China cleans up after anti-Japan protests

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  • 0

    rogoteye

    Too little too late.

  • 8

    edojin

    Back to normal ... until next year.

    But ... the Chinese government can't allow too many wild demonstrations like the ones held against Japan. If things turn sour the demonstrators could just as easily vent their frustrations at the Chinese government. And the leaders surely don't want this to happen ... especially on such a large scale.

    As for the Senkakus ... the dispute over who owns what goes on ...

  • 17

    Altruist777

    It won't be back to normal. Not only Japanese businesses, but major foreign companies will assess their current, or future , operations in China. Risk rating for China has deteriorated significantly.

  • 8

    KariHaruka

    Everything shall calm down again and the Chinese shall continue to be oppressed by their government.

    I agree with Altruist that Japanese and major foreign companies will re assess their operations within China. We could easily move to another country if needed and remember Japan have recently found rare earths in one of their territories.

  • 6

    gogogo

    The Chinese government has decided to put a stop to it.

  • 8

    titaniumdioxide

    Everybody is kung-fu cleaning Those idiots were fast as lightning In fact it was a little bit FRIGHTING For they fought with bottle throwing

  • -16

    HansNFranz

    More than China's image in the Western world, which has always been bad, Japan will suffer even more over this. East Asia is now an unstable region, mainly thanks to Ishihara and his trickery. It doesn't matter if Japan thinks it is a better country than China. Enough damage to Japan's reputation has been done to drive investments and opportunities to free, peaceful places.

  • 12

    KariHaruka

    East Asia is now an unstable region, mainly thanks to Ishihara and his trickery.

    Urm how is Ishihara to blame for Tibet, Mongolia, Philippines, North Korea etc?

    Japan isn't a free and peaceful place? Have you even been to Japan to make that judgement?

  • 12

    BlingBlingNicky

    Spot on with that one! Completely agree.

    I have only one question for the China lovers - Apart from making cheap stuff, what good is China doing around the world right now?

  • 8

    titaniumdioxide

    I have only one question for the China lovers - Apart from making cheap stuff, what good is China doing around the world right now?

    They supply rare earth minerals and core materials for manufacturing ,like delivering high uranium ores for North Korea's nuclear weaponry.

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    smithinjapan

    Let's hope they clean up their act as well. China has every single right to protest, but doing it the way they have done hasn't helped their cause a whole lot.

  • -7

    efisher

    Without China, Asia couldn't stand against the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997.

  • -6

    efisher

    If people think products made by China is cheap, they have a choice not to buy it. Are they saying people buying those product are cheap?

    • Moderator

      Back on topic please.

  • 11

    JoeBigs

    Time for every civilized nation to move their busnisses out of China.

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    kwatt

    Let's hope they clean up their act as well. China has every single right to protest, but doing it the way they have done hasn't helped their cause a whole lot.

    And in addition Chinese government officially said that it will pay for all damages that protesters made over week.

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    kwatt

    Time for every civilized nation to move their busnisses out of China.

    Most companies are already thinking about it seriously. They are gradually moving out of China, but not very soon. Some companies stay there and some will be out sooner or later. The reason is no doubt that such riots happen again and again in the future for sure.

  • 0

    Hideki Teshima

    Good job, For the Chinese commies for organizing such a grand show... But shows over! Japan dosent have to say anything over that. One day of closed factories is a powerful message...easy win for Japan!

  • 2

    tokyo-star

    And in addition Chinese government officially said that it will pay for all damages that protesters made over week.

    Are you sure? Japanese news is quoting Chinese sources as saying that "Japan is solely to blame for all damage", at least on the TV that I have been watching today...

  • -4

    mikediab

    @kariharuka

    East Asia is now an unstable region, mainly thanks to Ishihara and his trickery.

    Urm how is Ishihara to blame for Tibet, Mongolia, Philippines, North Korea etc?

    Japan isn't a free and peaceful place? Have you even been to Japan to make that judgement?

    why tibet, Mongolia, Philippines, North Korea are relevant to Senkaku conflict is beyond me. But why I should be surprised, common sense isn't so common in japan nowadays. East asia is definitely unstable and mainly thanks to the lack of common sense in this country (Japan). It's amazing what an old bigot like Ishihara can cause.

