Anti-Japan protests break out in 8 Chinese cities over isle row

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  • -2

    Sir_Edgar

    So this is good for relations and business with China?

  • 27

    CrazyJoe

    Japan is not your enemy. Your enemy is the Chinese Communist Party.

  • 11

    edojin

    Believe the Chinese government worries about such protests ... because as has happened in the past, any kind of demonstration can suddenly turn anti-government. So the government has to make sure the protestors keep on the subject at hand and not stray into the anti-government category. And there are many reasons why the protestors are unhappy with their own government ...

  • 3

    Akemi Mokoto

    This scares the hell outta me...

  • 1

    Ayler

    oooh KFC. The Colonel is indifferent to such pettiness.

  • 2

    ubikwit

    仲良くしよう。

  • -4

    Dog

    edojinAug. 19, 2012 - 04:37PM JST

    Believe the Chinese government worries about such protests ... because as has happened in the past, any kind of demonstration can suddenly turn anti-government.

    While in Japan, any anti government demonstration is eventually labelled as being anti-Japanese, which is better?

    There is no difference between Japan and China, except for state repression in China is the function of the Chinese ineternal security police, while in Japan, it's the function of the yakuza and Uyoku.

  • 9

    minello7

    And now what about all the Japanese nationals living in China, plus those Japanese business.What about their lives???. Do the nationalist on both sides really care about the future of Asia for our children and our grandchildren. What a selfish mindless bunch. But the governments and politicians don't clamp down on the nationalists, Why ??

  • -4

    Ch1n4Sailor

    Japan is not your enemy. Your enemy is the Chinese Communist Party.

    The problem is, Crazy Joe, that Japan has a bad case of Amnesia over what it did during the last 100 years, problem is, The other 38 Asian Nations haven't forgotten what Japan did to them...

    It's Not just China either, pick an Asian country and odds are Japan has claimed one of their islands as it's own...

    I think Japan needs to consider some serious History lessons for its OWN people, about just exactly what they did during say, 1900 to about 1945, after that I think the Japanese themselves would realize how lucky they really are, to be living in a free and prosperous country, considering ALL the EVIL things they perpetrated on ALL of Asia...

    Again, it all goes back to this notion of Japanese Victim-Hood, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

    I'm by no means any fan of China, but I have to take their side, as well as the Koreans' in these nonsensical island claims by Japan.

  • 9

    hatsoff

    Anti-Japan protests "break out" in China? Of course, the verb 'break out' doesn't carry the sense of spontaneity we all associate with it. It's better translated here as "orchestrated by the authorities".

    And when the protests threaten to get out of control China will stamp them out because it's scared the crowd might really be spontaneous and turn on the government.

  • 4

    smithinjapan

    Gee, who could have predicted this?

  • 5

    Graham DeShazo

    If they hate Japan so much they could stop rampantly violating copyrights and refrain from technology theft. Oh wait, ....they like that part of Japan. They could stop trading. No, ....They like that too. Oh well....

  • 1

    Voodoo_People

    Report from MissXQ in China states that it is actually in 11 cities.

  • 7

    Voodoo_People

    @hat

    And when the protests threaten to get out of control China will stamp them out because it's scared the crowd might really be spontaneous and turn on the government.

    Seems that the police are sending armed military in helicopters to Shenzhen and Guangzhou as thousands hit the streets and are now randomly destroying Japanese-made cars, and "big electrical appliance retailers Suning said they stop selling Japanese products".

    I am not condoning nor choosing sides, but there are major differences in how people in China are attempting to prove their point and how the Japanese are/aren't.

  • -1

    sheetu

    It can be assured these anti-Japan protests in over 10 cities Sunday are spontaneous.

  • 3

    Tamarama

    These people swimming to these islands from both sides are provocative irresponsible idiots. I think Japan has a serious problem now - they are at a crossroad with these islands. They were aquired under questionable circumstances and their historical claim to the islands is weaker than China's. Geographically, the claim is even more questionable. Japan needs to build it's relationship with China, not corrode it and this might be the best place to start making peace, not war. The government needs to stop these fools doing things like this.

  • 3

    AlternateUniverse

    The problem is, Crazy Joe, that Japan has a bad case of Amnesia over what it did during the last 100 years,

    And the Chinese have amnesia over the Cultural Revolution apparently, just as brutal, and much more recent. It would put the hatred for Japan in perspective if only they could remember...

