Activists accuse Japanese whalers of trying to crash into their ship

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  • -3

    jeff198527

    Can't these eco-terrorists get a real job?

  • 0

    Cortes Elijah

    Australian government won't do jack. How do I know? I was born in Australia. They are all talk no action. This whaling will keep happening unless the government does something, which they won't.

  • -21

    markandmiho2

    The activities of those interested in blocking the economic prgoress of the Japanese is unfortunate.

    Whaling is an industry, and the Japanese, have a right to pursue this industry.

    Thank you.

    Mark Kazuo Bradley

  • 4

    Alex Einz

    Step it up then! Ram them back!

  • 10

    Heda_Madness

    So the SS accept they've breached the US courts ruling that they shouldn't be within 500 yards of the Japanese whaling fleet? Trying to get Aussie support before they get hammered in the US?

    What the article fails to mention is that Australia's Antarctic waters is only recognised by a handful of countries. If Australia wants to stop the Japanese from whaling there they could take them to international court to have their waters recognised, but they won't do that because they have way too much to lose.

  • 10

    mikihouse

    wait a minute they blocked the ships way and claim they are being rammed...

  • 1

    OssanAmerica

    Let's get those Contempt of Court filings in place and the Arrest Warrants for all SSCS members. I guess they have a real problem understanding what 500 yards means. SCCS' only defense is that their ships are Australian flagged and are operated by Sea Shepherd Australia. The US courts are very familiar with the concept of Subterfuge so that's not going to fly. No doubt they'll all be applying to immigrate to Australia as they won't risk returning to the United States, but will Australia accept immigration applicants with an outstanding arrest warrant in their home country?

  • 7

    KariHaruka

    I didn't know you could ram another ship while trying to haul a dead whale onto your ship..... Amazing!

    But what really happened is. SS were acting like idiots (like usual) and tried to block the whaling ship which wouldn't of had time to maneuver away and then SS claimed to of been 'rammed'......

  • -16

    JoeBigs

    Here's the problem with all this, neither side will tell the truth.

    Each will make wild claims and with so called proof that is at best heresay.

    The truth is somewhere in the middle, but then we must ask, where is the middle?

  • 13

    zenkan

    Whatever people's views on the whaling, the claims of diesel pollution are just as worrying.

  • 12

    ChibaChick

    How did they manage to block the hauling 9 times from their 500 yard legally ordered minimum distance from the Japanese ship?

  • 3

    Saulo Akazawa

    This is getting out of hand!!!

  • 2

    Himajin

    Tit for tat, that's how the SS operates, they ram ships all the time. Whiners.

    SS also stands for 'special snowflake', how apropos...

  • 11

    Kimokekahuna Hawaii

    I live in the cradle of the whales and bang the drum when whales give birth. I see many Japanese come to Hawaii who respect nature and whales that when seen close up are enlightened.. they have ancient spirits not so unlike the old spirited away inJapan culture based upon respect for nature and self. We in Hawaii unconditionally support the ban on whaling, and find that While this is a living for some fine mariners with families to feed that these few are indeed giving those who hate Japan a reason to rally against Japanese culture. I understand when local fisherman would sail out and catch a whale that could feed an entire village as is culturally similar to Canadian Indians and Vikings ...but this is not cultural or scientific so therefore a shameful lie by greedy men who would gut the sea if they could make some yen. You do not need to eat everything in the ocean. It is corruption, ignorance, arrogance, and soon karma and from what I see in Tsukiji there are plenty of other fish in the ocean being brought in by factory ships flying the flag of the rising sun. Be careful Nippon in taking a calous attitude about this small issue to your existence. The drum beats now a curse of nature upon all who hunt and eat whale...in killing the whale you are disgracing your ancestors spirit as well as the future of the children of your great culture. It speaks to who you are as part of a global society that respects all living things. Aloha.

  • 2

    USNinJapan2

    “Is this Australian territory or not? If it is, then come down and exert some kind of authority,” Hansen said.

    If you have to ask the question I think the answer is obvious Hansen. What an idiot.

  • 0

    hatsoff

    Pot....

    Kettle....

    Black.

  • -7

    YuriOtani

    The USA has no jurisdiction in this affair. Non US Citizens, Non US waters and Non US Company. As for Paul Watson the US has no right to order Americans around like slaves.

  • -5

    FPSRussia

    The problem won't be solved till the guns come out.

  • 2

    arrestpaul

    Militant environmentalists on Monday accused Japanese whalers of attempting to crash into their ship.....

    “We blocked it for nine attempts but then their harpoon ship attempted to try and come across and hit us so we ducked away and that’s when they were able to make the transfer of that whale,”

    The eco-terrorist SS are admitting that they are repeatedly violating the 500 yard court ordered buffer zone or they wouldn't have been close enough for a "close encounter" with the whalers.

    The eco-terrorist SS also say that while there was no collision between the vessels, the eco-terrorist SS would still like a little media attention no matter how ineffective or incompetent they have been.

    The Australian government will continue to use diplomatic and legal means to address this issue and will not get involved with or condone the illegal and violent actions of the eco-terrorist SS.

  • 2

    Crazedinjapan

    Yuri slaves is not the topic here , hunting whales under the misconception of science is. Anyone from Japan or the USA should not even mention the word slaves given the history they have.

    It's obvious the court order was ignored but it isn't their jurisdiction to even place that order. It would be a international court order that could put that in place but I expect we won't see that come into effect anytime soon with all the money that Japan gives out in financing and aid.

    These activists always record their encounters by video so why don't they throw this event up online ? Probably to avoid persecution when they arrive back in the USA.

  • 0

    Probie

    “Is this Australian territory or not?

    No. It's not. There's your answer.

    Thw Whales are radioactive so everyone loses.... Sea Mammals are Mammals... NOT food....

    Great logic. Do you apply that to all the other mammals, like cows, sheep, pigs, etc that we eat?

    The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, which is chasing the Japanese fleet hunting whales off Antarctica, said the confrontation occurred after its Bob Barker vessel attempted to block the transfer of a dead whale.

    They are not allowed to go closer than 500m, so if they complain, they prove they are breaching that court order and should be arrested. They shouldn't even be there in the first place.

  • 0

    Yubaru

    Why am I not surprised? These types of accusations always seem to go both ways.

  • -6

    Rhino

    @ Kimokekahuna Hawaii

    Nice one!!!

  • 3

    snowcrashed

    USNinJapan2:

    “Is this Australian territory or not? If it is, then come down and exert some kind of authority,” Hansen said.

    If you have to ask the question I think the answer is obvious Hansen. What an idiot.

    Exactly.

    Last time I checked, the (rather huge) Australian Antarctic territorial claim was only recognized by the UK, France, NZ and Norway. As far as anybody else is concerned, the Japanese fleet is operating in international waters ..

  • -2

    arrestpaul

    Crazedinjapan - .....It's obvious the court order was ignored but it isn't their jurisdiction to even place that order. It would be a international court order that could put that in place but I expect we won't see that come into effect anytime soon

    The eco-terrorist SS are asking the U.S. court to drop the 500 yard buffer. If the U.S. based, eco-terrorist SS didn't believe that the U.S. court had jurisdiction over their U.S. organization, they could just ignore the court order and the 500 yard buffer. I believe it obvious that the eco-terrorist SS understand that the U.S. Court does have jurisdiction.

  • -2

    Crazedinjapan

    They are asking for the order to be dropped as a enforcement publicity stunt most likely. As for them saying they have control on what these ships do outside their territorial waters unless they are backed by the UN or any other international organization I'd say they have squat they can say about that. USA doesn't own international waters. If they are terrorists as few people try to classify them as then why doesn't the USA charge all the peiple that give charitable donations to this organization ?? People always take negative views to their actions but its doing what it's supposed to be doing and drawing and focusing attention at the loophole Japan issues so it can keep its supply of pet food up. Watch the price of that go up now that their quota has been missed greatly this year.

    It's wrong to use this loophole in the name of science. They can learn to find better and new improved ways of studying these mammals ...that's what science is all about...creating new and improved less damaging more efficient methods.

  • 0

    Scrote

    arrestpaul: Sea Shepherd should ignore the US court order. I'm fed up with the US trying to force its laws on everyone else. I'm not American, I have no vote in the US and US laws do not apply to me. The Japanese whalers are in international waters, helping themselves to whales that belong to everybody. I say they should not be there and I support any action to prevent their activities. You can keep calling it "terrorism" all you want, but it's nothing of the sort.

  • 1

    wtfjapan

    ah this publicity is priceless you mark my word in the coming years there will be so many SS ships down there that the whalers wont even have room to burp let alone do whaling. more Japanese tax payer money down the drain. whaling will die a slow miserable death. BRING ON THE PAIN SS (special snowflake) yep have enough of them and they will suffocate you. special snowflake indeed. LOL

  • -4

    basroil

    the confrontation occurred after its Bob Barker vessel attempted to block the transfer of a dead whale.

    So, now they are finally claiming they violated the injunction directly? Time for SS to be stripped of tax exempt status, an arrest warrant for the leaders based on contempt of court, and their ships to be impounded as collateral for when they are asked to pay up

  • -3

    Disillusioned

    This article has been edited for Japanese media. The whalers have also been dropping fouling ropes. It also fails to mention the strong objection made to Japan by the Oz gov about entering the Oz EEZ and killing whales in the sanctuary which Japan refuses to acknowledge. It also fails to mention that Australia is considreing sending a customs ship to oversea their activities. The Oz gov have played hard ball with other countries illegally fishing in their EEZ in the past, but are hoping to find a politically correct solution to Japan's whaling. Unfortunately, the Japanese seem intent on ignoring any international pressure and continuing their BS research regardless.

