Endangered whale meat imported from Iceland used for Japan dog treats: NGOs

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  • 9

    Yubaru

    Where is Sea Shepherd? Where is the international outrage at Iceland?

  • 7

    Jimizo

    Selling meat from an endangered species to nouveau riche idiots as a treat for pampered dogs. 'Dogs are like family members'? Not surprising, these idiots probably converse with their pets at a similar intellectual level.

  • 14

    zichi

    Disgusting really that whale meat is used for doggie's posh dinner. It don't even know what it eats. Decadence go mad!

  • 0

    mikihouse

    kill endangered species to feed their family member...how touching...stupidity knows no bounds eh Taro san?

  • 7

    Martine Müller

    disgusting

  • 0

    buggerlugs

    Why doesn't Japan use some of its UNSOLD, FROZEN whale meat to feed pooches? What was the point in killing those whales if the selfish...er...people are just going to import.

  • 6

    cleo

    What was the point in killing those whales

    Same point there is in killing any animal to sell. Profit.

    And No, that doesn't make it alright. Far from it.

    I had a look at the Michinoku Farm hp. Its customers are probably the kind of folk who put diamante collars and fur jackets on their dogs and carry them around in little bags.

    Dogs should be treated as dogs ie with a bit of dignity, and endangered species should be treated as endangered species, ie left alone.

  • -1

    EastAsiaForeigner

    All the whale meat should be consumed by the people of Japan. Why do you hunt whales for your pets. Seriously?

    Next thing would be the chinese killing sharks for their fins to feed their livestock.

    How about tiger or panda hide for toilet paper?

  • 4

    Moonraker

    I suspect that those who treat dogs like accessories have no more real love for them than they do for the whales that will constitute their food. They are adornments for the shallow.

  • 1

    Crazedinjapan

    This is absolutely no different than the tones of whale meat Japan whalers caught that didn't get consumed by people. It ended up on a dogs dinner plate instead..all in the name of science

  • -2

    Thomas Anderson

    But he said the company will be withdrawing the jerky from sale.

    “Maybe I was ignorant of the debate (about whaling), but it’s not worth selling the product if it risks disturbing some people,” he said.

    Yes how can you not know that selling endangered species as dog food was a bad idea...

  • 5

    USNinJapan2

    kill endangered species to feed their family member...how touching...stupidity knows no bounds eh Taro san?

    I'm in total agreement with most of you that using the meat of an endangered species, let alone make dog treats out of it, is asinine.

  • -13

    Tom Webb

    China had it right the first time, they should get rid of dogs then you wont have things like making dog food out of endangered whales. The whole world should revolt and not buy ANY Japanese product until they quit this silly whale hunt.

  • -2

    SauloJpn

    Shameful!! Trying to move the topic from our own sad story of whaling by making other countries go after a pot of gold and not abandon this practice. As long as there are others doing the same, it is much easier to justify the atrocity. Otherwise there is no point in importing something we have plenty of! I wonder if they pay the same taxes as other meat importers...

  • -1

    konjo4u

    Animal husbandry. Whale farms. It is the future.

  • 1

    Yogi Zuna

    It is time for BOTH Iceland and Japan to give up whaling, which just makes them look bad and costs them tourist dollars.

  • 2

    FightingViking

    "Dogs are like family members for many people in Japan. We just wanted to sell a wide variety of food for dogs,"

    This is very true ! However, there is absolutely NO NEED to sacrifice another species of animal - as a "luxury titbit" no less - when there are plenty of different kinds of dog food to be had which are just as good for Fido's health.

  • 6

    zichi

    Icelandic's don't even want to eat whale meat, so its all exported.

  • 1

    CrazyJoe

    Whale jerky for dogs sounds very repulsive.

  • 7

    tkoind2

    Japan continues to do itself harm internationally with these idiotic whale related policies and actions. Well done Japan, way to raise the bar for your political prowess on the world stage. Sometimes I think Japanese leaders are inept in general. Other times I think they just don't care about much at all. How could this be allowed to happen? And why doesn't anyone see that this is harmful for Japan's own interests?

  • -5

    CH3CHO

    Is It illegal to hunt North Atlantic Fin Whales?

    Is it illegal to export or import meat of North Atlantic Fin Whales?

    Is it illegal to use whale meat of North Atlantic Fin Whales for dog food?

    It seems none of them is illegal. So, it seems no issue.

  • -7

    ultradarkmelvin

    Iceland exports fish to Japan too, so not sure what all this emotional outburst is by close minded people. Whales are just another fish for many, an abundant marine resource.

  • 6

    Maria

    Iceland exports fish to Japan too, so not sure what all this emotional outburst is by close minded people. Whales are just another fish for many, an abundant marine resource

    The problem is that these whales are not "abundant", they are on the endangered list - it says so tight there in the header.

    If they become extinct because of businesses like this, it'll be too late for outcry.

  • 0

    pizzatime

    that's the food chain for you!

  • -1

    letsberealistic

    @Yubaru

    Where is Sea Shepherd? Where is the international outrage at Iceland?

    Please check your assumptions before posting - I did. Sea Shephard and have been active in Iceland for many years. They sunk 2 whaling boats there in 1986.

  • -7

    WilliB

    So.... importing whale meat from Iceland for dog food is "research"? Or is it an "old Japanese tradition"? I am confused, somebody please clarify which it is...

  • 5

    tkoind2

    CH3CHO. That is the wrong attitude mate. Even if something is not illegal it can certainly be immoral and wrong.

    So just because you have claimed these actions with the whale meat are not illegal, you have entirely failed to justify them as either moral or acceptable.

    Nice try but the dirt in this behavior sticks to Japan and damages her global image. Something you had better learn to sort before Japan's economic and political influence weakens further.

  • 0

    dcog9065

    Well, a lot of normal meat is fairly bad for dogs, any type of raw meat, contrary to popular belief, is apparently incredibly bad for all dogs. If whale meat is nutritious and digestible without problems for dogs, then that's an improvement.

    However I don't think nature ever intended for dogs to ever get a taste for whale.

  • -10

    CH3CHO

    tkoind2, everyone has different values and belief. Something which is immoral in one religion may not be immoral in another religion. Keeping that in mind, what exactly is "immoral" about the dog food based on what belief?

  • 4

    zichi

    Whale meat isn't a natural food for dogs.

    Iceland and Norway don't lie about their whale hunting by pretending its research.

  • 5

    Crazedinjapan

    @CH3 I don't see how beliefs or religious values have anything to do with whalers hunting endangered species of whales in order to provide dog treats to rich dog owners. The whalers here in this article aren't hunting these whales based on religious values or cultural, it's purely for monetary gain at the expense of a threatened whale.

  • -1

    Elbuda Mexicano

    Iceland?? Those dirty, low down whale killers!! And selling it to rich Japanese dogs!! Or should I say to the rich dog owners in Japan?? Lets boycot Iceland now!! Hey Green Peace! Lets see you attack the whaling ships from Iceland!!

  • 0

    JoeBigs

    Sea Shepherd ole Sea Shepherd wherefore art thou?

    Wonder why they aren't sending their mighty fleet to fight against the Iceland's Whalers?