    But the Chinese authorities are probably grateful to have someone to point at and blame and have the people agree and ignore the sins of the government for a while. This is very much like how Japan uses Takeshima, and America uses Iran. People are gullible and forgetful, and politicians know it.

  • -2

    Chandra Lindmark

    Anti-Chinese government protest would be more beneficial for all the Chinese citizens as well as for the rest of the world.So let´s fight at home for our own rights first.

  • 2

    Shumatsu_Samurai

    There is no difference between Japan and China, except for state repression in China is the function of the Chinese ineternal security police, while in Japan, it's the function of the yakuza and Uyoku.

    Complete drivel. Japan has these things called elections, which the incumbents sometimes lose. If you disagree, please explain how the DPJ was able to take power from the LDP. And I don't recall anyone cracking down on the anti-nuclear (and definitely anti-government) protests recently.

    Japan isn't perfect, but it's a far freer country than China.

  • -2

    Sir_Edgar

    Those of you that think these demonstrations are somehow orchestrated by Beijing need to actually go and visit China. It's not like what you think. If anything Japanese society is more "mechanical".

  • 3

    presto345

    仲良くしよう。

    This is supposed to be an English language forum.

  • 4

    the-grouch

    I am with Akemi on this one.

    "This scares the hell out of me" (me too!)

    I am a bit worried because this could scale up to a war then again not. You should never under estimate the Chinese, the Russians, the Koreans and the Japanese. They have been hating each other since the start of history so this is just another chapter in the long history of Asia. What scares me is that they (the Chinese) have war capabilities.

  • 5

    presto345

    authorities allowed thousands of people to show their anger over a bitter territorial row between the two nations.

    Isn't that clever. You'd think the Chinese people have more pressing issues to vent their anger about, like freedom of speech, democracy, family planning, inequality, housing, pollution, income gap, graft, the list goes on. It is easy to mislead and manipulate the uneducated masses. A territorial row? Yeah, right. Japan on one side, and on the other a country that claims about all of the South China sea as its backyard.

    I very much doubt the mobs have any idea what the map of the maritime claims looks like. Nor do they have the faintest idea of what is at stake. All they know is what they get fed through the state controlled media which is one sided, incomplete, censored and hate inducing.

  • 6

    globalwatcher

    China is in trouble as you know it. Japan has been used as a "Scapegoat" for Beijin.

    Tell Beijin to fix their own problems instead of bashing Japan.

    Japan, tell the truth to the world. You've got all the tolls what to do.

  • 4

    serendipitous

    The Chinese Communist Party will let the protests go for a while but if they get too big, watch what happens. The CCP will have to clampdown on protesters because those in power will start to get nervous that the direction of the protesters' anger could shift towards the CCP itself.

  • -3

    YankeeX

    The Chinese are evidently angry at previous injustices made by the Japanese and their voracious nature as well as their inability to accept any form of responsibility, except, yes we started the war. I don't support China but but I do see the bases of their anger.

  • 4

    hatsoff

    Those of you that think these demonstrations are somehow orchestrated by Beijing need to actually go and visit China. It's not like what you think. If anything Japanese society is more "mechanical".

    They are orchestrated. Do the Chinese authorities allow protests when corrupt town planners forcibly knock down residents' houses? Were the minority Uighurs allowed to protest against social discrimination? Do the Chinese authorities allow protests when the anniversary of Tiananman Square come around? Oh but surprise surprise here are the anti-Japan protests.

    I don't doubt the protesters feel the islands are theirs, but there's a lot of venting going on for other reasons too, and when it gets out of control they'll be stamped on. So I think I'll save myself the airfare.

  • 0

    TokyoGas

    That is a lot of people.

  • 1

    ihope2eatwhales

    Chinese people are unfortunately easily brainwashed by communist party of china.

    They believe that anything is justified by "aikokushin", love for their country.

    It is easy to see that one day WWIII will start because of China. I hope that Japan, the US and other free countries of the world will still be strong enough to repel this evil, rather than let it spread through the world like a cancer.

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    dq_luu@yahoo.com

    "The problem is, Crazy Joe, that Japan has a bad case of Amnesia over what it did during the last 100 years, problem is, The other 38 Asian Nations haven't forgotten what Japan did to them..."