  • -6

    basroil

    DisillusionedFeb. 19, 2013 - 11:06AM JST

    This article has been edited for Japanese media. The whalers have also been dropping fouling ropes. It also fails to mention the strong objection made to Japan by the Oz gov about entering the Oz EEZ and killing whales in the sanctuary which Japan refuses to acknowledge

    What the hell are you talking about? There is no such place because nobody has territorial rights in antarctica.

  • 5

    andersenwhales

    Last time I checked, the (rather huge) Australian Antarctic territorial claim was only recognized by the UK, France, NZ and Norway

    Norway has never recognized Australia´s claim.

  • 3

    oldsanno

    This article has been edited for Japanese media. The whalers have also been dropping fouling ropes.

    AFP never edits for Japanese, usually against.

    SS drops " fouling ropes" NOT the whalers.

    It also fails to mention that Australia is considreing sending a customs ship to oversea their activities.

    The opposition said that. The current gov't said the can and will do nothing.

  • 3

    CrisGerSan

    Impeding the free movement of legal ships at sea is piracy and an international criminal offense. This continued grandstanding and holiganism by eco activitsts..... i wanted to say eco freaks and eco geeks, is just plain silly. and dumb. It makes for colourful news which is why they do a lot of dangerous and foolish things. I wish they would get a life. Or something useful to do.

  • 7

    andersenwhales

    If Sea Shepherd is concerned about saving the whales they would be saving the most critically endangered whale in the world. The Atlantic Right Whale. They are on the brink of extinction.

    From Wiki.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_whale

    To this day, neither the American government or the Canadian government or Paul Watson has even lifted their little pinky finger in order to save the extremely endangered Right Whale. How can Sea Shepherd and other people call yourself to be a part of the Save the whale movement when you keep ignoring endangered whales?

    Japan on the other hand is hunting non endangered minke whales sustainably.

  • 2

    andersenwhales

    Sea Shepherd and all people who support them are driven by the hate of people who hunt whales more than the love of whales.

  • -4

    Onniyama

    Can't these whalers (who only exist through tax support) get a real job?

  • -10

    cleo

    These activists always record their encounters by video so why don't they throw this event up online ?

    It is up online.

    http://www.seashepherd.org.au/news-and-media/2013/02/16/sea-shepherd-australia-shuts-down-illegal-japanese-whale-poaching-operations-1496

    Seven hours of the whale hanging upside down with its head in the water, its body being bashed against the ship before they get it up the slipway, and as they do it's pouring blood into the sea. I'm thinking that poor whale wasn't dead when it was lashed to the side of the ship.

  • -8

    Disillusioned

    Basroil - Last time I looked at a map around one third of Antarctica is Australian territory. I guess the cartographers got it wrong. Are you also gonna dispute that Macquarie Island is not Australian territory?

    Here is the other unedited article: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/whale-watch/sea-shepherd-activists-in-standoff-with-japanese-whalers-20130216-2ejfz.html

  • -3

    tmarie

    Can't these eco-terrorists get a real job?

    Funny, I think the same of the whalers.

    Japan claims culture. Where in their history were they hunting whales in the Antarctic with ships and fish finders? Perhaps they could take a page from native Americans and hunt traditional if they want to claim "culture" and "tradition"? I do wish Oz would take Japan to task for this. Research my bum...

  • -9

    tmarie

    The USA has no jurisdiction in this affair. Non US Citizens, Non US waters and Non US Company. As for Paul Watson the US has no right to order Americans around like slaves.

    Watson is Canadian and why on earth are you going on about the US? No one has said the US needs to step in and say something in this event.

  • -2

    basroil

    DisillusionedFeb. 19, 2013 - 11:35AM JST

    Last time I looked at a map around one third of Antarctica is Australian territory. I guess the cartographers got it wrong

    Yes, they did, since no territorial claims can be enforced, and less than 5% of countries accept territorial claims in Antarctica (and UN says no).

    Are you also gonna dispute that Macquarie Island is not Australian territory?

    That has nothing to do with this, since this was in your link:

    The group says the Yushin Maru No 2 harpooned the whale shortly before 6pm inside Australia's Antarctic Territory, some 92 kilometres from Australia's Davis research station.

    As you can see, this is a clear violation of international law (and a US injunction) in the high seas, and Australia has no claim to anything.

  • 9

    OssanAmerica

    YuriOtaniFeb. 19, 2013 - 09:23AM JST The USA has no jurisdiction in this affair. Non US Citizens, Non US waters and Non US Company. As for Paul Watson >the US has no right to order Americans around like slaves.

    Sea Shepherd is based in Washington State, USA. Furthermore, SSCS and Paul Watson in personam have already accepted the jurisdiction of the US Court. Sea Shepherd just made an unsuccessful attempt to get the restraining order dropped which does not allow them to get within 500 yards of he whalers. Sea Shepherd know that the US court has jurisdiction over them Paul Watson is not a slave, he is a wanted fugitive from justice.

  • 5

    USNinJapan2

    Disillusioned

    The whalers have also been dropping fouling ropes.

    Nope, that's an outright lie. Post a link to a MSM story that reports this if you can.

    ...about entering the Oz EEZ and killing whales in the sanctuary which Japan refuses to acknowledge.

    Entering the EEZ? Yes, because they have every legal right to per UNCLOS.

    Entering the EEZ AND killing whales? No, all whaling is conducted OUTSIDE Australia's EEZ so they have absolutely no authority over it.

    Japan does recognize the Souther Ocean Whale Sanctuary as a member of the IWC. However, as a member of the IWC it also chooses to conduct lethal research whaling which IS permitted by the IWC. If you choose to believe that this research whaling is commercial whaling in disguise, that's fine, but your grievance should be with the IWC for permitting Japan's research whaling and not with Japan for doing something legally sanctioned by IWC rules.

    The Oz gov have played hard ball with other countries illegally fishing in their EEZ in the past, but are hoping to find a politically correct solution to Japan's whaling.

    Wake up and smell the coffee. The whaling is not and never has been conducted in Australia's EEZ. The ships merely transit through it, which means Australia has NO customs authority over them unless they enter it's actual territorial waters <12NM. FYI the only authority Australia has in the EEZ is over resources mined, fished, etc. out of it, not over resources acquired elsewhere that is simply being transported through it.

  • -8

    smithinjapan

    Wouldn't be the first time these Japanese eco-terrorists rammed a ship.

    “The rules say that you can’t drop any amount of fuel into the Antarctic territory. And you are especially not allowed to drop fuel that is a cargo fuel and this is a cargo fuel that they are dropping.”

    There you go. More proof that on top of being terrorists, according to Ossan's own previous arguments and links to what defines an eco-terrorist by the FBI, they are destroying more of the eco-system than previously known. Keep on these terrorists, SS!

    KariHaruka: "I didn't know you could ram another ship while trying to haul a dead whale onto your ship..... Amazing!"

    What you DO seem to know is that you don't need to READ the article, per se, but can read INTO it whatever you like. You see, a 'harpoon ship' has the word 'harpoon' as modifier of the noun 'ship', making the purpose of the ship to harpoon, like the Yushin Maru 3 or whatever the current ship is named. Then you have another ship, a factory ship (factory being the modifier), like the Nisshin Maru 2. SS was could have been blocking the latter from transferring the dead while when, as the article states, "“We blocked it for nine attempts but then their harpoon ship attempted to try and come across and hit us..." Watch any kind of team sporting event where a defender is going a good job of not allowing the offense to get through with ball/puck (or what have you), and you'll see another person on offense come and get the defender out of the way, often by illegal shoving, ramming, tripping, or what have you, so that the original offense can continue as they were.

    Jeff198725: "Can't these eco-terrorists get a real job?"

    Yes, after the Japanese government stops subsidizing them only to let most of their meat rot in freezers because no one wants it.

  • 1

    Probie

    Seven hours of the whale hanging upside down with its head in the water, its body being bashed against the ship before they get it up the slipway, and as they do it's pouring blood into the sea. I'm thinking that poor whale wasn't dead when it was lashed to the side of the ship.

    It was probably "hanging upside down with its head in the water" for 7 hours because the SS were stopping them haul it in.

  • 3

    letsberealistic

    "@andersenwhales

    Whaling is not a tradition in Japan, only in Wakayama. The whaling fleet is NOT from Wakayama.

    Frozen beef stocks are always consumed, whaling meat stocks are not being consumed by Japanese because almost nobody wants it - it's a waste.

    Everybody in Japan knows a whaling industry is completely unviable because they don't eat or want to eat the stuff! (apart from a select few who remember the whale meat in school lunches after the war, which interestingly was MacArthur's idea).

  • -8

    tmarie

    It was probably "hanging upside down with its head in the water" for 7 hours because the SS were stopping them haul it in.

    Yes, I am sure that whale harpooned itself and then strung itself up on the Japanese whaling ship...

  • -4

    Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

    Hopefully, the SS ships will sink.

  • -10

    YuriOtani

    Hopefully the Australian government will board the Japanese Ships and find illegal whale meat. Then bring them into Australian port as criminals. Before you get too huffy the Americans board ships in their EEZ and take illegal drugs. I do not see the difference, so the Aussies need to grow a spine. A lot of this is new territory when it comes to law. Let the Japanese whalers set legal precedence. Take the ships give the ships officers jail time and deport the crews. Do what the USA does in its EEZ with drug runners but in this case it is whale meat which is illegal in the USA as well.