  • 5

    Disillusioned

    You will find a lot of endangered whale meat being sold in Japan. I saw a documentary last year and they found Blue Whale meat at Tsukiji markets. The whole thinks stinks! - No pun intend - As much as I totally despise Japan's whaling program I am a little nervous about the outcome of Australia's court case. If they rule against Japan's whaling it will put a lot more pressure on the already endangered North Pacific whales. Why can't Japan do the whole world a favor and grow up!

  • -4

    CH3CHO

    It seems the article is based on this news release by a group against the whale meat dog food.

    http://www.eia-international.org/iceland-is-killing-fin-whales-for-japanese-pet-treats

    Clare Perry, EIA senior campaigner, said: "It is grotesque that this Icelandic company is flouting two international conventions in order to feed endangered fin whales to pampered pets in Japan. In the face of such blatant disregard for species conservation and international agreements, internet retailers such as Rakuten need to take more responsibility for the sustainability and acceptability of the products they market, and should follow the example of Amazon and Google, which have banned the sale of all whale products in Japan."

    Does anyone know the conventions and agreements he is talking about?

  • -4

    ultradarkmelvin

    Maria

    The problem is that these whales are not "abundant", they are on the endangered list - it says so tight there in the header.

    If they become extinct because of businesses like this, it'll be too late for outcry.

    Taking 148 fin whales from a population of 119,000 pose no threat to the overall population.

  • 6

    zichi

    Only about 10% of people here are eating any whale meat, so the Japanese whaling industry is going to the dogs, and sometimes, even the cats.

  • 2

    Ranger_Miffy2

    “Dogs are like family members for many people in Japan. We just wanted to sell a wide variety of food for dogs,” he said. ........About as self-serving an idiotic statement as I have read in a long time.

    “Campaigners look at whales as important animals, but we consider dogs to be just as important,” he said. .......Campaigners are not out there hunting down packs of dogs for sale to whales.

    But he said the company will be withdrawing the jerky from sale. ......Because your soul-deprived company has been outed.

    “Maybe I was ignorant of the debate (about whaling), but it’s not worth selling the product if it risks disturbing some people,” he said. .........Maybe you were just hoping your product would escape notice and bring you a tidy little profit. Shame on you.

    That said, I was horrified to spot whale meat for sale from Iceland in my local grocery store. Haven't seen any FidoBits yet for sale, though.

    Sheesh.

  • 2

    tkoind2

    CH3CHO What is immoral is to help kill off a species so some spoiled dog can eat fancy food. I should not have to explain that simple morality to anyone.

  • -2

    Upgrayedd

    CH3CHO What is immoral is to help kill off a species so some spoiled dog can eat fancy food. I should not have to explain that simple morality to anyone.

    130 a year out of over 100,000 whales is not ever going to kill off a species. Wake me up when they start killing a thousand a year.

  • -6

    ultradarkmelvin

    Prices for a kilo of Icelandic whale meat range from 2000 to 4000 yen a kilo. 100 grams of beef cost around 300 yen at the local super market. Comparing the prices of whale meat to beef, whale meat is reasonable or about the same price as beef. It seems more like the good old close mindedness of some people who can´t get their heads around the fact that some people look at whales as food.

    http://www.iceland-whale.com/SHOP/M-H.html

  • -2

    davestrousers

    Whale meat isn't a natural food for dogs.

    "Natural" food for domesticated dogs is whatever we (humans) give them.

  • 3

    tkoind2

    This species is endangered. It is this exact kind of arrogance that has purged the world of so many species Upgrayedd.

    Even if the risk is modest, why take it? Why not seek out a non threatening solution? That should be common sense. But the decline of species on the planet is a clear sign that people would rather have dog food and other products than protect species and diversity on the planet. It is outright shameful behavior. One we will invariably pay for in the future.

    Humans never learn. And so we endanger ourselves by wholesale destroying everything we want to for our own convenience.

  • -2

    CH3CHO

    zichi, beef or pork is not natural food for dogs either. What should they eat? Rats?

  • 2

    Deplore

    "Natural" food for domesticated dogs is whatever we (humans) give them.

    I love how this comment got down-rated when it literally could not be more true.

  • 3

    tkoind2

    ultradarkmelvin. "ANTI-WHALING DRIVE IS A MIX OF ROMANTICISM AND RACISM."

    Your statement shows considerable ignorance of history. I will remind you that western civilization whaled for ages too. Back to the stone age era. Whale meat was used by nearly every ocean access society regardless of whether they were located in the east or west.

    As recently as 200 years ago whaling was a powerful commercial practice in much of the west.

    To insinuate that anti-whaling is somehow racist defies reason. Especially when you study history and discover that anti-whaling and the moratorium on this behavior was driven by concern for whale populations and the protection of species.

    I wish that you pro-whaling crowd would read more, study more and come to understand what is really at stake here. I am from the Northwest and our native populations have found a compromise to retain their culture of whaling while avoiding negative impact to species.

    This is also true of Tuna which Asian demand has also put into threat.

    The thing with all of this is simple, do you want your everything now, or do you want to protect the world for the future. The way I see it, the anti-environment, pro-whaling crowd is a "give me mine now" movement that chooses to ignore the reality that species need protection and that we cannot always put our desires and culture ahead of the well being of the planet.

    If this concern for the future of the world is "Romantic" then it shows just how far out of touch from reality humanity is as it wholesale destroys the very world it depends upon to live and survive.

  • 5

    Deplore

    If its endangered, there should be laws to prevent this. If it's not endangered, there's absolutely nothing wrong with whale meat.

  • 3

    SquidBert

    Fin whales are endangered, so they should not be a used as a food source (especially not a dog food source). The current hunting/slaughtering methods are inhumane. These are not methods worthy of a civilized people.

  • -1

    ultradarkmelvin

    To insinuate that anti-whaling is somehow racist defies reason. Especially when you study history and discover that anti-whaling and the moratorium on this behavior was driven by concern for whale populations and the protection of species.

    This is why Japan and Iceland agreed to stop hunting whales for a short period of time until they found out how many whales there were in the ocean. Once there was scientific evidence that some whales could be hunted, anti whale countries still opposed whale hunting. This is why IWC Sceintific Committee´s chairman Hammond resigned in protest.

    Japan gets criticized for hunting non endangered minke whales each year. Taking 2000 from a stock of 750,000 pose no threat. Neither does taking 150 from a stock of 119,000. People need to study science and marine management. And get the heads around the fact that some people look at whales as food.

  • -8

    mikihouse

    I consume whale meat. Its a good source of protein. I like eating fish. Go eat your burgers hypocrites.

  • 3

    SquidBert

    mikihouse, I am all for a balanced view. But last time I checked cows where not on the endangered species list?

  • 6

    zichi

    @CH3CHO

    zichi, beef or pork is not natural food for dogs either. What should they eat? Rats?

    Wild dogs hunt in packs for small land based animals. I don't believe they ever go fishing or whaling?

  • -5

    ultradarkmelvin

    Wild dogs hunt in packs for small land based animals. I don't believe they ever go fishing or whaling?

    Keeping dogs in the house or chained up and having a dog on a leash when going for a walk is not natural either. With your idea, I don´t think it is natural for humans to be living in cities with over a million people in an apartment building on the 20th floor.

    Inuits have a much more natural way of living a life, whatever it is you mean by natural. Close to nature perhaps? And they feed whale meat to their dogs.

  • -4

    davestrousers

    @zichi Are these luxury dog treats for wild pack-hunting dogs?

