Hollywood responds to deadly school shooting by pulling films

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  • -5

    Penfold

    Junk movies, junk music, junk food. Glad the American public might finally be realizing this stuff this stuff affects your soul.

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    whiskeysour

    Serial killers and etc are influenced by books, movies, t.v. shows, video games, military movies, and etc. Doesn't matter !!!!

    Normal people don't come out of watching a movie theater and copy the killings in the movie.

    Crazy people are influenced, by the simplest of things.

    Let's see the REAL problem. MENTAL HEALTH !!!!

    Doesn't really matter what they watch, listen or read. CRAZY is crazy !!!!!

    In America, American Mental Health Care is not free. It's COSTLY and not free.

    In America, JAIL is the answer to people who have mental problems.

    Psychiatrists charge hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for an 1 hour session or etc.

    The mother was a gun enthusiast..... Also the mother took the young man to the shooting range doesn't exactly help the mentally defective 20 year old new life responsibilities.

    Should a 20 year old have access to weapons when he is on high with emotions or has furious anger ?

    Why did she train her child to shoot weapons if he has Autism ?

    We should ask ourselves - Do we need more than 1 gun in the house or if any firearm in the house when you have a mentally disabled child ? Usually what will happen is an accidental shooting in the house or suicide attempt, probably take out the whole family. if you have a child who has mental disabilities he should get help. Ignoring it or pretending the child is normal will not solve anything.

  • 3

    whiskeysour

    He's a domestic terrorist nothing more nothing less.

    It's a very scary circumstance, something like this cannot be prevented. Unless people realize if your child has some sort of mental difficulties he should get help. Help from all kinds.

  • 8

    Probie

    People don't do stuff like that because of movies, or music or whatever. They do it because they're CRAZY.

    Why do people have to find something to blame? Millions of people watch violent TV/movies, the ones that do something , do it because they're crazy.

    List up all the crimes done by people because of violence in movies; then compare that to people who commit crimes because of a religious influence. I bet there's a 10 to 1 lean towards religion. But no talk of banning that.

  • -2

    tkoind2

    Look America. Sit down, wake up, pay attention and read the following.

    TV shows don't kill people! Guns do! People with access to guns do! You are not going to stop a single thing by taking a TV show off the air on Sunday.

    If you really want to help out Hollywood. Help us convince these bone headed fools who insist that having guns in the hands of people is a good idea. BAN GUNS. All guns. Assault rifles and hand guns 100% ban. Hunting guns, should be required to be stored at national gun storage places where they can be checked on with limited ammunition for licensed hunters who have passed tests to assure they are safe users.

    Ban ammunition sales by any shop other than national gun storage sites. And then only for use in on site target shooting, sporting events or for hunters in very limited quantity.

    Ok, so you can't ban crazy or evil people. But the simple fact is that a mad man with a knife is not going to kill anywhere near as many people in an attack as a madman with a bag full of guns and ammunition. Take away guns, you take away the chance of someone doing this much harm.

    Enough is enough now. Ban guns and stop giving the topic lip service. Only when guns are gone will these stories diminish.

  • 2

    y2pbiggy

    @tkoind2.... TV shows don't kill people! Guns do!..... Are you serious? No guns do not kill people. A low life scumbag with a finger on the trigger of that weapon kills innocent people. I can take fully loaded weapon sit it on a table and stare at it forever. Will it kill me? Let him touch it, pick it up and play with it for a while. Ban guns really. Yeah so us responsible folks cannot protect ourselves from these idiots. Good call. RIP Little Angels from CT. Our Thoughts and Prayers are with you.

  • 3

    cl400

    America needs to clamp down on its gun laws. Look at Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, etc. Tough gun laws, far less killings by fire arms.

  • 2

    Peter Payne

    I agree something needs to be done. What's sad is that nothing will -- or if something reasonable like an assult weapons ban is enacted, it will somehow have a time limit that runs out and won't be renewed. This is because Guns = Jesus to many Americans, which is almost as funny as the idea of extremely, grossly wealthy people going to heaven (as Jesus himself said, if anyone but me actually reads the damn Bible).

