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Nutricycle
Most of the foreign workers at Nova, where not long term residents in Japan, in fact they were people using Student Visa or Working Visa Holders, then if the relation between the company (sponsor of the visa) and the foreign worker is finished, at first there is no reason to continue in Japan, if they came to Japan only to work at Nova, or if they obtained that Working Visa to stay joining that company, because it had a "purpose" (work in that company), then if they lost their jobs they must go back to their countries (IF THEY ARE NOT LONG TERM RESIDENTS), because there is no "purpose" to continue here, then they won't be homeless, because when they've noticed about their laboral condition they should be ready to leave Japan and go back to their contries, they wouldnt have any reason to continue, because the sponsorship of their visas is over.
This is historical year for 2009, and we will now we all wonder how 2010 can repair all this or even make broke the whole world so that we can turn back to 'stone age.' Will only 'CEO and DIRECTORS' survive to enjoy their privacy in apartments? This 'Yen' soup was boiling for a long time, but no one will look into it. And now all this poor workers are paying for it, because of stupidity of 'world economy watch dogs.’ ‘ALL OF YOU HOLD ON TO YOUR MONEY.’
In my view and strong believe is; Japanese lawmakers should turn around the table, and bring back manufacturing sector, instead making their products off shore. There isn't many products made in Japan like it was years back, also to mention with a good quality, and now slowly manufacturing sector is disappearing and bread and butter taken away from people, and rowing p[poverty by day. ‘Do not create fracas with poverty but love your own people, do not get your people to suffer from ‘mud phobia.’
I thought initially that shiuu was trolling, but now I see that he's serious. The bailouts of 2008 are worth more (even when factoring inflation) than all other bailouts of the 20th century. It might be like the great depression of the 1930s all over again, except worse. When all your friends are living in a tent city, who will you turn to? "Get a job" and "don't be lazy" don't really apply when there are no jobs to go around. When the people in the states get re-hired to new positions, what kind of pay cuts are they taking to get any kind of work? The fact that people with means are buying gold and platinum shows that there are some serious problems coming in 2009.
I'd love to get some help with my fixer-upper (an old Japanese-style hotel with lots of space), just west of Tokyo. How can I contact the organizers of that tent city-turned-gov. shelter group...? Room and board to a family in exchange for a little construction and repair seems mutually beneficial to me. Anyone have a suggestion for getting some shelter and meals to a homeless family who doesn't mine earning it...?
Some people whinging about their tax are not well spent by government! They said they do not want to spend for unemployment or homeless. They are so naive & they do not understand about the how the economy works. Money or Tax or printed paper has no real value. It is just a legal tender or exchanging the goods. Government can print the money as much as he can even without the Tax. However printing too much will make money worth less. Government collecting the tax is not only for revenue but also maintaining the money exchange value.
When the economy going well or consumers consumption is high, printed money is well circulated. Goods & service are more demanded by consumers. Therefore employment & business opportunities are increased. Government will stop printing the money. Even government will increase the tax or interest rate for making less circulation of money. It means more monies are stored in the banks instead of consumption.
When the economy is weak, the government need to stimulate the consumption from oversea or domestic. Government may have trade or budget surplus for spending. If not govenment will print more money. Government will spend the public works for infrastructure projects or social service like Aged care, Disabled care & homeless & unemployment assistance. It there is more jobless & homeless, the government will get less tax or revenue. It is a national interest for helping those people for getting productive.
It is not one way traffic. Someone who got a job or accomodation or run own business, he or she will demand more goods & service. Beause of this demand, more business & jobs will be created. Government will get more Tax. Money circulation will be increased. If no one spend, everyone will lose jobs.
Economy is not born with silver spoon. Like a growing the plant, it needs to nuture, it needs to feed chemical, it needs to water & protect the sunlight. No economy will sustain for high growth forever because it is a life cyle. However we can maintain for long lasting effect with smart policies.
When all your friends are living in a tent city, who will you turn to? "Get a job" and "don't be lazy" don't really apply when there are no jobs to go around.
There is very little chance any of my friends will end up in tent city. First, because most are hard working and responsible and would never give up so easily. Second, because I would step up and take care of them before that happened.
How is it these homeless guys lived their lives such that they don't have one friend ... not one ... who will step up and give them a hand now?
Nobody here is worried about your friends or about you, because according to you nothing will happen to you. We all are posting about homeless people in Japan who is having hard problems, and we show our concern about it... at first you don't mind about japanese people, second about legal residents here and finally you dont mind about they both in case they turn to be homeless, then stop saying about "You Lucky" people will solve your situation, nobody here is worried about you, even you can leave the country anytime you want.
"There is very little chance any of my friends will end up in tent city. First, because most are hard working and responsible and would never give up so easily. Second, because I would step up and take care of them before that happened."
Either you live in a small world or a dream world, I wish I can wake you up to reality. I can safely say that of the new number of jobless, most are "hard working and responsible and would never give up so easily."
