Japan warns citizens in China after assaults

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  • 20

    fds

    to the chinese people: if you're so sure its yours, push your government to file a claim in ICJ. i am pretty sure japan would be more than happy to settle it there.

  • 5

    Probie

    When are these idiots going to grow up?

    They don't even know that their government lies to them about just about everything.

    Sad, pathetic morons.

  • -1

    Onniyama

    Dog. I believe Japan has offered to take the matter to arbitration. These Chinese have their heads in the sand. Who exactly do they think is bringing factories and jobs to their country?

  • -7

    tairitsuiken

    Excuse the insensitivity but... "Attacked when dining late at night"? We have no information on what was really going on there. For all we know it might be a bunch of old A-hole J-oyaji acting like far to many J-oyaji do when abroad.

    The Chinese are true clowns with their litte gatherings, singing national anthems and what not, but it is obviously sanctioned by the C-gov.

    In all cases, ridiculous to see these clowns (on both sides) acting this immature.

  • -5

    jagariko312

    Well, if you look at a map, you can see why Taiwan and China believe the islands are theirs. They are physically just a ways off the coast of Taiwan. The islands are clearly closer to Taiwan than they are to the Okinawan islands.

    If you assume everyone is confused regarding any agreements or historical ownership, the physical proximity makes a strong case in Chinese minds that they should belong to Taiwan/China.

    Even if there were an agreement, the Chinese would believe the Japanese stole them in the war anyways... which is an open sore.

  • 5

    smithinjapan

    Keep it in the political circles, peeps! And by that I mean among the politicians. Beating on innocents of another nationality based on those politics is just plain wrong. This kind of incident will ultimately result in ultra-right wingers here doing something similar (or trying to).

  • 2

    phosphor

    Wonder how long it will take until some chinese get his ass kicked in japan.

  • -1

    Ewan Huzarmy

    Wonder how long it will take until some chinese get his ass kicked in japan. ￿

    I don't doubt that it's already happened, the question is, would it be reported here ?

  • 1

    jagariko312

    @Onniyama - Dog has a point. Plus, the Japanese didn't "bring factories & jobs" to China out of goodwill anyways. They did it for their own self-interests - high skill level in manufacturing outside of Japan and lower cost of labor. Without China/SE Asia, many international companies would not still enjoy the profits they still do.

    Of course the Chinese, didn't "take 25% of Japan's exports" to help them out either. But what this whole thing says is business and politics are two different things.

    On a side, it's not even all about Chinese vs Japanese. Even within China, HK Chinese and Taiwanese can't stand the red card waving Mainland Chinese.

  • 13

    cleo

    Well, if you look at a map, you can see why Taiwan and China believe the islands are theirs. They are physically just a ways off the coast of Taiwan. The islands are clearly closer to Taiwan than they are to the Okinawan islands.

    Wrong. Senkaku to closest point of Taiwan, 168km; Senkaku to closest point of Japan (Yonaguni or the tip of Ishigaki), 150 km. Check it for yourself if you don't believe me.

    http://www.daftlogic.com/projects-google-maps-distance-calculator.htm

    Not that distance is the deciding factor. if it were, Hawaii would belong to Kiribati.

  • 7

    jagariko312

    Well you know... the "small fry" in China are venting their frustrations on the wrong group. Don't get pissed at Mr. Suzuki sitting at the table on the left. Take a glance at Mr.Wang on the right with 2 hot chicks, a rolex, and a delicious peking duck dinner course, while you're having the cheap wonton noodles and a glass of water.

    China is smart. Japan, by their own actions - buying the senkakus - have created a perfect scape goat. Now instead of that massive "Chinese Spring" wanting to kick the CHinese government's ass and all the rich class, who probably got their way to the top shadily, now they forget that they are being screwed by their own people and focus on Japan.

    Proven formula. Bush did it. Every political leader knows it. Bad economy? Blame the Arabs, the Chinese, the Koreans...

  • 0

    akkk1

    Crazy Chinese, Japanese and Koreans should be shipped to the islands for a face-off.

  • 3

    jagariko312

    @Cleo - whoa, thanks, I stand corrected. I thought Ishigaki was part of the Senkaku islands from a macro view on google map. I didn't zoom in to see that..

