read the articles in both japanese and here's not much which is at variance. Nigelboy loves the chance to trot out and his Japanese skills for the board at absolutely each and every opportunity. That's a given in any thread and it's fair enough. But that's about the extent of it I'm afraid as the real issue here is a reactive police force that should be proactive.
BlackFlag at 09:52 PM JST - 9th October

silence in court!
Youdontknow at 03:47 AM JST - 10th October

Anyone who believes the police take stalking seriously in Japan, has either not been here long, or is very deluded!! The police do not take it seriously at all!
nigelboy at 10:49 AM JST - 10th October

Nippon5

"I heard of lot of her side is coming from her friends and family. They are why we know she went to movie that night"

She told her friend that she was going to the movies on the night of 26th of September. She told her family that she was going to the movies by herself on the night of 26th of September.

http://news.goo.ne.jp/article/asahi/nation/K2008092900961.html http://mainichi.jp/select/jiken/news/20080930ddm041040087000c.html

Thats a comment I cant find any proof of and either can the author, but you seem hell bent on trying to make the the statement if the family didnt agree with the police statement they would have it all over the papers, thats a wonderful thought, but it doesnt back up the authors claim that her friend agreed to the story..Maybe the family doesnt want to have the police give them "special treatment" because they speak out.

"Special treatment"? Sigh. Can you for at least once not assume that there was any wrongdoings by the police? If I was the relative of the victim and if I knew that the police statement was inconsistent with what Aya was stating, my first reaction is to finger point the police using the media.

My problem is the basic human instinct is to cover your own ass, this applies to police too.

Because you are assuming that the police didn't do their job. And if they wanted to cover their ass so to speak, they would of never mentioned the fact that she even phoned in her complaint.

Also the statement from the police has changed with each interview , it has said she came down, it has said she called, it has said she refused to have them talk to him, it has said she refused to have them patrol, it has said she was told to change her email.

I don't think it has at all. What changed within each media sources is the amount of detailed info. No media reported that she came down to the police station. Several media stated that she just called in. One media stated that she called only once. Several media stated that the police advised her to change her e-mail. Couple of media stated that she refused to have them patrol citing because she thought that it would dirupt the neighbors. Couple of media stated that the police urged her to come to the police station but she did not.

why would a woman go through the trouble to contact the police then say nevermind he isnt scaring me that bad, then dies later from that man??? The hardest part was the call/ or going to the station, the rest just seems a tad fishy...

I don't think contacting the police by phone can be defined as "go through the trouble". Maybe she was just annoyed and wanted to get an advice from the authorities. The question you should be asking is if she was all that "scared" why didn't she come to the station? From the time she made the call to the actual incident, it was roughly 10 days. If she was all that "scared" why did she go to the movies alone at night? And please don't twist as this as though I'm blaming the victim. I'm simply stating that based on these aforementioned, neither the police nor the victim was aware of what this man was capable of doing.
ANOTSUSAGAMI at 02:49 PM JST - 12th October

Apparently, she did make stupid choices according to this article. http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20081001TDY02304.htm Though again, no one can say that the police aren't just saying this to cover themselves. Though I wonder, they get a call about a woman screaming, check the area, find the empty car of the victim that called them before about stalking, maybe check around a little more, then go home? Why not think, maybe we should form a manhunt? I think there was reason enough for them to do it.
Blue_Tiger at 10:48 PM JST - 17th October

The police can say whatever they want to about what Sugimoto said because she is no longer around to defend herself, is she? I believe that the Okayama police ought to be brought up on charges of negligence, and the officers she spoke to indicted as accessories to murder.