Gov't to enable Japanese to marry foreign gay partners overseas

Friday 27th March, 06:23 AM JST

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Ultrashaman at 09:15 AM JST - 29th March

Don't try to force me to "accept" that you have misguided desires.

I would think that enforcing the idea that a "misguided desire" exists would be the opposite of what the LGBT community would want. Your statement seems as though you don't even believe in the possiblity of someone being homosexual, regardless of genetics or social factors.

Moral of the story: If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person.
sensei258 at 10:39 AM JST - 29th March

Homosexuality is a behavioral choice, not a genetic predisposition. It is also NOT part of a "change" that tophercdn suggested. It has been around for thousands of years. I don't actually think that rapists and pedophiles will ask for "rights". I only said that to illustrate the point that special rights should not be granted to people based on their sexual habits.
Ultrashaman at 12:29 PM JST - 29th March

Homosexuality is a behavioral choice, not a genetic predisposition.

The lack of scientific evidence in the following lines of your post really doesn't help this claim. If marriage is considered a special right, then according to you their sexual habits (i.e. being heterosexual) should not have any bearing in the ability to marry. Then, why is it that only heterosexuals should be given the right to marry?
sensei258 at 03:50 PM JST - 29th March

It is natural for the male and female of a species to procreate. It is not "natural" for a man to have sex with a man. That is a misuse, or perversion, of the original design.
tophercdn at 05:55 PM JST - 29th March

Yes same sex marriage is a change, it's a societal change, and people including those who don't agree with it are going to have to get used to the idea. I am sure there were people who did not like the idea of granting rights to woman, but it happened.

The right to marry or have a civil union has nothing to do with whether homosexuality is based on a choice or on a biological level. You don't have to agree with it just don't try to spread your idea of it being wrong or against nature, it has nothing to do with either.

The argument also has no bearing on having sex or procreating, again that's a different discussion. The original design of one man and one woman to marry until death do they part, no longer exists. You have issues with same sex couples having a married relationship, start making judgments on the adulterous heterosexual marriages, marriages that last 6 months, start your judgments on the cultures that allow for multiple wives.

Times change, laws change, society changes, it's just unfortunate that some people cannot change with them.
likeitis at 06:53 PM JST - 29th March

But keep it private and please do not make the rest of society say it is a normal natural alternative lifestyle. It is not.

OneForAll, the word "natural" is hardly your friend in this argument. Marriage is not natural no matter the genders of the partners. It is a human construct to begin with. It only goes double for recognition of marriage by the law. Further, an appendectomy is not natural either, but I bet if your appendix gets infected, you will opt to have it removed and the question of naturality won't even occur to you. So much of what we humans do is not natural. I doubt you are complaining much.
likeitis at 06:57 PM JST - 29th March

sharky1: Homosexuality is, and always will be a sexual identity disorder in my book.

You are entitled to that opinion. The question is, what does that have to do with gay marriage? I don't see any other people with mild and non-dangerous "disorders" being blocked from marrying. You?
likeitis at 07:02 PM JST - 29th March

sensei258: Why should the desire to engage in sexual activity, with members of your same sex, entitle you to "rights"?

So you think marriage is all about the desire to engage in sexual activity?

I think they are already doing it out of wed-lock. I also don't think the desire nor the frequency will be altered by the right to marry.

Anyway, you might want to rethink what you think a marriage is all about, for the sake of your own future. Marriage for sex and only for sex is a pretty bad idea overall.
sensei258 at 08:32 PM JST - 29th March

"So you think marriage is all about the desire to engage in sexual activity?" How did you make that conclusion from what I said? Don't make things up just so you can complain about them. Answer the question...Why should the desire to engage in sexual activity, with members of your same sex, entitle you to "rights"? Or are you saying that homosexuals are not defined by their preference for same-sex sexual activity?

"Marriage for sex and only for sex is a pretty bad idea overall." No sh_t.
likeitis at 08:46 PM JST - 29th March

How did you make that conclusion from what I said?

You don't get it? Let me ask you a question then: Why should the desire to engage in sexual activity, with members of the opposite sex, entitle you to "rights"?

Or, are you employing a double standard with regards to what a marriage is, the right to marry being the right of which we are speaking?

Or are you saying that homosexuals are not defined by their preference for same-sex sexual activity?

Homosexuals are so defined. But marriage is not a right granted or not based on a sexual preference nor should it be. It might be chosen by the people themselves, but that is not something the public or the government should be considering. That is like the marriage license clerk looking a couple up and down and declaring "I approve of you two bonking! Here is your license!"
goodDonkey at 09:36 PM JST - 29th March

sensei258 said:

Don't try to force me to "accept" that you have misguided desires.

Far be it for the rest of the world to try forcefully push tolerance on you. You don't have to accept anything but the world will let gays marry as time goes on and there is absolutely nothing you, OneForAll or Sharky1 can do to stop it. Many of us have tried to be understanding of homophobes for years now we are just going to do the right thing in spite of your protests.

sensei258 sure does go on and on in opposition to gays.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much

Ultrashaman said it best when he or she stated, "Moral of the story: If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person."
nurse13 at 03:59 AM JST - 30th March

In this case, I think it's best for us to agree to disagree in other words, to agree that some of us have different opinions concerning this matter.
sensei258 at 07:09 AM JST - 30th March

Notice how some of the "pro-gay" crowd resort to name calling and insinuating things about my "preference", but nobody has answered the question yet.

goodDonkey - why should I have to "tolerate" something that's wrong? I am not a homophobe either. I just think your sexual practices should be kept private, and not entitle you to special"rights".
tophercdn at 08:18 AM JST - 30th March

Everybody has to tolerate it for the same reason as misogynists having to tolerate woman's rights, white supremacists having to tolerate black rights, Christians having to tolerate different religious views, because society is telling you so.

Everyone's sexual practice should be kept private there is no doubt in that, however I should be free to walk down the street holding my partners hand, and I should feel comfortable giving my partner a kiss at the airport when he leaves the country, I should not have to worry about someone yelling an obscene word, or resorting to physical violence.

Until you have been in a situation where you know a group of people vehemently hate you, you won't be able to understand why a group of people want some special rights so they can live their lives without fear.

This is all why you have to tolerate something that you think is "wrong".
goodDonkey at 01:39 PM JST - 1st April

I am so glad to live in the days where the ignorant are losing politically. They have forced their "wrong" ideas on the rest of the world for far too long. Those who say that gay practices are wrong are just ignorant. They will fade away with the generations.