    Not exactly, you can ask people from Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thai, Myanmar, India, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal, Mongol, Brunei, East Timor, Pakistan, and go on central Asia nations.....the majority of people from these places don't know, or don't mind about the Japanese past.

    People from the Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore or EVEN Taiwan may have some grievance; however, no serious problem.

    what's left are CHINA AND KOREA.........you got the picture now?

    "Those of you that think these demonstrations are somehow orchestrated by Beijing need to actually go and visit China."

    i've been to China and i can tell you this, without the gov't approval and support, there IS NO demonstration on political issues. On the other hand, demonstrations regarding labor disputes are often over looked, especially toward FDI companies.

    "I think Japan needs to consider some serious History lessons for its OWN people, about just exactly what they did during say, 1900 to about 1945, after that I think the Japanese themselves would realize how lucky they really are, to be living in a free and prosperous country, considering ALL the EVIL things they perpetrated on ALL of Asia..."

    to be able to fully history is a good thing; however, no COUNTRIES ever fully, truthfully listed present it's worst part to its own citizen. China history books also do not mention it's invasion of neighboring countries in the past, as well as it's support of the khmer rouge.

    you also forgot one good thing that Japan did, that is to escalated the end of colonialism in Asia after ww2 since all european powers were devastated by the war on 2 fronts.

    "I'm by no means any fan of China, but I have to take their side, as well as the Koreans' in these nonsensical island claims by Japan."

    not only Japan, but the other 2 countries that you "have to take their side" also have "nonsensical island claims" Korea claims of Tsushima China claims of the ENTIRE South China Sea which includes seas belong to OTHER SOUTHEAST ASIAN NATIONS. it doens't matter if you are a fan of china or not, i can tell you are SIMPLY ANTI-JAPAN.

  • -2

    GW

    And the Chinese have amnesia over the Cultural Revolution apparently

    Alternate,

    I highly doubt it, this is simple, if a chinese protests about the cultural revolution he/she will end up behind BARS, they know this so MOST dont protest, its because they dont have freedom, simple is that, SO that leaves issues like China history with Japan, NOW that the govt will allow, too an extent, so they know they can have at it!

    Now personally I think both Japan & China can act like a bunch of 2yr olds, but Japan has really left themselves open for this due to their 6+decades of whitewashing & denial. Japan has taken the low road all these decades & is reaping what its sewn, pure & simple.

    And I have also said many times that China is only a matter of time before it implodes &/or explodes or BOTH! And the Chinese govt knows this that is why they are so pissed about whats happened & happening in the arab world with arab spring Chinese govt is VERY afraid they cud be next & I think it will happen. There is no way in the world you cud pay me to live in China as it is set to blow its top!

    Folks we are looking at potentially very volitile situation wrt to China Japan & Korea.............at least in Japan we shud have enough time to jump ship if need be, you'd best have a plan!

  • 0

    Helvetica

    I don't think this islands will benefit with the poor Chinese people... And destroying relationship is a Lose-Lose to both countries...

  • 0

    voiceofokinawa

    The territorial row over the Senkaku (or Diaoyu) Islands looks like a brawl of one nationalist group of one country against another nationalistic group of another country. But the size of people that took to streets demonstrates there are far more nationalistic and chauvinistic elements in China. Nationalism and chauvinism must be suppressed before they become out of control and also before small skirmishes flared up into real conflicts.

    There should be an international forum at a citizen's level to discuss the problem. Simply shouting at each other, "the islands are our territory," won't solve the problem at all. Both sides must be cool enough to listen to the other's say. ICJ may be the best venue for such discussion but, strangely enough, they won't take up a case filed by private sectors nor unless two concerned countries jointly filed the case. That's really strange.

    The reasons given for these conditions are: (1) that the international community doesn't have a unified law enforcement power and (2) that each member nation has equal sovereignty. Can they be reasons? The U.N. should discuss the rationality of such provisions and get rid of them as soon as possible.

  • 2

    John S. Whitford

    I wonder if the protesters get paid or if they are just told to go like in North Korea?

  • 2

    Open Minded

    To all belligerent parties: come down, sit and discuss as proper educated adults. This escalation is a proof of your weakness to deal with diplomacy! What is your objectives? Gaining vote being awkard or representing the majotity of your electors. Use your brain, learn from history, ... Be cool!