  • 5

    tkoind2

    mikihouse. I don't eat whale or beef. Whale because I am against whaling. Beef because production of beef is one of the greatest environmental damage sources out there especially in south American production.

    I also don't eat fish that are under threat.

    I try to eat what does not cause harm. Something a lot more people should be doing.

  • -5

    ihope2eatwhales

    NGOs are making fuss, as usual.

    Rather than waste scraps of meat, it is put to good use by business.

    What is wrong? NGOs complaint now results in potential wast of food for dogs. Instead, dog food must be produced of some other commodity instead. It is not good use of resources, e.g. it is LESS environmental, not more so.

    I have enjoyed Iceland whale meat from my supermarket, and it was cheap. I welcome it very much.

    Also, Iceland's fin whales are not endangered, it is recognized fact. Western media as usual does not report facts but propaganda of anti-whalers.

  • 3

    tkoind2

    If total stock of a species is down to a hundred thousand, that should be a concern. The question is not whether that 100,000 is enough, but what was the natural level of this species before we started killing them off.

  • -1

    SquidBert

    Also mikihouse, I forgot to say;

    if you like to eat fish as you say; may I suggest that you actually eat something from the class of Actinopterygii (fish) rather than something from the class of Mamnalia (rats, cows, pigs, dogs, humans whales .... you get the idea)

  • -2

    kiyoshiMukai

    There are many foods made from whales in Iceland, Thats why I wonder why do Sea shepard never attacks Icelandic whaling ships.

  • 2

    zichi

    The question is not whether that 100,000 is enough

    So if whales suffer some kind of disease and 50,000 die, then that's a major disaster, 50% killed. but if the natural number was 500,000 and 50,000 die from a disease then it would be much less of a disaster, 10%.

  • -7

    dcog9065

    First whale meat, then fish, then beef, then grains, until we're left with only moss and mushrooms.. The Vegan eco-terrorists don't know where to stop..

  • 6

    zichi

    @davestrousers

    zichi Are these luxury dog treats for wild pack-hunting dogs?

    I stand by my statement that whale meat isn't natural food for dogs.

  • -3

    kiyoshiMukai

    zichi. whales do not live i groups of 50,000

  • 3

    SquidBert

    @kiyoshiMukai,

    Thats why I wonder why do Sea shepard never attacks Icelandic whaling ships. Interesting question:

    Just two weeks ago in < http://www.icenews.is/2013/05/10/whale-hunting-to-resume-in-icelands-waters/>: One of the Icelandic comenters writes:

    Third Japan also hunts hundreds of whales in the North Pacific every year but that hunt has yet to be the subject of Sea Shepherds actions.

    So perhaps you are just not aware of each others plights?

    I think perhaps SS now has a strong focus on Japan, because the Japanese hunt takes place in ecologically sensitive waters far from its domestic waters.

  • 0

    wildwest

    Honestly Japan how low will you go? How about cooking up some of your own endangerd species like the Ibus, Can't you understand ?

  • -4

    dcog9065

    @SquidBert : Uh, you do know where the North Pacific is right? You also know where the Southern Ocean and Japan are I hope?

  • 6

    zichi

    The Japanese whaling industry has been morally and financially bankrupt for decades and only continues to survive because every year it receives ¥8 billion from the gov't. The industry employs less than 5,000 workers.

  • 2

    smithinjapan

    ultradarkmelvin: "Whales are just another fish for many, an abundant marine resource."

    I guess you missed the 'ENDANGERED' part, in the headline, as well as in the story itself. Not surprising.

  • -8

    CH3CHO

    zichi, so?

    If Japanese whalers were making a lot of money, you would blame them for making money. They lose money because commercial whaling is under moratorium. Do not blame them for they are not commercially profitable.

  • 3

    SquidBert

    @dcog9065, yes I am aware, what is your point?

  • 4

    KobeKid

    CH3CHO

    They lose money because commercial whaling is under moratorium.

    no they lose money because most people don't want to eat whale. I'm sure you are aware of the tons of frozen whale meat lying unsold in freezers? No demand. Now if you want to make the argument that the moratorium killed demand you might have a case. They are not commercially profitable because nobody buys it.

  • 4

    Thunderbird2

    Animal husbandry. Whale farms. It is the future.

    Ah, clearly someone who doesn't believe whales are intelligent... ALL whales should be left alone to get on with their lives.

    Iceland exports fish to Japan too, so not sure what all this emotional outburst is by close minded people. Whales are just another fish for many, an abundant marine resource.

    You ARE joking, right? Whales are a fish? You DO know that they are intelligent mammals don't you? The idea that everything on the planet is there to be used for ourselves is archaic to say the least. We share this planet with other intelligent beings - whales, great apes... oh, maybe you'd like to eat a Chimp?

  • 0

    Thomas Anderson

    I think defending whaling has become some sort of a religion for some.

  • -1

    SwissToni

    This demonstrably makes a nonsense of Japan's justification of maintaining its whaling industry on the basis of food security. The whalers have on many occasions presented the Wests past use of whale meat for dog food as wasteful of a precious resources. How does this look? I hope this evidence is presented at the ICJ.

  • -2

    budgie

    This is just an 'industry' propped up by nationalist gangster-politicians thumbing its nose at the civilized world.

    Maybe if Japan ended the self-defeating protectionism that plagues its agricultural sector - fisheries and whaling included - it would actually be able to produce and import food more efficiently and cost-effectively. Dog food and all.

  • 0

    LiveInTokyo

    The most likely reason for shops to sell the whale meat dog treat is to target affluent Japanese who want to show off their wealth with something different

    Pretty much sums up most of Japan in my opinion.

  • 0

    dcog9065

    @SquidBert : I meant that Japan gets attacked by Sea Shepherd in the Southern Ocean, not the North Pacific, so that article in Iceland would be referring to the fact that they are yet to be attacked in the North Pacific as opposed to the Southern. But yeah actually I get your logic as well, never mind.

  • -2

    Mike O'Brien

    Iceland, as allowed by the IWC regulations, objected to the moratorium (there is no 'ban') and thus is not required to adhere to the moratorium. No defying at all, just following the words of the treaty.

  • 2

    letsberealistic

    Deplore MAY. 29, 2013 - 01:43PM JST

    If its endangered, there should be laws to prevent this. If it's not endangered, there's absolutely nothing wrong with whale meat.

    So you're okay with killing a being that feels pain and fear slowly and painfully. We all know how hypocritical the human being is when it comes to valuing other species; but isn't it better to value at least some of them as other living creatures with just as much right to life as us?

    How long will our abuse and exploitation of the earth's environment do you and others expect? Is it going to continue for ever? I don't want to be a member of a species that exploits and purges all other species for own greedy means for eternity.

  • 1

    zichi

    Domesticated dogs and other animals have developed a range of disasters, including cancers and food allergies, which aren't found in wild creatures.

  • -7

    ihope2eatwhales

    Thomas Anderson,

    I think attack to culture of whale eating has become some sort of a religion for some.

    SwissToni,

    I hope this evidence is presented at the ICJ.

    If such evidence were presented, I would laugh very much. Use of commercial whale meat imported from Iceland has nothing to with Japan's research activities in Antarctic region.

    It shows how poor anti-whalers case against Japan is, that they would propose such silliness.

  • -1

    Thomas Anderson

    I think attack to culture of whale eating has become some sort of a religion for some.

