What is the best way to settle the Yasukuni Shrine issue?

Wednesday 22nd April, 07:36 AM JST

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shackleberry at 10:25 PM JST - 26th April

Its nobodies business, except the Japanese! China and Korea should just focus on sitting in Japans shadow and shutting up! ALL HEADS MUST BOW and ALL TONGUES MUST CONFESS: All our dead from all our wars are HEROES and MUST have a place where people can pay their respects!
shackleberry at 10:26 PM JST - 26th April

Leave it where it is! And anbody who wants to visit can visit!
Sarge at 10:33 PM JST - 26th April

As long as WW2 war criminals' graves are contained within Yasukuni and Japanese politicians go there to pray, this will cause distress in countries that were victimized by the Japanese Imerial Army.
likeitis at 10:38 PM JST - 26th April

shackleberry: Its nobodies business, except the Japanese!

On the contrary, the attitude about militarism in Japan is very much the business of Japan's neighbors and vice-versa. They have every right to voice an opinion and be concerned.

The Japanese sure did not mind making their militarism the business of even very far flung neighbors back in the first half of the 20th century!

Japan's neighbors are not going to wait until its too late again for a long time to come.
likeitis at 10:39 PM JST - 26th April

shackleberry: All our dead from all our wars are HEROES and MUST have a place where people can pay their respects!

Would that include people executed for war crimes after the war was over? This the core problem with Yasukuni you know, because it honors them right alongside actual war dead.
likeitis at 10:45 PM JST - 26th April

Sarge: As long as WW2 war criminals' graves are contained within Yasukuni

There are no graves at Yasukuni. There souls of the dead are supposedly enshrined there, not their bodies.
Sarge at 10:49 PM JST - 26th April

likeitis - OK, the souls of the war criminals are enshrined there. That's why the Koreans and the Chinese go ballistic every time a Japanese politician goes there.
nandakandamanda at 11:04 PM JST - 26th April

Sarge, no-one is buried there, and there are no graves. Just names.

Their names are 'enshrined' so that their spirits can be thanked for giving their lives to help create a peaceful Japan. Whatever they did in their lives is in the past. Yasukuni is not a place of judgment.

Many Japanese do not recognize the British and American War Crimes conclusions. The label 'War Criminal' was imposed by the victors in a one-sided show that made no mention of any possible crimes committed by the victors themselves during that war.

The Class 'A' names should be moved out to a different shrine, I agree, to help take the sting out of international relations in East Asia. But only if the Japanese themselves come up with the idea. This is a matter of honor/honour and can only be done by an honorable/honourable person when the time is right.
Sarge at 11:15 PM JST - 26th April

nanda - Heck, the Japanese didn't come up with the idea of surrendering until several of their cities were completely wiped out, two of them with atomic bombs. Don't expect them to come up with the idea of moving the names of their war criminals out of Yasukuni.
nandakandamanda at 11:19 PM JST - 26th April

I have a fiendish plan for settling the Yasukuni issue, but unfortunately it has to be secret... hehehe
Sarge at 11:29 PM JST - 26th April

nanda - Is your cunning/fiendish plan anything like telecaster's?
mushroomcloud at 09:45 AM JST - 27th April

ShackleDingleberry, my response to your idiotic post, keep Yasukuni as a public urinal, or burn it down for entertainment purposes.

Either way, the yasukuni shrine should be treated as the piece of garbage that it is.
nandakandamanda at 10:06 AM JST - 27th April

"nanda - Is your cunning/fiendish plan anything like telecaster's?"

No, but I got the inspiration from reading 2300 pages of The Warring States.
Rekishika at 07:21 AM JST - 28th April

After digging up some background information, I would like to post the raw data and my conclusions from it here for others to argue about: 1) The Yasukuni shrine is dedicated to those "who died fighting on behalf of the Emperor of Japan." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YasukuniShrine). 2) The people who earned their place in the shrine as a result of a conviction in one of the tribunals died as a direct result or during the time served because they were found guilty of any of the charges. 3) People who survived the war and died from other causes as free persons, the 1 in 5 who were found not guilty, even those convicted but released and died later, are not eligible for being added to the list. Therefore it is clear that those added to the list under 2. are not on the list for actions unrelated to what they were charged for. 4) The charges mentioned are well described by the indictment of the tribunal of Tokyo: "contemplated and carried out ... murdering, maiming and ill-treating prisoners of war (and) civilian internees ... forcing them to labor under inhumane conditions ... plundering public and private property, wantonly destroying cities, towns and villages beyond any justification of military necessity; (perpetrating) mass murder, rape, pillage, brigandage, torture and other barbaric cruelties upon the helpless civilian population of the over-run countries." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TokyoTrials). Note that these all deal with what happened in occupied territories and with people who had the misfortune of falling into the hands of the military or government. Therefore the inevitable conclusion from the presence of these people on that list has to be that to those that support the names being on the list, Japanese or otherwise, and who are aware of the above, "fighting for the Emperor" includes "murdering, maiming and ill-treating prisoners of war (and) civilian internees ... forcing them to labor under inhumane conditions ... plundering public and private property, wantonly destroying cities, towns and villages beyond any justification of military necessity; (perpetrating) mass murder, rape, pillage, brigandage, torture and other barbaric cruelties upon the helpless civilian population of the over-run countries."
likeitis at 07:46 AM JST - 28th April

2) The people who earned their place in the shrine as a result of a conviction in one of the tribunals died as a direct result or during the time served because they were found guilty of any of the charges.

Which is basically saying their crimes were all part of serving the emperor. The above is a really clever attempt to justify the war criminals being honored at Yasukuni, and took the rightists of Yasukuni decades to come up with. The war criminals who were hung after the war were not honored until the 70's. In other words, its contrived bullcrap, and it upsets Japan's neighbors because they can see right through it, as can I.