Gov't to deploy Patriot missiles in Tokyo

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  • -7

    sansamp

    "The nuclear-armed North" ... umm check your facts. They're suspected to be developing weapons, not yet proven to have any nukes.

  • -4

    rickyvee

    isn't this needlessly trying to raise the fear factor in japan? seriously, NK would never try to bomb japan, or any other country for that matter.

  • 2

    JA_Cruise

    NK would have to be pretty bold to launch an attack on Japan, but they sure are into scare tactics and love the world media attention. I wonder how much time Japan has to decide on whether they think the missile will accidently drop in japan territory. I think Japan should knock it out of the sky either way.

  • -7

    Cletus

    One must ask why? Seriously Japan what are you on about.

    North Korea's upcoming rocket launch is going to be aimed south into a triangle area "roughly between Australia, Indonesia and the Philippines", a senior US official has warned.

    Given that Tokyo is East of the launch site and the missile would have to overfly South Korea in order to get to Tokyo what are you trying to achieve by your needless blustering? Do you just like make yourself look like the center of everything sheezz!!!!!

  • 1

    Disillusioned

    It is very unlikely NK would launch an unprovoked attack on Japan, but if these twits shoot down the rocket then I fear there will be war.

  • 4

    smithinjapan

    All this is just sabre-rattling and weapons sales. Why would they need a missile defense system in Tokyo for a rocket that MIGHT fly over Okinawa? Needless posturing, and that's all.

  • 4

    ultradork

    The Japanese govt. has invested billions in the Patriot system, great opportunity to deploy it. A huge waste of money in my opinion but I don’t have one – pay taxes but can’t vote. This is security theatre at its finest.

  • 4

    Scrote

    “We are working on procedures to deploy the Patriot in the Tokyo metropolitan area, acting on precedent,”. What precedent is that then? The precedent that the bureaucrats in Tokyo look after themselves and everyone else can get stuffed?

  • -3

    Cletus

    We are working on procedures to deploy the Patriot in the Tokyo metropolitan area, acting on precedent

    The precent being that you are acting like a bunch of morons as usual. Even your closest ally and supporter the US doesnt thing the missile will be anywhere near mainland Japan unless you have moved mainland Japan south by a few thousand kilometers.

    Unless... Unless you intend to shot the missile down regardless and you are concerned that the NK will lob a response directly at Tokyo now that would make perfect sense......

  • 4

    just-a-bigguy

    Was that an idea invented by Tokyo mayor Ishihara Shintaro? Japan has never missed a single chance to wage a local tension for her domestic or diplomatic 'purposes'!

  • -2

    HansNFranz

    I wonder if a NK missile really falls on Japan if that will be newsworthy enough to bump the pressing "Nakajima mind control" issue off the news shows?

  • 2

    tokyomusing

    > sansamp

    "The nuclear-armed North" ... umm check your facts. They're suspected to be developing weapons, not yet proven to have any nukes.

    >

    uhhhh how about those nuclear bomb tests a few years ago?

  • -2

    Darren Brannan

    Another power play by Japan's rapidly righ-leaning hawks. Shows of strength to buy the vote of the only folk that seem to bother to vote.. The elderly.

  • -8

    Hôjô Sôun

    The time has come. Japan is now the sleeping giant, lured into a postwar haze of pacifism, in shock from the events of the previous generation. But we have healed and recovered and we're coming back to finish the job. Like fools doomed to repeat history, this launch will be the beginning of the end for North Korea. The time has come.

  • -2

    Cletus

    Hôjô Sôun

    The time has come. Japan is now the sleeping giant, lured into a postwar haze of pacifism, in shock from the events of the previous generation. But we have healed and recovered and we're coming back to finish the job. Like fools doomed to repeat history, this launch will be the beginning of the end for North Korea. The time has come.

    I guess someone has learnt their lesson very well!!!!

  • 0

    gaijinTechie

    Uhh... what? What on earth would a Tokyo-based interceptor missile be of any use to Tokyo-bound ballistic missile? Seriously? Or is this yet again Tokyo University physics?

    You don't want ballistic projectile hitting Tokyo? Fine, put interceptors to 3-4 locations between the launch site and Tokyo and pray like a monkey that they hit it and knock it off course so that it lands someplace else (expecting hollywood explosions and vaporizations? Expect disappointment). But when it's already approaching in free-fall, not moving sideways but just keeps getting bigger, then you probably have time to say "Oh sh...".

    I mean, really?!? Even when used by professionals, Patriot system is iffy. But used by junior high schoolers in suits? Never going to happen.

  • 0

    techall

    @ scrote and cletus:

    What's the precedent?

    In 2009, Japan ordered missile-defense preparations, including the siting of one of its PAC-3 systems at Ichigaya, next to the defense ministry building in central Tokyo

    Every time there is a regime change in NK or the US the North Koreans try this brinkmanship to show the resolve of their new leader or to test the resolve of the US and her allies.