  • 6

    BertieWooster

    Protests against Japan broke out in at least eight Chinese cities on Sunday, as authorities allowed thousands of people to show their anger over a bitter territorial row between the two nations.

    Translation:

    Protests against Japan broke out in at least eight Chinese cities on Sunday, as authorities ENCOURAGED thousands of people to show their anger over a bitter territorial row between the two nations.

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    Guy Kazama

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    Ch1n4SailorAug. 19, 2012 - 06:14PM JST

    Japan is not your enemy. Your enemy is the Chinese Communist Party.

    The problem is, Crazy Joe, that Japan has a bad case of Amnesia over what it did during the last 100 years, problem is, The other 38 Asian Nations haven't forgotten what Japan did to them...

    So what's your point? Should China now be allowed to commit atrocities on the Japanese people? And who will be the judge of when enough is enough? You? We have the same problem with blacks in the USA. They cannot let go of the slavery issue, even as the media is flooded with blacks who enjoy wealth and fame beyond anything this white boy can imagine. Drop it already! You people are the problem. You are the ones who keep getting in the way of world peace, because as soon as we make any strides towards it, here you come to re-open old wounds and flare up old hatreds. Get out of our way already.

  • -9

    Dog

    ihope2eatwhales

    Chinese people are unfortunately easily brainwashed by communist party of china.

    And japanese are not?

    They believe that anything is justified by "aikokushin", love for their country.

    I'm not sure the Chinese would understand "aikokushin", There are millions of senior aged Japanese men and women who would and practice it every August of every year.

  • -3

    PT24881

    Unlike past confrontations, the background of the series of disputed territories related conflicts rooted from a combined factors in Japan ( economic downturns, surge of pro-rightist policies, the consecutive short-lived gov'ts' inability to handle internal 'bread & butter' issues etc ). Take a glance at the public opinion at respective countries engaged in he conflicts with Japan..there are reasons to call for serious concerns. If not being skillfully managed and let the situation run out of control, Japan's hope to ascend to 'normal country' status will suffer setbacks for decades. The J right wing opportunists are held responsible.

    The key is within NOT without..

  • 2

    globalwatcher

    Folks, read this post very carefully what Beijing has been saying.

    This is a power struggle between Beijing and Hong Kong that was once under British control. There are many Democracy scholors in HongKong who once studied in Western World and US.

    There are two China today within Red China.

    1) In the southern city of Shenzhen, which borders Hong Kong, protesters waved Chinese flags and shouted slogans as they marched on major streets

    2) Zhang Pei, one of the participants, said protesters were marching toward the train station on the border with Hong Kong.

    3) They (Beijin) are using the popular card to put pressure on Japan,Willy Lam, a China expert at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, told AFP

    4)They followed the detention of 14 pro-China activists and journalists who had sailed from Hong Kong to land on the islands. They were deported on Friday.

    Folks, stay calm. Beijin is simply manipulating these protesters to satisfy their objectives. Eventually, it will backfire against Beijing.

  • -1

    globalwatcher

    So the recent decision of Noda to let these activist going back to Hong Kong is an excellent one. Holding them and charging them in Japan probably adding fuel to fire that is exactly what Beijing wanted Japan to do. Hey, Japan (Noda) was lot smarter than that while Tanigaki and Ishihara failed to see. You've got to be smart when dealing with China. If you want to know what's going on in China, you need to read two weblinks; one from Beijing and the other from Hong Kong and compare.

  • 1

    OssanAmerica

    DogAug. 19, 2012 - 05:26PM JST "Believe the Chinese government worries about such protests ... because as has happened in the past, any kind of demonstration can suddenly turn anti-government."

    While in Japan, any anti government demonstration is eventually labelled as being anti-Japanese, which is better?

    No that is not true. Plenty of demonstrartions against the government, just look at gthe nuiclear plant issue. Nobody is calling the anti-nuclear faction "anti-Japanese".

    There is no difference between Japan and China, except for state repression in China is the function of the Chinese >ineternal security police, while in Japan, it's the function of the yakuza and Uyoku.

    Wrong again. There is a temendous difference in that in China the State controls these demonstrations and uses nationalism as party of the foreign policy. In Japan, the Yakuza and Right Wing don't have ther power to directly influence foreign policy.