    Well first off eating whale meat can hardly be considered "culture" and even if it were, so what. "Culture" should be not treated as if it were religion, that it is immune to any attacks and criticisms. In Japan, "culture" is usually only a pretext for not having it criticized or analyzed, i.e. changed.

    And it's not religion because they actually have a reason. The people who defend whaling have no reason, but "just because" (it's our culture, etc, therefore it is religion).

  • -4

    CH3CHO

    Thomas Anderson

    The people who defend whaling have no reason

    Well, Government of Japan and most Japanese support sustainable whaling. Iceland is of the opinion that there are enough fin whales for sustainable whaling. I do not think there is any legitimate reason against sustainable whaling. Are you against or for sustainable whaling?

  • -6

    ihope2eatwhales

    Thomas Anderson,

    Thank you for proving my point for me. Anti-whalers have religion-like hate of culture of whale eating, and refuse to tolerate it. Your comment shows it well.

    The people who defend whaling have no reason, but "just because" (it's our culture, etc, therefore it is religion).

    Culture of eating whales has nothing to do with religion. Whales are just a type of food.

    But denial of this is like your religion. You believe it and wish so strongly to fight for it, like some crusaders of ancient days. Today is 21st century. If you can not tolerate people eating whales, I suppose you would also be against the gay marriage as well? There are many people in the world, you should tolerate our differences.

  • -2

    Thomas Anderson

    Japanese support sustainable whaling

    Who? Most Japanese people don't even want to whale meat, hence there is so little demand for it.

    I do not think there is any legitimate reason against sustainable whaling.

    Well the main reasons against whaling are: 1) There is no "humane" way to kill whales, 2) Whales may be highly intelligent and sentient beings that can feel suffering and 3) Nobody eats whale meat! There is so little demand for it that it is often left unsold in the freezer.

  • -5

    ihope2eatwhales

    Thomas Anderson,

    Well the main reasons against whaling are:

    Of course, even if your "main" reasons are nonsense, you have more complaints as well. You can never accept whale eating. Please, just admit your lack of tolerance.

    1) There is no "humane" way to kill whales

    It is nonsense. A whale provides much meat, and lives a free life in the ocean. How can you claim it is a reason to not eat whales? It is low burden on environmental and low burden on number of animals.

    2) Whales may be highly intelligent and sentient beings that can feel suffering

    It is nonsense.

    3) Nobody eats whale meat! There is so little demand for it that it is often left unsold in the freezer.

    It is nonsense. I eat whale meat. It is in the freezer, because I will buy it in future. If it is not in the freezer, how could I buy it? I could not.

    Your attack on eating whales is very emotionally driven, as it is proven. Please learn to show a tolerance for that which is different to you. I do not criticize your lifestyle, no matter what disgusting behavior you have.

  • 3

    cleo

    If you can not tolerate people eating whales, I suppose you would also be against the gay marriage as well?

    And the award for plucked-from-the-air, meaningless non-sequitur of the month goes to hehopes2eatintelligentspecieswithabiggerbrainthanhisown.

    Are you against or for sustainable whaling?

    Against. The suffering inflicted cannot be justified, and no creature dying slowly and in agony gets any comfort out of knowing he is leaving behind plenty of companions to possibly suffer the same fate.

  • -6

    CH3CHO

    Thomas Anderson, if many people eat whale meat, does that justify whaling?

    There are many opinion researches on whaling and large majority of Japanese support sustainable whaling. Many say that they will restart eating whales once commercial whaling is resumed. Assuming there is little demand for whale meat is a very shaky ground for anti-whaling group to stand on, because pro-whaling people can topple that assumption just by eating whales. What a delicious way of proving demand.

    The argument about humane killing and intelligence of whales is in the realm of religion for me.

  • -7

    ihope2eatwhales

    cleo,

    And the award for plucked-from-the-air, meaningless non-sequitur of the month goes to hehopes2eatintelligentspecieswithabiggerbrainthanhisown.

    I don't understand what you mean well, but opposition to whale eating can not be considered more legitimate form of intolerance than intolerance to gay marriages.

    Both of them are one of the intolerance for other people.

    As you do not like this example, let me show another.

    Opposition to whale eating is like opposition by some Japanese people to people with tattoos. Maybe this example is more understandable for you, and easier to accept as villain of this example would be some Japanese people.

  • 3

    Nessie

    There are many opinion researches on whaling and large majority of Japanese support sustainable whaling. Many say that they will restart eating whales once commercial whaling is resumed.

    What are they waiting for. Whale is already commerically available. I see it at restaurants and in the supermarket, and I live where whaling is not entrenched.

  • 1

    zichi

    Pampered dogs are suffering from obesity and diabetics.

  • -5

    ihope2eatwhales

    Nessie,

    What are they waiting for. Whale is already commerically available. I see it at restaurants and in the supermarket, and I live where whaling is not entrenched.

    I could not believe only restaurants and shop which have whale on sale, and do sell whale, are those which I would visit. Availability is driven by demand of consumers. Shops and restaurants are in business to keep customer satisfied and make money by doing so. If it were not so, such restaurants could not exist at all, as they would be out of business by poor operations.

  • -2

    CH3CHO

    zichi, I am afraid you are the only one who is against this because of health concerns of dogs. I would say your argument is better than those argued by people who advocate humane killing and intelligence of whales.

  • 2

    Joel Lim

    I am a dog lover and also a nature lover.... I have two beautiful snauzhers but I will not go to the extent to spoil my dogs with whale meats...... dogs are family members, its true but whales are world pets and endangered.... sacrificing whales for dogs is totally unacceptable and no excuse for idiots like him....... maybe if the story is switched the other way round, how about sacrificing his dogs to feed whales? can he accept it? if he can't, don't talk about whales then..... this trader should be cut in pieces and feed them to the ocean instead.......

    but I know most of my Japanese friends don't bother to buy or eat whales...... the new generation is well aware of this importance of endangered species but surprisingly there are still so many whale-hunting in the name of scientific research.... soon there will be no more need to do scientific research coz no more whales in the world.......

    if there is a loophole in the international moratorium, then fix it, idiots! there is no excuse!

  • 1

    zichi

    There have been many reports of mercury and other toxics in whales. So dog owners are feeding these to their "beloved family members".

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=packaged-whale-meat-in-ja

    According to Japanese scientists

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030520082803.htm

  • -2

    Mike O'Brien

    Well zichi there have also been many reports of mercury and other toxins in just about every kind of seafood and even many freshwater species. People have also gotten sick from toxins on bean sprouts. In fact in todays world just about any food you buy will have low levels of some toxins because toxins are so prevelant everywhere in the world that no one and nothing is free of them.

  • -2

    letsberealistic

    @Mike O'BrienMAY. 29, 2013 - 07:19PM JST

    Well zichi there have also been many reports of mercury and other toxins in just about every kind of seafood and even many freshwater species. People have also gotten sick from toxins on bean sprouts. In fact in todays world just about any food you buy will have low levels of some toxins because toxins are so prevelant everywhere in the world that no one and nothing is free of them.

    Wrong. It's all a matter of degrees. Some food has some level of toxins, but sea mammals, especially the dolphin and whale species have larger than normal levels of mercury, which is harmful to human health (brains). If you are fine with the higher risks involved with eating higher levels of a harmful substances then go ahead, but don't suggest whale meat is somehow no more harmful than other foods; it is.