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    Crazedinjapan

    Great job China ! World has had the opportunity to watch how their possible investments inside of China won't be protected by deviant demonstrators.

    What a embarrassing display of social political behavior ...look for new risk assessment in terms of starting any production facilities or keeping the ones they have there open.

    With the cost of labor rising in China coupled with the higher cost of bulk oil ,it's almost cheaper to move back to Mexico production or South America.

    All over a few islands that have resouces around them. Just another land grab by China nothing surprising they've been at this for decades with other countries.

    Wait until the people rebel and fight for human rights and freedom from censorship....we all can watch them go up in smoke then.

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    kwatt

    Are you sure? Japanese news is quoting Chinese sources as saying that "Japan is solely to blame for all damage", at least on the TV that I have been watching today...

    @tokyo-star

    I don't know the Chinese name of the official press man at the briefing room. He said so there. China will pay for all damages. China would have to compensate it as long as it is a member of international communities.

  • 2

    GW

    China will be paying a lot for this stupid idiotic behavior!

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    KariHaruka

    why tibet, Mongolia, Philippines, North Korea are relevant to Senkaku conflict is beyond me. But why I should be surprised, common sense isn't so common in japan nowadays. East asia is definitely unstable and mainly thanks to the lack of common sense in this country (Japan). It's amazing what an old bigot like Ishihara can cause.

    If you want to talk about common sense I think you ought to look at your post before commenting on others. The post I replied to was regarding the Far East not the Senkaku Islands. I was talking about all the territorial disputes that China seems to be having with other countries besides Japan. Therefore the instability currently going on isn't all down to Ishihara and Japan.

  • 7

    Crazedinjapan

    I have a question ... The people on here that are pro China do you live in Japan?? Surely you must be Chinese or living outside Japan to make such derogatory comments concerning Ishihara san. These islands, there are many Japanese people that I have spoken to and all of them say two things . Chinese behavior is shockingly idiotic and rude. Second everyone believes these islands belong to Japan. To those Japan basher's I really hope you don't live here ...If you do ...leave. If you are here all of you are a bunch of hypocrites mooching off Japan's hospitality to make a dollar . "when in Rome" . Japan has handled all of this drama with dignity and patience. I liken it to a old person watching a child (china) throw a tantrum....thinking is this the future ???

  • -8

    HansNFranz

    @KariHaruka Not all the instability is due to Japan, but a good part of it - and that's the reason Japan's image has taken damage in this. I know Japan (where I live since years, but thank God, not much longer) does think the Western countries are its friends, but that is not true anymore. Japan is seen as a troublemaker in East Asia now, and no country will help a trouble maker make more trouble. China has always had a bad image, due to Tibet and other problems, but Japan should realise that people like Ishihara and Hashimoto will worsen the relations to the former allies of Japan and because China is economically more important now, countries will prefer getting on China's side. Tell me one reason why the Western world should still support and defend Japan, if it it doesn't reverse its nationalist and xenophobic policies? What has Japan ever done for their allies in the last few decades? Nothing comes to mind.

  • 0

    Saul Schimek

    and the situation continues to get worse..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/9551727/Beijing-hints-at-bond-attack-on-Japan.html

  • -10

    HansNFranz

    @Crazedinjapan I am German, I live in Japan. I have no connections to China at all. Don't count on Germany being a friend of Japan anymore. In Germany, people like Ishihara and Hashimoto would be prosecuted and treated like the thugs they are.

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    KariHaruka

    What has Japan ever done for their allies in the last few decades? Nothing comes to mind.

    Advancement in technology? Well built and reliable cars? Giving support during natural disasters such as earthquakes? If Japan is so hated then why did they receive so much aid and support after the tragedy that struck last year?

  • 2

    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    The damage to several Japanese companies and factories is done. The cost will be higher than just paying for the physical damages, but also includes the damage to business relationships, confidence, and security. Expect companies to relocate to better environs.