    .

  • 0

    gyouza

    @Disillusioned

    It is very unlikely NK would launch an unprovoked attack on Japan

    They did a pretty good job of surprising the S. Koreans when they rocketed Yeonpyeong island in 2010. No harm being prepared, although it would be pretty dumb of the North Koreans to try it.

  • -1

    Cletus

    techall

    @ scrote and cletus: What's the precedent? In 2009, Japan ordered missile-defense preparations, including the siting of one of its PAC-3 systems at Ichigaya, next to the defense ministry building in central Tokyo Every time there is a regime change in NK or the US the North Koreans try this brinkmanship to show the resolve of their new leader or to test the resolve of the US and her allies.

    Ah so the precedent is Japans irrational fear of North Korea lobbing a missile at the defense ministry building.... As mentioned this missile will not be anywhere near Tokyo. It is not going to be within thousands of kilometers of the Defense Ministry building so why place a missile system there. I will tell you why, its a look at me thing!!! Its pointless having it there. If they are so worried put it between Tokyo and North Korea not at the supposed target.

    This unit in Tokyo is nothing more than a PR stunt. Nothing more nothing less.

  • -8

    Ivan Coughanoffalot

    I'm so glad we're all going to have to pay more taxes soon to pay for these unavoidable expenditures.

    And how long before one of our venerable leaders loses his USB drive with all the launch information on it during one of his many late-night conferences in a Ginza hostess club?

  • 0

    UnagiDon

    Armchair experts notwithstanding, it's a prudent act to do this. Your unpredictable and belligerent neighbor has stated they're going to launch a missile which may overfly your territory, in defiance of international sanctions Deploying Patriots and saying that you will shoot down a missile which threatens to fall on your territory is absolutely justified. South Korea has announced that they;re going to do exactly the same thing. Especially when you only have the word of NK for

    a) It's payload b) it's trajectory

    But there is a rational reason for Patriots in Tokyo. Surprisingly, Cletus got it half-right, except he had to toss in a conspiracy theory.

    Unless you intend to shot the missile down regardless and you are concerned that the NK will lob a response directly at Tokyo now that would make perfect sense......

    Drop the conspiracy theory and he's almost got it - you protect your capital as a contingency, for what NK might do. If this missile was judged to be a threat to Japan and was shot down near Okinawa, or even by SK or the US, you have no idea what NK will do in retaliation. If Japan does have to go ahead and intercept the missile, it makes sense to have defences in place around your capital.

  • 0

    Tamarama

    Cletus

    It is not going to be within thousands of kilometers of the Defense Ministry building so why place a missile system there. I will tell you why, its a look at me thing!!! Its pointless having it there. If they are so worried put it between Tokyo and North Korea not at the supposed target.

    This unit in Tokyo is nothing more than a PR stunt. Nothing more nothing less.

    Hang on a sec - NK are planning to shoot a 'rocket' into space, which involves them shooting it over their neighbors territory. NK missile launches in the past have not had a wonderful success rate, not to mention that not much space hardware seems to have ever been delivered by these so called 'sattelite' launches. So Japan have every right to be concerned and I would say are taking the appropriate measures of caution to guard against a potential malfunction that may feasibly land on Japanese territory. I'd expect my government to do that, stonewall.

  • 1

    gogogo

    Any idea where they are going to place them?

    Does anyone think this is a BAD idea? If any of the Patriot missiles malfunction there is going to be alot of questions to the had.

  • -2

    Cletus

    UnagiDon

    Armchair experts notwithstanding, it's a prudent act to do this. Your unpredictable and belligerent neighbor has stated they're going to launch a missile which may overfly your territory, in defiance of international sanctions Deploying Patriots and saying that you will shoot down a missile which threatens to fall on your territory is absolutely justified. South Korea has announced that they;re going to do exactly the same thing. Especially when you only have the word of NK for

    a) It's payload b) it's trajectory

    Yes l completely agree that Japan is entitled to shoot it down if it goes over Japanese territory but amusingly even the US doesnt believe it will go anywhere near Japan but will head south rather than east. So if Japans main ally is saying this why put on in Tokyo?

    But there is a rational reason for Patriots in Tokyo. Surprisingly, Cletus got it half-right, except he had to toss in a conspiracy theory. "Unless you intend to shot the missile down regardless and you are concerned that the NK will lob a response directly at Tokyo now that would make perfect sense......"

    Funny one there you say there is a rational reason for putting a unit in Tokyo, now what would that be l wonder? If the missile is fired over Japan and the unit in Tokyo fires to destroy it where will the missile land? The PAC 3 has a maximum range of 240km so it could land nicely in Nagoya, Toyama. If it was that big of concern you would think they would put the unit out in Nagano or Toyama way and intercept it off the coast rather than over land now wouldnt you?