  • -2

    WilliB

    Yogi Zuna:

    " It is time for BOTH Iceland and Japan to give up whaling, which just makes them look bad and costs them tourist dollars. "

    Norway and the Faroese Islands are also doing this Although to their credit, they do not use the ridiculous "research" excuse.

  • -3

    Thomas Anderson

    CH3CHO

    Thomas Anderson, if many people eat whale meat, does that justify whaling?

    Of course not.

    There are many opinion researches on whaling and large majority of Japanese support sustainable whaling. Many say that they will restart eating whales once commercial whaling is resumed.

    Again, who? Show some data.

    Assuming there is little demand for whale meat is a very shaky ground for anti-whaling group to stand on, because pro-whaling people can topple that assumption just by eating whales. What a delicious way of proving demand.

    The entire argument is that there aren't enough people who even want to eat whale meat in the first place. Who are the pro-whaling people? There aren't that many.

    The argument about humane killing and intelligence of whales is in the realm of religion for me.

    It's not religion, you don't go out and torture and kill your dog or some other pets, do you? In fact I believe torturing animals is illegal in most countries.

    @ihope2eatwhales

    Your plea for "tolerance" and using the "culture" defense is often repeated in Japan and is amusing, but ultimately futile. You can't possibly defend whaling just because it's supposedly part of culture. You're not actually giving out any rational reason why whaling should be continued, other than that it's "culture". "We do this because it's our culture" is tautology, which is another way of saying "We do this because we do this".

  • -1

    zichi

    @Mike O'Brien

    Well zichi there have also been many reports of mercury and other toxins in just about every kind of seafood and even many freshwater species.......

    What you say s correct but large sea creature like whales and tuna consume and retain more of the mercury and toxins than smaller creatures. It's also true that our oceans are so polluted, and here in this country even with radiation from the nuclear disaster. The seas and the ample foods they can supply don't have a good future at the current rate of destruction.

  • 0

    cleo

    zichi, I am afraid you are the only one who is against this because of health concerns of dogs.

    I think the kind of people who are airbrained enough to 'treat' their dogs with the stuff Michinoku Farm sells probably aren't all that dog-health savvy anyway. Their dogs are likely obese and diabetic with salt, fat and sugar-heavy diets even without the mercury-laced whale meat adding to their problems.

  • -1

    Open Minded

    dog treats

    This is already too much for me!

  • 3

    Upgrayedd

    But if said tribe hunts the an endangered species and then turns around and sells it to some place else for extremely high money because of greed I know its a serious violation against the endangered species act.

    Endangered species act?

    Iceland and Japan are not subject to US law.

  • 0

    zichi

    @CH3CHO

    zichi, I am afraid you are the only one who is against this because of health concerns of dogs. I would say your argument is better than those argued by people who advocate humane killing and intelligence of whales.

    I also think there's a strong argument to be made about the way whales are hunted. Hunted down until they tire and then an explosive harpoon is fired into their sides causing a very large hole and no doubt pain, suffering and distress to the creature.

  • -2

    Mike O'Brien

    letsberealistic, you may want to try and live up to your moniker. First I didn't imply anything I just stated facts. Second there are many variables as to the toxin levels in a given animal such as where it lives and what it eats. Actual reality and scientific studies show that whales from the Antarctic have lower toxin levels than most other seafood. Arctic species also tend to have lower levels than temperate species. Also, except for Sperm whales, all the whales being hunted are baleen whales that eat creatures fairly low on the food chain, from that prospective baleen whales are lower on the food chain than active hunters like tuna and dolphins and thus would be expected to have lower concentations of toxins.

  • 0

    whiskeysour

    jerky for dogs yum yum

  • -4

    Cortes Elijah

    Seeing people crying about "All that frozen whale meat" Where is the article or proof there is such meat laying around???

  • -1

    Qamar

    .....endangered whale...dog treat?! >_<;

  • 1

    zichi

    I've been against whale hunting for 50 years, and in all that time, I've seen nothing which would change my mind.

  • -1

    Vast Right-Wing Conspirator

    If you want to save an endangered species, the best thing to do is to commercialize it and throw it open to the free market. Look what happened to elephants in Africa. Countries that try to protect them see the population fall. Countries that commercialize elephants, and make them an economic engine, see the population rise.

    Whales could be the same. If they were valuable, then money could be made in breeding/farming/using them commercially. Managing them as a valuable resource is the way to saving them.

  • 1

    cleo

    "All that frozen whale meat" Where is the article or proof there is such meat laying around???

    http://www.jfa.maff.go.jp/j/study/enyou/pdf/shiryo2_4.pdf

    P7. Government figures. Stocks of frozen whale meat, end of 2000: 1,922 tons. End of 2009, 4,246 tons

  • -4

    Mike O'Brien

    zichi, actually the way whales are hunted in modern times is that the whaling ship catches up to the whale as quickly as possible. Then an explosive harpoon is fired into the head where it usually causes instant death. When death isn't instantaneous the combined effect of the explosion scrambling the brain and the severing of the spinal cord makes it unlikely the creature feels or senses anything.

  • 0

    cleo

    the way whales are hunted in modern times is that the whaling ship catches up to the whale as quickly as possible.

    Still involves a chase after fleeing, terrified, exhausted animals.

    Then an explosive harpoon is fired into the head

    Shot fired from a moving platform at a moving target. The harpoon is shot at the head, not necessarily into the head.

    where it usually causes instant death.

    Even the icr claims no better than average time-to-death of a little over two minutes. That is not instant. A study carried out by the Japanese government in 1994 claimed that 29.4% of hits caused instant death. In other words, over 70% did not die immediately. A seventy percent failure rate - admitted by the people trying to sell us on the humaneness of the hunt - is nowhere near good enough. Average time-to-death studies also assume that lack of movement = death, whereas it's quite likely a badly-aimed shot produces paralysis and the animal remains conscious and aware of what is happening to it. It's not like there's a conscientious veterinary surgeon monitoring the whale with a stethoscope, brain wave monitor, etc. to determine the moment of death.

  • 3

    zichi

    @Mike O'Brien

    zichi, actually the way whales are hunted in modern times is that the whaling ship catches up to the whale as quickly as possible. Then an explosive harpoon is fired into the head where it usually causes instant death. When death isn't instantaneous the combined effect of the explosion scrambling the brain and the severing of the spinal cord makes it unlikely the creature feels or senses anything.

    Then I guess in this photo, and hundreds of others, the guy on the gun was just having a "bad harpoon day!" Actually, harpoons aren't accurate enough to be sure the harpoon will hit the whale in the head, which often it does not. The whaler might catch up with the whales quickly, especially with sonar to track them down but the whaler still chase them to wear them down, makes for an easier kill. http://patdickens.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/whale2520harpoon.jpg

  • 1

    ultradarkmelvin

    The species of whales known as the black right whale has four kilos of brains and 1000 kilos of testicles. If it thinks at all, we know what it is thinking about.

  • 4

    C Harald Hansen

    "Dogs are like family members"

    Well, the dogs don't care what they eat, if you feed it beef or whale, it's all the same to the dog. What a wasteful way of thought.

  • 3

    Thunderbird2

    The species of whales known as the black right whale has four kilos of brains and 1000 kilos of testicles. If it thinks at all, we know what it is thinking about.

    What do you mean IF it thinks? Are you denying that whales are intelligent animals?