  • -9

    whiskeysour

    **Japan owns thousands upon thousands of islands !!!!!! ** OVER 3 THOUSAND ISLANDS

    Small islands- There are over 3,000 small islands that make up Japan.

    Give the island up !!!!!!!

    Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_large_and_small_islands_is_Japan_made_up_of#ixzz26uoEcvxb

  • -1

    Nhan Thai

    china is too proud that it is super power balloon because the us secretly blows china balloon up , as a result that is hard to stop china to be aggressive of bullying and taking others ' land . china has already taken land from most of its neighbors , and there is none of claimer to take action to get the loss land back , there4 china thinks of its self is super power so if it can takes more from others then there should be no one dare to fight back , and why do not it try ? it would be fair to encourage china to start war for its dreaming land , then we can see how super power china is . LET GIVE CHINA A CHANCE TO BE IDIOT SUPER CHINA , lol

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    KariHaruka

    **Japan owns thousands upon thousands of islands !!!!!! ** OVER 3 THOUSAND ISLANDS

    Small islands- There are over 3,000 small islands that make up Japan.

    Give the island up !!!!!!!

    Of course because China is such a small country....

  • 5

    Virtuoso

    Man, the whole past week was positively Orwellian. The CPC pushes a button, and you've got instant 2-minute hate sessions (more like 2-hours) fling eggs and other brickbats. It pushes a button again, and it immediately stops, like someone pulled the power cord out of the socket. And China expects the world to believe that its citizens have righteously risen up in patriotic indignation? Gimme a break! The whole thing was one big dog and pony show. China seems to have forgotten the famous proverb used to describe self-destructive behavior that goes 搬起石头砸自己的脚 (lifting a stone only to drop it on one's own foot).

  • -4

    Tom Webb

    Maybe the PRC should land it military on the islands and see what happens.

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    AU_user_since_1998

    In Japan, it has been normal ever since. Last week and this week, when I went to a KouMinKan (city-halls/public-halls), there are still regular numbers of newcomers from China and Korea studying 2-hour per day Nihongo class from Japanese Volunteers.

    Japanese volunteers are so kind to every nationality be it from China, Korea, Zimbabwe, Mexico, Chile, Philippines, Indonesia etc.

  • -1

    Crazedinjapan

    @HanzNFranz....I would think someone from Germany would not mention the words prosecution and thugs at all let alone in the same sentence.

    The two politicians are doing a job to the best of their capabilities and so far none of them have committed any heinous crimes agains humanity.

    They are staking their claims for islands they believe are rightfully theirs. Japan has offered legal routing for resolving the island crisis ...China thinks they are above letting the legal world and thinks they can bully their way through this ....that would be comparitive to being a Thug.

  • 0

    darknuts

    Congratulations china! You've wrecked your country and have nothing to show for it. now you get to clean it up. Until next year... :)

  • -5

    chucky3176

    It won't be back to normal. Not only Japanese businesses, but major foreign companies will assess their current, or future , operations in China. Risk rating for China has deteriorated significantly.

    Don't be so sure. As long as there are profits to make, cheap labor to use, multi national companies will continue to do business. Who the hell cares what pro Japanese think about China damaging their own business?

  • 7

    freakashow

    Don't be so sure. As long as there are profits to make, cheap labor to use, multi national companies will continue to do business. Who the hell cares what pro Japanese think about China damaging their own business?

    But I'm sure companies from all over the world will be thinking twice about doing business with China, since China has proven that its people can turn violent at anytime if needed and if provoked, and the government won't do a thing about it. If say an American were to make a bad remark about Chinese people there could be hell to pay for their factories there. And who would want the possibility of their workers walking out to spend days protesting? There could be a lot of money lost.

  • -7

    mano2012

    But I'm sure companies from all over the world will be thinking twice about doing business with China, since China has proven that its people can turn violent at anytime if needed and if provoked, and the government won't do a thing about it. If say an American were to make a bad remark about Chinese people there could be hell to pay for their factories there. And who would want the possibility of their workers walking out to spend days protesting? There could be a lot of money lost.

