Historians research Japanese Pearl Harbor dead

Shock! Horror! Maybe they were shot down by the fleet they attacked!

Historians tend to be far more specific than that Francis.

A nice, gesture, I guess, if the Japanese were willing to engrave the names of the Doolittle raiders or the crews of other bombers shot down over or around Japan on Japanese public monuments. LOL! That'll be the day!

JeffLeeSep. 08, 2013 - 08:01AM JST A nice, gesture, I guess, if the Japanese were willing to engrave the names of the Doolittle raiders or the crews of >other bombers shot down over or around Japan on Japanese public monuments. LOL! That'll be the day!

LOL is right considering that all Doolittle Raid planes either made it or went down in China or Chinese waters, except for one that ended up in the USSR. None went down in Japan, However, if you want to talk about pilots that went down over Japan:

'On the morning of April 15, 1945, in the closing days of World War II, a Grumman TBF Avenger, assigned to the carrier USS Makassar Strait, was shot down off the costs of Ishigaki Island by the Imperial Japanese Navy. The three aviators parachuted in to the water near Ohama and swam to a coral reef where they were captured by Japanese sailors. After being interrogated and tortured they were executed during the night at the foot of Mount Banna, at the Imperial Navy Headquarters. The torture of prisoners of war was a violation of the Geneva Convention, the rules of war signed by the international community in 1929. Vernon L.Tebo and Robert Tuggle Jr. were beheaded. Warren H.Loyd was beaten and stabbed with bayonets by numerous numbers of sailors and soldiers. This incident was a tragedy which took place during war.

Lt.Vernon L.Tebo, 28, a Navy pilot of Illionois Aviation Radioman 1st Class Warren H. Loyd, 24, of Kansas Aviation Ordnance 1st Class Robert Tuggle.Jr.,20, of Texas

To console the spirits of the three fallen American service members and to honor their deaths, we jointly dedicate this monument in the hope that this memorial stone will contribute to the everlasting peace and friendship between Japan and the United States, and that this monument will serve as a cornerstone to convey to future generations our keen desire for eternal peace in the world and our determination to renounce war.

August 15 2001

The Joint Committe of Japanese and American Citizens to Honor the Three Fallen Servicemembers During World War II."

Ossan, indeed, remorse for torturing and executing downed pilots, expressed by a small private ad-hoc group...that consists of Americans! That clearly ISN'T the case in Hawaii in the article. You're citing proverbial apples and oranges.

The USS Arizona is one of America's most significant public monuments, like the Hiroshima memorial in Japan.

"None went down in Japan."

Yes, that's true, but one bomber went down in Japanese-occupied territory, where Japanese soldiers executed three of the Americans.

Japan was not a participant in the Geneva Convention.

American soldiers executed captured Japanese soldiers just as brutally. The intelligence units of the U.S. military were frustrated at not having prisoners to interrogate. They were all being killed after they surrendered. The U.S. Marines boiled their skulls and drank from them and killed them just to collect ears as trophies. They didn't want to be bothered with prisoners.

Finally, they offered the troops ice cream in exchange for turning in Japanese soldiers and finally some POWs were taken.

The point is that all sides were/are brutal, including U.S. troops. If someone thinks otherwise, they're a naive fool.

War is not as pretty as Hollywood wants us to believe it is!

Imperial Japan never signed that agreement. Also as darn name points out the Americans and their allies often refused to take prisoners and harvested their body parts. There is a famous picture of a woman looking at a Japanese skull sent by her boyfriend. It was on the cover of Life Magazine May 1944. They are still finding Japanese skulls and other body parts today. So it is really America in denial.

A day of of cowards, on par with 9-11. Do not blame those who carried out the orders. But thoses who ordered this shameful cowardly act should be buried upside down wrapped in pig skins. Harsh but fair.

CrickySep. 08, 2013 - 02:57PM JST A day of of cowards, on par with 9-11. Do not blame those who carried out the orders. But thoses who ordered this shameful cowardly act should be buried upside down wrapped in pig skins. Harsh but fair.

If I were in the U.S. right now I'd be shutting the hell up about cowardice. At least Pearl Harbor was a military target. What about the current drone raids on innocent civilians doing stuff like trying to get married?

... No, I'd be very, very careful about saying anything about anyone else....

Imperial Japan never signed that agreement.

Oh well that makes it all alright then!

JeffLeeSEP. 08, 2013 - 08:01AM JST A nice, gesture, I guess, if the Japanese were willing to engrave the names of the Doolittle raiders or the crews of other bombers shot down over or around Japan on Japanese public monuments. LOL! That'll be the day!

I haven't heard of any monuments for the Doolittle raiders but the prefectural government of Okinawa through private and government funds have a monument much like the Vietnam Veterans Monument with names of those that lost their lives during the battle of Okinawa. These names include the Okinawa civilians, Japanese Imperial troops, troops and civilians from occupied Korea, Taiwan, and other occupied territories of the old Japanese Empire and all Allied troops that lost their lives during the battle. The list of names are updated periodically when surviving relatives inform the managers of the monument that their father, mother, brother, sister, or other relatives names are missing from the list and yes they do update the names of the Allied troops also because the surviving relatives of the Allied forces do come and visit the site and the island that their loved ones spent their last hours on.

pearl harbor is an interesting time, a radar system that was not believed, warning signals that were not believed , a lot of disbelief that anyone would make a move on a main port.

consider the similarities to today- sanctions a country so that it cannot get oil or other raw goods, have enough effect you expect if you are the bigger country to just topple the government- not get a military response- correct?

regardless of the painful memories on both sides -and there are many- this was the one time a sanctioned country did attack the larger one at it's home port.

