3 anti-whalers injured after Japanese crew throw hooks, bamboo poles at them
In this image made from video provided by Japan's Institute of Cetacean Research, a crew member on the Japanese whaling ship Yushin Maru No. 2 sprays a water cannon toward Sea Shepherd Conservation Society activists aboard a rubber boat in Antarctic waters
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Okinawamike
Looks like the fight is on!
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smartacus
It's only a matter of time before someone is killed. I am completely against whaling but I also believe that the activists are 100% to blame if anyone gets hurt.
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smithinjapan
There you go -- for all out there who call the SS crew terrorists, we know the truth; the Japanese whaling crew is FAR more violent and engage in more terrorist activities. The good thing is that the whalers engaging in this terrorism are drawing a LOT of negative press. Keep it up, SS! You're doing great.
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Elvensilvan
Or it might be another of those fakes ... I think I'll wait for more reliable information before I actually believe anything Watson says.
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888naff
ah my heart bleeds...its like a thief complaining they cut their hands on the broken glass on the way in.
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GW
gee didnt know bamboo grew way down there!
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Cletus
So lets see, the SM2 that was slinking around the Australian mainland waiting for the SS vessel and has proceeded to tail it for several hundred kilometers has now attacked the SS crew who was trying to shake the SM2 off their tail. If this occurred on land i.e standing outside a building waiting for someone and then following them for days you would be called a stalker. If the person being followed attacked the stalker it would be self defense, so lets see our pro whaling crowd turn this around to blame SS. Now remember the facts, the SM2 is harassing and tailing the SS vessel. The SM2 has attacked the SS crew with potentially lethal weapons as the SS crew tries to stop the SM2 following them. When it has been the SS crews following the whalers they have been called terrorists and other things but when the J Government is the offender its all good in the eyes of some. Right ArrestPaul?
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marcelito
Occupational hazard - these guys know the possible risk involved in such confrontations and choose to accept it. They are doing this out of conviction for something they strongly believe in so this will continue and will keep whaling in the headlines for a while yet.
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CrazyJoe
As you all know, Paul Watson is a liar so who the heck cares whether they were injured or not?
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Cletus
Imaging the outrage if the SS crew had done this to the crew of the SM2! Certain posters on here would be calling for blood yet because its the other way around these posters will leap to the defense of the SM2 crew. Despite the fact they are the aggressors in this situation.
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Heda_Madness
In the Indian Ocean, they regularly shoot people who approach larger vessels in high speed crafts without permission to come along side. Recently three 'activists' illegally boarded a Japanese ship. My experience of bamboo sticks is they are relatively short (couple of metres or so) which would indicate that this ship was very close.
Japanese prevent further illegal boarding by SS would be a more apporpriate headline.
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Elvensilvan
To everyone who is complaining about the Japanese ships becoming violent, I would like you to imagine this situation:
Even if the YM2 is agressively tailing the Steve Irwin, as SSCS does admit, we still haven't heard of any contact beween the two ships, just between the YM2 and the rubber boats.
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It"S ME
Oh, wow and not the least unexpected.
And how close do you need to be stabbed with a bamboo pole? Never seen one past 3 metres in my MA training, anything longer and the control goes down the drain. Throw it and ..... Ditto for any thrown weapon.
Was the SM2 hunting whales actively, I was under the impression they no longer had harpoons, etc.
So why is the SI fighting with the SM2? And not the harpoon or factory ships?
I predict we will someone dying this season. And on whose card will it be legally?
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It"S ME
Make that YM2. My bad.
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smithinjapan
Heda: "Japanese prevent further illegal boarding by SS would be a more apporpriate headline."
Nah... "Japanese whalers are terrorists" is better. You guys misuse the word when an anti-whaler does something as innocuous as throwing a rope in the water, so certainly attacking innocents with bamboo poles and grappling hooks is terrorism, no?
"In the Indian Ocean, they regularly shoot people who approach larger vessels in high speed crafts without permission to come along side. "
And yet it was the SM2 tailing these crafts, not the other way around. Doh! Stepped into that one pretty easily, eh?
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Harry_Gatto
Terrorists? Terrorist activities? Terrorism? You sound like a paranoid American. It's bad enough having a permanently outraged hyper "Mexican" on here.
Watson and his people deserve all they get and more.
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It"S ME
Agree with Harry_Gatto.
The ssccs got what they provoked and need to swallow it.
Guess they won't nor will their supporters. Sad really.
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Elvensilvan
@smithinjapan
Oh yes, but who's the agressive one in terms of physical encounters? Who's trying to disable the other ship?
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Vernie Jefferies
Looks like someone doesn't like the taste of their own medicine.
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calm down
What a dribbling comment from smithinjapan...get in someone's face and you'll be pushed off..where's ' a lot of negative press '? Anyone who can read can sure see this article isn't..the one where the Aussie PM herself criticized those 3 lunatics? Is that what you're talking about?? Nah,you don't know WHAT you're talking about..and Cletus as for the aggressors, take off the blinkers and imagine what 'slow down' infers.
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smithinjapan
Harry_Gatto: "Terrorists? Terrorist activities? Terrorism? You sound like a paranoid American."
Not American, but compared to the constant harping about 'terrorists' by pro-whalers -- errr... pro-science people on threads like these I'll take your mistake as a compliment. And yet you fail to answer my question -- how is it you can call SS 'terrorists' but claim the more dangerous whalers are 'defending themselves' despite the fact they were tailing the SS ships to begin with?
Bit of a conundrum, I know, but you guys have a knack for trying to spin things so give it a go!
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It"S ME
Elvensilvan.
What would it take to clear a fouled prop in Antarctic Waters.
Specially trained divers/equipment that can't stay in the water for more than 20 minutes at the most. If the conditions are right for the dive.
Those props ain't small and neither cleared easily. If they got damaged it is end of the road for the vessel.
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Johannes Weber
Why is the YM2 tailing an SS ship? I somehow don't see any sane reason for this.
But honestly, stabbing someone (it doesn't matter if the weapon has a blade or not) to the head is (potentially) lethal violence. In an environment which was filled less with political prejudice on both sides this could never, ever be seen as legal self defense. Heads are off limits. It might be different if there are dangerous weapons on both sides - but photographers and camera men do not sound like professions that kill first...
Since all this happens in Australian waters, put them to an Australian court. Let the judges find out if the assault was justified or not. It's the only proper solution. I hope that no one gets killed.