    You are putting things out of context. These demonstrations have everythign to do with the brutality of Japan pre and during ww2, adn the fact that Japan/Noda is trying to deny its Surrender conditions in the treaties reignite the wounds of the ww2. Many foreign investors have been in China for decades, including USA, tell me or give me some examples if any US companies have been attacked over these years when you have seen China and US had many spats over many issues. None.

  • 5

    SamuraiBlue

    mano2012

    You are putting things out of context.

    Talk about putting out of context.

    WW2??

    It's nearly a century since it had been over. How many really been through it even as a kid??

    I had heard horror stories as a KID kid from my parents and I am close to 50.

    Get a life, will you.

  • 3

    thywillbedone

    Is it possible Chinese mobs are taking a break making their dirty polluted country more dirty? What's going on? I was enjoying watching it. It's what we come to expect from China, and what they do so well. Bring back the mobs please. Don't disappoint us.

  • -5

    mano2012

    Talk about putting out of context. WW2?? It's nearly a century since it had been over. How many really been through it even as a kid?? I had heard horror stories as a KID kid from my parents and I am close to 50. Get a life, will you.

    You are not facing the reality. Dont u get it with the demonstrations and their banners and what they are saying. You are still in DENIAL that Noda/Japan is doing by Buying the islands is to reject Japan surrender treaties! In other words, to show Japan's arrogance.

    and dont forget to repeat what you posted just now and tell that to the many elderly women in Korea and Southeast asia who are still ALIVE today and have been protesting all these recent years.

    It is Japan that is trying to live in the past! You must be blind not to see it.

  • -5

    mano2012

    @SamuraiBlue

    Let me tell you how the world views this current problem: Many ppl in Asia, even though they are not sure where China is heading to, but they see Japan's arrogance in this current situation. This reminds them of the Japan's pre and during ww2 brutality in Asia, and it will not bode well for Japan. Same for ppl in the US, they still dont like Japan very much, and you can go to the US and ask them about it, they will tell you about the Pearl Harbor. All in all, this whole thing is really Bad for Japan.

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    SamuraiBlue

    Let me tell you how the world views this current problem: Many ppl in Asia, even though they are not sure where China is heading to, but they see PRC's arrogance in this current situation.

    I fixed your typo.LOL

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    nigelboy

    Many ppl in Asia, even though they are not sure where China is heading to, but they see Japan's arrogance in this current situation.

    Only in China and Korea where media is censored. Nice try though.

  • -7

    mano2012

    Let me tell u: Mukden incident. Google: three Alls, about the Japan's 3 Alls brutality. Thats how dirty Japan was decades ago, and still trying to play the same tricks. The Asian ppl can see that, same for the American ppl.

  • 5

    kwatt

    It is very amazing that violent protesters really did stop protesting at once when the government said "Stop to protest" through internet, because thousands of people received the emails from the government. It is no doubt that the government always orchestrate to let protesters make riots on streets. This is very interesting. When government said "Protest", then people will go protest. When it said "Stop", then people will stop to protest. This is really amazing. They are acting like robot. I've seen similar SF movie like this.

  • 5

    Yosuke Murase

    I would like to ask mano2012 something. Do you know how much Japan has given ODA China so far? If you dont know, google. Do you believe most of chinese peaple know about the amount?

  • 5

    kwatt

    Most of them don't know about ODA and some of them think ODA is a part of compensation of the war crime. So they don't appreciate it at all.

  • 3

    Yosuke Murase

    British intelligence reported the real culprit of Mukden incident was Soviet, not Japan. Soviet documents said the same thing. The fact has been found in late years.

  • 6

    OssanAmerica

    mano2012Sep. 20, 2012 - 01:25AM JST Let me tell you. You are blind not to Understand & see how ppl are seeing Japan today. As I said, in the US , in this >2012, most Americans do not like Japan, they still remember the Pearl Harbor and until today they NEVER trust >Japan.

    Well sitting here in the Unittd Startes I can you that's total nonsense. Most Americans either like Japan, or don;t care on way one the other. Oh sure there may be some 80/90 year old WWII veteans whjo don't, but there are just as many veterans who do, or don't care. Americans have become used to Japanese cars and produxcts, with a reputation for high quality. We ridicule Chinese productys as cheap at best and dangerous at worst. The vast majority of Americans grew up with Red China as the enemy alongwith the evil Soviets. China's current behavior in Asia isn't helping dminish that image. Americans trust Japan by 100 to 1 over China, especially since China is our strategic adversary, not our ally.