If anyone had believed the early warning signs the attack would probably had failed, even if basic security was up in port and on ships it would have failed - but who would have thought that Japan would have attacked?

I am glad that continued reconciliation is going on between our countries, especially around this landmark incident - now if we can only reconcile what we did to the nisei population

JeffLeeSep. 08, 2013 - 09:46AM JST Ossan, indeed, remorse for torturing and executing downed pilots, expressed by a small private ad-hoc group...that >consists of Americans! That clearly ISN'T the case in Hawaii in the article. You're citing proverbial apples and oranges.

Your statement referring to Doolittle Raid pilots going down in Japan made no sense. That's all. And whatever WWII hater you want to abdicate, the fact is that US-Japan military relations are better now than ever in the last 70 years, as are relations even between WWII veterans.

The USS Arizona is one of America's most significant public monuments, like the Hiroshima memorial in Japan.

"The New York Times Magazine disclosed in 1975 that 10 Americans died in Hiroshima. Mori’s research found that two names were still missing: Second Lt. Joseph Dubinsky and Ensign John Hantschel. Mori set about adding the names of the 12 U.S. servicemembers to the official registry book kept at the Hiroshima Memorial Hall for Atomic Bomb Victims, and at the Hall of Remembrance, where the names and photos of the victims are displayed. It took years before he was able to track down the families of all 12, finishing in July 2009."

"None went down in Japan."

Yes, that's true, but one bomber went down in Japanese-occupied territory, where Japanese soldiers executed three >of the Americans.

And a mermorial was built, not ignored.

I am not against it or pro , but please someone tell that Daniel Martinez , that yes we are friends, but I do believe that Japanese Historians wrote the names of those who died in Pearl Harbor , at the Yasukuni Shrine!

and Its a big contradiction for Yasukuni Shrine , for other Asian countries!!

No matter the circumstances of the battle, families deserve to know what happened to their loved ones, hopefully in more detail than "presumed killed in action."

Americans can give me the thumbs down but it is the truth. On Okinawa the American dead are remembered but nowhere within the United States. Only Americans are remembered or their Allies. The dead Americans are remembered at Hiroshima but not Pearl Harbor. The problem is Americans see nothing wrong. We are still stereotyped as evil people.

YuriOtaniSep. 09, 2013 - 01:57AM JST The problem is Americans see nothing wrong. We are still stereotyped as evil people.

I think you're partly right. For Americans to see Japanese people today as nice they'd have to admit that many Japanese people (like the civilians they fire-bombed in WW2) were also probably nice. They simply can't accept that perhaps they were wrong.

In short, the U.S. is the most arrogant country in the world, incapable of admitting it has done wrong, even when clearly confronted with evidence of its wrongdoing (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan... its a long list).

Bad2DboneSep. 09, 2013 - 12:53AM JST I am not against it or pro , but please someone tell that Daniel Martinez , that yes we are friends, but I do believe that >Japanese Historians wrote the names of those who died in Pearl Harbor , at the Yasukuni Shrine!

So what's the problem? The names of Japanese soldiers who died in battle are enshrined there and goes back to the late 1800s. Some 2.4 million names. Those lost opr presumed lost at Peartl Harbor would naturally be included.

and Its a big contradiction for Yasukuni Shrine , for other Asian countries!!

That's only China an Souh Korea who make a problem out of nothing to advnce their anti-Japan political and diplomatic agendas. Most of Asia does not harp on it.

YuriOtani: "The dead Americans are remembered at Hiroshima but not Pearl Harbor."

Are you being serious? Pearl Harbor IS a monument to those who died. You should be happy the US is not denying the past, like ahem some nations.

YuriOtani: There is a famous picture of a woman looking at a Japanese skull sent by her boyfriend. It was on the cover of Life Magazine May 1944.

This simply isn't true. Listed below are Life Magazine covers for all of May 1944. As shown, none included a picture of a woman looking at a Japanese skull. Matter of fact, no such Life Magazine cover appeared during 1944 or at any othere time during 1941-1945 (see http://2neatmagazines.com/life/1944.html).

May 1, 1944 : Cover - Airmen's homecoming, Harold Vita with Richard Kovacks.

May 8, 1944 : Cover - American designers, Lynn Davis modeling a suit by Hattie Carnegie.

May 15, 1944 : Cover - General Bernard Law Montgomery.

May 22, 1944 : Cover - Model Mother, Natalie Reid and son Michael.

May 29, 1944: Cover - General “Tooey” Spaatz.

I don't think they all died.. a few of them crashed and they just stayed in Hawaii.. starting grocery stores, resort hotels, JTV, sushi restaurants and Udon shops.

@YuriOtani

We are still stereotyped as evil people.

Widen your vision please. Do you realize that you are stereotyping Americans as evil people who stereotype Japanese as evil people? Enough of the stereotyping already!

ToshiYori: "This simply isn't true."

Yuri has a tendency to make things up based on the hatred of the country she resides in. When caught in a lie and/or embarrassed she then backtracks. Thank you for the link.

I do hope they can find any and all info that they don't already know. It's been a long time, but there are still some people that can be given closure.

What I meant to write is Japan remembers the American War dead but the Americans do not remember the Japanese war dead.