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NihonRyu
The SS folks get what they deserve here. The whaling vessel is only tailing them not trying to illegally board them or harrassing their movement in the high seas. It's the SS folks trying to throw off the whaling ship trailing them. The SS's actions of harassing them constantly including illegal boarding that is being repelled by the whaler's. I am glad they are starting to show some balls, SS should be lucky they are not harassing the Russians or Chinese fishing vessels. They would be shot on sight in the high seas. Ditto if they were to harass a man's means of living by harassing let's say an Alaskan fishing vessel in the Bering sea. They would get more than they bargan for. I hope SS has the common sense to stop using violence as a means to progress their agenda. There is more than enough whale population for limited sustainable whaling. Who says SS or other cultural imperialist nations have a right to play god and determine what species are ok for eating and others aren't? Nobody wants to see whales go extinct especially Japanese as we like eating them but also enjoy watching them, studying them and appreciating them for the magnificient creatures they are. But they are also damn tasty to many of us!!
I hope our whaling ships meet or exceed their quota, I am cheering for them and supporting them with my weekly commitment to whale dinners with the family and educating our younger generation of how good whales are to eat!!!
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Heda_Madness
Funny, Greenpeace has condemned the SS for the innocuous rope, perhaps you want to speak to them and inform them of their errors.
I am not happy that anyone has been injured. However if you play with fire you will get burnt. They've illegally boarded, they've attempted to sabotage and have thrown projectiles. All illegal. All dangerous and all proudly celebrated on the SS website.
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smithinjapan
ElvanSilvan: "Oh yes, but who's the agressive one in terms of physical encounters?"
You're seriously asking that here? Clearly it's the whalers -- throwing grappling hooks, hitting with bamboo poles causing lacerations, and firing water cannons. Do tell us though what the SS ship being stalked did that was more aggressive in your opinion.
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Elvensilvan
@smithinjapan
Just how long are you going to keep avoiding relevant points of the discussion?
You haven't even tried to answer my two questions here, and one of them tries clarify your question with a question of it's own.
@Cletus
How can you claim the YM2 is indeed harassing the SI, when even SSCS has claimed that YM2 is just tailing them. The SSCS are the ones who are taking agressive maneuvers (use of the rubber boats, throwing bottles of butyric acid, using ropes and cables to disable rudders and propellers).
Now as the rubber boats come too close for comfort and YM2 crew uses bamboo poles to ward off the boats, you call foul?
Unless SSCS can provide eveidence that YM2 is using 50-foot bamboo poles or even portable hook launchers, it will make me think twice about easily believing them as the two of you obviously do.
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USNinJapan2
As some others have already said above, it's only a matter of time before one of these Sea Shepherd idiots is critically injured or is killed. It that's what it takes for them to learn that they shouldn't be where they shouldn't be doing what they shouldn't be doing, so be it.
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genji17
Poke the sleeping bear and this is what you get. The SS is 100% at fault and the researchers are only defending themselves. If this is actually true...
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cleo
Since when did 'scientific research' ever warrant deliberately hurting people? They're supposed to be doing nothing more than counting whales, fercrissakes.
Australia's pussyfooting around the whalers and diplomatic kowtowing has apparently convinced them that they can do whatever they like with impunity. Vicious little thugs.
Describes the whalers perfectly.
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some14some
Whalers now turn violent against humans also ?
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genji17
Cleo scientific research didnt warrant it. Self defense did. The SS are the attackers. The researches are the attacked. Your stance is absurd.
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RoninGaijin
All those complaining that the Japanese ship was "tailing" the ss vessel really have a straw-man argument. We all know what the SS intentions are. It is to disrupt and disable the Japanese ships. Therefore it makes all the sense in the world for the Japanese to want to know their whereabouts. I am sure SS would like it better if they got to do a surprise attack, but it didn't work out that way this time.
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nandakandamanda
This is exactly what Watson has been waiting for. Year after year of provocation and finally he has got some of the Japanese whalers to break ranks and lose patience. However this is spun, it can only be good news for him, thanks to the brave Guinea Pigs on board his inflatables. Even the injured parties will be happy now as they have a story, and material for claiming damages or whatever. Win-win.
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ihope2eatwhales
Japan not only has the best whale researchers, best cuisine, but also the best martial arts. How else could the crew have poked the eco-terrorist in the head with a bamboo stick, not once but twice?
SS are happy to follow, harass, and attempt to disable vessels legally navigating through the seas, but complain when they themselves come under surveillance and deliberately put a small boat out to try to prevent this because the Japanese side is prepared to defend their vessel from such attacks.
SS would not have such a "problem" if they stuck to protest activities, rather than illegal acts of piracy and eco-terrorism. Can the SS supporter explain why SS does not stick to protest activities?
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It"S ME
Yeah, like his previous claim of being shot at by the JCG. And why did he wear a bullet proof vest in the 1st place.
Never mind that the vest he wore wouldn't be rated for rifle rounds, needed and a tough shot at that distance at best giving the seas, etc.
And he pulled .38 pistol round out of it. Video has no time-stamp either.
Pants on fire I say.
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DJbooth
So funny on hear from the bleeding heart pro-whalers;"but they threw stink bombs", so we had to respond with concussion grenades, LRAD'S,( which have been pointed at flying helicopters in an attpt to destroy them & peopleon board), steel grappling hooks, bamboo poles causing serious injury to another human being, but THEY are" terrorists". YEAH RIGHT! is easy to see here who the violent "terrorists" are, J-whalers, & traveling 1/2 way around the world to do it & force their imperialistic behavior on others who choose to have whales protected in their part of the world.
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It"S ME
Also SSCS didn't file any claim on that one. Would have been a clear and shut case but alas .....
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marcelito
Oh come on, how about dropping the charade of calling the whalers " researchers" please...
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smithinjapan
ElvinSilvan: "You haven't even tried to answer my two questions here, and one of them tries clarify your question with a question of it's own."
I did answer one of your questions, yes -- I said it was the Japanese who were the aggressors, in answer to your question as to who the aggressors were. Pretty straightforward, I would have thought, but then you guys never really do see the forest for the trees. As to "who is trying to disable who's ship", in this case, again, it's the whalers, albeit they are trying to do so by injuring or killing the crew members. Easy, wasn't it? (I don't expect an answer since you clearly avoid my questions but demand I answer yours two or three times).
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Fredster
The story conveniently omits the following relevant points...