  • 1

    fivegogo2003@yahoo.com

    One of the biggest genocide was not committed by Japan to the Chinese people but by it's own Chinese government and even Mao Tse Tung's did not ask for islands when relations began in the 60's. China should bide by International laws or otherwise go to court and settle once and for all. Oh I forgot it's already settled.

  • 0

    OssanAmerica

    Ch1n4SailorAug. 19, 2012 - 06:14PM JST The problem is, Crazy Joe, that Japan has a bad case of Amnesia over what it did during the last 100 years, problem >is, The other 38 Asian Nations haven't forgotten what Japan did to them... It's Not just China either, pick an Asian country and odds are Japan has claimed one of their islands as it's own...

    That's realloy nonsense. China has over 17 territorial dusputes with it;s Asian neighbors. Japan has 4. All of Asia apart from China (PRC) and the Koreas have put WWII behind them and have normal relationships with Japan.

  • 1

    OssanAmerica

    Japan should immediately send the JSDF to secure the islands and proceed to construct an outpost. The Chinese masses will get angrier and their protests will turn towards the Chinese govt who will then ban the demonstrations and tell everyone to go home. And if they don't they will run them over with tanks.

  • -5

    sandiegoluv

    Well, this is one of the things that I said was going to happen. Japan's does something to escalate the situation and it has escalated. Leave the situation alone and get your priorities in order for the time being. Japan has too many problems and I think the politicians are allowing this nonsense to occur for the same reason that the Chinese government is. It changes the focus of attention. First, fix the economy, education system and so many other things that are broken in Japan. Don't just go and start a fight. I hope the idiot right wingers and politicians are happy for creating a horrible situation.

    Hey, you started this nonsense Japan. Happy? Yes, ignorance is bliss. But it wont be for long if you keep escalating the problem. Leave the situation alone, repair relations with the Chinese and then go make a discussion on the issue. You got everything backwards. This is not the time. You have better things to concentrate on.

  • 3

    nigelboy

    what's left are CHINA AND KOREA.........you got the picture now?

    There are I believe 48 nations in Asia. Of which, only these two are conducting these anti-Japan demonstrations on a regular basis. As you stated, you are not allowed to conduct demonstrations in China unless you get the approval from the authorities.

    http://www.china-embassy.or.jp/jpn/zt/xjflg/t62964.htm

    So yep. Demonstrating human rights, labor standards, independence, democracy in China? Not only would it not be approved, these unauthrozied demonstrations will be met with heavy resistance from the PLA so prepare for casualties. Demonstrating anti-Japan. No approval necessary.

  • 0

    oberst

    Don't you just love those " Nationalists " from China and Japan ? Hope no Japanese tourists got roughen up like that Korean

  • -2

    sandiegoluv

    I'm sorry, wasn't it Maehara that started all this nonsense by saying that Japan could or would defend the islands if necessary? Wasn't that what started this all? By the way, what did you think the Chinese were going to do? We know what the Chinese are capable of. Everyone knows that. But why through gasoline on the fire?

  • -2

    sandiegoluv

    throw gasoline on the fire.

  • -1

    Bellpeppers

    China and Korea, their hatred against Japan does not sleep. A small excuse is all they need to rise up against evil Japan once again.

  • 2

    OssanAmerica

    sandiegoluvAug. 20, 2012 - 01:46AM JST Well, this is one of the things that I said was going to happen. Japan's does something to escalate the situation and it has >

    Looks like you're the one whose got everything backwards. Japan didn't start anything. China, which said nothing about these islands suddemly made a claim in the early 1070ps only because gas/poil was found there in the late 1960s. China's efforts to "take" all of the East and South China Seas is a known issue if you follow the news at all.

  • -4

    YuriOtani

    sandiegoluv these "protests" are overdue, if it was not the Japanese "nationalists" planting the Japanese flag on Japanese soil, it would be something else. These "protests" allow the Chinese government to figure out who would organize anti government rallies. In time of anti government protest they will be arrested. Second it allows people to blow off steam and hate Japanese. I remind everyone we the current people of Japan have done nothing to harm China. Anyone who ever mad a decision to hurt them is already dead.