    Hmm, now that makes it very interesting doesn't it?! On tv they keep showing the islands by themselves... they never show it being just next to an equally large Japanese owned island!

  • -14

    breakingpoint

    Japan will be invaded by China soon.

  • 6

    yasukuni

    "do you really think that Ishigaki is Japan?"

    Yes. Look it up.

    If you think the people living on Ishigaki don't believe that, go ask them fs they are Taiwanese, Chinese or Japanese. If you get a majority saying Taiwanese or Chinese I'll give you a shamisen.

    • Moderator

      Back on topic please.

  • 5

    gogogo

    Why do Chinese people think this is a solution?

  • 4

    risugirl

    barbaric!!

  • 7

    NZ2011

    Not wanting to even get into this but knowing someone from ishigaki, I can assure you they consider themselves absolutely to be Japanese and part of Japan.

    • Moderator

      All readers back on topic please.

  • 1

    Farmboy

    Well, we certainly have our share of violent racist thugs in the US, but if they do something to hurt someone, they get charged with assault and thrown in jail. It sounds like, in this case, that racist misbehavior is being seen in a much more positive light.

  • 0

    jagariko312

    In real terms, what do those islands really mean for either country? Japan already has Ishigaki. Adding that extra little bit doesn't improve their economics much - as in sea bed drilling rights.

    For China, if they get it. What does that mean? Just a bunch of small rocks with Japanese and Chinese staring at each other and lobbing rotten tomatoes across the way with catapults everyday?

    Is this dispute worth real money? Or significance? If they were out in the middle of nowhere I'd understand it would mean a claim to a fresh area and expansion of the economic zone.. but... in this case..

  • 5

    yasukuni

    Sorry, I got mixed up with the six boats going to senkaku....

    Anyway, yeah it's barbaric that Chinese are beating up on Japanese. If there's one thing I hate it's when people pick on innocent people. The Japanese who were at the restaurant probably like China and Chinese anyway. But that will be harder after today.

  • -5

    Tiger_In_The_Hermitage

    Yes, lets beat up the Chinese online. Just like we are critical of their behaviour, we are doing the same. Its a few isolated incidents which I hope anyone who breaks the law is arrested and justice be delivered.

    The point is not Chinese government lie to its people... Which government doesnt lie?

  • 6

    serendipitous

    Pathetic behavior in China. Taking one's physical anger out on people who have nothing to do with things show how uneducated many people are. Let's hope 1.3 billion Chinese people don't follow suit. These few idiots are an embarrassment to the hunan race.

  • 2

    michikokada

    Leave politics to the politicians, leave military actions to the militaries. Both Japan & China are great countries and both citizens should be proud, but some people seem to forget the common basics which these two cultures built upon.

  • 3

    titaniumdioxide

    In one case, a group of several Japanese having a late dinner were attacked Other cases included Japanese nationals being kicked, hit by bottles or having a drink poured on them a Chinese man on a bike tried to force a taxi driver from taking a Japanese passenger a Chinese person throwing a bowl of hot noodles with soup at the face of a Japanese national.

    Wow! China what have you done to your people? Why are they acting like barbarians.

  • 3

    aisai

    You've got to learn to understand japanese logic, if you want to understand Japan. The Dokdos are occupied by Korea and the onlty way to wrest them back, without military force is ...........dedede.... the ICJ. Japanese logic goes something like this, 'what is yours is mine and what is mine is mine'. Once you understand that the whole Japanese reasoning for a multitude of issues (from racism to international trade) will become clear.

    Can't the same be said of South Korea? The Japanese are asking for their dispute with South Korea to be resolved by the ICJ. However, the South Koreans refuse to take the Dokdo dispute to the ICJ because they believe there is no territorial dispute, the island is theirs.

    South Korean logic also kind of sounds like "what is yours is mine and what is mine is mine" in a way, doesn't it? Maybe once you understand that then the whole South Korean reasoning for a multitude of issues (from racism to international trade) will also become clear.

  • 2

    SwissToni

    jagariko312, "Is this dispute worth real money? Or significance?"