-The small boats used by SS are trying to drag ropes and cables across the bow of the J-boats in order to try to foul their propellers and disable their propulsion and steering systems - in this case to try to break the J-boat from tailing them and relaying their position to the other J-boats in the fleet so that they can avoid them....
-In order for the SS inflatables to have the best chance of fouling the props they want to get as close as possible before releasing their ropes...
-In order for the J-boats to try to counter these maneuvers they first use bamboo poles - because they are blunt and flexible - to push the inflatables away from them WITHOUT causing a puncture and thus endanger the crews ( face it - if they wanted to puncture these boats it would be easily accomplished using other methods and tools )...
-Lastly, the grappling hooks are deployed in an effort to try to snag the lines and cables being dragged by the SS boats before they can go under the boat and disable their propulsion and steering mechanisms...
CLEARLY... the J-boats actions are PURELY DEFENSIVE... If the SS'ers are going to get that close that they are putting themselves in harms way then this sort of thing is going to happen more and more...
I challenge anyone to logically refute these points - put up or shut up...
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sunhawk
i have no sympathy for the Sea Shepherd attention mongers and the suckers they charge money to volunteer on their boats.
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genji17
Stop calling the SS protesters...please...theyre eco terrorists
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Cletus
Fredster
You and others keep going on about SS using prop foulers. Ask yourself this question, why in this many years is SS yet to foul a single ship? Oh they came close a few years back however they have not fouled a single Japanese vessel. Could it possibly be correct that the J whaling fleet has prop fouling cutters installed on their vessels just like the Icelanders did many years ago. Therefore making SS efforts pointless, afterall the equipment is available and is fitted under the water line and has been rumoured to be on the ships for many years now.
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hoserfella
Go Sea Shepherd! Thats one more nail in the coffin of illegal whaling!
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It"S ME
Cletus.
Pls, explain those counter measures and and give proof for them. Links and verifiable.
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NothingTokubetsu
it's funny how people who were largely responsible for the extinction of serveral species of whale turn around and try to tell another countries what they can and can't fish out of the ocean.
They are lucky it's not 20 years ago, because we wouldn't of heard about anything of this except for how a few whale research vessels were sadly lost at sea.
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Cletus
It"S ME
Sure, as its really hard to research prop foul cutters isnt it? Do you demand everything be spoon feed to you rather than looking it up yourself..... Maybe you can prove that they arnt used! See how things can turn around on you. You demand everyone provide you with evidence but you never provide any yourself. Guess thats your style though buddy.
Moderator
Readers, please stop bickering. Focus your comments on the story, not at each other.
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valley-of-the-shadows
Nothing like a bamboo pole for causing severe pain, especially when wrapped around the head.
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Fredster
All you need to do is watch 1 installment of Whale Wars and you will answer your own question...
By your logic - If the J-boats have prop-fouling countermeasures then the SS'ers would know and it would be downright silly for them to even attempt such a dangerous maneuver...
Countermeasures or not - no such a system is completely infallible - as such, I myself would not be taking any chances of being stranded in the Southern Ocean with a disabled ship because I was too overconfident to think that the SS'ers couldn't get LUCKY... just once...
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Foxie
Bamboo poles in Antarctica? I wonder what the fish are thinking about that over there....hmmm....there must be another world out there, let's swim north. We spent enough time in those freezing waters here.
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The Munya Times
I see. They extend their research from studying how many whales can be killed before they become extinct, to how many demonstrators can be attacked with bamboo poles and grappling hooks before they become extinct. Very scientific. I hope they won't shoot harpoons at them next time.
Aggressively tailing Steve Irvin, which went there to aggressively tail the Nisshin Maru mother ship. I know, the SSCS guys tried to jam their rudders but to strike back with a direct physical assault is not right. Jamming rudders don't kill. Even self defense must have some reasonable limit according to the law. They might react with similar actions keeping the same extent or limit for self defense, but this barbaric assault just opened the door to direct physical warfare. Not good.
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WilliB
Japanese marine biologists at work, letting nobody interfere with their research, Now, that is scientific determination!
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ogtob
Sounds like the Japanese have taken a page from the playbook of the Chinese fishermen who invade Korean and Japanese waters and fight off the respective coast guards with poles.
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Familienprobleme
Its time the scientific research loophole was closed. I do not believe that in the modern world it is necessary to kill them to study them anymore and actually learn anything new, at least not by killing in such numbers. Not that I believe this was ever about research.
The whaling needs to be made clearly legal or illegal. I don't much care either way.
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genji17
Except that the Japanese are in international waters, meaning they are not invading...theyre being attacked.
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Elvensilvan
@smithinjapan
Hold your horse ... here's my answer: the YM2 is not trying to disable any ship ... rather, it's trying to ward off rubber boats who are aggressively trying hard to slow down the YM2. The SI is a ship, which is not being attacked and has previously complained that the YM2 has been dogging them. See the difference here?
Also, how long are the bamboo poles? I ask again: How close should you be to be hit by one in the face? And the hooks, how close does one have to be hit by a thrown hook?
As we can see from the picture above, the water cannon is not really an effective weapon against a moving target, as the water disperses before hitting the rubber boat. But throwing bottles of acid on the deck, where the bottles may even hit a crew member, or even the bottles breaking on deck.
So SSCS has no other picture, like when the whalers are actually using the poles and hooks against the SSCS members? They have a cameraman and a TV journalist with them. No video footage?
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It"S ME
Sorry mods.
Cletus.
You keep telling me and others to do the research but provide no proof of your own. And here is the reality we did that before we even replied and guess what? This is why we counter your arguments.
A lot more going on behind the scenes than is shown online. ;)
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WilliB
genji:
That is an interesting question. Does "international waters" mean "everybody can exploit the ressources without limits", or "the ressources belong the everybody and have to be protected".
Unless that question is address, there will be disagreement on this. But just saying, hey, plundering whales is OK because it is in intl. waters does not hold water, so to speak.
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genji17
NO silly, thats why the IJC allows for a certain amount of whales to be taken for research. This is what is called the loophole, making it legal. Until that loophole is closed, then the Japanese are acting legally. The SS are continually trying to destroy the Japanese's property and assault the researchers. This time the Japanese acted in self-defense.
Look I know whales are cute and it tugs on your heart strings, but if you really want all this to stop, work to close the loophole. Quit donating to the SS thug glory seeking idiots and pay to support evidence to close the loophole. Until then, shut it down....the SS are in the wrong. Theres a lot I dont like in the world either, but im not gonna start messing up other people property and throwing acid at them.