    And even though Japan is trading with Many asian countries, they do not really trust Japan.

    THey all trust Japan far more than China. When earthquakes and Tsunami disasyter relief is needed, southeast Asianm nations welcome the US Navvy ad Marines well as trhe JSDF. But NOBODY wants the Chinese PLA on their soil.

  • -5

    mano2012

    Well sitting here in the Unittd Startes I can you that's total nonsense. Most Americans either like Japan, or don;t care on way one the other. Oh sure there may be some 80/90 year old WWII veteans whjo don't, but there are just as many veterans who do, or don't care. Americans have become used to Japanese cars and produxcts, with a reputation for high quality. We ridicule Chinese productys as cheap at best and dangerous at worst. The vast majority of Americans grew up with Red China as the enemy alongwith the evil Soviets. China's current behavior in Asia isn't helping dminish that image. Americans trust Japan by 100 to 1 over China, especially since China is our strategic adversary, not our ally.

    Thats one opinion. The majority of Americans do not TRUST japan. Read what i posted: it is about TRUST. They know japan are sneaky and cannot be trusted!

    As to the disaster aid, did China ever ask to send its PLA? u got to be kidding me! Where were u? didnt u see the tv news all over the world? China sent its volunteers all over those countries and they were welcomed.

  • 0

    Iowan

    More like the "This-is-our-once-in-a-decade-chance-to-protest-without-being-arrested" protest. It may happen to be under the banner of "Change your ways Japan" but I suspect they were not all protesting Japan.

  • -6

    mano2012

    @OssanAmerica

    You are confusing btw historical facts of japanese brutality and Geopolitics. The reasons there is always some tension btw China and the US, it is because China is still considered as a communist state. Secondly, any big country that is considered as a threat to US superpower status is not like by Americans. Read the history of USSR and USA cold war. Russia is still strong but less dominant, and China is naturally emerging, and that is a threat to American's superpower status. Thats geopolitics that will exist forever!

  • 3

    kwatt

    The majority of Americans do not TRUST japan

    I have been in the US for many years. At the time I was working to help Japanese high school students to Homestay program all over the States. All American families welcomed all Japanese students very much to their homes with free of charge for one year, of course without any discrimination against and anything racial about Japanese.

  • -8

    mano2012

    read what i posted. I never said they dont like japanESE. I said they dont TRUST Japan - they may not tell you directly, but if there is a journalist or a poll that asks them directly, tehy will asnwer: No!

  • 5

    darknuts

    @mano

    You're diluted. You have nothing to base this off of. America and Japan have been close allies for about 70 years. We provided most of the aid to Japan during the tsunami. Unlike some countries, we are mature enough to put Japan's past brutality behind us.

  • -2

    Guru29

    Most of them don't know about ODA and some of them think ODA is a part of compensation of the war crime.

    Japan did provide some ODA or low interest loans to China and S Korea but insisted that they were not indemnity. The reason being that Japan did not see any need to pay indemnity since Japan did not do any wrong in the 50 years of invasion/ looting of China and Korea in the first place.

    As to the reason why Japan found it so hard to admit its war crimes, let me ask you just one simple question. Do you think Germany would have admitted the war crimes committed by the Nazis if Hitler or his right hand men got to regain control over Germany after WWII and get themselves jailed? Unlikely right? Now, that is exactly what had happened in Japan. Shortly after the war, the Japanese war criminals and the people who brought Japan to war regained control over Japan for many more decades to come through the LDP, a political party founded by the fascists, WWII criminals and Yakuza godfathers with the money that they looted from China and Korea.

    If you are interested to know more about this issue, I will recommend you to read the following articles.

    http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp11.html

    America's Favorite War Criminal: Kishi Nobusuke and the Transformation of U.S.-Japan Relations

    http://digitalcommons.law.ggu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=annlsurvey

    Yakuza: The Warlords of Japanese Organized Crime

    Pg 13-14

  • -4

    mano2012

    @guru29.