  • -3

    Andre Hut

    The Japanese are the eco-terrorists. They are the ones bringing killing machines into the soverign territory of Australia. Sea Shepherd Australia is in charge of this operation, not Sea Shepherd United States. The US court has no authority over an Australian corporation acting on non-US registered ships in Australian waters. Paul Watson is not in charge and is no longer president of Sea Shepherd. Sea Shepherd Australia is NOT BASED IN THE US. Learn your facts before you speak.

    The Japanese are in violation of Australian laws in Australian territory. Why is it so hard for some idiots to figure this out? If Australian ships were hunting in Japanese waters, the Japanese navy would be all over them. The Australian government needs to stop fearing Japan and send their navy down there to stop the eco terrorism of their territory by Japan. So there.

  • 1

    megosaa

    “We condemn the activity Japan is involved"

    while they've been condemning you terrorists for years...

  • 2

    basroil

    YuriOtaniFeb. 19, 2013 - 01:40PM JST

    Hopefully the Australian government will board the Japanese Ships and find illegal whale meat.

    They have so legal authority to board a Japanese vessel that is properly flagged and not engaging in resource collection within the economic exclusivity zone. And whale meat is not illegal, even under the commercial ban, since the whales collected are not endangered

    Then bring them into Australian port as criminals.

    That would require them to break laws within australian territorial waters, for economic zone activities, they can only be detained until their embassy gets access.

    Before you get too huffy the Americans board ships in their EEZ and take illegal drugs. I do not see the difference, so the Aussies need to grow a spine.

    I see a big one, namely that pirate ships are covered in a different section and have no rights of passage. The Japanese ships are not pirate ships, and are classified by everyone including the australians as fishing boats and cargo carriers.

  • 1

    Andre Hut

    Japan and its whaling actions makes it one of the most dishonorable countries in the world. Mark "Bad" if you agree...

  • 1

    Probie

    It was probably "hanging upside down with its head in the water" for 7 hours because the SS were stopping them haul it in.

    Yes, I am sure that whale harpooned itself and then strung itself up on the Japanese whaling ship...

    If it was harpooned, it's going to die. When the SS stop them hauling it on board to kill it, it's being put through more suffering because of the SS.

    Trying to stop the ships harpooning the whales, I can understand; but trying to stop them get the whales on board is stupid.

  • -5

    wtfjapan

    @Himajin according to him SS also stands for "Special Snowflake" very appropriate, get enough of them and youve got an avalanche! GO SS!!! LOL

  • -5

    tmarie

    Probie, while I agree with you about the lengthening of suffering, the reason the whale was suffering in the first place is because of the Japanese whalers. Trying to blame the SS for it is shifting blame. Plus, we have no idea if the whalers would actually put the whale out of its misery right away. They aren't exactly known for being humane.

  • 0

    letsberealistic

    Since NZ and Australia have a whale-watching industry around their territorial waters, isn't it insensitive and arrogant of Japanese whalers to hunt and kill those same whales near Australian and NZ waters? Nobody brings this up, but it just seems...well, shitsurei.

  • 6

    cabadaje

    @YuriOtani

    illegal whale meat

    How would it be illegal? What law or laws would make it illegal?

    Piracy has a long, long tradition and the punishment for that is dictated by tradition as well. Threatening, boarding, willfully endangering, intentionally sabotaging, these are all the tools of pirates. This whaling is not illegal and you cannot cite any laws which make it so. There isn't a government in the world that claims it is. The closest to it has been the NON-mandatory moratorium, which INCLUDES an entire article on how to go about killing whales.

    Pirates and drug runners. And you are comparing them to fishermen. That is seriously twisted.

    There comes a point when reason and rationality are overcome by sheer emotion, and at that point is when people are capable of rationalizing the most ludicrous arguments in their minds. When you cannot tell the difference between a drug runner and a fisherman, you have reached that point. When the lives of animals take precedence over the lives of people, you have reached that point.

    It isn't even about the minutia. It isn't even about the general lack of knowledge in whaling, or international law, or anything about the actual process. Just the sheer logic (or lack thereof) alone of some of these actions and arguments should be enough to give people pause.

    The Seas Shepherd is willing to take the case all the way to the Supreme Court (who doesn't actually review these sorts of cases), but they actively and unashamedly violate the ruling of the lower court? That indicates people who are willing to respect the law?

    Japanese whaling is a cover-up for commercial whaling? Either something is commercial or it isn't. If there is no marketing, no branding, little to no distribution, and stock is limited to left-overs from other ventures, then it isn't commercial. It's recycling. You can't have it both ways.

    It is corruption, ignorance, arrogance, and soon karma and from what I see in Tsukiji there are plenty of other fish in the ocean being brought in by factory ships flying the flag of the rising sun.

    @Kimokekahuna Hawaii "Corruption", "Arrogance", and "Ignorance"?

    Is that what is making Japan honor a voluntary agreement that it was coerced (and later betrayed) into joining, and which it can walk out of any time it wishes?

    Be careful Nippon in taking a calous attitude about this small issue to your existence. The drum beats now a curse of nature upon all who hunt and eat whale...in killing the whale you are disgracing your ancestors spirit as well as the future of the children of your great culture. It speaks to who you are as part of a global society that respects all living things. Aloha.

    What kind of curse do people who try to spirit-shame other cultures, their ancestors, and their future children, get? Or is it one of those spiritual things that eventually justifies referring to the other culture as "Evil!"

  • -2

    wtfjapan

    @probie its about stopping them harpooning whales, stopping them getting them on board so they can cut it up and make a profit. the more they hinder the whalers in everything they do the longer it takes for them to process the whales, whalers are only down there for a limited amount of time before winter sets in and the whales leave north to warmer waters

  • -3

    andersenwhales

    Now that SS no longer pose any threat or a risk to the Japanese, let the hunting begin. Good hunting Japan!

  • -1

    wtfjapan

    7hrs to get one whale on the processing ship, I think its going to be a long hard season for the whalers. LOL

  • -3

    Crazedinjapan

    TMarie , don't let your fingers do any more talking. If you were current on the group you'd know Watson is Canadian, he's also stepped down, it is a USA based group and there is a court order stipulating that they keep their distance because of Japan putting pressure on the USA. Whether the USA has any jurisdiction on those waters is to be a debate in itself. It is like saying a American that commits a offense in Canada van be arrested by US authorities . In order for the USA to do so it first must ask Canadian or whatever country the offense was committed in for permission from them to arrest anyone.

    There is a order, if the USA was going to intervene I'm sure they'd be down there now arresting and holding whatever vessel was involved. I suspect those people will be detained once they return to the USA.

  • -5

    cleo

    If it was harpooned, it's going to die.

    Eventually. Thing is, the whalers try to tell us that the vast majority of the harpooned whales die instantaneously and that a 'secondary killing method' is used if the first shot is not instantly fatal. They also claim that the average time to death is around two minutes, which means that if we accept their claim that most deaths are instantaneous, those that don't die immediately take a lot longer than two minutes.

    When the SS stop them hauling it on board to kill it, it's being put through more suffering because of the SS.

    They're not supposed to 'haul it on board to kill it', it's supposed to be dead instantaneously in the water. It's pretty common knowledge that this isn't what happens, of course.

    http://theexplodingwhale.com/wordpress/wp-content/taxonomy/HumaneKilling.pdf

    Trying to stop the ships harpooning the whales, I can understand; but trying to stop them get the whales on board is stupid.

    If the harpoon ship cannot load a whale it has harpooned onto the factory ship, it cannot go off after the next whale. So preventing them getting the whales on board the factory ship is a simple, effective way of shutting down the hunt, without putting yourself between the whale and a crazy harpoonist.

  • 4

    cabadaje

    @Andre Hut

    The Japanese are in violation of Australian laws in Australian territory.

    And yet, no country, including Australia, is up in arms about it.

    Why is it so hard for some idiots to figure this out?

    Well...every single one of those idiots who deal with things like international law all around the world could be wrong...

    Or just a specific set of idiots specializing on this one subject could be wrong.

    If Australian ships were hunting in Japanese waters, the Japanese navy would be all over them.

    Yes, they would. And the other governments would support Japan, because they agree on what Japanese territorial waters are.

    See a pattern yet?

    The Australian government needs to stop fearing Japan and send their navy down there to stop the eco terrorism of their territory by Japan.

    Hmm...having worked with the Royal Australian Navy before, I am fairly certain that fear of Japanese fishermen isn't high on their list of threats. So, it is unlikely that fear is what is preventing them from taking action

    Then why aren't they out there? Out where? In the Australian Antarctic territory? Surely, they have jurisdiction, right?

    Hmm...

    So there.

    Indeed. A Navy which is fully capable of, but does not, enforce not just its own laws, but international laws in its territory. Unless, of course, it isn't in its territory. In which case, it would be one country illegally boarding a ship of another country, which has quite severe diplomatic repercussions. So one has to ask oneself: Is Australia being smart about it, and deciding that it is not a good time to try and enforce its claim to the waters? After all, fishing in their waters would be pretty much the only thing the Japanese whalers would be doing illegally.

    But if that was the case, then why, when Australia filed proceedings in the ICJ against Japan...where the international waters not mentioned? The whole of the suit revolves solely around the legitimacy of the research requests, not on whether any laws where broken.