Jinseinosensei, you're offering shelter to a homeless family? How many homeless families have you seen in Japan? The homeless here are overwhelmingly single men. And say you did find a homeless family, would you really put the children to work? This isn't Dickensian London.
“It is unforgivable that Japan’s major companies have thrown so many workers out on the streets at the end of the year,” he said.
Its unforgivable that the Government did intervene in the strong Yen early on but of course the rich that took full advantage of it duly paid their kick backs.
Shiuu, it was me who called you on it in the other thread. I'm sure your friends would put you up and vice versa, but would they do it indefinitely? I find that hard to believe. I would open my home to my close friends for days, weeks but not indefinitely. After a month or two at most I'd expect them to make alternative arrangements. I'd be lying if I said otherwise.
Also this may sound harsh but there are 'levels' of friendship so to speak. In hard times you may find that some people you considered good friends only see you as an acquaintance. I hope for your sake you never get to find out.
Shiuu, it was me who called you on it in the other thread. I'm sure your friends would put you up and vice versa, but would they do it indefinitely?
I understand your point. In the unlikely event one of my very good friends plopped down on my couch and said, "Well, I'm all done trying, now support me forever," things would likely be different. As long as they're making an effort, however, I'd help my friends out indefinitely.
Now before anyone jumps in with "Oh, but they are trying," then why don't they have one ... one ... friend who is willing to put them up while they're making a legitimate effort to get back on their feet?
There is very little chance any of my friends will end up in tent city. First, because blah blah blah....
One little thing shiuu doesn't take into account is the fact that not every one is born with his average-or-above IQ and superior academic capabilities. Not everyone is born with parents willing and able to support them through higher education (a necessity in Japan, where tuition fees are steep and taking a few years off to earn one's own tuition (via haken?....) is not normally indulged and puts a person at a distinct disadvantage. Not everyone is university material. Not everyone is born with good health and the ability to scramble up the career ladder. And let's not forget (as shiuu has done, or maybe he never realised it in the first place) people tend to make friends with people in similar circumstances to themselves, which means that if a man is standing in the soup queue for a bowl of soup, it's more than likely that his best friends are standing there with him.
The current overflow of jobless/homeless is the result of the economic climate, not the result of people being feckless or unwilling to work.
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omarbabilon at 02:23 PM JST - 4th January
And: Nutricycle Most of the foreign workers at Nova, where not long term residents in Japan, in fact they were people using Student Visa or Working Visa Holders, then if the relation between the company (sponsor of the visa) and the foreign worker is finished, at first there is no reason to continue in Japan, if they came to Japan only to work at Nova, or if they obtained that Working Visa to stay joining that company, because it had a "purpose" (work in that company), then if they lost their jobs they must go back to their countries (IF THEY ARE NOT LONG TERM RESIDENTS), because there is no "purpose" to continue here, then they won't be homeless, because when they've noticed about their laboral condition they should be ready to leave Japan and go back to their contries, they wouldnt have any reason to continue, because the sponsorship of their visas is over.
BBLeo at 02:52 PM JST - 4th January
This is historical year for 2009, and we will now we all wonder how 2010 can repair all this or even make broke the whole world so that we can turn back to 'stone age.' Will only 'CEO and DIRECTORS' survive to enjoy their privacy in apartments? This 'Yen' soup was boiling for a long time, but no one will look into it. And now all this poor workers are paying for it, because of stupidity of 'world economy watch dogs.’ ‘ALL OF YOU HOLD ON TO YOUR MONEY.’
BBLeo at 03:06 PM JST - 4th January
In my view and strong believe is; Japanese lawmakers should turn around the table, and bring back manufacturing sector, instead making their products off shore. There isn't many products made in Japan like it was years back, also to mention with a good quality, and now slowly manufacturing sector is disappearing and bread and butter taken away from people, and rowing p[poverty by day. ‘Do not create fracas with poverty but love your own people, do not get your people to suffer from ‘mud phobia.’
studebaker at 03:12 PM JST - 4th January
I thought initially that shiuu was trolling, but now I see that he's serious. The bailouts of 2008 are worth more (even when factoring inflation) than all other bailouts of the 20th century. It might be like the great depression of the 1930s all over again, except worse. When all your friends are living in a tent city, who will you turn to? "Get a job" and "don't be lazy" don't really apply when there are no jobs to go around. When the people in the states get re-hired to new positions, what kind of pay cuts are they taking to get any kind of work? The fact that people with means are buying gold and platinum shows that there are some serious problems coming in 2009.
JinseiNoSensei at 03:19 PM JST - 4th January
I'd love to get some help with my fixer-upper (an old Japanese-style hotel with lots of space), just west of Tokyo. How can I contact the organizers of that tent city-turned-gov. shelter group...? Room and board to a family in exchange for a little construction and repair seems mutually beneficial to me. Anyone have a suggestion for getting some shelter and meals to a homeless family who doesn't mine earning it...?
