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    Michael Craig

    Patriotism is the true way of being a citizen of your country by showing your love and fighting for it out of the goodness of your heart!

    Nationalism is the darker side of loving your own country by despising others, i.e.: racism, jingoism, hate, etc.!

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    Thomas Anderson

    na·tion·al·ism n. 1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation. 2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals. 3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

    pa·tri·ot·ism n. Love of and devotion to one's country.

    I think the keyword here is "love"... There's no "love" mentioned in nationalism. Patriotism is based more on love, while nationalism is more selfish.

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    dennisyeung8

    To me, nationalism may also be a positive thing, not necessarily something negative in connotation. For instance, nationalism may result in being proud of one's national identity.

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    Frungy

    To me neither of these words are very good, in their current incarnation, they both imply a lack of criticality about one's own country, and create an environment where one cannot make positive changes because no-one will admit anything is wrong.

    I can love my children... and still chastise them (sometimes publically) for bad behaviour. Nationalism and Patriotism, as they are normally practised, preclude this sort of activity. If one criticises anything about the country then nationalists and patriots will criticise you and call you unpatriotic, a traitor, etc.

    Ironically enough historically these words were not always used this way, for example Lincoln was in his time regarded as both a nationalist (he wanted to build a single nation), and a patriot (he loved his country enough to do what needed to be done), but sadly these days these words have been warped and misused past any recognition.

    I would suggest that being a responsible citizen, both domestically and globally, is far better than being a nationalist or a patriot.

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    Thomas Anderson

    Patriots are concerned about their own country (or others'), while nationalists are only concerned about themselves. Patriots help and contribute to their own country, while nationalists use their own country for their own gain and advantage.

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    yabits

    Before defining either term, I believe it is best to consider that, fundamentally, we are all human beings first. Humans sharing the same planet.

    The stuff that devolves into patriotism and nationalism are transmitted and learned values and behaviors. In my view, patriotism differs in that is driven by "higher" ideals often stated in a nation's founding documents but not always lived up to. The patriot never looks at his/her country as a perfect or superior entity, but something that is their duty to improve.

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    lostrune2

    Hahaha, as they say, patriotism is loving one's country, while nationalism is hating everyone else's.

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    gaijinfo

    Patriotism is love of your country and your countrymen.

    Nationalism is a hatred for everybody else.

    Strong leaders instill the former, while weak leaders instill the latter.

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    Betraythetrust!

    Why should someone love their country? I cannot fathom the logic behind this. We are human beings all of which are effected by our environment. We can choose how much though. It is easy to say i am patriotic a t times like sport events and many people seriously believe their country is "good". NO country itself is good, there are good people but countries do things in their own interests, or rather the elite do. Patriotism and nationalism are both not god for the modern world. We need to see ourselves first as individuals who can live decently without being repressed by politics or religion. If we all looked at our fellow man as equal the world would live to its potential.

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    Thomas Anderson

    Why should someone love their country?

    Can you love the place that you grew up in? Maybe your own home? Your old school? Nature? The environment? Does it bring you back childhood memories? Would it make you feel sad if the place that you grew up in was being destroyed?

    If you think that your own country, or the others' countries, go in a direction that you think is not healthy, then can you try to correct it?

    It really depends on what "love" means. "Love" in a general sense means being concerned for the person that you love. You care for their well-being and happiness and so on.

    But of course many people twist the meaning of "love" and think that they're feeling love when it's something else. They may think that blind loyalty or obedience is "love" when it's not, it's an escape from having responsibilities. They may think that meddling with others is done out of love when it's really dominance. There are a whole sorts of pretense of love that people think is love when it's not.

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    yobi00

    @Betraythetrust!

    I very much agree with your point of view. By somewhat simplistic reasoning, since one cannot choose which country one is born into, there's no reason to feel special or superior about it. But then again, people are social beings with a primitive and subconscious urge for their group to be better than others. At a very basic level, nationalism and patriotism are just a manifestation of this feeling at a great scale, since countries are the biggest possible units of groups (excluding race and sex). Yes, it's true that we are all humans on planet Earth, but most are just not ready to see this as being in the same group.

    On the point of difference between patriotism and nationalism, one has a country and the other has a nationality at their core. Although it seems that nationalism is viewed at a negative light due to being used by various extremist groups. A great example of this is the Soviet Union, where patriotism was praised and nationalism shunned. Eventually though, nationalistic movements for independence in its various states were one of the reasons for its collapse, and this I consider a good example that nationalism is not necessary bad in itself.