  • -1

    Probie

    ^ They weren't killed, I know, but still.

  • -1

    y2pbiggy

    @ Probie, Good cite. In the most sarcastic voice. I think I will speak for TKOIND2. Where is the ban on knives, it was the knife at fault. This is just as bad as the shooting. But in the end its still the individual to blame. Why do so many not believe that and always wanna blame something or someone else.

  • 4

    m6bob

    Don't blame Hollywood for the mayhem. Blame the NRA. I just don't understand this obsession with 'the Constitutional Right right to own guns', to 'defend ourselves from the crazies', because 'criminals have access to these weapons'.

    Did a legal gun-toting citizen prevented Adam Lanza or any of those crazies from committing their acts? No, these crazies used legally owned guns to commit their dastardly acts. Wake up, America! Something's got to give.

  • -4

    Probie

    Even if they banned guns in the States, people would still keep them if they could get away with it. Most crimes involving guns, are not registered guns anyway, and if they are, they're stolen guns a lot of the time. So banning them would be useless.

  • 1

    sakurala

    I wish that America would look into their gun laws more carefully and see the damage it is doing. Perhaps they could do a gun buy back program. People may be enticed to give up (some of) their firearms if the price is right. I know people who have guns illegally (gangs, mafia) wouldn't go for it but they tend to keep their violence within their own circles of illegal activity and not go shooting up schools and theatres.

    Also, maybe there should be a law banning guns in houses with people known to have mental disorders. I know it would be hard to enforce but I hope that America starts looking at different options so that we don't have to hear such tragic stories. My heart breaks to think of what those poor children experienced and the trauma that will remain with those that survived.

  • 4

    tokyomusing

    @y2pbiggy, don't be ridiculous. Obviously it's easier to kill with knives then guns. Otherwise the military would n't bother giving soldiers guns. With a knife you can be overpowered at close range. With a gun, you cannot be overpowered easily because you can't get to close range as several people tried and sadly gave their lives for in the most recent shooting (school psychologist, principal). Guns kill people, unregistered STOLEN guns kill people. But when nobody has guns, it's much easier to see who has a gun and scoop them up. How about we start issuing school children guns for their personal protection? How about we issue primary school teachers tactical gear for their 'protection'? When will you Americans finally say enough is enough and realise that with strict gunlaws you do not NEED your precious 'protection'?!?!

  • -3

    nandakandamanda

    Tarantino is not innocent. Some of the stuff in his movies justifies horrific cruelty depending on circumstance, such as it's really OK to scalp people if they are Nazis.

    Some people may enjoy watching gratuitous violence and some people actually feed on it.

    As to movies affecting people, of course they do. If 'normal' people can be affected for a few hours...

    Pulling these movies kind of pays lip service to the mood, thus avoiding any immediate unpleasant backlash, but it does come across as calculating.

  • 3

    tkoind2

    @y2pbiggy

    Look, no guns, no mass gun slaughters. Your pipe dream about protecting yourself does not hold up to scrutiny. In fact, more of you gun owners kill your own family with it on purpose or by accident than the potential that you will ever use it in any kind of self defense. Further, most of you end up losing your weapon to an attacker in any case. You watch way too much TV thinking unrealistic heroic thoughts about yourselves.

    Reality is, your kid may find the weapon and kill him/herself. You may be pissed one day and off you spouse. You may become depressed and off your whole family. More likely it will be stolen and used in a crime. Or if the extremely rare case where you need to pull in self defense, chances are that guy gets it and kills you with it instead. That is if you have not already used the gun on yourself or someone you know.

    Read the stats, your reality where people defend the homestead just doesn't exist. But the world where one guy and kill dozens does exist. And would no longer exist at that level if you do away with guns.

    Time to evolve past the 19th century people.

  • 1

    Laurence Lance

    I read a lot of made up stuff here about guns, the American culture, gun laws as well as what assupmtions on these subjects.

    Instead of making up stuff why not read research on the subject?

