Or, there wasn't enough evidence. You know, kinda like the J-police discovered when they tried to charge them with it. Just because they were accused, doesn't mean they did it. I know, it also goes the other way, just because it was dropped, doesn't mean they didn't. However, all around, their story and her story were both pretty shady...
rjd, before you jump at the military for dishing out "only" 15 months, why dont you bash the japanese judicial system for letting him go free because of "lack of evidence?" if the military really didnt care, they would have just said what i would have said, oh well, the japanese didnt find him guilty so get back to work.
From this the people in America will now add another name to the rolls of Sex Offenders.
That sexual encounter sure must have been the best in all the world because he has lost his retirement pay and all the other bennies that he would have enjoyed with his family.
I wonder if this indecent act was worth it? (Approx. $1700.00 a month lost forever)
3 down and 1 to go.
All US Military Personnel are aware of standards that are required of them both on and off duty so there should not no Excuses allowed in these type of cases.
These former Marine held the rank of a E-7 and should have had the knowledge of what was required of him on a daily basis.
The list of charges show he have gotten a lot more time behind bars. Guess from his time in the service they gave some condideration.
Hope he cannot ever get a Discharge up grade from the VA. BCD forever!
rjd, this guy was on the edge of retirement. As a matter of fact, he was going out for his final time if I remember, and now after 20 years, he will loose his retirement (it would have started off around $1900/month, just calculate that for 20 years $460000) and that is a lot of money lost for a "quickie" that the Japanese police did not find enough evidence to prosecute. Not to mention, he has lost all of his Veteran benefits, and the fact that he has to register as a sex offender.
Not that I am condoning what he did, he being a 20 year veteran and a leader should have known what he was doing was wrong, and there is no excuse for his actions; but this is a pretty steep penalty for him. I hope that the USMC will make this well publicized to the Japan press, and explain the ramifications of his punishment so that they can at least understand that this guy is not getting off easy, and that we take seriously punishment.
From what I have been reading here, he has gotten worse punishment than some of the Japanese I have read about that have done similar or worse crimes.
Carl should have stuck with the half your age plus seven rule.
It's an equation that has kept me out of trouble for over 2 decades. That and the "my eyes are the only part of me that remains single" rule.
Alphaape,
While I can understand what you are saying, Mr. Anderson had not earned his retirement, so he didn't lose anything. As long as he sported an AD military ID, he was under the UCMJ.
I saw something very similar when I outprocessed at Puget Sound. A couple of kids, less than a week from separating from the Navy, were caught bragging about going to Seattle and doing drugs. They were at the outprocessing station when they were busted, masted, and sent out with OTH discharges.
So, in all fairness, Carl Anderson didn't lose anything; he gave it away. Not receiving any retirement benefits was his choice, not a punishment.
Sorry, but I'm a real hard-ash about stuff like this. Anyone associated with the military knows how strongly conduct is stressed in Japan. As an E-7, he was the guy responsible for promulgating the message he ignored.
I agree Taka. Not about the plus seven rule. Why yall have to make it so difficult? Hi. Are you 18? No? (This is the sound of me at a dead run in the other direction). Are you 18? Yes? Coversation ensues...
Taka313, I get your point, but what I was commenting on was that most of the time in the Japan press, they do not understand the ramifications of the sentencing that we Americans under the UCMJ give to guilty members. They see it as a 15 month sentence. But this guy is loosing way more than that.
As an E7 he made bad judgement I agree 100% on that. But I still think that the USMC is making a public spectical out of him.
Alphaape,
I agree with you that by not mentioning the punishment he will receive from the USMC, the punishment seems more lenient than what he will receive.
I stand by my statement that he Mr. Anderson did not lose his retirement benefits however, he chose to give them away.
As for the Corps making a public example of him, I say more power to them. Every Marine, Sailor, Soldier and Airman currently serving in Japan and those that aren't even here yet will be judged (to a degree) based on his actions.
Were this a PFC, I would be more willing to cut him some slack but as a Gunny Sergeant, I won't.
One of the reasons people get raises as they are promoted is to take on additional responsibilities, as a Gunny, Mr. Anderson was expected to set the example and "calibrate" anyone who did not toe the line. He failed in both regards. Not only is it important for the Japanese to see that the military is taking crime seriously, the military MUST show that EVERYONE is accountable. To not make a public example of him would have sent a very bad message to the troops: "RHIP."
Again, calling on experience, I saw officers and chiefs in my time in the Navy that were morbidly obese and when everyone else was weighed and measured in the open for the PRT, they were weighed and measured behind closed doors. The message that sent was extremely bad for morale and in turn, good order and discipline.
I think it's important for the military to show that their leaders are just as accountable as the rank and file in the military.
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rjd_jr at 07:33 AM JST - 11th June
Only 15 months for these "indecent acts?" Plea bargaining so charges of rape are dropped?
