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U.S. probes claims filmmaker given classified bin Laden mission info

Entertainment Jan. 06, 2012 - 01:00PM JST ( 20 )

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MaboDofuIsSpicyJan. 06, 2012 - 02:01PM JST

Wow, classified info given freely to a sexy looking woman. Bill?
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Darren BrannanJan. 06, 2012 - 05:47PM JST

Disgusting on all levels.
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Photoman333Jan. 06, 2012 - 09:36PM JST

Well if it's true, it's still not as reprehensible as Chaney and Rove outing Valerie Plame.
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WilliBJan. 06, 2012 - 10:09PM JST

Photoman333:

" Well if it's true, it's still not as reprehensible as Chaney and Rove outing Valerie Plame. "

The opposite is the case. This would be WAY more reprehensible as Chaney and Rove outing Valerie Plame (if you even call that "outing".)

In this case, it compromises national security and risks people`s lifes. Nothing like that was the case for Plame who only was a domestic pencil pusher.
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FadamorJan. 06, 2012 - 11:00PM JST

I think the first thing that has to happen is someone needs to determine if these "leaks" to the filmmaker ever happened at all. THEN you can start in with the flaming. As of right now this is just a rumor that was apparently started by Republican Congressman Peter King back in August. He brought the rumor up then and all this article is saying is that the CIA and the Pentagon are investigating whether there's any truth to the rumor. Witholding further comment until we: a.) find out if a leak occurred and b.) find out who's responsible if it did occur.
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SerranoJan. 06, 2012 - 11:08PM JST

"the killing of Osama bin Laden"

Wasn't that technically illegal?
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Photoman333Jan. 06, 2012 - 11:14PM JST

WilliB: In this case, it compromises national security and risks people`s lifes. Nothing like that was the case for Plame who only was a domestic pencil pusher.

What baloney. She spent a lot of time overseas and people did indeed die as a result of Cheney and Rove's outing of her.
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FadamorJan. 06, 2012 - 11:52PM JST

"the killing of Osama bin Laden"

Wasn't that technically illegal?

Osama Bin Laden was at war with the United States. If we're going to speak technically, he's a war casualty.
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FadamorJan. 07, 2012 - 12:03AM JST

In this case, it compromises national security and risks people`s lifes. Nothing like that was the case for Plame who only was a domestic pencil pusher.

An interesting (though very inaccurate) use of the term "domestic pencil-pusher". From Wiki:

Plame served the CIA as a non-official cover (or NOC), operating undercover in (at least) two positions in Athens and Brussels.[19] While using her own name, "Valerie Plame", her assignments required posing in various professional roles in order to gather intelligence more effectively.[20][21][22] Two of her covers include serving as a junior consular officer in the early 1990s in Athens and then later an energy analyst for the private company (founded in 1994) "Brewster Jennings & Associates," which the CIA later acknowledged was a front company for certain investigations.[23]

Also from Wiki:

Legal documents published in the course of the CIA leak grand jury investigation, United States v. Libby, and Congressional investigations, establish her classified employment as a covert officer for the CIA at the time that Novak's column was published in July 2003.

She was working as a covert officer at the time she was outed. Anybody who had dealings with her in early 2003 was in danger.
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WolfpackJan. 07, 2012 - 01:35PM JST

President Obama will seek any advantage to gain re-election so it should not be a surprise to anyone that he is politicizing intelligence (you know, the horrible thing that Liberals claimed that Bush was always doing). It's just weird how the Obama Administration jumped on the movie angle within what seemed like seconds of bin Laden's demise.

Well if it's true, it's still not as reprehensible as Chaney and Rove outing Valerie Plame.

For the millionth time already - Plame was "outed" by Richard Armitage. Doesn't anybody pay attention to anything other than their own sides propaganda anymore?
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Son_of_LaertesJan. 08, 2012 - 01:00AM JST

For a country claiming to be free and a democracy, America's government keeps way too many secrets.

Every time I go home I am disgusted to the point of deriding all the paranoia and terror warnings very loudly as I walk along or pass through security. Interestingly, I have not had anyone challenge me on America's overblown and unnecessarily authoritarian reaction to al-Quaida etc except for here on the internet.

Does anyone really believe that anyone's life is in danger over this information? Does anyone really believe that al-Quaida is a serious threat to American soil or specific American citizens anymore? Does anyone really believe that Bigelow got the names of informants and that she is going to accidentally or intentionally publicize their names?

I am glad that some of you can keep your fear in check. Gawd.
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Son_of_LaertesJan. 08, 2012 - 01:10AM JST

Plame was "outed" by Richard Armitage.