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    susano

    A patriot will sacrifice for his country..... nationalism is just a sickness

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    gaijinfo

    Why should someone love their country?

    Nobody is saying anybody should or shouldn't. The question is what's the difference between "word x" and "word y."

    Some people are patriotic, some people aren't.

    Some people are nationalistic, some people aren't.

    Some people let other people make their own decisions, some people get all bent out of shape.

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    volland

    patriotism = IQ betwen 80 and 100

    nationalism = IQ below 80

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    Novenachama

    Simply stated Patriotism is a virtue or love of nation that comes from charity and means that we have an appropriate honor to our country. If a person is unpatriotic then he does not love his country and fulfill duties as a private citizen. On the other hand Nationalism seems to be blind and hateful like nazism, fascism, and terrorism.

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    BernieK

    Nationalism is a collective belief of nationalists. In Japan, nationalists offer the public a version of Japan's past that is cleansed of remorse for World War II. Nationalists seek a tougher stance against China and North Korea, presses aggressively for a revisionist history of Japan's wartime past, and pushes the myth of Japanese racial exceptionalism. They are politicians, scholars and journalists who contend that the Nanking Massacre was vastly exaggerated, that Japan invaded continental Asia to liberate it and that Japan was tricked into war by the United States. They anger resident foreigners, homosexuals, and women past child-bearing age,

    Patriotism, a New World concept, has about ten categories: political influence, social security, the way their democracy works, economic success, science and technology, sports, arts and literature, military, history, and fair treatment of all groups in society. For Japan it means for the "love of country"... "public spirit" ..."Patriotism will allow children to acquire good understanding of their heritage and become intelligent and dignified Japanese,' ''to cultivate an attitude that respects tradition and culture, that loves the nation and home country.'' It also gives parents in Japan ''the primary responsibility for a child's education'' -- reflecting the belief among some government officials that disciplinary problems in Japanese schools stem from lack of parental control and oversight.

    http://www.blnz.com/news/2006/12/17/Japan_enacts_bill_teach_patriotism_tism.html

    BTW, the Japanese pacifists don't like patriotism because it may trigger concerns from neighbors China and South Korea, which suffered under Japan's aggression in the last century. It is both bad luck and poor manners to be boastful about things in Japan. History really matters for the Chinese, Taiwanese, and Koreans. Also, back in the days, children were instructed to sacrifice themselves for the emperor and nation by school children teachers. They see parallels with militarism.

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    Michael Craig

    http://www.blnz.com/news/2006/12/17/Japanenactsbillteachpatriotism_tism.html

    This story was from 2006.

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    davestrousers

    A patriot is proud of and loves their country but is intelligent enough to realise that if they had been born in another country they would probably be patriotic about that country instead. A nationalist really believes that their country is intrinsically superior to others.

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    BernieK

    Michael Craig wrote:

    http://www.blnz.com/news/2006/12/17/Japanenactsbillteachpatriotism_tism.html

    This story was from 2006.

    Yeah, I know it was written in 2006, but that wasn't my point. I was hoping to get across was that patriotism is weak in Japan. It was ranked 18 out of 34 countries in patriotism in 2006, but went bottom in 2009 from this list. http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/10/01/most-patriotic-proud-countries/

    Japanese nationalism is on the rise. http://www.dw.de/nationalism-is-on-the-rise-in-japan/a-16309783?maca=en-rss-en-top-1022-rdf

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    Dennis Bauer

    Nothing wrong with Patriotism and nationalism when it is in small doses, when it becomes over-abundant then it goes wrong (same with socialism, kapitalism).

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    Fadamor

    The last time Nationalism was a big "thing" in Japan was during the years leading up to WWII, when "the hundred million" were urged to give their all for the nation's plan for a "Unified Greater Asia". Basically it had been decided that Japan was going to determine what all the countries around them were going to do. Those other countries were not consulted, because Japan was receiving "divine" guidance on this issue from the Showa Emperor, so how could they POSSIBLY be in error?

    We have nationalists in America, too. Those yahoos who blindly chant for America even when the dirty laundry gets aired. We don't use "torture" on detainees. Instead, we use "enhanced interrogation methods" and of COURSE there's a big difference in those two concepts to the nationalists.

    A patriot stands for the same ideals that their country stands for. A nationalist ignores any ideals and does anything within their power to make their nation the "top dog" - regarless of which ideals (or other countries) get stomped on.

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    Kabukilover

    Orwell said it all rather nicely in "Notes on Nationalism." To my mind, which is similar to Orwell's in this case, a patriot cultivates his or her own garden. A nationalist wants to take over the neighbor's garden.

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