    Why do pro-whalers never respond to the fact that whales are intelligent? They just bleat on about them as a resource, as if they are on the same level as a cow or a sheep?

    Sorry, but pro-whalers will never make me change my opinion that whale-hunting is barbaric, cruel and unnecessary. I don't care who does it - Japanese factory ship or an Inuit in a canoe - it's cruel.

  • -4

    Mike O'Brien

    cleo, sorry to here you don't understand what an average is. Although they may be a few minutes of a 'chase', it isn't hunting them down until they are tired as zichi claimed. And 1994 was before the latest Norweign type harpoon was introduced. And as I said it is probable that a badly-aimed shot produces unconsciousness.

  • 1

    zichi

    @ultradarkmelvinMAY. 30, 2013 - 01:32AM JST

    There are around 24,000 fin whales in the East Greenland/Iceland and Jan Mayen stock area and 14,000 in the area between Iceland and Greenland.

    But this post is about importing whale from one on the endangered list to be used for meat for dogs.

  • -2

    Mike O'Brien

    zichi, nice photo. Too bad it doesn't have any context. And they chase them down to tire them out because you say so, right? Not a chance that they have an incentive to shoot and kill the whale as quickly as possible to allow them to get back in the hunt as soon as possible?

    Most whale species aren't on the endangered list either.

    You do realize just what the crietria for the endangered list is don't you? In the case of Fin whales it is based on them being below their historical level, a level which is only a guess to begin with. In the case of Fin whales it doesn't actually mean they are in any danger of being driven to extinction.

  • 3

    zichi

    Kristjan Loftsson, the millionaire entrepreneur who owns two whaling vessels dating back to the 1950s is the guy behind "whales for dogs." The Fin Whales are only second in size to the Blue Whale. He hopes to kill 184 of the endangered Fin Whales. All the flesh from the catch is destined for Japanese dog snacks. Loftsson has the backing of the Icelandic gov't. 'Whales are just another fish for me,' says Kristjan Loftsson.

    Photo http://www.newsoficeland.com/home/media/k2/items/cache/94dc54329e25f79c8a3f66d37ea38c47_XL.jpg

  • 1

    Himajin

    I will remind you that western civilization whaled for ages too. Back to the stone age era.

    How about until the late 1800s? Americans drove more than one species to the brink of extinction with global, aggressive whaling for lamp oil, ambergris for perfume and corset stays.

    I think defending whaling has become some sort of a religion for some.

    As is attacking it.

  • -4

    Thomas Anderson

    Vast Right-Wing Conspirator

    If you want to save an endangered species, the best thing to do is to commercialize it and throw it open to the free market.

    lol market fundamentalist.

    As is attacking it.

    No, because there is a legitimate reason for attacking it. Whaling defenders have no reason but "it's our culture", which is no real explanation.

  • 0

    cleo

    Good, informative photo of Loftsson Greybeard. A picture speaks a thousand words. Now the whale-eaters know what they are eating (or feeding to their dogs) has likely been trampled by burly men in wellies who can't tell the difference between a fish and a mammal.

  • 2

    zichi

    There were more than 750,000 Fin Whales in the oceans of the world but commercial whaling has reduced the numbers to less than 50,000 with almost none left in the Southern Oceans. I don't understand how anyone could possible agree to the further killing of them just for the sake of posh doggie snacks. This is one of the most outrageous animal stories for sometime.

    Michinoku Farms announced in a press release on Wednesday that it was pulling its new dog treats product that was revealed to contain meat from fin whales exported by Iceland. But I don't think that decision will be enough to deter Kristjan Loftsson from continuing with the Fin Whale hunt next month.

    I would hope both President Obama and the EU will take action against Iceland.

  • -4

    Mike O'Brien

    Considering what I have seen dogs eat, I really don't think the fact that someone may have walked on it before processing is anything to worry about.

  • 1

    FightingViking

    dog food must be produced of some other commodity instead.

    "Dry" dog food already exists - it is not made from whale meat and is perfectly healthy for dogs.

    whale species have larger than normal levels of mercury, which is harmful to human health (brains).

    Which just goes to show a lot of "pro-whalers" have already had their "brains" attacked !

  • 1

    BurakuminDes

    Im surprised the pet-food company has bowed to pressure and pulled the product. I thought they may have tried the "eating whale-meat is traditional dog culture" route - or even claimed discrimination against the pooches!

  • -4

    CH3CHO

    BurakuminDes, it is not a pet-food company, but a retailer with just 2 employees including the president.

  • 2

    cleo

    If I'm paying nearly ¥4000 for dog treats (not that i ever would) I don't want stuff that has been trampled on, or stuff prepared by a bloke who can't tell the difference between meat and fish. Heck, I don't want that kind of low-level stuff whatever the price. My dog deserves more from me, regardless of what he might fancy eating off his own bat.

  • -3

    dcog9065

    If there's a market for it, then make it, there shouldn't be any problems. Banning whaling because of inhumane killing methods is a comically absurd and is a very, very poor reason.

  • 2

    zichi

    In the last century, commercial whaling reduced the fin whale population by 85% from 200,000 to less than 50,000 today. The blue whale population was reduced by 98% from 350,000 to less than 5,000 today. Had commercial whaling continued both of these whales would have vanished from the oceans of the world.

  • -4

    sourpuss

    I used to be a rabid anti-whaling fundamentalist.

    But I'm all better now.

  • -3

    dcog9065

    In the last century, commercial whaling reduced the fin whale population by 85% from 200,000 to less than 50,000 today. The blue whale population was reduced by 98% from 350,000 to less than 5,000 today. Had commercial whaling continued both of these whales would have vanished from the oceans of the world.

    @zichi : Well it's a good thing that Japanese whalers only catch Minke Whales in semi-large numbers.

  • -4

    ultradarkmelvin

    IWC is a whaling club. It makes no sense to be a member of a club and oppose the objective of the club.. You don't join a tennis club in order to oppose tennis.

  • -1

    ihope2eatwhales

    zichi,

    Iceland is catching the fin whales in North Atlantic. IWC scientist agree that fin whales in North Atlantic are in healthy number. More than 20,000, and Iceland does not catch so many. It is sustainable.

    Had commercial whaling continued both of these whales would have vanished from the oceans of the world.

    Yes, it is a good lesson for continuing whaling, it must be sustainable in future, not unsustainable as it was in past.

  • -3

    Thomas Anderson

    Banning whaling because of inhumane killing methods is a comically absurd and is a very, very poor reason.

    Lol. It already is banned for many animals.

  • -4

    CH3CHO

    Thomas Anderson, why do not you read this resolution adopted by the majority of IWC member countries in 2006? Island nations are fed up with the selfish attitude of Australia and New Zealand.

    http://iwc.int/cache/downloads/ypi47gupnsgo0o8ggsg80o4g/Resolution%202006.pdf

    NOTING that in 1982, the IWC adopted a moratorium on commercial whaling (paragraph 10 e of the Schedule to the ICRW) without advice from the Commission's Scientific Committee that such measure was required for conservation purposes;

    FURTHER NOTING that the moratorium which was clearly intended as a temporary measure is no longer necessary, that the Commission adopted a robust and risk-averse procedure (RMP) for calculating quotas for abundant stocks of baleen whales in 1994 and that the IWC's own Scientific Committee has agreed that many species and stocks of whales are abundant and sustainable whaling is possible;

    CONCERNED that after 14 years of discussion and negotiation, the IWC has failed to complete and implement a management regime to regulate commercial whaling.