    Of course it is. Putting the sovereignty issue aside, its potentially worth many billions of dollars in mineral and fishing rights. In a world where food and energy are getting harder to come by, people will fight for resources.

  • -4

    NZ2011

    I would be very careful suggesting that the Chinese are more barbaric than anyone else, I doubt it will be long before someone disgraces Japans name by senselessly attacking someone that has nothing to do with this in Japan.

  • -1

    Jason Ma

    I actually like a lot of things about Japan, unfortunately I do believe such current development regarding the Islands made a long-lasting damage to the friendship between Chinese and Japanese people. I think it's very unfortunate. I can understand why Chinese people believe that they have an legitimate claim of those Islands. I think the recent move by the PM of Japan has done nothing good for both countries. But of course I condemn hurting innocent people just because they are certain ethnicity, it's completely wrong and the offenders should be caught and punished according to the law.

  • -1

    Taki Yamauchi

    I thought they are slightly better than Korean. But, they are same after all. Pity is they don't even imagine how their government control them,

  • 7

    Noel Benito Sanidad

    When the Philippines and China were engaged on a stand-off in April China issued warnings to its citizens living in Manila and other major urban areas. To this day not a single Chinese was hurt or manhandled by unruly Filipinos irritated on recent Chinese incursions to Philippine territory and unjustified trade pressure. All Chinese in the Philippines are safe to conduct their trade and business regardless of what Beijing says on matters of safety.

  • 2

    sn00z3

    barbaric!!

    plus 1

  • 6

    southsakai

    This is pretty sick and real cowardly behavior by people assaulting Japanese folks in China ( just because they are Japanese ). This issue needs to be settled at Government level, not by people on the streets wild west style. This is really screwed up and I feel sorry for the Japanese folks living over their right now.

  • 2

    oldsanno

    Some Chinese attacked the Japanese ambassador.

    Chinese government response was not harsh to indicate that such actions are not allowed.

    Chinese government let them go free.

    So, if it's ok to attack the Japanese ambassador, it's no surprise that there will be more attacks on Japanese in China.

  • 3

    NZ2011

    Violence for any reason other to defend people in immediate danger to their lives is wrong full stop.

  • -4

    Disillusioned

    It's looking quite bad on TV. Seriously this could get out of hand really really quickly.

    It already has! There will be war ships from both sides at these islands within a week. Both Japan and China have been waiting for an excuse to have a go at each other for over fifty years and now they have one. China wants revenge and Japan still wants to play Asian bully. I don't support either side's stance. To me, the islands belong to Taiwan.

  • 4

    alliswellinjapan

    Hopefully J-people will remain patient and tolerant over this, while C-government will ensure the situation is contained in time before leading to serious injuries/casualties. We've been through this process before and can only hope things will be the same again this time round.

  • 5

    thywillbedone

    Pity. I used to believe China had a refined culture, and that Chinese were gentle people - alas, it appears I was wrong.

  • -12

    hawaiianboy

    The japanese asked for it. I dont know why they are so confident. The chinese.have been getting stronger every year. The US will not get involved over this. I live in hawaii where a riot broke out with chinese and japanese tourists. The chinese attacked a group of young men, and even threw a chair in one person face. The japanese r not safe anywhere anymore.

  • -1

    BurakuminDes

    If any Japanese people do end up getting seriously injured (I seriously doubt they will), they can thank that disabled old geriatric Ishihara for kicking the whole thing off. He will have their blood on his hands.

  • -5

    YankeeX

    I might not get a bowl of Ramen thrown in my face but Japanese are pretty passively aggressive towards foreigners. This is of course, not all Japanese like not all Chinese.

  • 0

    StJapan

    looks like China ran out of fish.. Stay safe Japanese peeps.

  • -12

    HansNFranz

    It's so ironic of the Japanese posters here to claim that the Chinese supposedly don't understand how their government controls them. Glasshouse and stones come to mind. In my opinion, the Chinese are much more adult and critical of their government than the Japanese ever were.

  • 1

    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    Bring manufacturing back to Japan due to the instability. Why should so much manufacturing be centred in China? As it is, I try to buy domestic products whenever possible. But it's not easy.