This is like saying Jimmy Hoffa was killed by a hit-man, and the mafia boss had nothing to do with it. Please. Don't be so naive. Armitage was not acting on a personal vendetta. Even Maxwell Smart could figure out that the Bush Administration was behind it.

it should not be a surprise to anyone that he is politicizing intelligence

You might want to wait until the probe is done to write with such certainty. These claims are highly doubtful. I don't see one shred of proof of anything. There is nothing proving Bigelow knows anything, most unlike we knew for sure that Plame was outed.
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Son_of_LaertesJan. 08, 2012 - 01:51AM JST

Osama Bin Laden was at war with the United States.

The rules of war do not allow for an individual or group to be "at war with a nation". Bin Laden and his group were mere criminals. You glorify them by giving them a status only a nation can have. Please, don't do that. You also give nations the leeway to act very irresponsibly toward criminal justice. Please don't do that either. Trust me, bin Laden was not worth lowering the bar, and I hope I never personally feel any of the practical effects of doing so. But those who advocate lowering the bar on the other hand...
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unreconstructedJan. 08, 2012 - 02:09AM JST

The rules of war do not allow for an individual or group to be "at war with a nation".

What a ridiculous sentence. Who exactly makes these rules you try and invoke?
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unreconstructedJan. 08, 2012 - 02:18AM JST

Armitage was not acting on a personal vendetta. Even Maxwell Smart could figure out that the Bush Administration was behind it.

Plame's case was brought to federal court and was dismissed , which is what happens when you have no case. LOL. Even CNN ran the story. In 2007.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-07-19/politics/cia.leak1cia-leak-valerie-plame-rebutting-public-criticism?_s=PM:POLITICS
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WolfpackJan. 08, 2012 - 07:22AM JST

Please. Don't be so naive. Armitage was not acting on a personal vendetta. Even Maxwell Smart could figure out that the Bush Administration was behind it.

I wasn't suggesting that Armitage was out to get Plame (or her husband). What I am saying is that by all accounts neither Bush nor Cheney put him up to it. Do you have any as yet unknown evidence that Armitage was working for the Bush Administration? Despite the fact that Armitage was the source for the first article "outing" Plame, no one seems to be interested in going after him. He wasn't even prosecuted by the special prosecutor. The reason for this lack of outrage at Armitage is simple, the goal of the left is to get Bush and/or Cheney, regardless of the known facts. Nothing naive about that.

The problem with government is that no one takes the handling of classified information seriously anymore. Politics is more important than any national security goal now. It's a sad reflection on the state of political competition in America today. Each side is happy to let the ship sink so long as the other side is not give an advantage. The military and the CIA are not investigating the alleged leaks for no reason what so ever. There must be some evidence for them to begin looking into the matter. Since both the CIA and the Pentagon are run by Democrats now I don't believe that politics is the motivation for the investigation.

There is nothing proving Bigelow knows anything, most unlike we knew for sure that Plame was outed.

True but the investigation has just begun. And yes, Plame was outed - by Richard Armitage.
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FadamorJan. 08, 2012 - 11:32AM JST

The rules of war do not allow for an individual or group to be "at war with a nation".

Laughably false and I can prove it by pointing out ANY civil WAR that's ever happened. So much for your fanciful "rules of war". I suppose your "rules of war" state that both sides must line up in long rows facing each other, then charge upon an agreed signal? Or maybe it's just that these "rules of war" are a figment of your imagination?

I'll say it again. Osama bin Laden and the Al Qaieda group he financed declared war on the United States of America when they detonated the bomb under the World Trade Center, then followed that up with the attacks on 9/11/2001.
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DenominatorJan. 08, 2012 - 08:12PM JST

Laughably false and I can prove it by pointing out ANY civil WAR that's ever happened.

The discussion is about the United States and war, and no other nation. War is a broad word that can be used very loosely in a rather mindless way, or very strictly in a deliberate way. I prefer to use the word carefully. But however you use it, its no simple a subject that you can declare that statement as "laughably false". To wit:

"The American Civil War was not an international conflict under the laws of war, because the Confederate States of America was not a government that had been granted full diplomatic recognition as a sovereign nation."

"A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeclarationofwarbytheUnitedStates

Al-Qaida is not a nation. What we have with al-Qaida is a military engagement like we had with the Barbary Pirates, rather than what I would call an actual war.
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lostrune2Jan. 09, 2012 - 03:39PM JST

Even if true, the only unauthorized people who saw the classified info would be Bigelow and her posse, not the whole world finding out about it. Just tell them to keep their mouths shut and their movie changed or else.
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unreconstructedJan. 10, 2012 - 12:38PM JST

Al-Qaida is not a nation. What we have with al-Qaida is a military engagement like we had with the Barbary Pirates, rather than what I would call an actual war.

Whatever. Harbor transnational terrorist scum and get paid a visit by our Hellfire missiles. Have a nice day.