    NOTING that the position of some members that are opposed to the resumption of commercial whaling on a sustainable basis irrespective of the status of whale stocks is contrary to the object and purpose of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling;

  • 3

    zichi

    @ihope2eatwhales

    The minimum population estimate for the Western North Atlantic fin whale stock is 1,678. There are insufficient data to determine trends for this population.

    http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/mammals/cetaceans/finwhale.htm

    A joint workshop of NAMMCO and the IWC held in Iceland in March 2006 considered available information on stock structure, catch history, biological parameters, abundance and trends in North Atlantic fin whales. The workshop agreed that, for general purposes, the best estimate of current abundance in the Central North Atlantic (including the Faroes) is 25,800 for the year 2001.

    http://www.ssn.org/Meetings/cop/cop14/Factsheets/Fin_whale_EN.pdf

    Fin whale population size estimates in the North Atlantic vary between 5,000 and 11,000 individuals. http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/species-especes/species-especes/finwhale-atlantic-rorqual-commun-atlantique-eng.htm

    @ihope2eatwhales please explain why its necessary to hunt Blue and Fin whales?

  • 0

    Mike O'Brien

    Despite what the main page says if you follow the NOAA link to Stock Assesment Reports and go to the Fin Whale, Western North Atlantic 2012 you find this;

    The best estimate of abundance for fin whales is 3,522 (CV=0.27). The minimum population estimate for the western North Atlantic fin whale is 2,817.

    You also find that despite what they say the estimates over the years have shown an increase. So obviously there is data that shows an increasing trend.

    But since no one is hunting the Western North Atlantic group of Fin whales I don't see what purpose there was in you mentioning this data anyways.

  • 2

    zichi

    Whale-watching is more lucrative for Iceland than whaling.

    The Icelandic Board of Tourism has stated its opposition to any resumption of whaling by Iceland while the IWC moratorium is in place.

    In 1997, there were 20,000 whale watching tourists which generated an income of £4 million (£/$ was 1.68) ($6,720,000)

    http://www.wdcs-de.org/docs/iceland.pdf

    in 1998 it was estimated to have earned over US$ 6million, rising to over US$ 16million in 2002, and is forecast to pull in between US$ 23million and US$ 36million in 2007;

    Whale-watching is more lucrative for Iceland than whaling. Between 1985 and 1989, until recently the last time whalers put to sea, the annual value of scientific whaling was estimated to be around US$ 3-4million (source: AP). In 2002, whale-watching generated more than US$ 16million.

    http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/MultimediaFiles/Live/FullReport/5984.pdf

    According to recent Gallup polls, only 3% to 5% of Icelanders eat whale meat regularly. For a country of 320,000 people, that’s only 16,000 customers – certainly not enough to sustain the country’s whaling industry.

    Most of the Icelandic whale flesh is exported to Japan were its put into cold storage until it rots.

    In the last year only 10% of Japanese adults have eaten whale.

  • -4

    ihope2eatwhales

    zichi,

    IWC is competent authority for estimates. Here you are: http://iwc.int/estimate In 2007, estimate of 16,000 – 30,000 in North Atlantic, East Greenland to Faroes. If Iceland catches 250 fin whales, it is less than 1.6% in a year.

    @ihope2eatwhales please explain why its necessary to hunt Blue and Fin whales?

    Fin whales are hunted to obtain their meat, which Iceland sells to Japanese market, which has the demand for it. Blue whales are not hunted.

    Whale-watching is more lucrative for Iceland than whaling.

    Most lucrative is whaling and whale-watching together. It is said that many tourists both watch whales, and eat them, when they visit Iceland.

    Most of the Icelandic whale flesh is exported to Japan were its put into cold storage until it rots.

    It is put into cold storage until it is eaten, like frozen meat imports from any country on the earth.

    If you wish to stop whaling, I suppose only you can donate to Sea Shepherd, or become Sea Shepherd member. However, I do not hear of Sea Shepherd in Iceland, these days.

  • 4

    zichi

    ihope2eatwhales

    Most lucrative is whaling and whale-watching together. It is said that many tourists both watch whales, and eat them, when they visit Iceland.

    Since Iceland resumed whaling the whale watching tourist numbers have fallen hence the Icelandic Board of Tourism has stated its opposition to any resumption of whaling by Iceland while the IWC moratorium is in place.

    According to data provided for the first time by fisheries authorities, Japan’s government has approved subsidies totaling more than 30 billion yen ($320 million) between 1987 and last year.

    There are more than 6,000 metric tons of whale meat in cold storage, the industry is unable to sell that it kills and buys from Iceland.

    The Japanese whaling industry kills more whales, including Fin whales which it can't sell?

  • -5

    Mike O'Brien

    zichi

    Actually you are wrong.

    So we were delighted by recent reports from the Icelandic Travel Industry Association (SAF) that the number of people going whale watching in Iceland in 2012 was up 45,000 on 2011, to 175,000

    http://www.wdcs.org/news.php?select=1446.

    Well since Japan isn't killing whales to sell them I don't understand what your point is. And the meat in storage is almost exclusively Minke. Fin whale meat tends to sell just fine as it is considered a 'better' type of meat.

  • -6

    ultradarkmelvin

    In response to Zichi´s idea of wanting sanctions on Iceland.

    Due to England´s mismanagement of its own fisheries, Britain must import more and more of the fish it needs to go with its chips. But its major sources of imports are those countries which manage their fisheries the best, and surprise surprise, theyre all whaling nations. UK is dependent on fish from uncivlized Iceland, Faroes and Norway. It must be a tough dilemma for UK´s whale hugging fisheries. Either give up fish and chips or accept whaling.

  • -3

    ihope2eatwhales

    Yes, zichi is wrong:

    A total of 175,000 people went whale watching in Iceland in 2012, up by 45,000 since 2011 and 100,000 since 2002, according to new numbers from the Icelandic Travel Industry Association (SAF)

    See "Whale Watching Boom in Iceland" article from http://icelandreview.com/

    It means a huge increase in tourism since 2002, even though Iceland had later resumed whaling. Whoever would say otherwise must be misled, or trying to mislead.

    There are more than 6,000 metric tons of whale meat in cold storage, the industry is unable to sell that it kills and buys from Iceland.

    Is there 6,000 tons, really? I think number should be lower, given terrorism by Sea Shepherd. However, how can you say whale meat in cold storage is not from Iceland as well?

    I am certain whale meat from Iceland is also frozen before export to Japan.

    Anyway, I have bought research whale meat and commercial whale meat from Iceland from my supermarket. Both were excellent, and of course "sold".

  • -6

    ultradarkmelvin

    Iceland exported 500- 600 tons of fin whale meat to Japan in 2011, worth 486,189,000 ISK ($3.8 million) according to wikipedia. It´s not a gigantic industry. But the demand is there.

  • -2

    Thomas Anderson

    lol, people still defend whaling "because it's our culture"... So irrational...

  • 3

    malfupete

    the fact that people give their dogs "luxury" treats when a dog will pretty much eat other dog crap on the ground says a lot...

  • -5

    ultradarkmelvin

    The real reason this country imports whale meat from Iceland is to show support for a country which is willing to defy the IWC and go whale hunting,

    How can you defy the IWC when the objective of IWC is " to provide for the proper conservation of whale stocks and thus make possible the orderly development of the whaling industry"? It´s countries who are opposing whale hunting who are defying IWC.