    Australia (at least, their government) seems perfectly willing to not enforce this territory as their jurisdiction. That argument is simply a non-starter.

  • 7

    Nessie

    The USA has no jurisdiction in this affair. Non US Citizens, Non US waters and Non US Company. As for Paul Watson the US has no right to order Americans around like slaves

    Yuri, you've been schooled on this again and again. How long are you going to keep posting this? SS is incorporated in the US.

  • -4

    Probie

    @probie its about stopping them harpooning whales, stopping them getting them on board so they can cut it up and make a profit. the more they hinder the whalers in everything they do the longer it takes for them to process the whales, whalers are only down there for a limited amount of time before winter sets in and the whales leave north to warmer waters

    You are completely missing the point I was making. So, I'll say it again.

    If the whale is harpooned, it's going to die. When the SS stop them hauling the whale onboard, it just means the whale is going to suffer longer before it's put out of it's misery.

    Which means: the SS promotes cruelty to animals.

  • -7

    tmarie

    TMarie , don't let your fingers do any more talking. If you were current on the group you'd know Watson is Canadian, he's also stepped down,

    Perhaps you should follow your own advice as my comment was a reply to someone's comment that commented on him. I am current enough to know that they are doing a great job at being a pain in the butt to Japanese whalers.

  • 1

    Probie

    If the harpoon ship cannot load a whale it has harpooned onto the factory ship, it cannot go off after the next whale. So preventing them getting the whales on board the factory ship is a simple, effective way of shutting down the hunt, without putting yourself between the whale and a crazy harpoonist.

    Well then, I hope the whalers go around harpooning whales for the hell of it and just leaving them to sink back into the ocean while the SS cry and stamp their feet.

    BTW, the only "crazy" people out there are the quorn-loving SS sheep.

  • -1

    JaneM

    Since (as stated many times before) Japan is officially allowed by the international community and the IWC to conduct lethal research on whales and it does the research on the non-endangered minke whales, my question is: what is the point of wasting the meat by disposing of it?

    Many of my colleagues do enjoy whale meat at restaurants – as do many other customers who frequent such restaurants because they do want to eat whale. So statements that nobody eats whale in Japan any more express rather wishful thinking than fact.

    @Kimokekahuna Hawaii So if a whale (you do not specify whether an endangered species or not) is killed to feed a village, it is ok? But if it is killed for research and then, instead of throwing the meat away (or in other words wasting it), it is sold or even stored as food, it is a crime?

  • -5

    letsberealistic

    @Jane

    I don't think anybody, including some of the SS, would say it's wrong to eat whale meat. It's fine that 'some' Japanese love to eat whale meat. Great. The point is why is large scale whaling necessary in a country that, largely, DOES NOT eat, or will never eat whale meat, in oceans far from the homeland, and masked as research? Why is that even happening at all? I think that's why SS and other are so adamant in their protests.

    There is some local whaling in small areas of Japan like Wakayama that would be more than enough to supply the limited taste for whale meat in Japan. Why the need for the large scale in foreign waters?

    And why the large support of that by commentators on this forum?!

  • 1

    Heda_Madness

    Whaling is not a tradition in Japan, only in Wakayama.

    And the award for the most incorrect post of the day goes to...

    This is something the SS have tried to claim on many occasions. Unfortunately there is evidence to the contrary. Books in the 7th century, harpoons that date back to BC, lots of physical evidence that Japan has a traditional whaling industry.

  • 3

    Heda_Madness

    There is some local whaling in small areas of Japan like Wakayama

    Why the fascination with Wakayama? Are you suggesting it's the only place that whaling occurs or has occurred?

  • 0

    arrestpaul

    letsberealistic - .....Why the need for the large scale in foreign waters?

    I think you mean "International" waters. International waters do not belong to any nation and can be used by any nation.

  • -3

    letsberealistic

    @Heda_Madness

    Read up. Wakayama is the only place in Japan where whaling was ever conducted on a large scale. http://www.facts-about-japan.com/whaling-history.html

    All other whaling took place in small fishing villages using nets and was never eaten as a stale by the Japanese people until after the war (when there was a shortage of food and that ended in the sixties because most people didn;t care much for it).

    How many Japanese in the last 40 years have eaten whale meat, very few. So the point is, whaling WAS a tradition among ancient Japanese, but no longer is. So is whaling a Japanese tradition? No more than samurai, wolf hunting, ninja or seppuku are.

  • -1

    funkymofo

    Probie, The whalers claim that their grenade tipped harpoons kill the whale within a couple of minutes- a claim that is blatantly false, as Cleo wrote. Then you blame the Sea Shepherd for causing the suffering, rather than the barbarians that fired the torpedo in the first place- curious logic. You then go on to say you hope the whalers start going around harpooning whales 'for the hell of it'- thank you for laying bare the moral bankruptcy of your argument. Spoken like a true poacher.

  • 4

    Heda_Madness

    So because it's the only place that it was done on a large scale therefore it's the only place that's a tradition is it? And really, you still maintain that Wakayama was the ONLY place where they did large scale whaling?

    How many Japanese in the last 40 years have eaten whale meat, very few.

    10? 20?

    Reinventing the definition of words doesn't make you remotely correct

  • 5

    Heda_Madness

    Your link is hillaroious. It mentions Wakayama once as the area where a new form of whaling began, it also says:

    For a great portion of history the Japanese have obtained their food, oil, and other materials from whales.

    Remember this is to support your assertion that:

    Whaling is not a tradition in Japan, only in Wakayama

  • -5

    letsberealistic

    @Heda_Madness

    I chose that link because it was slightly biased (Japanese government made), but still emphasizes Wakayama although it's emphasis is on the introduction of new techniques, Wakayama is well known as the whaling and dolphin hunting center of Japan.

    I didn't say it WASN'T a tradition I said it is 'no more' a tradition. It's dead, extinct, no more.

    I agree whaling WAS a part of some areas of Japanese culture for a long time, absolutely. The point is, it is no longer tradition.

    Because something was once a tradition does not mean it should be resurrected. Whaling was a tradition in Europe and America for hundreds of years as well that doesn't mean we should all start whaling again, does it?

  • -3

    smithinjapan

    Probie: "You are completely missing the point I was making. So, I'll say it again. If the whale is harpooned, it's going to die. When the SS stop them hauling the whale onboard, it just means the whale is going to suffer longer before it's put out of it's misery."

    Actually, it's YOU who are missing the point, and saying that you think Japanese whalers should just go around harpooning whales for the fun of it doesn't help the whole "it's for science" argument or your previous argument on another thread that they are not using loopholes (you contradict yourself at least twice on this thread alone, not to mention you contradicting the aforementioned stance on 'exploiting loopholes'. I know you said because you don't like the language it is therefore wrong, but the language and the fact that they are exploiting loopholes is correct).

    Heda_Madness: "For a great portion of history the Japanese have obtained their food, oil, and other materials from whales."

    I know you are quoting from another poster's source, but just to point out that anyone who claims it's an ancient tradition to go to the Southern Ocean, spilling oil from diesel ships and committing eco-terrorism, really doesn't understand the terms 'ancient' or 'tradition', not to mention the fact that they are completely admitting it has nothing to do with science when they fall back on the 'tradition' argument.

  • -4

    letsberealistic

    @arrestpaul

    I think you mean "International" waters.

    Thank you for correcting me. Why the necessity for whaling in international waters, near NZ and Australia? Why not hunt whales near Japan where it was once a tradition? Have all the Japanese area whales been hunted to extinction?

  • 2

    arrestpaul

    Scrote - Sea Shepherd should ignore the US court order. I'm fed up with the US trying to force its laws on everyone else. I'm not American, I have no vote in the US and US laws do not apply to me. The Japanese whalers are in international waters, helping themselves to whales that belong to everybody. I say they should not be there and I support any action to prevent their activities. You can keep calling it "terrorism" all you want, but it's nothing of the sort.

    The U.S. FBI considers the eco-terrorist SS to be eco-terrorists. I'm glad you understand that, "The Japanese whalers are in international waters". Many of the people who support the repeated acts of violence committed by the eco-terrorist SS don't seem to understand that fact.

  • 3

    KiwiJP

    The Japanese government has been accused of using tsunami relief funding to support its struggling whaling industry. Data based on government figures show that government subsidies, which usually average about 782 million yen annually, increased by about 2.28 billion yen last year.

    Whaling industry is dying in the water while Japanese taxpayers are being forced to foot the bill for this unprofitable business.

  • 3

    arrestpaul

    cleo - It is up online.

    The video titled "February 15, 2013 - Bob Barker Encounter with Yushin Maru 3" inbedded in your linked article proves that the eco-terrorist SS are repeatedly violating the 500 yard buffer zone.

  • -1

    snowcrashed

    andersenwhales:

    Last time I checked, the (rather huge) Australian Antarctic territorial claim was only recognized by the UK, France, NZ and Norway

    Norway has never recognized Australia's claim.

    Well, here's a report where at least the Aussies claim that Norway did:

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House_of_Representatives_Committees?url=ncet/communication/report/chapter6.pdf

    Couldn't quickly find anything from the Norwegian side though. ;)

  • 2

    Probie

    @smith

    Actually, it's YOU who are missing the point, and saying that you think Japanese whalers should just go around harpooning whales for the fun of it doesn't help the whole "it's for science" argument or your previous argument on another thread that they are not using loopholes (you contradict yourself at least twice on this thread alone, not to mention you contradicting the aforementioned stance on 'exploiting loopholes'. I know you said because you don't like the language it is therefore wrong, but the language and the fact that they are exploiting loopholes is correct).