    Drop the conspiracy theory and he's almost got it - you protect your capital as a contingency, for what NK might do. If this missile was judged to be a threat to Japan and was shot down near Okinawa, or even by SK or the US, you have no idea what NK will do in retaliation. If Japan does have to go ahead and intercept the missile, it makes sense to have defences in place around your capital.

    Yes by all means protect the capital. But what is having it in the capital achieving. My point is this and its really simple you place it further away to give yourself more opportunity to stop any threats that is called common sense. A launcher on the west coast of Japan can strike a missile on the way to Japan and if it misses after it passes. One in Tokyo can only attempt to stop it on the way in there is no second chance. Logic my dear friend...

  • -2

    gogogo

    We are working on procedures to deploy the Patriot in the Tokyo metropolitan area, acting on precedent,

    Precedent? What precedent are you talking about? When were they deployed before? Whatever it takes to take your mind of the nuclear problems the government is all for.

  • 0

    KariHaruka

    In one half of my opinionI think this is just scaremongering stunt. But my other half thinks its a good thing to see our self defence system put into practice so we know how to act if/when NK attacks, though I don't see that day coming. It also doesn't have to be NK, could be for if China ever decides to attack.

  • -8

    tmarie

    Chicken little?? I mean, this is perfect for Japan. They get to scaremonger, people "forget" about the nuclear cockup, think their government is actually decent, the fascists and right wing will be having a field day....

  • -2

    Lieberman2012

    Do the people here protesting this move even stop to consider what percentage of the missile components are probably Japanese?

  • 0

    UnagiDon

    Cletus;

    Yes l completely agree that Japan is entitled to shoot it down if it goes over Japanese territory but amusingly even the US doesnt believe it will go anywhere near Japan but will head south rather than east. So if Japans main ally is saying this why put on in Tokyo?

    As I said, it's a contingency. NK has already changed the planned trajectory once, do you really trust them to either launch it on the path that they've publicly announced or to not change it again? If you are in the Japanese government, are you going to put your faith in what NK says that they're going to do and not prepare for the possibility that they won't? Do you want to be the one who left Tokyo unprotected id NK changes its plan again? Politicians tend not to like those things.

    Yes by all means protect the capital. But what is having it in the capital achieving. My point is this and its really simple you place it further away to give yourself more opportunity to stop any threats that is called common sense.

    You could do this if you knew where the missile was coming from, but strangely enough the path a missile would take is not a straight line between points a & b. You need to factor in the launch angle and bearing, speed, Earth's rotation, etc., so there are multiple possible flight paths and if you had a lot of interceptors you can put them in each likely flight path. If you don't, you put them where there is maximum coverage of the capital, which would be in or near the capital. Now I'm not denying that there is some PR value to placing them by the MoD, but my point is that placing them there is not flawed when you consider everything else.

  • -1

    Wakarimasen

    notice now that no complaints about US military support uin providing the Patriots.....

  • 1

    bello420

    Like usual Japan is over-reacting and looking for some reason to deploy the PAC-3s, even though the North Korean rocket will fly well south of the Japanese home islands. I think it's just a ploy to show the public the government can defend Japan, but at what cost? Now the North Koreans see this as pre-emptive, and the Soth Koreans are like "Japan should mind their own bussiness" . It is exactly this kind of rhetoric that angers China, RK and DPRK. Now, really, does anybody think North Korea would lob a missile at Japan and ensure ther own destruction? Ridiculous. At the same time, who is the UN to say North Korea can't launch a satellite? Who made the UN owners of the skies??

  • -1

    Serrano

    Ivan at 5:52PM - Har!

  • -1

    just-a-bigguy

    Wasnt those air raid sirens of take cover was so familar 70 years ago across the cities of asia? Time has changed !

  • -1

    Ranger_Miffy2

    The hey? There are Patriot Missils in TOKYO? Where are they? In the Imperial Palace grounds? Underground in Shibuya Crossing? Perhaps Tokyo Sky Tree is one giant missile launch site?

    Once again, vitally important details missing from a JT story, unless I am blinded by pollen and residual radiation...

  • -1

    garomakaikishi

    all this is a waste of time. nothing is going to happen

  • -2

    YuriOtani

    A waste of time, perhaps. It is a good drill and deploying the pac-IIIs is a good proficiency exercise. We are told it is a satellite, of course the 3 stage could be the warhead. The Norths nukes would be huge when compared to other countries. So all we can do is wait.

  • -3

    A_cross

    Anyone here actually live in Tokyo?

    I do, and I appreciate having precautions against real or imagined threats, including earthquakes, tsunamis, fires, theft and other crimes. While welcoming the new regime in North Korea, their missile does not seem to be a message of peace.