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nandakandamanda
The article says that the objects were 'thrown', but does anyone know if they were tied on the end of ropes and thus pulled back again, or were they lost?
Is there any possibility that the rubber dinghy found itself under the poles and hooks for a moment in the heaving seas?
Who should we believe here?
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Charles M Burns
Hmm, this could raise the bar...
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T_rexmaxytime
Video please! How Exciting!
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nandakandamanda
To satisfy my own curiosity I just had a look at the J news for the other side's view.
The pic shows one rubber boat actually coming under a ship's rope with what (?) on the other end? The article says the two attacking boats threw over 30 bottles of butyric acid and also threw ropes with grappling hooks on the end, presumably in an attempt at boarding. (?) They also had a kind of sickle and cut and stole at least one of the side buoys, again supposedly in preparation for climbing aboard. Two of the ship's crew were splashed with the butyric acid in the bottles but there were no actual injuries to the J crew. http://www.sanyo.oni.co.jp/news_k/news/d/2012011801001261/
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smithinjapan
Fredster: "-Lastly, the grappling hooks are deployed in an effort to try to snag the lines and cables being dragged by the SS boats before they can go under the boat and disable their propulsion and steering mechanisms...
CLEARLY... the J-boats actions are PURELY DEFENSIVE... If the SS'ers are going to get that close that they are putting themselves in harms way then this sort of thing is going to happen more and more..."
A decent post, but YOU also leave out a few critical elements. The bamboo poles you mention that are meant to push the boats away have been used to hit the crew members IN THE FACE! The grappling hooks you claim are to get rid of the ropes trailing behind the SS boats were thrown AT the SS crew members, hitting two in the face and shoulders. So no, that's not at all defensive, my friend, unless Japanese whalers simply have the crappiest aim in the world and assaulted the men by accident.
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smithinjapan
ElvenSilvan: "Also, how long are the bamboo poles? I ask again: How close should you be to be hit by one in the face?"
But wait! Fredster was just saying they are being used to push boats away in self-defense, not to hit people! Glad you understand what they are actually being used for -- to assault and wound SS crew members, so yes, they whalers are clearly the more aggressive in this incident.
And please! cut the 'throwing acid' onto the decks of the whalers crap. It's basically rancid butter that produces an awful smell, not something from Aliens that will eat through the ships. Throwing grappling hooks and hitting people in the face with bamboo poles is serious assault, though. If the whalers push it even a LITTLE further they're going to face even more international scrutiny, and hopefully any 'science' loophole will be closed.
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Ricky Liow
Sea Shepards are deliberating getting themselves injured for some publicity. A matter of time before they get someone kill for that extra publicity.
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codomo
When it comes to using bamboo poles, Japanese are second to none.
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Chaz Ed
If I were an illegal ship taking protected fish in protected water, I would expect to be harassed and would fight back! At the same time, they know they are wrong! The animal rights groups are and will continue to attempt to send a message to stop taking from the sea for profit and greed! The fight will continue and rightly so! I hope the Whalers loose in the end! Ignorant greedy bastards!
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saru_au
we could maybe let the Japanese "research" all whales to death ?
out of curiosity, check http://icrwhale.org/Research_results.html (warning: you may laugh your self to death, as this website they put up is a complete joke.)
and doesn't look like they published anything from 2011 "research"
nice, chow down on some "research byproducts", I wonder what the profits of this company are...
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ObviousDemon
Not much News in this......hard to believe either side in this particular case.
It does, however, point out that the "Government of Japan" boat staff will pay a HEAVY price Internationally if ANYONE sustains an injury gretaer than inflicted in weekend sport.
No matter how much SS baited them, if a SSCS member were killed, even by accident, the world will ask "couldn't you just have turned away and left.....Are you even willing to kill people to continue catching whales".
All the Political Tatemae diplomacy would very quickly dry up, and there would be a lot of pressure on Governments to prioritise clarification of legal positions, that were previously seen as "clearly dubious, but not necessarily worth spending Legal money & time on".
Some of Japan's IWC support countries might also think twice about what is being done in their name???
Today's question should not be "Who was aggresive", but maybe "Who was very close to being very stupid"????
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gogogo
I'm all for stopping killing whales but you have to expect the Japanese crew to try to stop the SS from destroying their prop.
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oberst
The Japanese whale research scientists and lab technicians should control their temper and try not to hurt people who disagree with your data. Stay focus on your research !!
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Cletus
oberst
It wasnt the scientist or lab techs, they arnt even on this boat. This is a boat load of JCG personal whose sole purpose in life is to prevent SS from stopping the Japanese commercial whale harvest.
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Guillaume Varès
From what I could understand, those injured were journalists (TV crew and photograph), so theoretically neutral (I don't think the Animal Planet crew is a member of Sea Shepherd).
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oberst
@cletus , they are if they are on board a whale research vessel. LOL
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unreconstructed
The whole stupid circus has entered a cartoonsh dimension. It's life imitiating South Park at this point. The "anti-whaling" eco-terrorists racing around on a boat named after some clown who got his kicks harassing wild animals on TV , to the delight of fat suburban flakes everywhere. The brave photojournalists and "activists" try their best to get injured in the line of duty - - grazed by a bamboo pole! or to have their clothes torn by grappling hooks! ! Oh, what bravery!
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It"S ME
unreconstructed.
Agree, it stopped being about the whales quiet a few years ago. More about ego's, etc and being anti-this or anti-that now.
Comes down to my balls are bigger than yours for most in the end.
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Terry Tibbs
Had a few fights in JP and in OZ in Thai boxing.. I'd love to show him what deep bruising really is. But seriously though, what do you expect? Serves themselves right for continued, unjust harassment.
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ObviousDemon
Please, dont take Steve Irwin's name in vain
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It"S ME
Terry.
I agree seen way worse injuries during my service, etc. Deep bruising hurts for some time though but why was he there?
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BurakuminDes
Really tough of you to insult a deceased environmentalist.
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Molenir
So, how about if you were a legal ship, legally taking fish in international waters? Still expect to be harassed? See, your statement is nonsense on its face just by restating your premise using actual facts rather then opinion. That you don't like whaling is a given. It is however not illegal for the Japanese to hunt whales, under any convention or treaty you could name. And, neither is it illegal for Denmark, Iceland, or Norway to hunt whales. They pulled out of the treaty that would have prevented it, so it no longer applies to them. Only Japan is silly enough to actually try to work with the organization designed to manage commercial whaling.