  • 0

    Nhan Thai

    china has been recently showing off its strength so much , but in fact no one really know how strong this idiot is ? therefore i suggest china to prove its so called super power is true , then japan might step aside from the disputes . if not people keep thinking that china is only BIG MOUTH AND CHIKEN

  • -2

    Saul Schimek

    the ICJ has all the enforcement ability of a bucket of water. If china wants to push the Claim, it will regardless of international condemnation.

    it's not like it really cares what the international community thinks. Which, while perhaps alarming to those prone to alarm, illustrates the point that Internationalists really don't want pointed out. That when push comes to shove, nationals will work in thier own interests.

    that's the bottom line

  • -1

    Nhan Thai

    this is a very good chance for china to test and show off its smart weapon , so dont be shy , please , IDIOT ! i do not believe that china is kind of shy people , because if it is its government should not keep stealing hi tech from others , and its people keep stealing fish from its all neighbors at all times . if china win the war then it get its face back , and if it lose then it is ashamed not to late , idiot china !

  • 1

    kazetsukai

    It is right that Japan protects its citizens abroad.

    Japanese traveling abroad MUST be better informed of not just China but all other countries. The Japanese people must also learn NOT to trust others "blindly" just because they smile and act nice.

  • 5

    Minoru Kai

    You know, Chinese tourists are still travelling in Japan "safely" even at this time. Assault shouldn't be the way to express your feeling. I hope safety of Japanese in China. What's more, of course, I hope Japan and China have a good relationship in the future.

  • 0

    Virtuoso

    As a great Chinese philosopher astutely observed, 小人閑居為不善 (the inferior man with time on his hands engages in malicious mischief). Alas, Chinese only heed the words of their sages when it suits their own purposes.

  • 2

    presto345

    I have a feeling the Chinese government is confident in its provocative stand towards Japan and other Asian nations thinking it has gotten hold of sufficient (Japanese) technology and know-how to run its industries independently. Not to worry about the Japanese packing up and setting up shop elsewhere. This [Chinese confidence] may work for a while, but it is sure to backfire. The country is being watched not only by Asian nations, but the whole world and it will alienate itself in spite of (present) cheap labor and cheap products. Not to speak even of all the illegal copied technology and products.

    But I do hope common sense and restraint will prevail, because no one is going to benefit from a major escalating dispute.

  • -2

    nahadef

    Sorry to be so impolite to another user, especially when they had taken so much time to be polite to other users here... "To the extent that this article is accurate, China, as a country, is acting utterly pathetic.

    I would love to have read a news article about China in the last 10 years that didn't paint them as the petulant bully of Asia. I would have to read CCP-approved news for that, I guess."

  • -7

    smithinjapan

    Japan has GOT to try and mollify the Chinese, whether they deserve it or not, because if not the Chinese will take the islands -- that's all there is to it -- and then there will be no more questions about whom they belong to. It won't result in all out war, and the world will berate China for it, but that's all that will happen while Japan whines about losing the islands. The US won't step in except to condemn any violence that occurs. If only Ishihara had kept his old yap shut and his blinking to a minimum, none of this would even have gotten out of hand. And this is the guy that wants the Olympics and talks about how welcoming Japan is to other nations and cultures wall calling them 'gaijin' if they question his motives (including Japanese).

    Japan is going to lose this.... and quickly... if they don't shape up and settle down. Move away from the island, and shut down the rhetoric. It will be seen by the wingers as a lack of strength--the same wingers who lament Japan's surrender in WWII and want the Emperor restored to power--but the strength is knowing when to do what is best for the nation, and the current path is not. I would say the same for China, but they are never going to stop being aggressive, for they have the means, and they can try and justify it based on history, and the rampant nationalism makes them a force to be feared. Don't give them the islands, but don't push them into taking them by force. If Gemba is serious about calming tensions, stop the purchase of the islands by weak-minded nationalists like Ishihara who are half-way in the ground as it is. Restart talks about joint mining of the gas fields in the area, and assure China you mean to improve relations. Granted, it would be seen as weakness by all the war-mongering idiots in this nation, but avoiding war is in everyone's best interests, and taking the higher ground is just that -- the higher ground. China certainly isn't going to take the higher ground on this issue.