    There is considerable confusion as to what an "assault rifle" is. Originally a deliberate obfuscation by Handgun Control, Inc. to confuse civilian models of military arms, this description continues to dominate and confuse the public today. Here is the link to that history; http://jack-burton.hubpages.com/hub/Assault-Weapons-Evil-Black-Rifles-or-perhaps-not

    There are the obvious comparisons of cultures and guns, but it turns out the comparisons are anything but simple. In "The Samurai The Mountie and the Cowboy" David Kopel looks at Japan, Canada and American with side trips to Switzerland to see what the different laws and cultures say about crime.

    In "More Guns Less Crime" the author and researcher John Lott looks at an 18 year sample of conceal weapons licensing as it influences crime.

    "Guns, who should have them" David Kopel, looks at what effect "gun control' has on crime.

    The latest FBI Unified Crime Report 2009 looks at crime in general and with categories for homicide by weapon type, by state location as well as other parameters such as race.

    There are at least a half dozen other works by scientists which are reliable and without political bias.In addition there are numerous works on the Original Intent of the Founders who wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights, proving that The Second Amendment is an individual right and not a collective privilege.

  • 2

    samwatters

    "America needs to clamp down on its gun laws. Look at Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, etc. Tough gun laws, far less killings by fire arms."

    One piece of information that I want to throw in here is the fact that Canada has the most guns in the world (over 4 per person) and one of the lowest murder rate in the world. Obviously guns contribute to the recent spat of massacres butt here is something else at work in America.

  • 1

    sakurala

    Samwatters: I've never heard that fact before but it seems interesting. However, you may also want to look into what type of guns (hunting rifles vs. pistols vs. semi-automatics) as well as the reason for owning them ( bears in the backyard? protection? because I can?) You will find that there is a world of difference between Americans and Canadians views in regards to guns.

  • 2

    Chris Case

    If my understanding of life came from U.S. entertainment media and video games, I would not know what is wrong with killing people, but would certainly know what is thrilling about it.

  • 1

    Jimizo

    @sakurala The idea of keeping guns away from those who are capable of committing atrocities like we have seen isn't just difficult to enforce - it's closer to impossible. It is impractical to give all prospective gun-owners psycho evaluations. They have and will fall into the wrong hands.

  • -2

    oikawa

    One piece of information that I want to throw in here is the fact that Canada has the most guns in the world (over 4 per person) and one of the lowest murder rate in the world.

    Where did you get your info from? A quick google seemed to indicate it was borrokkusu.

  • 0

    all4faj

    We should ask ourselves - Do we need more than 1 gun in the house or if any firearm in the house when you have a mentally disabled child ?

    Here we go , this is the attitude the logical and mentally sound are dealing with, instead of condemning having guns at all, we should restrict them when you have a mentally disabled person living in the house? Needed for protection are they ? Year after year this happens in America ? I was going to ask what that tells you, but I already know the answer, The principal should have been armed, the school should have had armed guards or the teachers should have been packing, or the bigger stronger 7 year olds should have been taught to shoot and a class gun could have been supplied, Like a fire alarm, break glass in case of heavily armed crazy.... Unfortunately it will keep happening, we will see a lot more deaths of innocents so that Americans can realize their right to carry arms. pity their right to carry arms outweighs the rights of children to grow up, and their parents and friends to witness that.

  • 2

    smithinjapan

    Serial killers were around long before TV and video games. I can understand post-poning the release out of respect for those who died and those who survive them, but blaming the movies is wrong.

    Chris: "If my understanding of life came from U.S. entertainment media and video games,"

    While a lot of violent video games come out of the US, many more come out of countries like Japan -- but Japanese society doesn't have this sort of problem.

  • -1

    Kent Mcgraw

    cl400 in Australia gun related murders have risen since the gun laws. Japan uses other weapons for murder. In Canada guns are allowed or it would destroy their billion dollar hunting industry. Get your facts straight. Guns do not kill people, people kill people. When a crazy person uses a gun all of the fearful people begin to cry about it. You live in fear and do not understand that when guns are taken from the citizen, the citizen becomes prey for the predator. In no gun zones there is a much higher risk for a crazy person to use a gun because he knows the law abiding citizen does not have one. These people choose where they will do their evil and they choose to do it where no one is armed and so there will be no confrontation. Wake up people, I would trust guns in the hands of law abiding citizens more than in the hands of the police.