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nandakandamanda
Ah, now I have figured out why I was given two negative marks above for presenting the Japanese version with a picture and a free translation.
My bad. It wasn't butyric acid (a concentrate of the substance found in rancid butter) this time. It was paint they were throwing. Apologies folks.
I was beginning to think that neutrality on this subject might actually be impossible. You are either heart and soul for, or heart and soul against! No objectivity permitted. Now wouldn't that be silly!
Incidentally, there is a small acknowledgement in this evening's NHK news that some protestors were hurt.
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JapanGal
Excellent. Should have harpooned the ships and sent them life rafts.
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ihope2eatwhales
SSCS eco-terrorists know full well they are not playing bumper-cars.
Keep away from the ship, and they will not be hit with bamboo sticks. Only anti-whalers seem to struggle to understand this simple thing.
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OssanAmerica
First, because it emanates from Sea Shepherd we don't know to what extentthis iscredible. But even then, I don't see any problem. The Maltese tuna fishermen did something similiar to the SSCS eco-terrorists as well. Besides, SSCS themselves have declared that someone was going to get hurt and the odds are extremely high that it will be one of their members so really this isn't even newsworthy. The Research Whaling ships ships are the ones being unilaterally approached and harassed by smaller faster moving zodiacs. They warn the SSCS boats to get away with loudspeakers to avoid collision. SSCS ignores this and run their dinghie across the larger vessel's path. They approach to close proximity to throw objects and possibly to board. That the Research whalers would use bamboo poles to push them away is not uinexpected at all. One simply has to consider how closely the SSCS zodiacs are comming to them to even be able to use ":poles". If you havevevr been on moving vessels alongside you;d know the both move up and down with the waves, so if any idiot gets nailed by a pole that's not surprising at all. All crying about it displays is the lack of common sense and seamanship on the part of these eco-torrorists who are obviously unwilling to stop until one of their own is dead from incompetence.
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BurakuminDes
@ ihope2eatwhales - what are you hoping to do next? "I hope to eat sushi?" "I hope to use chopsticks?" Kindly let us know - I'm sure it will be very challenging and exciting just like your bizarre, never-ending quest to purchase whale meat from the supermarket..
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m6bob
This is like thieves complaining they tripped & injured themselves while burglarizing a home. In my opinion the SS is a terrorist ship. Don't let the 'save-the-whales' slogan fool you, they're trying to make a name for themselves.
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Kwaabish
Ossan,
Spot On.
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Masaaki Nakatsuka
First SS threwed about 30 bottles and used a knife to cut the net. What an unfair news. Should check the Japanese news media too. Know the truth.
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wipeout
SS complained last year their boat (Ady Gil) was rammed by the Japanese, causing its destruction. From the video there was a good deal of room for doubt on that, and it can be seen they ran their boat intentionally back and forth in front of the larger, slower and less maneuvrable Japanese ship. What is in no doubt is that in an earlier year, they deliberately collided with a Japanese vessel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXQq78lvKrU
which shows a pattern of behaviour that crosses the line from harrassment to deliberate endangerment, something that real sailors frown upon for a variety of good reasons that no one in their right mind would question.
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The Truth Matters
Throwing "eco" in front of terrorist makes the claim no less hyperbole and those making the claim foolish. They clearly are of inferior intellect and have no idea what terrorism means or what a terrorist is.
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Heda_Madness
The Australian media are showing video ov the SS boat coming along side and throwing glass projectiles at the crewman on board. They also show one member of the SS holding a knife as the boat comes along side.
Yet another PR victory for the SS.
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marcelito
Steve Irwin might have gotten his kicks by chasing wild animals and trying to protect the environment at the same time while some people who watch too much South Park get their kicks from being brave keyboard warriors ....wonder who the bigger clown is...anyway Steve was a good guy who did a hell of a lot for the cause he believed in...just like the SSCS guys are doing.
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marcelito
M6bob , you mean kinda like the " we are conducting research" slogan right?
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Utrack
struck in the right arm and shoulder with an iron grappling hook? An iron grappling hook? Isn't that attempted Murder.
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OssanAmerica
No it's not. The idiots ignore the loudspeaker warnings to stay away and continue to cross the vessels path and continue their harassment activities and get close enough for a bamboo pole to reach. And they do this while moving at sea with their rubber boat going up and down. It;s called "outright stuipidy".
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OssanAmerica
You're dead wrong there. Japan has asked the Australian government to stop the SSCI activity by not allowing them Aiustraklian port entry. This season Japan asked them to provide am Customs opr AMSA ship to be present to stop the eco-terrorist violence,. In both cases Australia refused. Japan has an actioin filed in the US Federal Court for the Southern District in Washington seeking ceasse and disist order to stop the eco-terrorist activity before someone gets hurt. Japan is completely covered legally and it will only be Watson screaming lies when one of his silly followers gets killed.
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arrestpaul
HAHAHAHA. The eco-terrorist SS were struck WITH THEIR OWN GRAPPLING HOOKS. How stupid do you have to be to be hit with with your own boarding equipment?
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arrestpaul
The only objects being thrown were glass bottles and grappling hooks. Both were thrown by the eco-terrorists. The eco-terrorists were hit with their own hooks. Oops.
The YM2 crew used bamboo poles to push the eco-terrorist SS dinghy away from their vessel. How close do you have to be to someone for them to reach you with a bamboo pole? I guess this proves that the JCG "WILL" touch the unwashed eco-terrorists with a ten foot pole. hehehe.
If you look at the eco-terrorist Watson's history of constant lying to attract attention and, more importantly, increase donations, there is no question who you should NOT believe and that is the eco-terrorist Watson.
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Heda_Madness
http://icrwhale.org/eng/120118SS.wmv
http://icrwhale.org/eng/120118SS3.wmv
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j7_tristan
No one in japan said nothing about it, Who care the life of these whales, maybe not everything is real in this version of the clash, although is not less important said that Japan does not act against whaling, due japan people are characteristic by his passivity. I wish from deep my heart that another tragedy hits japan, but it will be irrelevant, You´re so highly advance in technology, nevertheless like human beings lacking warmth.