  • -1

    Hiniku

    I doubt very much that China or Taiwan will bring this to the ICJ... not because they think they'll lose but why would anybody let a court decide something when they 100% feel it is theirs in the first place. When you're dealing with deeds and titles within one country's borders, yes, a court would work but there are no deeds or titles to this land that China, Taiwan, or Japan would recognize other than one's produced in their own countries. This will come down to either dividing up the mineral rights around the Islands or military action. If I were one of the 3 countries I'd quickly put a massive military prescence on and around the disputed islands and dare the rest to take them back. Possession is 9 tenths of the law, at least that is what I've heard.

  • -2

    smithinjapan

    Hiniku: "I doubt very much that China or Taiwan will bring this to the ICJ... not because they think they'll lose but why would anybody let a court decide something when they 100% feel it is theirs in the first place."

    Not only that, but any decision by the ICJ is non-binding, and I guarantee that if both nations allowed it to go to the ICJ the country that would be declared in the wrong would simply dismiss it and the isle roes would continue as is, with more vehemence. Possession is 9 tenths of the law, agreed, and that is why it's in Japan's best interests to tone things down, make amends (not that they need to, but because they can), and wait it out. Time is on Japan's side if they don't push it, same as time is on South Korea's side with Dokdo, and definitely with Russia in terms of the Kuriles. Japan cannot possibly win all its island disputes, but with the Senkakus, if it tones down the current tensions, they stand to win in the long run.

  • -6

    smithinjapan

    Ishihara should come on the air and publicly apologize to those assaulted. It is 100% his fault.

  • 0

    nigelboy

    Not only that, but any decision by the ICJ is non-binding, and I guarantee that if both nations allowed it to go to the ICJ the country that would be declared in the wrong would simply dismiss it and the isle roes would continue as is, with more vehemence.

    If it's contentious case, then it's binding especially in territorial cases where even the territories which one possessed was eventually handed over to the winning state. (Nigeria-Cameroon/Bakassi Case).

    China has no case. It never had. This is why they won't even dare mention the word "ICJ".

  • -2

    smithinjapan

    nigelboy: "If it's contentious case, then it's binding especially in territorial cases where even the territories which one possessed was eventually handed over to the winning state. (Nigeria-Cameroon/Bakassi Case)."

    It's still non-binding. Both have to agree to the decision.

    "China has no case. It never had. This is why they won't even dare mention the word "ICJ"."

    And what if they did? Gemba would jump up and down and say it's not an issue because there is no dispute. You always miss seem to ignore the hypocrisy when it suits you. I also noticed you did a general thumbs down of all my comments. And here I defended you against such practices in the past. Tsk tsk.

  • 0

    nigelboy

    It's still non-binding. Both have to agree to the decision.

    That's what a "contentious" case is under ICJ.

    And what if they did? Gemba would jump up and down and say it's not an issue because there is no dispute. You always miss seem to ignore the hypocrisy when it suits you. I also noticed you did a general thumbs down of all my comments. And here I defended you against such practices in the past. Tsk tsk.

    If they did, they would of done so by now. We went over this smith. Your repeated arguments are getting booring.

  • 3

    Cos

    I don't support either side's stance. To me, the islands belong to Taiwan.

    And Taiwan belongs to China or to Japan ?

  • 2

    nigelboy

    And what bizzaro universe do you live in smith where a defendant files a lawsuit on claims on behalf of the plaintiff?

  • 1

    SamuraiBlue

    It's all show so that PRC can evade domestic economic problems.

    Their bubble is about to burst with small/mid size companies defaulting left and right. The wages are sky rocketing and international production facilities downsizing and or consider to downsize. (Not able to move out completely due to PRC commerce law).

    If you notice, Uniclo clothing are now made in places like Bangladesh.

    PRC's downslide is going to be ugly and faster than many would imagine.

  • 0

    nigelboy

    http://www.recordchina.co.jp/group.php?groupid=64667&type=0

    "Please don't destroy my Japanese car!!" stickers.

    Comedy. Enuff said.

  • -3

    Jay Hoffman

    China has been bending backwards for so long to maintain the status quo, Japan is the one that started the whole mess

  • 0

    DudeDeuce

    I don't get why Chinese people want to attack Japanese people because of some rocks in the sea. I highly doubt that both the Japanese and Chinese parties have ever been to or will ever to go these tiny islands.