  • 3

    samwatters

    @Oikawa. The information regarding Canada as the country with the most guns came from the documentary "Bowling For Columbine" by Michael Moore.

    @Sakurala. I agree with you; there is something very different between Americans and Canadians in regards to firearms. I am originally from Detroit and am always surprised when I visited Windsor, etc. how safe it was despite numerous firing ranges, hunting enthusiasts, etc.

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    Sean Schloss

    I tend to believe it's not the actual movies, it's the constant dumbing-down of the American culture. When a person is giving a movie.TV critique, and one fo the first sentences is to the effect of "it wouldn't happen like that," there are issues with reality and make believe.

    Signed, Shek

  • -1

    Outta here

    Kent Mcgraw

    in Australia gun related murders have risen since the gun laws.

    Yes they may well have but let me ask you this, since the tougher gun laws have been introduced how many massacres or mass shootings have taken place in Australia? The answer would be zero. That's right not a single one. We still have violence, we still have murders, we still have shootings. No one would claim that they go away under tougher gun laws. But what does go away are mass murders, tens of people being killed at once by lunies.

    get your facts straight. Guns do not kill people, people kill people.

    Actually your wrong, ins do kill people. That is what they are designed and built to do. If you believe otherwise stand in front of one and if you live to talk about it then I will believe your guns don't kill people NRA bull.

    I would trust guns in the hands of law abiding citizens more than in the hands of the police.

    Would you! I certainly wouldn't. I do not trust guns in any citizens hands. Unless someone has a damn good reason to own one then there should be no guns in the community. And those with a valid reason are restricted to non semi auto weapons.

  • -1

    sakurala

    Jimizo: But if someone was found to have some sort of disorder that may lead them to consider such acts, there should be someone to check if they, or someone in their household has a gun. If there is a gun in the house, it should be surrendered until such a time when it is deemed safe to have back in the house.

  • -2

    all4faj

    -1 Good| Bad Kent McgrawDec. 17, 2012 - 01:21PM JST

    cl400 in Australia gun related murders have risen since the gun laws.

    I would love to know where you got that information Kent, I have only been able to find that Homocides by guns have neither increased or decreased since the toughening of gun laws in Australia, which were introduced after the massacre in Tasmania. Australia has never had a history of gun related homocides like the Americans, but after tightening gun laws there has been a large reduction in suicides by guns. Whether or not they have achieved their goal by other means is not apparent, As for guns not killing people , Guns may not, But one crazy with a gun can kill a lot of people. Most countries adapt, It never used to be illegal to text while driving, but its dangerous, so now it is.

    You may well have a point about guns not killing people, But definitely Americans with guns kill people, The United States has 5% of the worlds population, but 25% of the prisoners.

  • 0

    oikawa

    Samwatters

    Michael Moore is good at making films, not fact checking. Sad to say, but don't believe anything you hear in one of his films and certainly check it before you state it as fact. And this coming from someone who loves his stuff, let alone a psycho right-wing gun nut. A quick google shows Canada is 13th in per-capita gun ownership, America is first.

  • 0

    samwatters

    @Oikawa. Thanks for the fact checking; I'll try to be more careful in the future! Sam.

  • 1

    Victoria Maude

    I would trust guns in the hands of law abiding citizens more than in the hands of the police.

    I don't trust guns in the hand of law-abiding citizens either, unfortunately. There is just so much that can go wrong when one has a gun. The number of stories I've of completely needless incidents is terrifying. For instance, little kids getting a hold of guns and bringing them to school for show and tell, or children being shot by their own families because they were mistaken for skunks. I feel far less safe when I know that anyone has a gun, since I feel like my chances of being hurt accidentally are far higher than my chances of being intentionally shot. No-one intends for these accidents to happen, but they do, and the consequences are lethal.

  • 0

    akkk1

    After President Kennedy's assassination in 1963, Hollywood also responded by pulling films and reflecting on movie violence. And here we are again, 49 years later.
    Unless they are willing to commit political suicide, which politician will dare stand up to the all-powerful NRA?