  • 3

    billyshears

    The BBC's Martin Patience in Beijing says the outbreak of protests was almost certainly sanctioned by the Chinese authorities, as they were well policed.　In the past, the authorities have used anti-Japanese sentiment to deflect criticism of their rule, he says.

  • -2

    BessonovYan

    Japan was not condemn own war criminals. That is result of that. Now China use own nationalists for frighten of Japan and own neighbors. China need get Senkaku without military incidents. Because China need oil, gaz, fish. Also China need presentation of own power but China not need military incidents because else neighbors would need get a-bomb for security from China. May be NK can sell it on auction. Where is USA military force? Japan pay for it!

  • 4

    sarcaustic

    When the Chinese government rolls in the tanks, they will be fleeing to nearby countries, such as Japan.

  • -2

    Ch1n4Sailor

    Not exactly, you can ask people from Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thai, Myanmar, India, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal, Mongol, Brunei, East Timor, Pakistan, and go on central Asia nations.....the majority of people from these places don't know, or don't mind about the Japanese past.

    People from the Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Singapore or EVEN Taiwan may have some grievance; however, no serious problem.

    You see, protesting, and complaining about some obscure islands, 400 miles from your nearest territorial waters is something people do, when they have no other problems in the world to content with... 16 of the 18 countries you just listed have their own problems, just feeding their people, and they are happy to have food on the table and a roof over their heads.

    **So what's your point? ** Should China now be allowed to commit atrocities on the Japanese people? And who will be the judge of when enough is enough? You? We have the same problem with blacks in the USA. They cannot let go of the slavery issue, even as the media is flooded with blacks who enjoy wealth and fame beyond anything this white boy can imagine. Drop it already! You people are the problem. You are the ones who keep getting in the way of world peace, because as soon as we make any strides towards it, here you come to re-open old wounds and flare up old hatreds. Get out of our way already.

    Japan needs to REALIZE what it did 100 years ago, and LEARN from their mistakes..

    That's the problem, you have a 100-million Japanese walking around with Amnesia, like an alcoholic wife beater, who, goes on a wild drinking binge, beats his wife, rapes and steals from from his neighbors, then wanders home at 4am, and wakes up the next morning, wondering why everyone in his community gates him...

    That's your problem... I hope that's simple enough for you to understand...?

    Japan shouldn't be saying a single word for the next 200 years, after all the trouble in Asia, and the world you caused, and got off so easy...! Just thank your lucky stars to be living in a free and prosperous country, and that YOU ARE NOT living like North Korea...!

  • 0

    Guza!

    they look pretty pist :/ why cant we all just get along :)

  • -1

    Cletus

    OssanAmerica

    That's realloy nonsense. China has over 17 territorial dusputes with it;s Asian neighbors.

    Actually try 16 territorial disputes not as you claim over 17.

    Japan has 4.

    Try 6. And as this has been pointed out to you in the past lm guessing you are just adjusting your figures to make China look bad as you obviously have some issues with this country.

    All of Asia apart from China (PRC) and the Koreas have put WWII behind them and have normal relationships with Japan.

    Bit of a generalisation there, while many nations do not have the same animosity towards Japan as China and Korea do l would say they are far from putting Japans actions behind them as many if not all still hold annual events to remember Japans actions. They just choose to not take the same approach as these two nations. But then again what other nations suffered as much as these two at Japans hands?

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    nigelboy

    They just choose to not take the same approach as these two nations. But then again what other nations suffered as much as these two at Japans hands?

    True. But then again, SE Asian nations who suffered which I can honestly label "brutal" colonization from Europe/U.S., they're thinking, along the lines of "get over it."

    The weird thing about China though is that although Japan has caused the most harm among "other" nations, the most brutal suffering came from their own current government. So a casual third party observer would come to a conclusion, "WTF??"

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    hatsoff

    sandiegoluv

    I'm sorry, wasn't it Maehara that started all this nonsense by saying that Japan could or would defend the islands if necessary? Wasn't that what started this all? By the way, what did you think the Chinese were going to do? We know what the Chinese are capable of. Everyone knows that. But why through gasoline on the fire?

    No. Maehara was responding to China's aggressive expansion in Asia.

    There is a tiny island in the South China Sea, disputed by China, Vietnam and the Phillipines. Previously uninhabited, in June/July China landed on the island and renamed it Sansha. China landed 1,000 people there, built a post office and a supermarket. They have declared it China's newest municipality. This gives them strategic control over other parts of the South China Sea too.