  • -2

    Jay Hoffman

    “The-actual–control-of-islands” is apparently not good enough for Japan, China now will regularly send the marine surveillance ships to the disputed islands, this will come back bite Japan in the butt, to call this playing with fire would be an absurd understatement

  • -1

    slave owner

    chinese have a long memory (because they were victimized). japanese have a short-term memory(because they were the aggressor to put it mildly). both wonder why the other don't see the issue eye-to-eye.

  • 2

    nigelboy

    chinese have a long memory (because they were victimized). japanese have a short-term memory(because they were the aggressor to put it mildly). both wonder why the other don't see the issue eye-to-eye.

    False. It's as a result of what the Chinese government feeds them to their population. That's why they are completely oblivious to the chaos of Cultural Revolution, Great Leap Backwards, and Tianamen Square.

  • 0

    nigelboy

    “The-actual–control-of-islands” is apparently not good enough for Japan, China now will regularly send the marine surveillance ships to the disputed islands, this will come back bite Japan in the butt, to call this playing with fire would be an absurd understatement

    Believe it or not, the so-called "control" of the islands by Japan is paper only for it's uninhabited with just a few Coast Guard patrolling nearby. PLA, can at any time, occupy the islands but they have not done so like they did with the islands in South China Sea. The Senkaku dispute is nothing more than a political card used by China to deflect their domestic problems and nothing more.

  • 2

    globalwatcher

    This topic is telling me that the diplomacy between Japan and China has been broken. If hosting country, in this case China, is not willing to do a job for safety of Japanese citizens and business, Japan needs to think twice before investing more in China. Japan may want to think about relocating business investments to somewhere else safer. China needs Japan more than Japan needs China. Without foreign investment, China will collapse, it is matter of time. Stay cool and start applying this strategy aggressively for change.

  • 2

    roberto60

    go japan, buuuu china

  • 0

    Tianzhong Long

    We should not connect this single case to the island purchasing political issues. The Japanese got beaten because of his bad behavior ( made noise in public). There are millions of Japanese people live and work in China. All of them are safe. Japanese government is too sensitive. Chinese people are friendly to Japanese people always.

  • -2

    YuriOtani

    The 60,000 Japanese in China need to come home to Japan. Really they hate your guts and being there is being in danger. The conflict can start anytime now, you are in grave danger!

  • 1

    OssanAmerica

    smithinjapanSep. 14, 2012 - 10:08PM JST

    Japan has GOT to try and mollify the Chinese, whether they deserve it or not, because if not the Chinese will take >the islands -- that's all there is to it -- and then there will be no more questions about whom they belong to. It won't >result in all out war, and the world will berate China for it, but that's all that will happen while Japan whines about >losing the islands.

    Japan HAS tried to mofuy them byu stopping Ishijhara plans to biuld there. But that ewasn't enough. The only way to "Molify" China is to hand the Senkakuis to them without argument. Is that what you are proposing?

    The US won't step in except to condemn any violence that occurs

    Wrong. THe US didn't "pivot" to the Pacific just so we can watch China continue to expand it'ls territories and control over the East and South China Seas and bully all of it;s ASian neighbors with force. You simply have no idea to what extent China has been a priority in he region for the last 15 years.,

  • 4

    OssanAmerica

    Unless the Chinese Govt quash this nonsense now the world will see China as a barbaric uncivilized nouveaux-riche simian mimicry of advanced developed nations, Since hey seem unwilling to do so, Japan should go ahead and build on the islands starting tommorrow. Let the mobs tur4n on the Chinbese government for "not starting a war".

  • -8

    Disillusioned

    I can't believe the majority of posts are so anti-china. Have a look at the map folks. These islands are no where near Japan and the only reason they are considered Japanese is cos the US gave them to Japan at the end of WW2. They never were Japanese territory. They are the spoils of war and should be given back

  • 3

    OssanAmerica

    Disillusiomned, if China wants to act likea civilized country then they can take Japan to the ICJ to settle the dispute. But they haven't , preferring to play strong-arm tactics and letting the rabid mobs smash cars, restaurants and now attcking innocent unrelated people. The Chinese call Americans "racist" but we don';t go around beating people up, amd those whjo do are prosecuted under Fedral laws. I don;t see China lifting a finger to stop this barbaric low-brow nonsense. So yea, I'm pretty Anti-China. Based on their attutude and behavior, I'd be Anti-China even if the islands were 5 miles from Shanghai.