    You don't get sarcasm, do you? So, no contradiction.

    And I didn't bring up anything about science, and especially now about loopholes, because on that previous articles comments section, I ended up banging my head against the wall rather than try to get people to see the truth that it isn't a loophole!. There is no point talking logic and facts with people who only want to talk about what they believe is wrong.

    I'm not going to be brought in on the stupid arguement about loopholes. Because it's NOT a loophole. THE END.

  • 2

    arrestpaul

    letsberealistic - Thank you for correcting me. Why the necessity for whaling in international waters, near NZ and Australia? Why not hunt whales near Japan where it was once a tradition?

    International waters do not belong to any nation and can be used by any nation.

    The eco-terrorist SS have no legal authority to ram, sink, disable, detain, arrest, board, harrass, launch glass bottles of acid, drop bottles of acid from helicopters or shoot red phosphorus flares at anyone. The eco-terrorist SS can't even manage to stay 500 yards from other vessels. The incompetence and violence of the eco-terrorist SS has been well documented.

  • -1

    letsberealistic

    @arrestpaul

    The incompetence and violence of the eco-terrorist SS has been well documented.

    Agree with the incompetence of SS at times, they are mostly amateurs after all. But who the most violent - there is not question; the Japanese.

    SS have thrown small bottles (aimed at the ship, not at people as the Japanese tend to do) and have also been guilty of deliberatively sailing close to Japanese ships. The Japanese whalers have been far more aggressive towards SS than SS have been to the whalers. They rammed and sunk a ship nearly killing 3 SS members, used high-tech acoustic weapons fired at helicopters in flight, military grade concussion grenades, high-powered water cannons, hooks and metal poles and heavy ship bolts have also been thrown at SS members.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/4431565/Japanese-whalers-accused-of-military-grade-weapons-againt-protesters.html

  • 2

    Tamarama

    I, for one, like what the SS are trying to do. But they are tripping if they think the government will help them in territory they know isn't Australian.

    By the way - Eco-terrorist is a silly misnomer. They aren't terrorists. Obviously.

  • -2

    basroil

    What's with all the talk of australia and weapons? Why discuss whale pain? I guess omnipotent experts know more than the rest of the world on how these things are so tightly connected.

  • 2

    Heda_Madness

    according to Paul Watson, founder of Sea Shepherd and captain of the ship. One campaigner was injured after being struck by a water cannon, the other hit in the face by a metal ball

    According to Paul Watson... According to Paul Watson the AG was not moving at the time of the collision, that the SM ran away without offering support and that the AG was sunk by the SM.

    That's three lies from Paul Watson... nobody intelligent believes anything Paul Watson says.

  • 4

    C Harald Hansen

    :Eco-terrorist is a silly misnomer. They aren't terrorists. Obviously.:

    Maybe not, but they're vigilantes and vigilante activity is still illegal. It's like if I took to the streets and started beating up on someone just because I didn't think the police were doing enough.

  • -3

    Thunderbird2

    @Kimokekahuna Hawaii

    That was probably the most emotive argument I have seen on here in a long time, and I agree wholeheartedly with it.

  • 0

    bluesea67

    Can anyone tell me where i can obtain the finding of Japan's "vital scientific research"

    When it comes to the worlds natural resources Japan cannot see past today.

  • 0

    4649Julian

    It seems Australian media report what they hear from Sea Shepard without confirming the fact most of the time. They should be neutral. This area is International Sea and this is a legal recherche whaling not commercial whaling. Sure, Japan would show the respect for the life so Japan would not waste anything, the meat would be distributed but not for real commercial reason.Japan keep losing money for this. If this were for the profit, Japan could import from Korea that they somehow get more whales. They got 9 times more than Japan last year? I heard they ''accidentally'' got 2,650 whales. Any way Australian media should have more neutral and broader coverage if they are interested in this whaling issues.

  • -4

    Outta here

    4649Julian,

    You say "this is legal research whaling not commercial whaling" what a joke. Everyone and l mean everyone knows exactly what this is. Painting the word research on the side of your boat doesn't make it research. Even your great ally the US calls it for what it is "commercial whaling in disguise".

    As for the Australian media being neutral why should they be. It's an emotive issue in Australia and is reported as such and with an election this year it has already become an election issue wit the opposition promising to send a customs vessel next year if elected.

    Maybe if the Japanese media had a more fair and unbiased reporting of the issue especially the general attitude that Australians feel towards the Japanese over this issue then that would be a good start

  • 5

    4649Julian

    @Andre Hut,

    The Japanese are the eco-terrorists. They are the ones bringing killing machines into the soverign territory of Australia.

    If it is true, why the coast guard of Australia does not get involved?

  • 4

    4649Julian

    @KiwiJP

    The Japanese government has been accused of using tsunami relief funding to support its struggling whaling industry.

    This is not true at all. Many people have been saying this but what ever money which was donated to Red cross or what ever any institution was from the world for the Tsunami relief, the government has no way to snatch them out. Each organization is independent and separated from the government. Where did you get this information? If it comes from any major media, this is related to my first posting above.

    But, Yes, you are right, the tax money has been used.

  • 5

    USNinJapan2

    Outta here

    it has already become an election issue wit the opposition promising to send a customs vessel next year if elected.

    Won't ever happen because the Australian government, unlike some stubborn posters here, knows full well that the EEZ is the same as international waters in this case and that they have no jurisdictional authority to do anything of the kind.

  • -6

    Outta here

    USNinJapan2,

    Ah so you up to date on the issue of Australian politics and this election campaign. If so then you would know the answer to this, which government in the past has sent customs vessels to monitor the whalers, which government in the past has used the military (navy, SAS and other units) to stop illegal fishing around our souther ocean claims? Which government had a customs vessel chase and board a Uruguayan fishing vessel after a 7000 km chase?

  • 5

    USNinJapan2

    Outta here

    No I know next to nothing of Australian politics and don't really care to. But I do know that your government isn't as stupid as you seem to think they are and know the limitations of their own laws. Sure, they can send a customs vessels to 'monitor' the whaling fleet. In fact I believe they've done it in the past, but again, without any jurisdiction in the EEZ they won't dare board or detain a vessel that isn't actually taking any economic resources out of the AUS EEZ. The only purpose it serves is to make the Australian citizens feel as if their government is doing something, anything when in fact it's just a show. Seems to work for you.

  • -7

    Outta here

    USNinJapan2,

    Lol you are right you know nothing about Australian politics..

    You say they won't do anything because it is outside our laws. Guess you forget the Australian high court has already ruled on Japanese whaling in Australia's Antarctic EEZ and declared it illegal. So there is the legal angle crossed off. As for our international obligations well..... The same party saying they will send a vessel is the same party that has said to h..l with the rules and will be boarding asylum seeker vessels in international waters and turning them back despite UN conventions to the contrary. Maybe public opinion is something that has been overlooked in all this....

  • 8

    cabadaje

    Outta here

    Lol you are right you know nothing about Australian politics..

    That's actually not exclusive to Australian politics.

    You say they won't do anything because it is outside our laws. Guess you forget the Australian high court has already ruled on Japanese whaling in Australia's Antarctic EEZ and declared it illegal.

    And yet, the perfectly capable Royal Australian navy has not been sent out to intercept these illegal poachers...

    So there is the legal angle crossed off.

    On whose checklist?

    As for our international obligations well..... The same party saying they will send a vessel is the same party that has said to h..l with the rules and will be boarding asylum seeker vessels in international waters and turning them back despite UN conventions to the contrary. Maybe public opinion is something that has been overlooked in all this....

    Maybe public opinion is something that should be overlooked. Since when is public opinion relevant to international law?

  • -8

    Outta here

    Cabadaje,

    And yet, the perfectly capable Royal Australian navy has not been sent out to intercept these illegal poachers...

    Gee if then RAN had ice capable ships..... That would be the customs service withh that type of vessel.....

    Maybe public opinion is something that should be overlooked. Since when is public opinion relevant to international law?

    Yeah and that's something Japan could learn. It would be a lesson well learned that saving face isn't as important as doing the right thing.....

  • -5

    letsberealistic

    4649JulianFEB. 19, 2013 - 08:16PM JST @KiwiJP

    The Japanese government has been accused of using tsunami relief funding to support its struggling whaling industry.

    This is not true at all. Many people have been saying this but what ever money which was donated to Red cross or what ever any institution was from the world for the Tsunami relief, the government has no way to snatch them out. Each organization is independent and separated from the government. Where did you get this information? If it comes from any major media, this is related to my first posting above.

    just to set the record straight:

    I work for the Japanese government where I teach Agricultural and Fisheries and MOD policy makers (among others) and heard from them that government funds from the Tohoku disaster fund were dispersed to boost security on the Japanese whaling fleet. Besides, this is a well know fact and was covered by the Japanese and world-wide media, not to mention the fact the government has publicly acknowledged the fact.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/07/japan-whaling-fleet-tsunami-earthquake-funds

    http://www.economywatch.com/in-the-news/japan-admits-using-29-million-from-disaster-hunt-for-whaling-hunt.09-12.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/07/world/asia/japan-spends-heavily-to-keep-whaling-industry-afloat-report-says.html?_r=0

  • -1

    4649Julian

    Typo!!!