  • 3

    viking68

    I've been around guns all my life and cannot see them being fully banned in the U.S. like they are in Japan or the UK. There are just too many of them in the U.S,. and there is a culture in love with them.

    Still, an assault rifle (like a Bushmaster) is designed to kill people not animals. There is no reasonable purpose for them outside the battlefield. So, why are they still being sold?

  • 1

    tkoind2

    Look just because you can find 12 writers who say that guns are great does not mean they are. Hell you can find 12 writers who will tell you the earth is flat if you look hard enough.

    What you need to be looking at are the facts in data collected about the results of having guns in our country. The stats on suicide by gun, murder by gun, accidents by gun, murder suicide by gun, mass killings by guns, robberies by guns, gang warfare by guns and so forth.

    You will find very little if any evidence that the mass presence of firearms in our society does anything more than create opportunities to fill demographic data for people killed, maimed or wounded by guns. The protection the NRA and gun nuts hope exists, doesn't. It isn't 1880 anymore people the wild west is gone and you don't need guns. Time to grow up and put away dangerous toys.

  • -2

    my2sense

    this below is 100% intelligent and logic... thx tkoined2

    Log onto Fox, ABC, CNN, CBS and NBC... the whole front US page is shootings... two cops got killed in Kansas yesterday from a punk with a gun... outside a store. Country is nuts... Oh and log onto TMZ if you want to see rappers fighting and busting caps.

    Look America. Sit down, wake up, pay attention and read the following.

    TV shows don't kill people! Guns do! People with access to guns do! You are not going to stop a single thing by taking a TV show off the air on Sunday.

    If you really want to help out Hollywood. Help us convince these bone headed fools who insist that having guns in the hands of people is a good idea. BAN GUNS. All guns. Assault rifles and hand guns 100% ban. Hunting guns, should be required to be stored at national gun storage places where they can be checked on with limited ammunition for licensed hunters who have passed tests to assure they are safe users.

    Ban ammunition sales by any shop other than national gun storage sites. And then only for use in on site target shooting, sporting events or for hunters in very limited quantity.

    Ok, so you can't ban crazy or evil people. But the simple fact is that a mad man with a knife is not going to kill anywhere near as many people in an attack as a madman with a bag full of guns and ammunition. Take away guns, you take away the chance of someone doing this much harm.

    Enough is enough now. Ban guns and stop giving the topic lip service. Only when guns are gone will these stories diminish

  • 2

    Frank Vaughn

    Tarantino, whose credits include “Pulp Fiction” and the “Kill Bill” volumes, said he was tired of defending his films each

    time the U.S. is shocked by gun violence. He said “tragedies happen” and blame should fall on those guilty of the

    crimes.

    Well said Mr. Tarantino!

  • -1

    Dennis Bauer

    Guns do not kill people, people kill people.

    I just love that faulty logic, why reduce nucluar warheads? Nukes don't kill people, people kill people.

  • -3

    hkitagawa

    It is time for US to remove weapons from civilians. There will be freedom to not feel worried about put you children in the school or not worries about lost bullets.

  • 0

    Saul Schimek

    sigh And the standard overreaction begins

    Hate to be a downer people, but there will always be diseased people who are bound and determined to create carnage before they go out in a blaze. the freak of nature that killed those kids and there is little you can do to stop them.

    I wonder if a teacher had been armed how quickly the freak could have been stopped.

    and places that have carry concealed laws tend to have lower crime rates, as an additional benefit.

    And before anyone emotionally goes off, let me simply say I view the situation in terms of people being able to defend themselves. Stripping people of the ability to defend themselves causes problems like this

  • 3

    Fadamor

    With the exception of one tabloid, they've never done what they should do EVERY time. When some nut goes on a killing spree, DON'T show their high school picture in the press. Show them AFTER they blew their own brains out or had them blown out by law enforcement. It heavily deters the possibility of someone thinking they should "go out in a blaze of infamy like this guy did" when the lump of flesh that's left is actually shown rather than some sanitized school photo.