    Excellent points and facts. Thanks for the post and links!

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    Yosuke Murase

    @mano2012 I was talking about information cotrol in China. Do you believe that most of Chinese people know that surppressing the protesters who asked for independence with force by China gvnt in Tibet and Uighur? what do you think of them?

    Surely I know about First Sino-Japanese War, whichi is written on our history textbooks. China paid because China lost the war. Japan gave ODA without forcing. I, as a contemporary person think the country which started war is completely wrong. But I believe the common sense in that era was different from that of nowadays.

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    nigelboy

    Japan did provide some ODA or low interest loans to China and S Korea but insisted that they were not indemnity. The reason being that Japan did not see any need to pay indemnity since Japan did not do any wrong in the 50 years of invasion/ looting of China and Korea in the first place.

    Well. It's not customary to pay indemnity for war damage and former colonies (U.S., U.K. Germany, Netherlands) after WWII and since PRC waived the compensation, what Japan did was simply out of goodwill then. We can play that angle if you'd like.

    Haven't got a clue as how much monetary damage these riots have caused both China and Japan but thanks to the internet, we can safely assume that China really hasn't progressed as a civilization that much that's for sure. And with the latest figure showing a already decreasing FDI into China, these events certainly put an end to those firms (European, U.S., and especially Japan) who had second thoughts about going to China.

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    Guru29

    Thanks for the post and links!

    Thanks mano. Perhaps, you might also find the following articles interesting.

    http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp78.html

    A Just Peace? The 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty in Historical Perspective

    http://www.russojapanesewar.com/dragons.html

    The "BlacK Dragon" Statement of Japanese policy in China (1914)

  • -3

    Guru29

    these events certainly put an end to those firms (European, U.S., and especially Japan) who had second thoughts about going to China.

    Japanese firms perhaps but not others. And the Korean firms and Taiwanese firms will be most eager to fill up the vacuum. The only thing that we can be sure of is that sales of Japanese goods will continue to decline.

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    sfjp330

    The violent outbursts will probably backfire on China. With the world economy struggling, damage has already been done. What is clear is that there will be a sharp downturn in business dealings between Japan and China. The Japanese companies will start looking at the options to reconsider the risks in business in China and accerate in diversify toward Southeast Asia, South America and Africa. Problem is that Anti-Japanese sentiment has long existed in China, and authorities didn't do nothing to stop it but encouraged it to intentionally damage their businesses. The widespread destruction of Japanese businesses and the calls for boycotts are already taking a toll and Japanese in China now feel very insecure. But now, in the eyes of international community and the foreign companies that are operating inside China, who is right and who is wrong has become very ambiguous.

  • 2

    Marion Wm Steele

    I wish they could shake hands and talk with each other

  • 3

    Ryu-1inOH

    mano2012 is quite the professor :-) I won't pretend to teach anyone anything but just give a thought about what has been happening the past two years around me in the US. Japan has invested in a $2B plant 20 miles from here and most of the people employed are local. In the meantime dogs are dying eating food made in China and babies get poisoned drinking milk from somewhere in the same area. Suspicion? Maybe some old bigots yes...But look at recent polls. The majority here in the US consider China a threat.

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    Ryu-1inOH

    But now, in the eyes of international community and the foreign companies that are operating inside China, who is right and who is wrong has become very ambiguous.

    Tell the French that. Their supermarkets got the same treatment four years ago because the French government spoke out in defense of Tibet. Agreeing to disagree is obviously not part of Chinese vocabulary and international businesses will find it increasingly risky to just sit there and wait for communism in China to collapse.

  • 0

    oberst

    Seriously, over 20 yrs of stalled economy, low birth-rate, ageing population. Not to mention the energy crisis .............. the center of economic gravity has clearly shifted to china and S Korea.\ Japan needs to get her priority straight instead of all this " nationalistic " sabre dance.......................