    4649JulianFEB. 19, 2013 - 07:48PM JST It seems Australian media report what they hear from Sea Shepard without confirming the fact most of the time. They should be neutral. This area is International Sea and this is a legal recherche whaling not commercial whaling.

    What I meant was ''Legal scientific research''

  • 5

    OssanAmerica

    letsberealisticFeb. 19, 2013 - 12:37PM JST Whaling is not a tradition in Japan, only in Wakayama. The whaling fleet is NOT from Wakayama

    No that's not true. Siebold obserbved ad wrote of a whale being dressed in Nagasaki. There are small stone monuments called "kujirazuka" located all over Japan, representing thanks to the harvested whales for the food it supplied.

  • 4

    OssanAmerica

    YuriOtaniFeb. 19, 2013 - 01:40PM JST Hopefully the Australian government will board the Japanese Ships and find illegal whale meat. Then bring them into >Australian port as criminals. Before you get too huffy the Americans board ships in their EEZ and take illegal drugs. I >do not see the difference, so the Aussies need to grow a spine.

    Ain't going to happen as long as the whalers do not takes whales within the Australian EEZ. And there's no need to do that.

    A lot of this is new territory when it comes to law. Let the Japanese whalers set legal precedence. Take the ships give >the ships officers jail time and deport the crews. Do what the USA does in its EEZ with drug runners but in this case it >is whale meat which is illegal in the USA as well.

    No this isn't new at all. You're just in denial that the whalers aren;'t doing anything "illegal".

  • 4

    OssanAmerica

    letsberealisticFeb. 19, 2013 - 02:23PM JST Since NZ and Australia have a whale-watching industry around their territorial waters, isn't it insensitive and arrogant >of Japanese whalers to hunt and kill those same whales near Australian and NZ waters? Nobody brings this up, but it >just seems...well, shitsurei.

    Show me one Australian or New Zealand whale watching operation that involves Antarctic Minkes.

  • -5

    letsberealistic

    OssanAmerica

    Show me one Australian or New Zealand whale watching operation that involves Antarctic Minkes.

    Use Google much?

    NZ whale watching of Antarctic Minke whales (among others) http://www.planetwhale.com/boat-691DolphinSeafarisNZLimitedWhaleDolphin_Watching

    Australian Antarctic Minke whale watching http://cairnsdiveadventures.com/cairns-liveaboard-diving/minke-whale-trips/

    You were saying...?

  • 6

    cabadaje

    @Outta here

    Gee if then RAN had ice capable ships..... That would be the customs service withh that type of vessel.....

    Gee, too bad the RAN can't use the Australian Antarctic Division ice ships it uses every year to train its troops.

    But hey, maybe Australia has a posse comitatus thing too. So...what's keeping the Australian Customs Agency from cracking down?

    Oh, that's right...Australia has France doing their patrols in the Southern Ocean...geez, Australia sure is going out of their way to find reasons to not actually go out there and actively intercept a foreign government illegally poaching off their shores.

    Almost makes one think they are intentionally looking the other way.

    Yeah and that's something Japan could learn.

    Wait...are you under the impression that public opinion is relevant to international law?

    It would be a lesson well learned that saving face isn't as important as doing the right thing.....

    The thing about ethnocentricity is...you usually can't tell when you're doing it. For instance, when you just make a blanket assumption that your morals are the absolute measure, and anyone who does not conform is therefore wrong.

    I don't suppose it has occurred to you that there are a great many people in the world who do consider saving face to be the right thing to do? Or, perhaps, that saving face is merely one of the reasons to continue fighting?

    Come to think of it...Would you be willing to just turn around and walk away if you got screwed like Japan did? Just because someone told you that Japan had every right to screw you, and that walking away was much more important than any complaints you had against being screwed?

  • 4

    cabadaje

    Last week, the ICJ approved New Zealand's Declaration of Intervention that it filed on Australia's proceedings against Japan for alleged breach of international obligations regarding whaling.

    Good stuff. That case has been hanging for a couple of years now.

  • -1

    AkashiAussie

    http://s12.postimage.org/l6mu8iz5p/image.jpg

    Just FYI, this is a summary of the Antarctic Treaty on display at the Tasmanian Museum.

  • -3

    letsberealistic

    I think this discussion has gone way of the rails into sillydom when posters make false comments e.g. OssanAmerica about there being no Antarctic Minke whale-watching in Australia and NZ and getting 4 "Goods", while another poster (myself) posts links with clear evidence to the contrary and getting 4 "bads".

    Oh hum...

    Lets just hope whaling ends soon and Japanese tax payers money is used more productively, whalers go back to fishing in their local villages and people can stop risking there lives to either kill, or save, Antarctic whales.

  • 4

    andersenwhales

    Lets hope Australia starts to do their jobs at IWC. To work in the interest of the whang industry. This is the agreement which they signed on. If they can't respect their own agreement which they have signed on they have nothing to do at IWC. Honest people and honest countries respect agreements. Pacta Sunt Servanda.

  • 3

    Fadamor

    @ YuriOtani,

    The USA has no jurisdiction in this affair. Non US Citizens, Non US waters and Non US Company. As for Paul Watson the US has no right to order Americans around like slaves.

    Incorrect. The SSCS is based in Friday Harbor on San Juan Island, in the state of Washington, U.S.A. The operation of the SSCS is subject to American courts no matter WHAT nationality its members might be or WHERE the action drawing the attention of the courts might have occurred.

    And YOU need to do some studying on what it is actually like to be ordered around like a slave. You obviously haven't the faintest clue if you're equating court orders to slavery.

  • 2

    nigelboy

    Tell us about the honest Japanese who have been busted bribing countries for votes to join and vote their way in the IWC....

    I believe the vote buying was started by anti-whaling nation a long time ago, hence the ridiculous moratorium in 1986 in the absence of scientific committee.

    the cease and desist letters that the IWC has repeatedly sent to Japan...

    Again, a non-binding resolution by anti-whaling nations not based on recommendation of the Scientific Committee.

    ... the use of Earthquake donations to prop up their failing enterprise....

    None of the "donated" money was used for that purpose.

    the detention and prosecution of Greenpeace members who caught them illegally using whalemeat in direct contravention of the agreements you mention

    I don't think the use of whale meat (catch) was illegal. What was illegal however, is the "theft" by the Greenpeace Members.

    Or what about the illegal use of heavy fuels in Antarctica and the spill that apparently is occurring there right now...

    The vessels run on Type A fuel which is equivalent to "MDO" as opposed to the previous heavy fuel (type C) which is equivalent to "MFO"

  • -6

    YuriOtani

    Whale meat is ILLEGAL in both Australia and the United States. If a whaling ship would go into the 12 mile limit there would be of no doubt they were breaking the law. These ships are breaking international law as the vast majority of the whales are being sold as food. The only "research" is the contents of their stomachs and blood. I bet they do not check every whale which would mean Australia could board them to check their paperwork.

    I do find it strange that the "anti-Japan" posters support Japan in hunting whales. Commercial whale hunting is an embarrassment to Japan. If they held a "traditional" hunt using boats and tools of the 16th century, I would not object.

  • -4

    sfjp330

    Fadamor Feb. 20, 2013 - 12:58AM JST Incorrect. The SSCS is based in Friday Harbor on San Juan Island, in the state of Washington, U.S.A. The operation of the SSCS is subject to American courts no matter WHAT nationality its members might be or WHERE the action drawing the attention of the courts might have occurred.

    U.S. court is issuing an injunction against Dutch and Australian vessels carrying an international crew, operating out of Australia and New Zealand in international waters and the waters of the Australian Antarctic Economic Zone. In addition, the U.S. court has ignored the fact that the Japanese whalers are in contempt of a court order by the Australian Federal Court and the whaling takes place in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

  • 3

    arrestpaul

    Tamarama - I, for one, like what the SS are trying to do. But they are tripping if they think the government will help them in territory they know isn't Australian.

    By the way - Eco-terrorist is a silly misnomer. They aren't terrorists. Obviously.

    Anyone who supports the repeated acts of violence commited by the eco-terrorist SS and their figurehead Watson, are themsevles pro-violence. Is violence the answer?

    The U.S. FBI disagrees with your "silly misnomer" statement. The FBI considers the eco-terrorist SS to be just another eco-terrorist organization.

  • 1

    arrestpaul

    letsberealistic - Agree with the incompetence of SS at times, they are mostly amateurs after all. But who the most violent - there is not question; the Japanese.

    SS have thrown small bottles (aimed at the ship, not at people as the Japanese tend to do) and have also been guilty of deliberatively sailing close to Japanese ships. The Japanese whalers have been far more aggressive towards SS than SS have been to the whalers.

    The incompetence and violence of the eco-terrorist SS has been well documented.

    You only have to look at the side of the eco-terrorist SS ships to see that the eco-terrorist SS brag about SINKING ten (10) vessels. The eco-terrorist SS brag that they have repeatedly rammed vessels of many nations. The eco-terrorist SS video themselves repeatedly launching glass bottles of buteric acid, by hand and by pneumatic launcher, at the whalers. "Buteric acid" NOT rancid butter. The eco-terrorist SS have filmed themselves repeatedly shooting red phosphous flares at the whalers. The eco-terrorist SS repeatedly and deliberately try to disable the whalers by dragging ropes and wires in front of the whalers in an attempt to entangle the whalers propellers. The eco-terrorist SS has dropped buteric acid from their helicopter.