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OssanAmerica
Interstingly, there is no need for any "grappling hooks" onboard a ship the size of of the YM, or most any other ships for that matter. The sheer size and weight of ships can not he held with such hooks. It seems that those grappling hooks came from the Sea Shepherd Dinghy from there they were thrown with ropes at the YM's protective deck netting. The Sea Shepherd helicopter took a photo of a Japanese crewman who removed a grappling hook that was thrown at the YM by the Sea Shepherd Dinghy. So it appears that the eco-terrorists were hurt by their own toys being thrown back at them.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112457604/sea-shepherd-activists-injured-after-clash-with-japanese-whalers/
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gelendestrasse
Maybe the Japanese government should just send a sub to tail the SS ships. It would be a lot harder for the SS guys to get in the way.
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MeanRingo
Between the corporate scandals and the whole whaling-for-research BS, it's a good thing Japan has the occasional devastating earthquake. Otherwise, they world would never feel any love from the rest of the world.
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MeanRingo
Ossan, perhaps the grappling hooks are their "tools for research". Ha ha ha. Listening to the pro-whaling crew is like listening to Bush's WMD in Iraq folk who probably continue to believe in the lies. Just ignorant fools!
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OssanAmerica
No they aren't tools for research. They are tools for ripping protective netting and creating access to a ship physically higher than you. Many of the "pro-whaling crew" are simply "pro law and order crew". The issue isn't about whaling as it is about eco-terrorism and acts of viloence at sea.
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arrestpaul
Are the eco-terrorist SS doing research? It was their own grappling hooks they were struck with. Help us, help us. We're hitting ourselves with our own grappling hooks. Somebody stop us. We're hurting ourselves. Is there no justice in the world? Doesn't anyone take pity on our own stupidity? Oh, the humanity. hehehe.
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ObviousDemon
SSCS, as many like saying, are just an amateur rabble of volunteers trying to draw attention to the issue of whaling.
YM2, clearly labelled as "Government of Japan" is supposedly manned by Official Representatives of the Government of Japan......
I assure you, regardless of laws, loopholes, or other......when somebody dies - the world opinion will squarely blame the "Official" contingent.
When a grown adult is in the pool (legitimately or not) and a bunch of 4 year olds also jump in, if one of the kids get injured, of course it will be the "Adult's" fault.....no matter what.
This is what will always be on the amateur protester's side, and the whalers would be foolish to not recognise this clear trap....
The rest of the world do not allow Japan to 'get away with" this Research crap because they agree, or can't do anything......it's just that Japan's approach would force International Governments to take action beyond the normal, polite diplomacy (eg - Take japan to the ICJ????), and without this being brought to the public's attention, it's not worth bothering.
However, when someone dies..........this whole balance will change considerably.
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SaltAire
Quote: "Their mission is officially said to be for “scientific research,” with the fleet aiming to catch around 900 minke and fin whales, according to a plan submitted by the government to the International Whaling Commission."
900 WHALES?? How much "research" needs to be done? This is all a big, fat lie and it is illegal. The only research that will be done is how long it takes the whale meat to arrive in a Japanese fish market.
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OssanAmerica
No it;s manned by civilian seaman. They have JCG officers onboard for arrest defense purposes. So when it had RESEARCH painted on the side it was doing RESEARCH right?
Not when these clowns keep openly displaying their sheer stupidty and incompetence to the entire world.
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The Truth Matters
Can someone explain to me what eco-terrorism is. It sounds like a made up word for ninnies who have never picked up a dictionary in their lives and who like to litter.
I understand what terrorism is. And I get "eco" means ecological. Put them together and you have something as stupid as...why as stupid as calling the president a crony-capitalist-socialist (which we get a lot of around here).
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arrestpaul
An amateur rabble who continually use violence as their basic means of expression. When one of them is finally killed because of their own stupidity, the public, and any court will find that people who play stupid games win stupid prizes.
The eco-terrorists are hitting themselves with their own grappling hooks. They're now pulling along side a much larger vessel where both are bobbing and yawing and they are using knives to vandalize the other vessels equipment. Equipment that was put in place to PREVENT the eco-terrorists from ILLEGALLY boarding and throwing glass bottles at the crew. When these fools finally manage to stab themselves, or each other, it will be obvious to any neutral observer that they are responsible for their own injuries or deaths.
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arrestpaul
WHAT?? Are you saying that the goal of the eco-terrorists is for one of their own to die in some stupid way so they can blame the whalers in an attempt to gain public sympathy?
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Nessie
Yeah, those Chinese fisherman should stop harassing the Japanese and Korean coast guards. That was sarcasm.
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Cletus
OssanAmerica
Thats funny because there was an interview with a spokesperson from ICR who said the YM crew in fact did have grappling hooks and ropes and where using them but said they where not being thrown at the SS crews. So as for your claim that they didnt have any hooks at all sorry but thats been blown out of the water by the ICR the very mod you are defending.
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OssanAmerica
Cletus The ICR also states unequivocably that they are conducting Research Whaling. Do you accept that?
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Cletus
OssanAmerica
Nope l dont, but l find it amusing that the mob you constantly defend has effectively blown your statement out of the water. You claim that the YM wouldnt have grappling hooks onboard yet there is a statement from the whalers own people saying they did. Doesnt matter what l think the facts are their your statement was incorrect.
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megosaa
serves them right is all i have to say.
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OssanAmerica
Post the link please
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OssanAmerica
""Two of the deployed ropes had iron weights attached to both ends. The SS activists threw ropes with hooks attached to their ends several times," said the Institute, adding the anti-whaling protesters also hurled 30 bottles of paint".
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/18/australia-japan-whaling-idUSL3E8CI2JG20120118
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nandakandamanda
It was discussed earlier in this thread. The ship has been trying to snag and lift the ropes that the SS people have been trailing in front of them in order to foul their propellors.
The SS people have also been throwing grappling hooks up towards the the ship's deck, it seems, in an attempt to board.
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Cletus
OssanAmerica
The article was run in the Herald Sun yesterday so please feel free to look it up. The article was titled Activists injured in clash with Japanese whalers.
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ElJeffeEnJapon
The video I just watched showed SS members directly targeting the water cannon operators with glass projectiles.
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Heda_Madness
Ossan, as I posted above the Australian media are showing video of the SS trying to disable the prop, of coming along side and throwing glass bottles at the person in charge of the water canon and holding a knife as the boat comes along side. Despite what the recent influx of SS supporters will claim on here, they are getting very negative press. Possibly the reason they've claimed there've been injuries is because they knew that the Japanese video evidence is so strong. Difficult to claim you've been attacked when your clearly the instigators.