  • 7

    Chamkun

    Dog:Japanese logic goes something like this, 'what is yours is mine and what is mine is mine' This state is not true.

    Senkaku and Takeshima are two different cases as you know. But with both cases, if people read Cairo declaration and San Francisco treaty thoroughly, the cases become clear. Since the both issues arise from ignoring SF treaty, I put some facts here. Plainly and simply

    1)Former Secretary of State, Dean Rusk sent a letter to Korea as a representative of the Allies who completed SF treaty clearly stated in 1951 that the island is Japan territory.

    2) James Van Fleet as Eisenhower U.S. President's special ambassador to S.Korea delivered the message from the US that the territorial sea line which the South Korean President set up in 1951 was illegal. James stated in his government report in 1954.

    3)Douglas MacArthur, on April 27, 1960 from the position of having full knowledge of postwar processing of the Allies of in those days, addressing telegram wording of a telegram to Ambassador to Korea McConaughy. I can read it clearly stated that Takeshima is a territory of Japan. This document was a secret for long time but now which is available at U.S. Public Record.

    Yes, some people are right according to Cairo declaration, Japan only allowed to have just 4 main lands.But this declaration was a preparation to set the stage for SF peace treaty in 1951. The article 2 and 3 added more details. In article 2 shows what Japan lost, separated from, or returned to the original nation. The article 3 indicates what Japan may keep. Takeshima was one of them Japan may keep. Senkaku which had been the part of Okinawa prefecture since 1895 became the under occupation of the US. China said nothing then.The US did not think US ruled Chinese islands then,either. It was returned to Japan in 1972. China did not say anything like they do today.Why?Just simply makes no sense if Senkaku had been Chinese territory.

    But the UN research team found some natural gas under Senkaku, China started saying Senkaku is China. And after, Taiwan Haixia missile crisis in1996, China started thier unclear budget military expansion especially on their navy. China expressed its` intention to US to divide the pacific at pearl Harboe as the middle point. between US and China. The US did not subscribe to that suggestion. So strategically Senkaku became important for China as their free route for the pacific. For me this is not only the island issue. I am afraid of Sinocentrism.

  • 6

    Chamkun

    Disillusioned and some other people who talk about the distance between Senkaku and Japan.

    The judicial precedent in an international law. Island of Pal mas Case.

    1)The title by geographical approachability does not have a meaning in the international law.

    2) Discovery itself is immature origin of rights to obtain a sovereignty in international law which is inchoate title.

    3) When a foreign country begins to use realistic sovereignty and a discovery country does not protest, the title which uses sovereignty is only larger than the title of discovery.

    The world we live in now is lawful society. If only the distance determines its` sovereignty, it will produce so many problems. You know Guam is America but Taiwan is closer than America. However Taiwan has no intention to claim as Guam as Taiwan.

  • 4

    nigelboy

    Chamkun,

    Discussing International judgement precedents (I.e. Palmas case) is useless to most posters here especially to Disillusioned whose initial argument was "look at the maps!!".

  • 2

    4649Julian

    These islands are no where near Japan and the only reason they are considered Japanese is cos the US gave them to Japan at the end of WW2. They never were Japanese territory. They are the spoils of war and should be given back

    Another clueless wonder who have absolutely no clue as to the background of this dispute.

    After the JPN Gov. had checked China called Shin then, if these islands belonged to China or not, then the islands were registered as Okinawa Japan 1895, Japan built a bonito flakes factory. Japaneses people were living on the island till1941,then WW2 broke out. Everyone on the island went back to the mainland.

    In this fact, Japan seems obtains the 1)2)3) of the judicial precedent in an International law one above my comment.