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    sfjp330

    The reports of the riots in China relied heavily on Chinese media sources, few, if any of those reports mentioned that these same state media are regarded as propaganda tools and all coverage serves the regimes political interests. Most of the media just show Chinese side, take the Chinese media’s pictures and photos. They don’t show any pictures of how extensive the damages to the Japanese businesses. They don’t say anything about theses businesses, or what happened. They just say the Justice is on China’s side. The Chinese have everything and the Chinese blocked the information and we really don’t know what is happening. For International community to take words coming out of the Chinese media, such as CCTV as facts, they should be cautious about that because it is always prejudiced and one-sided.

  • 0

    tchanglee

    I don't believe there will be any end to this saga. Putting all claims & counter claims asides, probably both sides should come together & have a joint development of the island. God created the islands. Who are they to claim it is theirs only?

  • 4

    OssanAmerica

    mano2012Sep. 20, 2012 - 01:45AM JST

    Thats one opinion. The majority of Americans do not TRUST japan. Read what i posted: it is about TRUST. They >know japan are sneaky and cannot be trusted!

    That's incorrect. Or are you living in 1942? Americans don't trust China, that;'s a reality. Why do you think the U.S. has a stratigic alliamce with Australia and Japan? Who shot down our recon plane in 2001 and srnt it back in parts? Who is he biggest threat to Asia nations and why the US is supporting them? Please don't post pure nonsense. At least be honest like the PLA generals.

    As to the disaster aid, did China ever ask to send its PLA? u got to be kidding me! Where were u? didnt u see the tv >news all over the world? China sent its volunteers all over those countries and they were welcomed.

    Nope.

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    OssanAmerica

    mano2012Sep. 20, 2012 - 01:51AM JST @OssanAmerica You are confusing btw historical facts of japanese brutality and Geopolitics. The reasons there is always some >tension btw China and the US, it is because China is still considered as a communist state.

    I'm not confusing anything Mano, Take my word for it Americans do not trust China because it is an authoritarian state that throwsd its citizens into prison for advbivcating "democracy". China has no regard for human rights. China has declared their intent to take control over the EAst and South China Seas, at the expense of their smaller Asian neighbors. China has openly declared their intent to replace U.S. strategic dominance in the region. That China is "communist" is secondary to the fact that China is a "bully". I can assure you Americans trust Japan, a US Ally, a thoiusand times more than China. Take my word for it.

    Secondly, any big country that is considered as a threat to US superpower status is not like by Americans. Read the >history of USSR and USA cold war. Russia is still strong but less dominant, and China is naturally emerging, and >that is a threat to American's superpower status. Thats geopolitics that will exist forever!

    Americans do not like big bullies. Historivally the Uniyted States has aklways supported the weaker countries from aggession. Think hard why the United States supported Chiang Kai Shek and rthe Republic of CHina in the 1930s.

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    " Thats one opinion. The majority of Americans do not TRUST japan."

    mano, that sounds like the propoganda coming from your communist party, but has no relation to reality. Do you really think you speak for the majority of Americans ?

    The ugliness of the jaded tiger was revealed for the world to see last week in a very Orwellian manner.

    The several manufacturers that I work with were already looking ro relocate OUT of china before the orchestrated rioting. Now, some have decided to move operations to more stable places like Malaysia, Philippines, and some domestically.

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    ZenFreak

    To you sissy guys/gals talk on leaving china. If japan never left china japan is not in this situation tody. china will not become communist and japan is still rule over china. All asia happy. So do not leave china. We still have chance to rule.

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    Zenpun

    @Herve Nmn L'EisaSep. 20, 2012 - 11:20AM JST

    The several manufacturers that I work with were already looking ro relocate OUT of china before the orchestrated rioting. Now, some have decided to move operations to more stable places like Malaysia, Philippines, and some domestically.

    You might be joking or you come from another planet! Not for German manufacturers like Seman, Sthil, BMW, Schreinithder and Mile. For German manufacturers, China was a largest market for their export. At the moment, US and Europe demand are very weak. When PM Merkel visited China she brought her army of German business associates. German business are very happy about Japanese business withdrawl. It is an God send opportunity for making big bucks with 1.3 billions consumers. German export to China worth 85 billions Euro now. Chinese consumer like German hardware such as Chain saw and drill machines.