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Sioux Chef
They're doing it all wrong. They need to sharpen their poles and weight down those grappling hooks before tossing them in the drink.
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Kwaabish
Yushin Maru should equip themselves with more powerful water cannons with longer range when they return to Japan to better repel attempted boardings and illegal navigation interference by rogue zodiacs.
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almostshat
Wouldn't the whale "researchers" get more productive results from their "research" by, say, putting an electronic tag on the tail of a whale and analysing its movements than killing it and selling its meat in supermarkets?
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Al Stewart
No No No, please stop. This stuff is getting riddiculous. I just want to know who attacked first?
Also I wish the news companies would stop linking these groups with the countries they hail from. These are independent groups acting on their own accord not for any government or nation. I mean seriously there are japanese people that support some of these groups.
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ObviousDemon
Arrest Paul
"WHAT?? Are you saying that the goal of the eco-terrorists is for one of their own to die in some stupid way so they can blame the whalers in an attempt to gain public sympathy?"
I'm not saying it is their GOAL, but Western Eco-Protestors have a clear history of gladly risking injury or DEATH to protect the aspect of nature they are emotional about.......chaining themselves to trees in forests......throwing themselves under the wheels of logging or Uranium trucks.....
Their game is..........you let SS harrass you, SS won........you inflict ANY physical harm, SS won......you kill a protester, SS won big time!!!!! They KNOW what they are signing up for!
Pro-Whalers can say what the impression in the AusMedia is, but I'm HERE, I've grown up with the Australian media......there is NO confusion as to what they are saying, and it is WHALING is WRONG...
therefore, in the eyes of the Australian media is; ANY injuries are the fault of the Government-organised/sponsored whaling group, because they should not be there.
you can refer to any laws that you like.......Ned Kelly was clearly a criminal.....it does NOT mean that the Australian public are against him.
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ObviousDemon
"I assure you, regardless of laws, loopholes, or other......when somebody dies - the world opinion will squarely >blame the "Official" contingent.
Not when these clowns keep openly displaying their sheer stupidty and incompetence to the entire world."
The more 'they are clowns' and you are 'Government of Japan'......the more what I have said is true.
It's like saying they're not 5 year olds, they're 3 year olds......it just makes the Adult's responsibility even more.
Is this confusing logic?
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ihope2eatwhales
You make SS sound like a cult group, as well as a group of eco-terrorists.
So I am not surprised to see the Australian media turn negative towards this group, recently.
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ObviousDemon
I don't make anything sound like anything......and I have never called anybody "Eco-Terrorists" because that would mean that they were Terrifying the Trees and the Air to get their way......
You know nothing about the Australian media if that's what you think.......
The Aus Media yesterday said that Shane Warne had a Road Rage incident against a cyclist......they said "it is being investigated by Police", but the underlying message was CLEARLY that Shane Warne is a Hero!
This is not far from how Sea Shephard are reported......always STATING that their activity was illegal (like Parking Tickets are) but with no inference whatsoever that they have actually done anything "Wrong".
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Nessie
By that analogy, Islamic terrorists terrorize Islam and Christian terrorists terrorize Christians.
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Heda_Madness
I don't think for a moment anyone is disputing that. However what the media are saying, what the blog writers are saying and what the majority of people who are commenting on the subject are saying. Is that the SS are WRONG. THat their tactics are dangerous and they should be stopped.
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Heda_Madness
So you think that highlighting that one of the protestors is holding a knife as it approaches the boat or shows the protestors are throwing glass projectiles at the people on the ship is not saying it's wrong. Just highlighting it in a Robin Hood type of way?
If you really do believe that, and I don't think for a second you do, then read the blogs. The blogs that talk about piracy etc, etc etc. All written by Australians. All written by Australians who are against whaling. All with a similar opinion of the SS.
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Cletus
Heda_Madness
And where exactly would these blogs be? Im tipping they would be a handful of Australians who are pro whaling or anti SS. So what, there are probably people in Japan that are anti whaling. Does that make them any more important than the rest. You understandably are focussing on the anti SS crowd yet you make no mention of the hundreds of comments made in media forums in Australia damning the Japanese actions. You are pinpointing a few bloggers who are critical of SS so what. Im sure l could point out just as many that are pro SS and anti Japan.
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Heda_Madness
For starters the Telegraph and the SMH both had blogs that were highly critical of the illegal tactics of the SS. Both were written by people who are anti whaling but also anti SS. I was genuinely surprised by the amount of anti SS posts beneath the blogs as I had foolishly believed that most of Australia supported the SS. If that's true then they must be the silent majority.
Two words that you would never usually associate with the SS.
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ihope2eatwhales
Your comments stating that SS people are signing up and willing to give their lives for SS publicity does makes them sound like cultists. What a weird thing to give one's life for.
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ObviousDemon
Heda..... I did mention that you wouldn't build much credibility quoting blogs from the Daily Telegraph......
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Heda_Madness
Which is why I also mentioned the SMH. But the point made to me was that only a handful of Audtralians are anti-SS.
This is clearly not the case as most Australians are intelligent. And most intelligent people abhor the violent acts of the SS.
Though I'm sure that the SS supporters will be along shortly to 'speak for all Australians.'
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Cletus
Hede, you say "most Australians" yet there was but a hundred odd posts on the smh and daily telegraph and not all of them were anti ss. So to claim "most" is a bit misleading hey!
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ObviousDemon
I'm not an SS supporter.
I do think SOMEONE should be doing something to stop the whaling ANYWHERE near Australia.
SS are the only ones doing anything.
No reports of the ACTUAL injuries inflicted by their "violence" have been seen.......
I thing that th majority of Aussies see it this way, or just don't even know or care where Japan is......
Bloggers on Newspaper websites in Australia tend to represent the more outspoken & extreme folks in society.......most Aussies don't think there's anything to discuss about whaling......they're just waiting to hear when it will be finished.
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YuriOtani
Calling Sea Shepard "terrorists" cheapens the word. Real terrorists would attach limpet mines on the ships. When then board the would do so with AK-47's in their hands instead of holding their hands up. Thus is why I call them "Eco-pests" True the "Research" fleet could shoot them with rifles but that would be like a home owner shooting people throwing eggs at his/her house. Instead of hocks and poles the "Research" fleet should return the favor and spray down the small boats with liquid stink. See how the Sea Shepard people like it. I do not like hunting whales and the "Research" fleet needs to use a measured response. The "international laws" are dated. Mostly done during the days of sailing ships. There needs to be an international convention to revise them. This includes the punishment of coward Captains and crew.