    The only time I've ever seen that done is when the National Enquirer tabloid go a hold of some police crime scene photos of the Columbine murderers in situ. They put it on the front page. It's the only time I've EVER applauded the National Enquirer for doing something.

  • -1

    oikawa

    Stripping people of the ability to defend themselves causes problems like this

    That, or the attacker not having the ability to blow your brains out in the first place.

  • -1

    Disillusioned

    The problem is not the violence in movies. The problem is the ease of access to guns. The society has changed greatly since the American constitution was written. Could be time for an update. I'm tired of all the pro-gun lobbyists arguments. My favorite is, I need a gun to protect myself from other people with guns. Can anyone else see how ridiculous that statement is? People, wake up! You don't need guns! The civil war finished a long, long time ago!

  • 1

    CrisGerSan

    I would rather that Fox cancelled both of those horrid cartoon series permenantly they are both devoid of taste or value. As for Hollywood it is to blame for much of the terrible violence in American Society for it trivializes death and suffering and makes it seem normal. We see the result daily. Time for major changes. But i see they are not ready for that yet. I hope changes come before too late.

  • 0

    Noliving

    Still, an assault rifle (like a Bushmaster) is designed to kill people not animals. There is no reasonable purpose for them outside the battlefield. So, why are they still being sold?

    Well the guns being sold are not assault rifles, an assault rifle is a machine gun, the reason why they (AR-15's and others like them) are still being sold is because people use them for hunting and target shooting and self defense. But the legal reason why is because in the US vs. Miller court decision the 2nd amendment is about firearms that are to serve the purpose of a militia. Other rulings have also stated that owning a firearm is also an individual right and that you don't have to be part of an organized/active/state militia but that you can belong to an unorganized militia and that private firearm(s) contributes to creating a militia such as an unorganized one.

  • 1

    ushosh123

    Next thing you know, we will have crazies killing people to get shows off the air...

  • 1

    SuperLib

    Pull the movies....and keep the guns?

  • 0

    wipeout

    I would rather that Fox cancelled both of those horrid cartoon series permenantly they are both devoid of taste or value.

    You're talking about Family Guy, right? Shows like that have enormous value as entertainment. It's profane, takes the piss out of everything and everybody, and harms no one. My kind of comedy, not yours.

    Family Guy has nothing to do with the frequent mass shootings that plague America.

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    AustPaul

    I hope the US can learn sonething from down under in regards to amending their firearm laws, PM Howard said changing firearm legislation was one if his biggest achievements and he didn't even have the power to do so constitutionally.

    Any change would of course have to be retrospective and amnesties should also be considered.

    As far as Hollywood, perhaps they can produce more movies without a shootout scene/man with a gun etc...

  • 0

    mrmalice

    what a load of crap. It's the pressure in global society that causes this. As usual any conservative type will jump on occasions like this to push censorship and outdated values ... limiting freedom in the name of safety, at times when people virtually beg for it. I have seen all tarantino movies several times, and way worse than that, i have had access to weapons since i was a kid. I NEVER killed someone, not even those guilty of attacking me directly. It's a load of bull, pointing fingers at anyone but themselves again.

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    OssanAmerica

    m6bobDec. 17, 2012 - 10:05AM JST "Don't blame Hollywood for the mayhem. Blame the NRA. I just don't understand this obsession with 'the Constitutional Right right to own guns', to 'defend ourselves from the crazies', because 'criminals have access to these weapons'."

    Did a legal gun-toting citizen prevented Adam Lanza or any of those crazies from committing their acts? No, these >crazies used legally owned guns to commit their dastardly acts. Wake up, America! Something's got to give.

    No. Because the Sandy Hook school, as are most schools in the U.S., is designated a "no-gun" zone- usually within 500ft of the school. So a legal gun owner could not have been on the school grounds with a gun.

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    602miko

    the pain, the tears, the sadness, losing a child, this is not easy to move, for just a simple entertaining? ban all the dangerous stuff that can kill humans.

  • 0

    Wolfpack

    It is long past the time when guns should be banned in Hollywood movies. If we must get rid of the second amendment we might as well get rid of the first amendment as well. Slow-motion spit ball battles have a much greater dramatic effect anyway...

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