Obviously a Japanese female's worth is not very much in their eyes.
rtrhead1 at 08:04 AM JST - 11th June
Or, there wasn't enough evidence. You know, kinda like the J-police discovered when they tried to charge them with it. Just because they were accused, doesn't mean they did it. I know, it also goes the other way, just because it was dropped, doesn't mean they didn't. However, all around, their story and her story were both pretty shady...
japanyesterday at 09:38 AM JST - 11th June
rjd, before you jump at the military for dishing out "only" 15 months, why dont you bash the japanese judicial system for letting him go free because of "lack of evidence?" if the military really didnt care, they would have just said what i would have said, oh well, the japanese didnt find him guilty so get back to work.
KenjiYamamoto at 10:24 AM JST - 11th June
more is better, perhaps not. looking forward to more of the same. being a host indian nation to conquistadores is well... more of the same...
Obakemono at 10:28 AM JST - 11th June
"And another one bites the dust"
From this the people in America will now add another name to the rolls of Sex Offenders.
That sexual encounter sure must have been the best in all the world because he has lost his retirement pay and all the other bennies that he would have enjoyed with his family.
I wonder if this indecent act was worth it? (Approx. $1700.00 a month lost forever)
3 down and 1 to go.
All US Military Personnel are aware of standards that are required of them both on and off duty so there should not no Excuses allowed in these type of cases.
These former Marine held the rank of a E-7 and should have had the knowledge of what was required of him on a daily basis.
The list of charges show he have gotten a lot more time behind bars. Guess from his time in the service they gave some condideration.
Hope he cannot ever get a Discharge up grade from the VA. BCD forever!
Alphaape at 11:37 AM JST - 11th June
rjd, this guy was on the edge of retirement. As a matter of fact, he was going out for his final time if I remember, and now after 20 years, he will loose his retirement (it would have started off around $1900/month, just calculate that for 20 years $460000) and that is a lot of money lost for a "quickie" that the Japanese police did not find enough evidence to prosecute. Not to mention, he has lost all of his Veteran benefits, and the fact that he has to register as a sex offender.
Not that I am condoning what he did, he being a 20 year veteran and a leader should have known what he was doing was wrong, and there is no excuse for his actions; but this is a pretty steep penalty for him. I hope that the USMC will make this well publicized to the Japan press, and explain the ramifications of his punishment so that they can at least understand that this guy is not getting off easy, and that we take seriously punishment.
From what I have been reading here, he has gotten worse punishment than some of the Japanese I have read about that have done similar or worse crimes.
Taka313 at 12:48 PM JST - 11th June
Carl should have stuck with the half your age plus seven rule. It's an equation that has kept me out of trouble for over 2 decades. That and the "my eyes are the only part of me that remains single" rule.
Alphaape, While I can understand what you are saying, Mr. Anderson had not earned his retirement, so he didn't lose anything. As long as he sported an AD military ID, he was under the UCMJ.
I saw something very similar when I outprocessed at Puget Sound. A couple of kids, less than a week from separating from the Navy, were caught bragging about going to Seattle and doing drugs. They were at the outprocessing station when they were busted, masted, and sent out with OTH discharges. So, in all fairness, Carl Anderson didn't lose anything; he gave it away. Not receiving any retirement benefits was his choice, not a punishment. Sorry, but I'm a real hard-ash about stuff like this. Anyone associated with the military knows how strongly conduct is stressed in Japan. As an E-7, he was the guy responsible for promulgating the message he ignored.
Taka
rtrhead1 at 02:18 PM JST - 11th June
I agree Taka. Not about the plus seven rule. Why yall have to make it so difficult? Hi. Are you 18? No? (This is the sound of me at a dead run in the other direction). Are you 18? Yes? Coversation ensues...
Alphaape at 06:43 PM JST - 11th June
Taka313, I get your point, but what I was commenting on was that most of the time in the Japan press, they do not understand the ramifications of the sentencing that we Americans under the UCMJ give to guilty members. They see it as a 15 month sentence. But this guy is loosing way more than that.
As an E7 he made bad judgement I agree 100% on that. But I still think that the USMC is making a public spectical out of him.
Taka313 at 08:18 PM JST - 11th June
Alphaape, I agree with you that by not mentioning the punishment he will receive from the USMC, the punishment seems more lenient than what he will receive. I stand by my statement that he Mr. Anderson did not lose his retirement benefits however, he chose to give them away. As for the Corps making a public example of him, I say more power to them. Every Marine, Sailor, Soldier and Airman currently serving in Japan and those that aren't even here yet will be judged (to a degree) based on his actions. Were this a PFC, I would be more willing to cut him some slack but as a Gunny Sergeant, I won't.
One of the reasons people get raises as they are promoted is to take on additional responsibilities, as a Gunny, Mr. Anderson was expected to set the example and "calibrate" anyone who did not toe the line. He failed in both regards. Not only is it important for the Japanese to see that the military is taking crime seriously, the military MUST show that EVERYONE is accountable. To not make a public example of him would have sent a very bad message to the troops: "RHIP." Again, calling on experience, I saw officers and chiefs in my time in the Navy that were morbidly obese and when everyone else was weighed and measured in the open for the PRT, they were weighed and measured behind closed doors. The message that sent was extremely bad for morale and in turn, good order and discipline.
I think it's important for the military to show that their leaders are just as accountable as the rank and file in the military.
Taka
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