    No country would/should stand idly by in the face of such action. The signs are there to be seen by all.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/24/china-dubs-tiny-island-new-city-in-sea-claim-bid/

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    sandiegoluv

    Yes, I am fully aware of how arrogant and aggressive China is. Like a bully on a schoolyard playground. Nothing worse. Yes, China has done wrong by placing people on Sansha. But different problem.

    But, Japan and China both have multiple disputes with its neighbors. I hate when people try to demonize China by saying that China has 16 or 17 disputes, while ignoring its geographical location and size, as if Japan wouldn't have the same amount if it were under the same circumstances.

    Anyway, even though I loath the Chinese government and it practices, I also feel that Japan should not follow the same arrogance. The islands are under Japanese control, right? So, don't let anyone go there. Shut your mouths about the islands and be done with it until you have a better situation or learn how to use the property together.

    @hatsoff - No, I am right. Maehara opened his big mouth and said that Japan could send ships down there to protect the islands if it needed to. THAT IS WHAT STARTED THIS! What China did in other areas has nothing to do with it and is nothing really new, is it? If he had a brain larger than a pea, he would have shut up and kept his cards close to him. There is no need to tell the public. You can't be honest with them about Fukushima, why the heck start now? It was for personal political gain.

  • 0

    sandiegoluv

    @Yuri = You may very well be right about your previous comment, but Japanese politicians sure fell into that one easily. You could be blind and still see that 18 wheeler barreling down the road, could you not? So, that is neither here nor there. It is a conspiracy theory that has most likely been concocted by a Japanese. No? If I am wrong, go ahead and show me where. No problem. Better educated and apologetic than ill-informed and proud of it, wouldn't you say?

    apan needs to REALIZE what it did 100 years ago, and LEARN from their mistakes..

    > That's the problem, you have a 100-million Japanese walking around with Amnesia, like an alcoholic wife beater, who, goes on a wild drinking binge, beats his wife, rapes and steals from from his neighbors, then wanders home at 4am, and wakes up the next morning, wondering why everyone in his community gates him...

    That's your problem... I hope that's simple enough for you to understand...?

    Japan shouldn't be saying a single word for the next 200 years, after all the trouble in Asia, and the world you caused, and got off so easy...! Just thank your lucky stars to be living in a free and prosperous country, and that YOU ARE NOT living like North Korea...!

    Ch1n4Sailor - Great post. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Got off so easy. Should teach the horrible realities of its past, instead of playing the victim's card only, every August. Man, that is pathetic on so many levels. Teach your youth the realities of what your country did. As Yuri, said, "Most of them are dead anyway", so you wont have to offend their delicate sensibilities, as if there was something like that to begin with. Anyway, teach history. Shut up about the islands. Spread peace instead of starting international incidents. Then China has no reason to complain. Hell, build a statue to the victims in Tokyo. How can China use it against you if you pony up and admit your faults and play nice? They can't. And you can use the islands together. Get of the "them" vs "us" mentality. It does not help and nobody wins.

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    Hoang Nguyen

    China is a real robber, China invaded Paracel island in 1974, some of tiny island in Spratly island in 1988 from Vietnam and now China wants 80 percent of the East sea includes in the EEZ of the other countries. China now claims Sensaku island is theirs, all of this because China is greedy and natural resources hungry and they want to dominate and control the world. Japan and the rest of the world will teach them a very good lesson.

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    Debucho

    china rocks! they let their people protest japan but run them over with tanks when they protest their own government. classic!

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    sandiegoluv

    @Hoang - As much as I agree with you and believe what you are saying is true, the last part is just wishful thinking. Sorry. Japan is not going to teach anyone a lesson. And the rest of the world is very dependent on China. She holds way too many cards and we are the ones who created that by sending factories over there to produce our goods so cheaply. Should have done what we did with the East Bloc and not do any business with them at all, but we got greedy and thought that the little China men would never be in a strong position to tell anyone what to do or boss anyone around. Kind of bit us in the backside, didn't it?. I said this was going to happen way back after the fall of the East Bloc.