    The whalers are allowed to DEFEND themselves from repeated eco-terrorist SS violence. If the eco-terrorist SS members don't want to be poked with 10 foot anti-boarding poles held by the whalers, then the eco-terrorist SS should have stayed more than 10 feet away from the whaling vessels.

    Now the eco-terrorist SS has been ordered to stay 500 yards from other vessels. That should cut down on the number of eco-terrorist SS members who will be struck by 10 foot poles. Or not. The eco-terrorist SS seem to be too stupid to understand the court order.

  • -6

    Logan Jones

    The funniest bit about the video recently posted by sea shepherd:

    http://www.seashepherd.org.au/news-and-media/2013/02/16/sea-shepherd-australia-shuts-down-illegal-japanese-whale-poaching-operations-1496

    is the label "RESEARCH" on the hulls of both whaling vessels. This is obviously not for research purposes.

    Typical of such a story, neither side is telling the truth. On this website, obviously, there is strong japanese support from nationals and the pathetic wannabe otakus.

    What needs to be reinforced is that Antarctica must stay pristine for as long as possible. Spilling diesel or fuel oil in those waters would have catastrophic effects, as unlike in the tropical gulf of mexico, the time it would take for such oils to biodegrade would be decades or even centuries.

    With boats ramming each other in these encounters, it is inevitable that a ship will sink and release a large quantity of fuel. I really hope someone tells both of these parties to piss off before this happens.

  • -3

    funkymofo

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/japanese-whalers-ram-sea-shepherd-ships-steve-irwin-and-bob-barker/story-e6frg6n6-1226582024810 Well, seems the US injunction has emboldened the poachers to the point they believe they are not subject to any international laws at all. I guess their lack of respect doesn't end with marine mammals, but also includes the pristine environment they're in. Who are the 'Eco-terrorists' again?

  • -5

    tmarie

    Show me one Australian or New Zealand whale watching operation that involves Antarctic Minkes.

    Can you show me one Japanese cultural thing that involved Antarctic Minkes? I don't think Japanese were historically down there whaling. Can you prove otherwise?

  • 1

    Wolfpack

    Somehow it is quite easy for me to dismiss the claims of these crazy eco-nuts.

  • 0

    OssanAmerica

    tmarieFeb. 20, 2013 - 05:53PM JST Can you show me one Japanese cultural thing that involved Antarctic Minkes? I don't think Japanese were historically >down there whaling. Can you prove otherwise?

    "Factory ships were not used by Japan until the 1930s. As whale catches diminished in coastal waters, Japan looked to Antarctica. Toyo Hogei K.K. purchased the Norwegian factory ship, Antarctic, renaming it the Tonan Maru in 1934. Refrigerator ships were sent along to freeze and transport the meat back to Japan. By capitalizing on both the meat and oil of whales Japanese industry continued to out-compete other whaling nations. Improvements in technology such as the world's first diesel-powered whale catcher, the Seki Maru, also increased the capacity to take whales. In the years building up to World War II, the Germans purchased whale oil from Japan and both nations used it in preparation for war"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhalinginJapan

  • -1

    cleo

    Factory ships were not used by Japan until the 1930s

    And commercial whaling stopped in the 1980s. Hardly a deeply-entrenched cultural tradition. Thank you Ossan.

  • 1

    wtfjapan

    Japan has just suspended it whale hunt for this season V for Victory for SS, special snowflake thats turned into a avalanche. LOL

  • -1

    John Taylor

    Those who side with Japan's whalers on this matter, who refuse to acknowledge that Japan is not doing "research", that they are hunting even though the whale flesh they already have sits unwanted in freezers, they are a black eye to their country. The rest of the world has grown enough to know that whales and dolphins should be left to live their long lives in peace. This is not tradition. It's stubborn profiteering, and the Japanese people are the ones paying for all the stipends the government gives those few whalers. When will you be honest and stand up against those few in Japan who are bringing shame upon your people?

  • 0

    Nessie

    All other whaling took place in small fishing villages using nets

    Just plain false. Ainu hunted whales with harpoons.

  • -2

    cabadaje

    @wtfjapan

    Japan has just suspended it whale hunt for this season

    Unless you have a source on that, no, they haven't. They have temporarily suspended it because their ships are low on fuel and can chase after whales.

    V for Victory for SS, special snowflake thats turned into a avalanche. LOL

    Hardly. Go to the Sea Shepherd website. Take note of their claims of success. Then notice their charts on how whaling kills have been increasing over the years. Note how every year they claim they managed to chase away the Japanese from the sea, and yet the Japanese always seem to have so much whale meat.

    Take a look at their most current video. Look at how they are interrupting a fueling operation. Do you understand the significance of that? They intentionally got in the way of an operation where hundreds of gallons of fuel-oil where being transferred from ship to ship, and if they didn't go into a ship, they would be spilling into the ecosystem. Is that a victory? Threatening a massive fuel-oil spill if you don't get your way?

    No, it is indeed an avalanche. Out of control, utterly recklessly, destructive, and completely uncaring what it destroys in its rampage.

  • -1

    cabadaje

    Typo above: "...can't chase after whales"

  • 0

    marcelito

    Here we go again. The online propaganda mouthpiece of the whaling industry trying to make everyone nauseous by setting a record for repeating theword "eco-terrorist" in a single post. Repeating something a thousand times does not make it true...reminds me of the infamous " there is definately NO meltdown ".

  • -1

    nandakandamanda

    I don't know. This article on JT gives one side of the story, ie accusations by SS.

    The Japanese media on the other hand have been giving a different story, showing video of SS ramming the J ships and resultant J ship damage.

    So which is it really?

  • -5

    Houseinsect

    I do believe people who want to stop the Japanese, Danes, Norwegians, Icelandics, Native Canadians and Americans show a very little respect towards other cultures. Their prejudice is unbelievable.

  • -3

    Houseinsect

    >

    And commercial whaling stopped in the 1980s. Hardly a deeply-entrenched cultural tradition. Thank you Ossan.

    Both Norway and Iceland hunt commercial so you are wrong. Japan has been hunting whales for 2000 years or longer. So it is traditional. You should know that cultures evolve and modernize. Japanese can very well define their own culture without the help of prejudiced outsiders. Thank you.

  • 0

    cleo

    Both Norway and Iceland hunt commercial so you are wrong.

    Oh dear. How on earth does anything that Norway and Iceland do have anything to do with whether whaling is a cultural tradition in Japan?

    Sometimes I think we're up against 'bots - they pick up a keyword in a post and run with it, totally ignoring the context.

  • -4

    Houseinsect

    Cleo.

    You said commercial whaling stopped in the 80s and I xame with examples of countries doing a commercial hunt.

  • -4

    Houseinsect

    It might be difficult for prejudiced people to come to terms with the fact that some people look at whales as food. But they need to come to terms with this if they ever wish to be close minded.

  • -2

    Houseinsect

    Meant. Open minded

  • -2

    cleo

    You said commercial whaling stopped in the 80s

    In Japan, Grasshopper.

  • -2

    OssanAmerica

    cleoFeb. 21, 2013 - 09:40AM JST "Factory ships were not used by Japan until the 1930s" And commercial whaling stopped in the 1980s. Hardly a deeply-entrenched cultural tradition. Thank you Ossan.

    Not sure what you're thanking me for cleo. The poster wanted to know if Japan had a tradition of hunting whales in the Antarctic. My answer was yes they have been doing so for about 83 years. To give that some perspective, Australia's last whale processing plant closed only 35 years ago. Yes, commercial whaling, by those IWC members who did not object, did stop in 1986. Actually, it is a moratorium subject to review which has never happened. Japan has not been a commercial whaling country since, although the USSR continued, as did Norway and Iceland citing objections.

  • -2

    AriesKJJ

    To the Japanese public, the shills and trolls for the whaling industry turn whaling into a cultural or race issue because there is no logical defense to what they do.

    Whale research has come a long way in the last 20 years but especially the last 5. ✩ Whales are not fish. Whales and Dolphins are cetaceans, mammals and the only other creature other than man that has 'spindle' cells which are thought to provide self awareness. Cetaceans have strong family ties and bonds that are life long. Cetaceans have complicated language including General and Local dialects which include individual names. ( After a whale/dolphin is killed it's family will go on calling out it's name and grieve the loss.

    Cetaceans are the top of the most important food chain on the planet: Cetaceans fate is the seas fate ... and so ours.

    Foolish pride and bureaucratic deception keeps your government Whaling and it is driving Japan further into isolation.

    Links , Info at request: twitter @46nd2

  • 2

    budgie

    @ Caba,

    I agree sometimes Sea Shepherd's tactics are reckless, but that does not excuse the stubborn and pigheaded way Japan goes about whaling. Nor the gfact their whalers are just as aggressive against SS.

    The rest of the world - including Japan - has signed a moratorium on whaling and they're doing it anyway. They can't sell all the meat, it is subsidized at the taxpayers' expense, sometimes from misappropriated funds, and support by right wing nationalist groups. Japan is blowing a big raspberry at the world.

    If some here call Sea Shepherd eco-terrorists I don't know why it isn't okay to point out the neo-nationalist aims of the whaling fleet. They just want to show everyone how tough Japan is. The whaling fleet is ghost of the imperial navy, nothing more.

  • -2

    AriesKJJ

  • -2

    Heda_Madness

    Care to explain why the video starts at the collision but not before, It seems the SS are trying to suggest that the two SS boats were together until the Japanese rammed them but I wonder why there's no video of the Japanese boat approaching. It's not likely they didn't see them before it was too late.