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arrestpaul
Hahahaha, you're forgetting the videos on youtube and whalewar shows that show the eco-terrorist Watson continually lying about the actions of his adoring "clowns". More and more people are realizing that the SS are eco-terrorists and Watson is providing video proof.
Of course, there are still the old, hard-core, pro-violence SS supporters who will say anthing to end all whaling. They defend the continuous assaults, the glass bottles of acid and paint, the blinding green lazer lights, the helicopter dropping objects onto the deck of the whalers, the red phosphorus flares, the rammings, the sinkings, the ILLEGAL boardings (6 fools so far), and the dragline attempts to disable vessels in the dangerous waters of the Anarctic.
They deliberately confuse civil laws with maritime laws and denounce anyone in authority who disagrees with the lying eco-terrorist Watson or who has had personal experience with him . The Australian PM and AG, Ady Gil, Pete Bethune, the FBI, nations which refuse to register eco-terrorist scows like Togo, etc.
Now they are blaming their self-inflicted injuries on their intended victims. How dare someone DEFEND themselves against attack.
Everyone has a right to DEFEND themselves against attack.
The eco-terrorist Watson represents NO authorized or legal authoritiy to attack anyone.
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arrestpaul
Not misleading at all. Unless you have numbers to back up "your" claim. If you prefer, I'll use the word "many" instead of "most" but the fact remains that there are "many" Australians who object to the repeated acts of violence committed by the eco-terrorist SS and his continuous lies.
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VicMOsaka
smithinjapanJan. 18, 2012 - 03:51PM JST There you go -- for all out there who call the SS crew terrorists, we know the truth; the Japanese whaling crew is FAR more violent and engage in more terrorist activities.
smithinjapan, I would like to give my reply but Japan Today would only delete it.
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YuriOtani
VicMOsaka, you cheapen the word "terrorists". So when a suicide bomber lets loose a truck bomb in the middle of a crowd killing hundreds, what does that make him? So far restraint has been done by both sides. If either side had wanted to use deadly force it would of been done by now. So that leaves us with the equivalent of a fist fight in the South Pacific, oh sorry Indian Ocean. One side claims the power of government, even though this is NOT their territorial waters. The other the power of their conscious. Remember just because something is "legal" does not make it right. BTW, International "law" is not set in stone. Japan bribed a number of nations to make it "legal".
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ObviousDemon
Arrest Paul....
so your logic path is, "the kids in the pool were reeeeaaalllly bad, and they reeeallly annoyed the Adult swimmer, and it's even on Video, so he's not responsible for their deaths"????
NOBODY will see it that way.
They will say "the adult should have been wise & mature enough to get out of the pool".
Thats why Adults are adults, and kids are kids.
And why Governments are Governments, and private citizens are private citizens.
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bajhista65
hahahahaha...SS asked for it. Good for them.
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arrestpaul
So your saying that if things were different, then things would be different?
The eco-terrorist SS were attempting to disable a larger vessel while in international water. While both ships were bobbing and yawing in the waves, the eco-terrorists hurt themselves.
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ObviousDemon
Arrest Paul...
"So your saying that ........"
If you want to know what I'm saying, read my posts again, and stop and think before responding.
If you don't understand what I'm saying, that's fine. I'm just happy that other readers get to see points of view from all sides od an argument.
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arrestpaul
Or I could ask a question in the hope that you could clarify your statement?
So your saying that if things were different, then things would be different?
The JT story concerns several eco-terrorist toy boats repeatedly attacking the YM2. They repeatedly dragged lines to disable the YM2 and repeatedly threw glass bottles and grappling hooks at the YM2's crew. The incompetent eco-terrorist, once again, failed to achieve their objective.
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ObviousDemon
Arrest Paul
I apologise that I didn't recognize any question in your post.....I'm used to questions starting with what/when/why/where/who etc.
Your phrasing "So your saying that...." is very offensive to me, and tries to put words in my mouth, when I feel that I have already made my opinions very clear.
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LH10
they deserve it
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Joseph Garrett Baxter
I have not decided which side to support. The anti-whalers are courageous ones and they believe in this fight which is good. The whalers have a right to kill whales too. Though I do not agree at all in killing whales I am not going to get in the way of their misfortune. The one thing I hate is the killing of dolphins as was shown in that movie. That needs to be stopped and for that I would not mind getting out the guns and shooting the people who kill the dolphins. These people protecting the whales probably feel the same way as I do towards the dolphins. But there are also cows, chickens, pigs being killed though we do not all have the same sympathy towards them except for India that says the cow is holy, but they do not stop it in this way. If the antiwhalers are vegetarians then they would not be hypocrites, otherwise we should attack them when they bite into that hamburger!
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PaulG
Yushin Maru No. 2, Keep up the good work. From Texas
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Raymasaki
Yeah Tough! these protesters have also thrown slippery stuff on the Deck of whaling ships wich could easly cause injury & have thrown stuff at them! YES all this is 100% protesters / Sea sheppards Fault! I support whaling!
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OssanAmerica
Can't believe this thread is still going on. One of the "injured" SS eco-terrorists is from my home state. If you want to see what we think of these SS clowns in the U.S. see the comments to the story.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/01/syracusemanandseashepherd.html
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David Swank
i dont think the sea shepard is to blame at all they have a right to non-violent protest like the acid bombs and the paint,water cannon but it is always the japanese who get violent so they are to blame if someone gets hurt or killed. non-violent protesting should be met with non-violent retaliation by the whalers. the japnese are walking a thin line of piratism because if it was the sea shepard who hurt the whalers with the metal hooks or the bamboo they would have been placed in jail. so why is it ok for the japanese. if they can use dangerous force on the activits then it should work the other way around to it is a 2 way street. so next time they hurt a member of the sea shepard then they should have probable cause to say the whalers are also pirates and be delt with acordingly.
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David Swank
if the sea shepard should stop and their wrong next time i pass the walstreet sit in ill punch a protester in the face because they have no right being there their not bankers so what do they know. i sound like jerk right if they have the right to mettle then so does the sea shepard we DO have a voice and the right to stand for what we believe JUST LOOK AT OUR USA RIGHTS
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