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    sandiegoluv

    @Nigel - Yeah, Japan has beefs with many of its Asian neighbors but there are only two countries that are constantly having protests over Japan. One, South Korea and they should be quiet now. Japan has offered to take this to the World Court and South Korea declined. Well, if you have a beef with someone and you refuse to go to court over it, then you should shut up. China being the other one, now has the means to make quiet a lot of noise and is doing so. Weather it be government supported protests or not really doesn't matter, because Japanese politicians are fully aware of what is going to happen, and who is conducting them, but choose to say something stupid anyway. What? They didn't think this was going to happen? Really now? They knew full well, but were unconcerned with it. However they seem to be more concerned with furthering their own political careers, if they weren't then they would have escalated the situation at all. It is dumb to do so and will not benefit anyone except them.

    The other countries that have beefs with Japan are not really in a position to go bashing Japan. I think they have more internal problems to contend with. So, by saying that other countries are over it, except for these two and they should act like the other countries, hardly seems fair nor is it reasonable to ask such. Their situations for the most part are quite different.

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    sandiegoluv

    Can't type worth a &%$#& today.

    if they weren't then they would NOT have escalated the situation at all.

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    nigelboy

    Japan has beefs with many of its Asian neighbors but there are only two countries that are constantly having protests over Japan.

    Your first part of the sentence is incorrect.

    I know what you are trying to say but China's anti-Japan protests are nothing new considering the fact that I believe China's Communist Party will hold their Party election this fall. What they're basically doing is to appease their own population that their country is strong while at the same time, there are still outside forces (Japan, U.S.) who are preventing them from prospering. This is nothing new because history has shown that they escalate this when the CCP Party election is near.

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    hatsoff

    What China did in other areas has nothing to do with it and is nothing really new, is it?

    To the contrary, I'd say what China did has everything to do with it. If China is willing to physically grab and build infrastructure on disputed islands, why would anyone imagine they're going to stop at just one?

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    sandiegoluv

    No, I am not incorrect at all. There are many Asian countries who have problems with Japan's past. But two of them are quite vociferous. The others are just trying to survive for the most part and don't have their own politics in order. If they did, they would be griping to. China and South Korea have openly fostered Japan bashing within their education system and have lied to their own people about many issues on this subject. No doubt at all. But so has Japan with its self-inflicted victim's complex and white washing over its history books about the war, of which we are also guilty of doing in the US and Europe with the exception of Germany, which makes its kids go to the concentration camps to see what it did and even punishes those who disagree with its version of history.

    Yes, of course there is a direct correlation with China's Communist Party Elections this fall and the activist visiting the islands. No doubt. Just using that in order to guide people away from some real pressing issues. Japan is also guilty of doing so, with allowing their own activists to land on the islands. They should have not been allowed to land anyway. All of what you say, except for the part that I disagree with are true.

    But Japanese politicians are aware of these things. They were very short-sighted, or I should say, Maehara was very short-sighted with opening his mouth and stating what he did. Everyone knows that China uses the issue to divert attention, so shut up until after the election at least.

    Hatsoff - I am not saying that that is not what China would do, but Senakau is unlike Sansha, and would be noticed globally because Japan would raise a huge stink over it. China is sneaky. They don't want to attract too much attention. What I actually meant to say was that the situations were different. What China has done with other places has nothing to do with Senkaku, because it would have been handled differently if some people would have shut up. But I personally believe that Maehara's comment have put the Chinese in a bit of a bind on what to do and may have escalated the situation to where if they do have the means, they will take it.

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    Tiger_In_The_Hermitage

    @CrazyJoe Why is the Chinese Communist Party the enemy of Chinese?

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    Elbuda Mexicano

    I am with Hoang!

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    YuriOtani

    These demonstrators were yelling "death to Japan", it would be best for Japanese people not to live in or visit China. Am sure the images released are tame to all of the images. Just think living in a place where you are hated for the actions of your ancestors. Yes these were very bad people got around to reading "The Rape of Nanking". Urp! No reason to believe it was made up.

    So we move forward to the present and the so called "nationalists". Most of them it is a hobby and they dream about the "glory" of Japans past. Think they ride around in the vans because they are too drunk to walk. All the current Chinese see is a very small part of the population. They are taught to hate us and god knows what would happen if Chinese troops landed in Japan. Most Japanese do not have the time to give it a lot of thought. They do see the angry Chinese on TV and through that taught to fear them.

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