    It's more likely that the SS are trying to edit the video to create something, to create news which isn't what happened. Much like they did with the AG incident.

  • -1

    AriesKJJ

    @>Heda_Madness

    You thinking the SSCS rammed the Nishin Maru by somehow going backwards? It's more likely the whale killers and their supporters are too blind to see reality. Much like with the AG crime.

  • -1

    Capt Haddock

    One people's patriots are another's terrorists. Besides any moral argument, it is evident that the whaling ban likely prevented the extinction of a number of species of whales. If the ban is in fact supported by the international community then people should at least be able to protest whalers operating in international waters despite this "loophole". Even Japan hunting (or poaching depending on how you look at it) in its own national waters would be stopped if the ban could be completely enforced. I wonder how people that are pro whaling feel about the international community enforcing the ban on ivory, elephant feet, or sales of gorilla hands on certain african countries?

  • -2

    arrestpaul

    AriesKJJ - Guilty!

    The video you linked clearly shows that the eco-terrorist SS are violating the court ordered 500 yard buffer zone.

    During the refueling effort, the Nisshin Maru and Sun Laurel would have been traveling slowly and side by side.

    The eco-terrorist SS scow BB would have had to deliberately position itself in the path of the NM in order to create this collision. Just like the eco-terrorist toy boat Ady Gil accelerating into the path of the much larger vessel, this is just one more staged for TV and propaganda effect scam of Watson's.

    I'm sure the court will wonder why the eco-terrorist SS video starts with the collision instead of showing the eco-terrorist SS BB blocking the path of the refueling effort?

  • -1

    arrestpaul

    AriesKJJ - To the Japanese public, the shills and trolls for the whaling industry turn whaling into a cultural or race issue because there is no logical defense to what they do.

    The eco-terrorist SS has a long and well documented history of violence. There are other, NON-VIOLENT, organizations that protest whaling. Even Greenpeace refuses to have ANYTHING to do with the eco-terrorist SS and their leader Watson.

    The people who support the eco-terrorist SS are supporting violence. Violence is the answer. Violence is what makes people do your bidding. Violence is their answer to every confrontation. Supporting the violence of the eco-terrorist SS is supporting violence.

  • 3

    OssanAmerica

    Capt HaddockFeb. 24, 2013 - 10:39AM JST One people's patriots are another's terrorists. Besides any moral argument, it is evident that the whaling ban likely >prevented the extinction of a number of species of whales.

    First off there is MORATORIUM on commercial whaling, not a BAN. A moratorium is a pause, and when it was implemented in 1986 it was with the understanding that scientific data would be reviewed and would be lifted if the data supported it,. To this date the moratorium has NOT been reviewed as originally agreed and the anti-whaling faction has continued attacks on any efforts to obtain any data. Secondly, you are correct that the moratorium probably saved the endangered whales such as the Blue whale, Right while, Grey whale etc. Those species were put in that position by the rampant uncontrolled whaling by the western countries in the 18th and 19th centuries. Note that the Japanese research whaling focuses on the Minke whale, a non-endangered species.

    If the ban is in fact supported by the international community then people should at least be able to protest whalers >operating in international waters despite this "loophole". Even Japan hunting (or poaching depending on how you look >at it) in its own national waters would be stopped if the ban could be completely enforced.

    The moratorium is on commercial whaling. Even an anti-whaling nation like the United States is a "whaling nation" since it allows limited whaling for aboriginal peoples. The Moratorium isn't supported by the "international community" it is supported by the anti-whaling members of the IWC, an organization that exists to regulate the whaling industry. I presume you can spot the hypocrisy in that fact. Japanese Research Whaling is not "poaching" because it is not being conducted in other nations' territorial waters (regardless of what they may think) and it is done in accordance with IWC Article VIII which allows them to do so.

    I wonder how people that >are pro whaling feel about the international community enforcing the ban on ivory, elephant >feet, or sales of gorilla >hands on certain african countries?

    Those bans are in place because of the endangered status of those animals. Pro-whalers support a ban on talking endangered whale species. What good would decimating a population do for the Whaling industry? You are attempting to compare apples and truck tires.

  • 0

    eyeonwarson

    @ AriesKJJ

    Guilty!

    Quite true, SSCS are guilty of contempt of the 9th circuit court ruling to keep a minimum of 500 yards between themselves and any japanese whaling ship.

    As all three ships were less than 500 yards from the Japanese ships, expect SSCS USA to have their Charitable status in the USA quite possibly revoked, their property in friday harbour impounded and Paul Watson an any other US citizen onboard to be arrested anytime they set foot on US soil for violating the injunction. The injunction makes it perfectly clear that SSCS Ships must remain 500 yards from the japanese ships - this means that, no matter which direction the Japanese ships take, the SSCS ships must avoid them by at least 500 yards. Plenty of video evidence showing SSCS violating the injunction as well as Watson.

    Hope SSCS has deep pockets as this is going to get damn expensive real quick :-)

    Oops ..

  • 2

    Chamkun

    Reeeeeeeeeeeally ? In that case, keeping 500 yards distance is recommended. The scientific research ship is at the international waters and a legal limit numbers by IWC has been strictly kept by Japan.

  • 1

    Chamkun

    AriesKJJFEB. 23, 2013 - 02:47PM JST Guilty!

    Please refrain from putting a selective information footage. How it happened is important
    NOT what happened.

  • 0

    Chamkun

    Outta hereFEB. 19, 2013 - 07:59PM JST

    "this is legal research whaling not commercial whaling" what a joke. Everyone and l mean everyone knows exactly what this is.

    A large range of information is important for the management and conservation of whales, such as population, age structure, growth rates, age of maturity, reproductive rates, feeding, nutrition and levels of contaminants. This type of important information cannot be obtained through small DNA samples or analysis of organochlorine, but only through lethal research.

  • 1

    cleo

    There are other, NON-VIOLENT, organizations that protest whaling. Even Greenpeace

    All Greenpeace have achieved in recent years is getting two of their own convicted of theft. How many whales have they saved? Not one.

  • 1

    cleo

    a legal limit numbers by IWC has been strictly kept by Japan

    The IWC doesn't set quotas; the country issuing the 'research' permit decides for itself how many whales it's going to allow itself to kill. And the only reason the Japanese whalers have not taken more than their self-imposed quota - have taken only a fraction of their quota - is SS.

  • -1

    arrestpaul

    cleo - All Greenpeace have achieved in recent years is getting two of their own convicted of theft. How many whales have they saved? Not one.

    Is that why you are so adamant in your support of the repeated acts of violence committed by the eco-terrorist SS? Violence is their answer. is it also yours?

    The eco-terrorist SS scow Bob Barker has just tried to damage both the Sun Laurel and the Nisshin Maru. The eco-terrorist SS scow Bob Barker was also violating the 500 yds buffer zone when they began whining about "almost" being involved in this crash. The eco-terrorist SS don't believe that any nations laws apply to them. Their supporters don't believe any nations laws apply to the actions of the eco-terrorist either.

  • 0

    eyeonwarson

    @ Outta here

    You say they won't do anything because it is outside our laws. Guess you forget the Australian high court has already ruled on Japanese whaling in Australia's Antarctic EEZ and declared it illegal. So there is the legal angle crossed off.

    Ahem ..

    January 15, 2008 The Federal Court has ordered a Japanese whaling company to stop killing whales in Australian Antarctic waters. But the court acknowledged the whalers cannot be arrested unless they enter Australia.

    That`s point one

    Australia is a signatory to the Antarctic treaty - read article 4. Australia cannot and will press any territorial claim in Antarctica as llong as the ATS is in force

    The Federal Environment Minister Tony Burke: In the first instance when you say in Australian waters, the waters that we're talking about there are waters that we've claimed as part of our Antarctic claim. Now with the Antarctic Treaty System which is the treaty system that has prevented mining in the Antarctic, **all the parties have agreed to not enforce their territorial claims against foreign nationals. Now we are not going to undermine a treaty system that prevents mining in the Antarctic. We're just not going to do that. **

    Thats point two

    next?

  • -1

    Christopher Blackwell

    Just one question. I have been reading about the whaling industry and can't understand why the Japanese taxpayers are being forced to pay tens of millions of Yen, if you include what is coming out of the Earthquake disaster fund, on a dying industry that still has six thousand tons of unsold whale meat from last year in a country where 87% of the Japanese don't eat whale meat.

    If it requires that big of a subsidy to keep on gong, then it makes no sense from an economic, scientific, or social stand point. Is this another industry owned by the Yakusa?

  • -1

    arrestpaul

    Christopher Blackwell - Just one question. I have been reading about the whaling industry and can't understand why the Japanese taxpayers are being forced to pay tens of millions of Yen, if you include what is coming out of the Earthquake disaster fund, on a dying industry that still has six thousand tons of unsold whale meat from last year in a country where 87% of the Japanese don't eat whale meat.

    If it requires that big of a subsidy to keep on gong, then it makes no sense from an economic, scientific, or social stand point. Is this another industry owned by the Yakusa?

    It appears to me that you've been reading, and believing, whatever the eco-terrorist SS and Watson say about whaling. Watson and the eco-terrorist SS have a long history of lying about whaling and whalers. Watson and the eco-terrorist captains makes a very comfortable living from pro-violence donations. Maybe you could expand your sources of reading material for a better understanding of the issues?

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