    The reason why Japan imports whale meat from Iceland is because there are people in Japan who wants to eat whale meat from Iceland. So what?

  • -5

    ultradarkmelvin

    zichi

    The Fin whale hunt is sustainable. That´s the point of IWC. To use a natural renewable resource sustainably. The Icelandic quota is within the range deemed safe by the IWC Scientific Committee. The environmental consequences of industrial beef and pork farming is much greater than whaling. So if you really do think about the global planet you need to get your priorities straight. I could not care less if whales are for humans or dogs. There is pork, chicken, beef dog food and also whale dog food.

    The tail meat called onomi is the most expensive but other parts of whale is used to. Belly, bacon, blubber etc. A whale is just a big chunk of meat to most Japanese.

  • -1

    CH3CHO

    zichi, just read paragraph 10(e) of schedule to the international convention for the regulation of whaling. The paragraph is known as the moratorium of commercial whaling. http://iwc.int/cache/downloads/1lv6fvjz06f48wc44w4s4w8gs/Schedule-February-2013.pdf

    Notwithstanding the other provisions of paragraph 10, catch limits for the killing for commercial purpose of whales from all stocks for the 1986 coastal and the 1985/86 pelagic seasons and thereafter shall be zero. This provision will be kept under review, based upon the best scientific advice, and by 1990 at the latest the Commission will undertake a comprehensive assessment of the effects of this decision on whale stocks and consider modification of this provision and the establishment of other catch limits.

    It is 2013 and still we do not see the new catch limits because anti-whaling countries are delaying the procedure. Those "white" nations in Europe, North America and Oceania think they out-smarted whaling countries by giving a promise they have no intention to keep. Why cannot they stop being mean and start being fair to seriously consider setting catch limits?

  • -1

    CH3CHO

    I wonder how many people in anti-whaling countries know the latter half of paragraph 10(e).

  • -6

    ultradarkmelvin

    If whaling was done in an unsustainable way then I could understand their campaign. But when you look at the facts you can see that whaling is sustainable. They distort facts for their propaganda. Anti whaling countries have lied and bent truths. If you humanise whales then you inevitably dehumanise any human being who touches the whale god. And that's pointless and stupid. People who live in London, Paris, Washington, Sydney have no right to dictate the lives, and meal menus, of other communities in other places of the planet.

  • -4

    Thomas Anderson

    I wonder how many people in anti-whaling countries know the latter half of paragraph 10(e).

    lol @ you for thinking this has anything to do with "pro-whaling countries vs anti-whaling countries". Actually, why are countries involved at all?

  • -1

    CH3CHO

    why are countries involved at all?

    Needless to say, each country has one vote at IWC.

  • 0

    Todd Gorman

    Ozawa-san. I've just read through every product available from Mishinoku Farm on their website. There is not a single product made from whale. No whale chews. Kangaroo, mongolian horse, saba, tuna, deer, etc, etc, but no whale. Where did you find whale chews available for 609 yen and 3780 yen? Judging by your name I assume you can read Japanese, so where did you see this product? You're not accusing a company of selling something that they in fact are not, are you? Or have they already responded by removing it? A lot of accusations are made regarding this topic, but I'm afraid a lot of it is untrue. I'm curious to know the truth about this particular accusation.

  • 0

    Todd Gorman

    In a separate search I found an article dated today stating that the company has heard people were upset by the product and has discontinued its sale. That explains why it is not on the site you mention.

  • -3

    kringis

    I could understand the obsession with eating whale if it actually tasted nice. I know certain species in the past have almost been made extinct because they were so tasty. But of all the meats I've eaten, only rat (thanks Morocco) rates lower on the taste scale than whale. I don't give much of a crap about whales or extinct/endangered animals, but eating anything just because someone says it's cultural, expensive or "quality" makes no sense and is one more thing to add to the list of why the human race itself is on the edge of social/moral/existential destruction.

  • 1

    Elbuda Mexicano

    Never trust those Iceland jins!! Never! (Especially if you are a whale!! Hahaha!!)

  • -1

    Mike O'Brien

    @kringis, you do realize different people have different taste don't you? Personally I dislike lobster yet many people are willing to pay top dollar for it.

    People who believe that their opinions are universal and the only ones that matter is one more thing to add to the list of why the human race itself is on the edge of social/moral/existential destruction.

  • -3

    ultradarkmelvin

    I don't give much of a crap about whales or extinct/endangered animals

    This is the most important argument as far as conservation and utilization of an animal is concerned. It is perfectly clear that some whale stocks are now abundant and hunting the animal for food can no longer be objected based on populations. Yet anti whalers are still opposing other people to hunt whales due to their moral and ethics. Whose morals and ethics? Ethics and morals are culturally defined. Forcing other cultures to worship a sacred cow is more than just wrong.

  • -2

    sighclops

    "science"

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    ultradarkmelvin

    "science"

    Some people seem to be extremely ignorant on this issue. Scientific whales are meant for the frying pan. Japan is not doing research so that some hippie whale worshippers can go on a whale safari. The sacred cows are magnificent animals. Any IWC member can issue scientific permits. Japan is taking a number of whales, over a fairly long period of time to provide statistically reliable numbers for working out how many whales they can catch for management purposes. The results are then sent to the IWC Scientific Committee. The Scientific Committee which consists of leading marine scientists from around the world has praised Japan´s research programme. Further IWC demands that whales caught in scientific research should not to be wasted. Japan is just doing what it is supposed to do according to IWC. A better question to ask is. Why is it that countries oppose Japan in IWC when Japan is not breaking a single IWC rule? If someone is being childish and dishonest, it is not Japan.

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    Franck TheGaijin

    ridiculous

  • -3

    kurisupisu

    Selling endangered species =high profits in the growing pet industry and we have to remember that Japanese dogs have traditionally eaten whale meat for centuries....

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    Molenir

    There are an estimated 38k fin whales alive today... Iceland hunts takes about 150 a year... Thats less then 1% of the population every year. No one else hunts them. Honestly, I'm not too worried about their endangered status. Now if there were 10k or less, then yes, I'd be very much opposed to them being hunted, but 38k, no, not really.

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    ultradarkmelvin

    What drama over a non issue. The biggest issue is that to some whales are sacred to some where as others look at whales as food. It's a case of intolerance towards other cultures who view whales differently.

    The abundance of both common minke whales and fin whales has been confirmed by the Scientific Committees of the International Whaling Commission (IWC) and the North-Atlantic Marine Mammal Commission (NAMMCO), as as can been seen from their websites www.iwcoffice.org and www.nammco.no.

    Iceland believes that the whaling issue should not be handled as an exception from the principle of sustainable use of natural resources. A research plan on common minke whales was implemented 2003 – 2007 involving the take of a total 200 animals in order to gain better understanding of the role of common minke whales in the ecosystem. Important material was collected, which is now being studied by scientists in order to increase our knowledge, including on the role of common minke whales in the food web and how they prey on other species in their habitat affecting their abundance.

    http://www.fisheries.is/management/government-policy/whaling/

    Whaling if practiced according to IWC guidelines is a very sound way of marine resource management. These kind of standards should be applied to all living creatures in the ocean which are utilized by humans across the world.

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