    China and Korea should send Japan to the international court to solve the issue now not sending any military ship. Japan has now been active supporter of UN for a long time and no military aggression they have manifested since the peace treaty in San Francisco. China and Korea should not stimulate Japan. They are giving the right reason to Japan to change their constitution article 9 which is declaration of war.

  • 5

    YuriOtani

    There was no Peoples Republic of China in 1895 and the Republic of China or the Chinese Kingdom signed over the islands in 1895. There is no more Republic of China, these islands belong to Japan.

  • 6

    Virtuoso

    The last time I was in China I happened to mention to a total stranger that I lived in Japan and he glared at me with a look of pure, undiluted hatred. While the virus of xenophobia is running rampant in China I don't think I'll be visiting again any time soon -- I just don't feel safe there. So much for people-to-people diplomacy.

  • -3

    smithinjapan

    Ossan: "Japan HAS tried to mofuy them byu stopping Ishijhara plans to biuld there."

    Dude, I can't even understand what you're trying to say.

    "The only way to "Molify" China is to hand the Senkakuis to them without argument. Is that what you are proposing?"

    Obviously you didn't read my post before you copied and pasted. I said they need to calm down the rhetoric and start suggesting joint development of the oil fields again. If they can calm down all this talk of confrontation time will be on Japan's side in terms of island possession. They keep speeding it up and they'll lose the islands for sure.

  • 1

    House Atreides

    The consulate said another case involved a Chinese person throwing a bowl of hot noodles with soup at the face of a Japanese national.

    The Japanese who got his face splattered with hot noodles required medical treatment for his eyes. It wouldn't surprise me if the Chinese started killing Japanese citizens in the not too distant future. Some deranged Chinese could easily carry out a Todd Bachman style killing. We might even see something similar to what happened during the Boxer Rebellion if the Chinese government escalates the situation.

  • -5

    Crystalyle

    The Japanese government issued a warning on Thursday and detailed some of the cases reported in Shanghai, home to more than 60,000 Japanese citizens, the diplomat said.

    WOW, now Japan claims that Shanghai is their "home". Shanghai is Japanese territory?

    China should kick them out or amass them all into one concentrated area for their safety until flight arrangements or ships can get them home. The local police in Shanghai simply cannot protect all 60,000 who are spread out.

    How do you feel about that Ishihara? On the surface it looks beneficial doesn't it? Naturally Japan will do the same. Yokohama will be shut down.

  • 3

    Virtuoso

    Here we go -- it's the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution all over again. Despite the thin veneer of economic progress and new freedoms, it's really amazing how little the Chinese have changed since 1966.

  • 3

    aisai

    WOW, now Japan claims that Shanghai is their "home". Shanghai is Japanese territory?

    WOW, you're really reaching with that one, aren't you?

    That is probably an English translation of the Japanese Government's warning. There's no way of knowing who translated it. It could have been just some news agency. It 's just added information to show that there are many Japanese nationals living in Shanghai. Some of these people may be there only short term, but some may have chosen to make China their "home" and thus have been their many years.

    The word "home" is often used in that way to figuratively describe where someone has chosen to live their lives. The sentence "Japan is home to many Chinese" does not mean in any way that Japan is part of China. Nobody in the Japanese Government or the Japanese Press is even insinuating that Shanghai is Japanese territory.

  • -2

    akkk1

    PRC's downslide is going to be ugly and faster than many would imagine.

    It's all gloom and doom for Japan's economy also. Together they will fall. Bye, bye East Asia.

  • 2

    serendipitous

    C'mon disillusioned!

    Hawaii is nowhere near the US! Look at a map. It's not always about proximity.....

  • 0

    Cho88

    This is actually scary. I can see both countries being both stubborn and dumb enough to go into war over this.

  • 0

    phosphor

    @breakingpoint : Japan will be invaded by China soon.

    This ignorant babbling about china invading japan craps me up. You should know SDF's weaponry is selected, designed and built for protection and not for attacking, it has no ability to attack china's mainland but they sure will send most of PLA-navy's invasion force to bottom of the sea even before reaching japanese shore.

    If you still believe china can invade japan, do some googling about "CURRENT" PLA and SDF before spweing out nonsense.

  • 0

    phosphor

    I really need an editor...."cracks me up".

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