    A neighboring nation firing a missile nearby has its own risks, such as how close it may come, how accurate their missile may be, how truthful that nation may be about its missile's purpose and what could go wrong, and Japan's government has been criticised for not taking enough precautions in the past.

    In practical terms, any PAC-3 deployment within Metropolitan Tokyo is likely to be way to the west of the city centre, Tachikawa for example. Even if the threat is overstated, what is wrong with taking precautions?

  • -3

    YuriOtani

    A_cross, nothing of course. I have some family living in Tokyo. The North could launch a weapon and then China could say to America "a attack on the North is an attack on China". The Chinese and Koreans hate us so much it is possible.

  • -2

    YuriOtani

    Bruce, Japan needs to be able to protect itself. What if the US does not fire a pac III in defense of Japan?

  • 1

    recherche88

    A couple of readers have wondered where in Tokyo the Patriot missles will be sited. The story mentions that in 2009 "Japan ordered missile-defense preparations, including the siting of one of its PAC-3 systems at Ichigaya, next to the defense ministry building in central Tokyo."

    So, possible the same location this time?

  • 0

    gelendestrasse

    I think the governmnet is right to get the PAC-III ready to go even if it proves to be just a drill. NK is so unpredictable that the JSDF needs to be ready. I don't believe the NK published data either, they have been proven to be liars on so many occaisions that there is no reason to trust them.

  • -1

    YuriOtani

    Perhaps Bruce better for Japan to defend itself. What if China threatens America if they defend us? The decision time is so very short.

  • -1

    Elbuda Mexicano

    We can joke and make silly comments about North Korea, but go over to SOUTH KOREA, and talk to the OLDER Koreans that endured the NORTH KOREAN invasion of their country and you will quickly find out that it is NO joke, so Japan had better make sure to let them commies know that it will not just sit around and let these fools launch missiles near or over Japan.

  • 0

    gyouza

    @tmarie

    They get to scaremonger, people "forget" about the nuclear cockup, think their government is actually decent,

    Actually, there are often inferences that the missiles could be nuclear armed in future!

    Anyway, todays Japanese TV showed TV footage of Patriot missile batteries being "deployed". Hopefully it is just archive footage, as stamped on the side of the launcher in large letters was the word "INERT", alongside "Ground Missile Trainer".

    In the event of an attack, I do hope they roll out the right trucks!!

  • 1

    Riffraff

    Let’s consider a few possibilities…. 1. NK launches its state of the art missile and satellite, something goes wrong and they lose control of said missile. 2. NK launches its missile in a totally different direction than stated, possibly over ML Japan. 3. NK launches its missile and it does have a warhead. 4. NK launches its missile and it comes down on Japan territory.

    Would you want to be a politician in the Japanese Government and have to tell the population that you did not prepare for these contingencies? Considering NK’s track record for technical prowess and the impeccable honesty of its government, it would be highly irresponsible for the JGOV not to deploy defenses.

  • -7

    tmarie

    The Chinese and Koreans hate us so much it is possible. The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!

    This is EXACTLY what the government and all right wingers are hoping for. Scare the public and build up the military. I thought Japan was a "peaceful" country who got along with everyone...

  • 0

    Seavey

    The missle shield systems being a near complete joke aside, I don't mind some extra protection for Tokyo. It just seems that if it were more than a PR stunt, the anti-missle systems, or at least some of them, would be placed more toward WESTERN Japan, from whence the missle(s) will come, not just on the far EASTERN side of Japan where Tokyo is. In fact, I would think it would be far wiser to place the systems outside of Tokyo even if they were necessary, since some of those anti-missles could fail and fall on Tokyo.

    Conclusion: This is fluff and a mere PR stunt. Japanese leaders are hopeless and worse than worthless, because this stuff is expensive.

  • -1

    Mikey K

    Really, I'm surprised that the majority of you think this is PR scaremongering chicken little mentality.

    The fact is, all this information about trajectory and payload IS coming from NK. If you have complete 100% trust in their word then I guess keep talking. But I for one have to take what they say with a grain of salt.

    Even if the missiles "planned trajectory" is over Okinawa. Something can always go wrong. The rocket could end up flying over ML Japan. And precautions need to be taken.

    Furthermore, while I don't think this rocket would have a nuclear payload, that doesn't mean NK wouldn't have one in the future. And if NK is simply trying to gauge world response, waiting for us to be lazy enough to NOT defend ourselves, they may just say the same thing next time and launch a real missle. Then what?

    Japan needs to take every precaution every time. You can't be too careful here. You would feel like a fool if this was just a test run for something bigger.

    I don't think they would just all out attack. But I think the idea of NK testing our weaknesses in preparation for the time to strike is not scaremongering.

    And one more thing... Anyone who thinks Japan is safe because they denounced war is blind. America is Japan's BFF and that's reason enough for terrorism and war. Sad to say, but if you're friends with their enemy, you're also their enemy.

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