Factory ship of Japanese whaling fleet returns home

Tuesday 14th April, 10:53 AM JST

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cleo at 05:45 PM JST - 17th April

david -

It's called "paraphrasing". Come on, it's close enough to the mark. For what it's worth I agree with the argument that "humane killing" is an oxymoron.

Wrong on both counts. Paraphrasing is when you express the same idea in different words. What you're doing is changing the meaning. You're way wide of the mark. I have never made the argument that "Humane killing is an oxymoron". I've had sick, old dogs put to sleep, humanely.

regardless of whether the labelling is good or not, the consumer still has no way of knowing whether it's actually true

Then how can you possibly claim the stuff is safe?? The Ministry admits that up to 20% of whalemeat offered for sale is from toxin-laden species. Would you play Russian roulette with one bullet out of five?

common sense tells us that limited supply precludes large numbers of consumers

Common sense and listening to people tells us that people are not interested in eating whale. Even the icr and their cronies admit to the desire to get young people eating the stuff so that the habit doesn't die out. To paraphrase, they think it is in danger of dying out. (Though why they should care beats me - what others eat is of no concern, right?)

proportionately speaking for the amount of whale eaten there is a relatively low level of cruelty involved, in my view

Yet you still offer nothing to enable us understand on what you base this evaluation. What exactly is the level of cruelty in your view? (Ah! You do admit there is cruelty, I see. We're making headway.) How are the whales killed? How long does it take for a Baird's to die? How long is acceptable? Is it a method of death you would be happy inflicting on your pet dog if need be? And if not, why not? With what do you compare the level of cruelty to be able to claim that it is 'relatively' low level?
davidattokyo at 06:00 PM JST - 17th April

I have never made the argument that "Humane killing is an oxymoron"

I was saying that this is an argument that I agree with, not that you agree with. It's separate from my paraphrasing. By the way euthanising and killing for food are pretty different types of things when you consider the intent involved.

Then how can you possibly claim the stuff is safe??

Baleen whale meat is safe. Whether you are eating it or something else is a different issue entirely, which is not limited to whale products.

Bullets and whale meat are quite different things. I knowingly ate Baird's beaked whale (at least thats what it was supposed to be), in knowledge that it is generally above the MHLW guidelines for mercury. It's not the same as shooting oneself. Same for the local food I had in on the moonlit beach in Western Africa (which I'm sure was worse for me than the Bbwhale, but was a cherished memory none the less).

To paraphrase, they think it is in danger of dying out

If kids are unaware of or not provided with the food their parents ate when they were children themselves, then it's highly unlikely the kids will eat any given food you care to mention. Passing on knowledge of food is Something That Humans Do.

Yet you still offer nothing to enable us understand on what you base this evaluation

We've had the discussion before numerous times, and again I refer you to my previous comments in this thread.

You do admit there is cruelty, I see

Yes, see my comment regarding "humane killing" as an oxymoron. Nature and life on earth is not like it is portrayed in Disney movies.
cleo at 06:17 PM JST - 17th April

If kids are unaware of or not provided with the food their parents ate when they were children themselves, then it's highly unlikely the kids will eat any given food you care to mention.

Wow, that is so not so! My diet today is vastly different from what my parents ate or what they fed me. On the other hand there are some things I have offered my kids right from the start (green peppers, porridge and celery (not at the same time) come to mind) that they steadfastly refuse to eat.

As for the practice of eating whale dying out in Japan - it's in the main the mothers -the ones who do the 'passing on' - who are choosing not to put the whalemeat on the family dinner table. In the main mothers tend not to want to feed their kids toxic waste.

We've had the discussion before numerous times, and again I refer you to my previous comments in this thread.

Ok, so you're either unwilling or unable to let us see what you base your evaluation on. I'll take that as a simple 'I don't know and I don't care', and give up.
davidattokyo at 06:59 PM JST - 17th April

Take it as you please.
stranger04i at 10:19 PM JST - 17th April

"In terms of special permits, if 100 nations want to gather data from 1000 (850) whales each year, they should probably chat with the Japanese about it since the Japanese are already taking 100+ data samples from each whale taken"

So, Japan can share 100+ data samples for these 100 nations...Can Japan share the meat of this 1000 whales as well with these 100 nations ?

If 1 country has the right to kill, research and eat the meat, all countries has the same right....
OssanAmerica at 12:31 AM JST - 18th April

ihope2eatwhales Just keep plugging with the ICR line. Same style as >OssanAmerica. Stooges perhaps?

I disagree. I consider most anti-whalers stooges. Not because of the opinion they hold, but their ridiculous fanaticism over something that isn't going to affect their paycheck or social life nor anything else that really matters.
cleo at 10:30 AM JST - 18th April

their ridiculous fanaticism over something that isn't going to affect their paycheck or social life nor anything else that really matters.

Posting opinions on JT affects your paycheck or social life?

Never heard that before.
WilliB at 08:54 PM JST - 18th April

What is factory ship doing on a research mission?
rogerbentham at 10:17 AM JST - 19th April

whale meat?! what's next, dolphin?
funkymofo at 12:14 PM JST - 19th April

Roger- not next, already happening- google Taiji dolphins.

Moderator: Stay on topic please. Dolphins are not relevant to this discussion.
funkymofo at 12:42 PM JST - 19th April

Which is why I wrote GOOGLE it.
sf2k at 09:11 PM JST - 19th April

@rogerbentham

Japanese already eat dolphin and pilot whales as they can catch that locally. Its popularity is waining with only the elderly left and will likely end with this generation. Hence the desperation in feeding whale to a new generation, but it's not working.

Moderator: Stay on topic please.
OssanAmerica at 05:01 AM JST - 21st April

their ridiculous fanaticism over something that isn't going to affect >their paycheck or social life nor anything else that really matters. Posting opinions on JT affects your paycheck or social life? Never heard that before.

Being a fanatic. Not posting opinions. Let's read what's written ok?
davidattokyo at 10:49 AM JST - 21st April

It's the whole "good versus evil" mentality that the commercial anti-whaling industry has manufactured over the years. The "fanatics" seemingly feel good about themselves for siding with the side that they regard as the heroes (whereas I see this as basically joining the team that disregards human rights, diversity and the sound management and conservation of renewable natural resources for the benefit of future generations).
kiley at 04:55 AM JST - 5th July

i am a us citizen and i would eat beef water bufalow any meat and if i had a chance i would probally eat whale too if i could. japan follows the rules and they really schould not have to if they dont want to they do it out of there own free well leave them alone the sea shepherd people should all be thrown in jail they are nothing but pirates there web site only says give me give me japan is in the right Kiley A. Ball