Athletes at 03:29 PM JST - 4th January
Some people whinging about their tax are not well spent by government! They said they do not want to spend for unemployment or homeless. They are so naive & they do not understand about the how the economy works. Money or Tax or printed paper has no real value. It is just a legal tender or exchanging the goods. Government can print the money as much as he can even without the Tax. However printing too much will make money worth less. Government collecting the tax is not only for revenue but also maintaining the money exchange value.
When the economy going well or consumers consumption is high, printed money is well circulated. Goods & service are more demanded by consumers. Therefore employment & business opportunities are increased. Government will stop printing the money. Even government will increase the tax or interest rate for making less circulation of money. It means more monies are stored in the banks instead of consumption.
When the economy is weak, the government need to stimulate the consumption from oversea or domestic. Government may have trade or budget surplus for spending. If not govenment will print more money. Government will spend the public works for infrastructure projects or social service like Aged care, Disabled care & homeless & unemployment assistance. It there is more jobless & homeless, the government will get less tax or revenue. It is a national interest for helping those people for getting productive.
It is not one way traffic. Someone who got a job or accomodation or run own business, he or she will demand more goods & service. Beause of this demand, more business & jobs will be created. Government will get more Tax. Money circulation will be increased. If no one spend, everyone will lose jobs.
Economy is not born with silver spoon. Like a growing the plant, it needs to nuture, it needs to feed chemical, it needs to water & protect the sunlight. No economy will sustain for high growth forever because it is a life cyle. However we can maintain for long lasting effect with smart policies.
shiuu at 03:38 PM JST - 4th January
There is very little chance any of my friends will end up in tent city. First, because most are hard working and responsible and would never give up so easily. Second, because I would step up and take care of them before that happened.
How is it these homeless guys lived their lives such that they don't have one friend ... not one ... who will step up and give them a hand now?
They need to try harder.
omarbabilon at 03:47 PM JST - 4th January
Nobody here is worried about your friends or about you, because according to you nothing will happen to you. We all are posting about homeless people in Japan who is having hard problems, and we show our concern about it... at first you don't mind about japanese people, second about legal residents here and finally you dont mind about they both in case they turn to be homeless, then stop saying about "You Lucky" people will solve your situation, nobody here is worried about you, even you can leave the country anytime you want.
torosushi at 04:34 PM JST - 4th January
To shiuu at 03:38 PM JST - 4th January
Either you live in a small world or a dream world, I wish I can wake you up to reality. I can safely say that of the new number of jobless, most are "hard working and responsible and would never give up so easily."
Apsara at 05:00 PM JST - 4th January
Jinseinosensei, you're offering shelter to a homeless family? How many homeless families have you seen in Japan? The homeless here are overwhelmingly single men. And say you did find a homeless family, would you really put the children to work? This isn't Dickensian London.
bobbafett at 06:26 PM JST - 4th January
Its unforgivable that the Government did intervene in the strong Yen early on but of course the rich that took full advantage of it duly paid their kick backs.
bobbafett at 06:26 PM JST - 4th January
Government did not...
rurika at 10:46 PM JST - 4th January
Shiuu, it was me who called you on it in the other thread. I'm sure your friends would put you up and vice versa, but would they do it indefinitely? I find that hard to believe. I would open my home to my close friends for days, weeks but not indefinitely. After a month or two at most I'd expect them to make alternative arrangements. I'd be lying if I said otherwise.
Also this may sound harsh but there are 'levels' of friendship so to speak. In hard times you may find that some people you considered good friends only see you as an acquaintance. I hope for your sake you never get to find out.
shiuu at 08:35 AM JST - 5th January
I understand your point. In the unlikely event one of my very good friends plopped down on my couch and said, "Well, I'm all done trying, now support me forever," things would likely be different. As long as they're making an effort, however, I'd help my friends out indefinitely.
Now before anyone jumps in with "Oh, but they are trying," then why don't they have one ... one ... friend who is willing to put them up while they're making a legitimate effort to get back on their feet?
They need to try harder.
cleo at 09:27 AM JST - 5th January
One little thing shiuu doesn't take into account is the fact that not every one is born with his average-or-above IQ and superior academic capabilities. Not everyone is born with parents willing and able to support them through higher education (a necessity in Japan, where tuition fees are steep and taking a few years off to earn one's own tuition (via haken?....) is not normally indulged and puts a person at a distinct disadvantage. Not everyone is university material. Not everyone is born with good health and the ability to scramble up the career ladder. And let's not forget (as shiuu has done, or maybe he never realised it in the first place) people tend to make friends with people in similar circumstances to themselves, which means that if a man is standing in the soup queue for a bowl of soup, it's more than likely that his best friends are standing there with him.
The current overflow of jobless/homeless is the result of the economic climate, not the result of people being feckless or unwilling to work.
Loose translation = shiuu's all right Jack.