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    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    Zenpun, if you read more carefully you'll see I was talking about foreign manufacturers leaving china as a manufacturing location, not as an export destination. Relocation of manufacturing facilities out of china.

    Sell whatever you want there. Prop up the Euro on the chinese economy.

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    Virtuoso

    Here's an apt remark from this evening's Tokyo Sports: 弱い犬ほどよく吠える Yowai inu hodo yoku hoeru -- a barking dog never bites.

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    Zenpun

    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    Have you been to China before? Have you worked in famous German company before?If we export BMW from Germany, it will be very expensive for Chinese! All German high ends products are assembled in China. Engine, Motor, Battery will come from Germany! End User products are assembled in China Some non major components are sourced from Chinese sub contractors.. It is also true for Aldi Germany Supermarket chain who is sourcing from China. Without China supply, Aldi can not sell their goods cheaply for world wide market!

    I understand your logic of manufacturers will want to move else where for stability and peaceful environment. The problem is China control the 90% of manufacturing raw materials and components. For example , Raw earth, long lasting Lithium battery, Steel, copper conductor, heat sinks, ball bearing, washers, plastic and safety wear1 Without China supply of materials and components, Bosh can not make the cordless lawn trimmer. Bauhn can not make TV or Blu ray player! Miele can not make dishwasher! Siemens can not make their electronic products too.

    German electronics is not popular like Japanese. There are not many German r electronics are best sellers in China. If China boycott Japanese goods, It will be a boom time for German manufacturers. Japanese Inc may go else where. For German, China is not only the largest growing market, it is also supply chain of their manufacturing goods.

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    Zenpun

    @Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    Some manufacturers have already moved to Bangladesh, Philippines, Malaysia and Domestically. It is absolutely true however they will concern not only about stability but also productivity. If combine output of those nations is lower than China, it will not making much profits. Masses manufactured goods with efficiency will cut down the overall input cost of business. It is the way of Mercedes, BMW and Volkswagen lifting the competitiveness of their expensive brands. If those manufacturers are losing money, they will move somewhere again for restructuring of business!

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    kiyoshiMukai

    For sure any new plant will be made elsewere. "not that it wasnt already happening"

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    kiyoshiMukai

    This is so sad. Poor 500 million chinese babies will eat less cause japan will withdraw their factories.

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    Athletes

    kiyoshiMukaiSep. 20, 2012 - 11:04PM JST

    This is so sad. Poor 500 million chinese babies will eat less cause japan will withdraw their factories.

    Do you know China is largest Japan export market? For China, Japan is fourth largest export market. Japan has been recession since 1991. Japan government like Greek government has huge debt. One difference is J government owe the debt to citizens. Japan has higher level of homeless, unemployment and sucide rate than China. I am not a China fan. If I compare the economy, national saving and consumer confidence, China is stronger than Japn.

    China can survive without Japan market. Japan will struggle to find the another huge market like China. Only India is alternative to China. However India is still far away from becoming explosive market like China. Their infrastructure is backward. They have more protection to local industry too.

    Japan needs China more than other way around!

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    JTDanMan

    So, the C government turned of the nationalist spigot and shut down the protests. That raises two questions:

    1. Since they can turn it off, what, if anything, does that say about whether they turned it on?

    2. Chinese protestors are ever willing and eager to run around and shout hatred toward Japan and the US. Recall the protests back in '05, I think it was, against Japan, and in the wake of the Embassy Bombing in Serbia towards the US back in the 90s. The reason for this willingness, it is sometimes observed, is that such unabashed street anger is the ONLY way to express anger and frustration in public in China.

    Kinda like Orwell's Three Minutes of Hate.

    If this is so, then obviously the Chinese government has some problems. The longer the people hang out screaming in the streets and defacing/destroying property, the sooner they might realize the real reason they are so pissed off has nothing to do with Japan, WWII or the US. It has everything to do with being poor and having no redress with their government to change that.

    And that explains why why these Three Days of Hate get shut down as quickly as they 'erupt.'

    So, what happens when the government can't control the protests, and they turn into the mob? That will be a interesting time...

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