Hundreds in Tokyo rally against China

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OssanAmericaSep. 23, 2012 - 07:09AM JST

800 isn't really alot of people. But then they are right that China is "facist" and brutal. Seems to me like China has caused more damage than it really wanted to. Seems like a popular thing to do these days in that part of the world. I have to thank China though as because of the attitudes and actions, collective defense has inched more closer to implementation.
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TigersTokyoDomeSep. 23, 2012 - 07:45AM JST

We could do without these idiots sticking their oar in as well. No different from the demonstrators in China.
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davidnorellSep. 23, 2012 - 07:48AM JST

The reason China goes after Japan is because of Japan's constitution against using WAR as a means of solving problems. Same goes with South Korea. These two nations take advantage of Japan's constitution and it is a Coward's way of extending their dominion. China is good at especially. They have successfully taken over Tibet and Parts of India and other countries threatening even more problems if they fight them on this. China and South Korea wish for Japan to just give up on its outlying islands so they can expand their dominion of Sea control without firing one shot! China, organized its protests through their proxies bussed in from other locations throughout their country. Japan is not as organized, and that is good thing, this protest was organized by individuals which took longer than state sponsored protests. If Japan was like it was before World War II it would have been very similar in practice like China's.
It is sad to say that Japan may revert to a more aggressively constructed constitution if the voting public decide that present government is not strong enough to stand up to its more aggressive neighbors. The big problem is that Japan is a country of extremes. It seems that either Japan is peace loving or too aggressive. The pendulum seems to be now swinging back to a more assertive Japan. Much of this is caused by China and South Korea and they will be ultimately to blame for the shift back to this more aggressive nature.
It is my hope that this will be a Japan that will be mindful of its past and try to be a better country than its neighbors. It should be more assertive but not going back to the style that existed up to the end of 1945.
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Jay QueSep. 23, 2012 - 08:55AM JST

yay!
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Eric SchneiderSep. 23, 2012 - 08:55AM JST

the difference between the Chinese and Japanese protesters is that the Japanese didn't smash anything.
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OssanAmericaSep. 23, 2012 - 08:56AM JST

TigersTokyoDomeSep. 23, 2012 - 07:45AM JST We could do without these idiots sticking their oar in as well. No different from the demonstrators in China.

I'll agree with that when they start smashing Chinese retaurants, attacking the Chinese Embassy and assaulting innocent Chinese people.
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OssanAmericaSep. 23, 2012 - 08:59AM JST

Considering the way Japan has been since 1945 to present, the shift towards the right that China and to a lesser degree South Korea has caused is really not a shift to the right, but a shift to the center.
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Ch1n4SailorSep. 23, 2012 - 09:04AM JST

shouting: “We will never give in to China’s military threat!”

If any of these people had a clue about what Japan did to Asia, especially China and Korea, there's no way they would be do anything like this, they would have their heads hung low in shame.

The Japanese right-wing History Reform Commissions have been successful beyond their wildest imaginations!

Who would have thought, that the Japan, that inflicted so much death and destruction on all of Asian 70 Years ago, would be running around like a bad alcoholic that gets drunk, beats his wife, burns down his neighbors house, rapes his neighbor's wife and kids, then passes out cold in his front yard and wakes up the next morning like nothing happened. wondering why all his neighbors are giving him the evil eye....

It is my hope that this will be a Japan that will be mindful of its past and try to be a better country than its neighbors.

Not so far.... Me thinks not, but we'll see
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KariHarukaSep. 23, 2012 - 09:21AM JST

We could do without these idiots sticking their oar in as well. No different from the demonstrators in China.

Besides no attacks against the chinese embassy, chinese people, chinese businesses, chinese shops/restuarants. Theres a big difference between voicing your views in a peaceful demonstration and just going on a rampage like a bunch of animals smashing stuff up.
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blackrockSep. 23, 2012 - 09:22AM JST

hey Mr. Ch1n4, you do realize that it happened 80 years ago, when the whole world was in war, don't you? Agree, the Japanese MILITARY was terrible back then, so did the Chinese (1950s - late 1980s: terrorized their own people and the recent incidence; 1970s - today: bullying their neighbors; pre-1900s: invaded their neighbors countless times), South Korean (SK mercenaries in Vietnam war for example), NATO & US (bombing, killing countless militants & civilians alike). The Germans and Japanese did really learn their lessons, and moved on to become wonderful, peaceful nations as of today and gain respects from most of us (not including you of course).

Chinese and Koreans have to get their heads out of the mud and stop those silly actions.
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Elbuda MexicanoSep. 23, 2012 - 09:32AM JST

Japan and the Japanese have a right to protest! Please do not do it with violence like these fools over in China. Japan must show the world that they have more brains, and SOFT POWER not animal like hard power that the masses in China have been brain washed into thinking will solve their problems.
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RwatersSep. 23, 2012 - 09:33AM JST

Ch1n4Sailor please learn to use a history book better and remove the blinkers u have.

China korea invaded japan around 1200 Mongol invasions of Japan the numerous invasions of china in history it its own neighbours and the poor treatment of its old citizens.

If you examine the time there was a exiled former emperor of china that asked japan to invade and reseat him on the throne if i am not mistaken around.

So do not accuse Japan of being the only hostile nation in the area look at the invasions rapes and abuses by these so precious chinese that you hold so high.

I guess the chinese hackers trying to hack Guildwars 2 accounts is a reaction to giving it to the world too ?
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WolfpackSep. 23, 2012 - 09:34AM JST

In a few more years with China's military buildup and America's huge debt and decline the Japanese may want to keep their cool in confrontations with China. Should Obama win re-election it is all but assured that America's decline will accelerate. Without a strong ally, Japan will not be able to keep the Chinese from pushing them around at will.
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TigersTokyoDomeSep. 23, 2012 - 09:39AM JST

Ossan and Kari Haruka, you might want to research my posts for the past month. I am extremely pro-Japanese in this dispute, and I am very strongly against Chinese and Koreans in 2012 causing issues for Japan and bringing up WWII all over again. HOWEVER. We can also do without these copycats. What is there for them to demonstrate against except bring these troubles to the surface again just when things have calmed down in China? The islands are owned by Japan so I don't see the need for them to demonstrate. If the Japanese want the world to regard them as peaceful in 2012 then don't copy the Chinese with demonstrations. Let them do that.
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VladKSep. 23, 2012 - 09:41AM JST

How many were flown in, and paid to attend, with cash and free lunches?

And they were not protesting China, as the headline tries to mislead us. They were protesting the Chinese government.

But they should have protested Shintaro Ishihara, because without that buffoon, this would not be such an issue right now.

“We will never give in to China’s military threat!”

Or is it a fishing boat threat? You remember the 1000 fishing boats that didn't show right? I guess it was just a threat after all!
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NZ2011Sep. 23, 2012 - 09:47AM JST

War is terrible and during war terrible crimes are committed by all sides.

Looking back through rose tinted glasses at history doesn't help anyone either but if you believe that grandchildren are responsible for their grandparents crimes when will we ever truly be able to move on as species.

There are so many people suffering around the world and in our own countries, there already isn't enough for everyone to live a first world life, if you want your country to be great then act in a great way, but war... War only makes weapon makers rich and the rest of us poor when we suffer and lose friends, family and our country persons.

Do not want for war and violence but peace and diplomacy so that we can all have safe, happy and stable lives.
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JoeBigsSep. 23, 2012 - 09:52AM JST

How interesting, Japanese protesters walk, talk and act civilized while the PRC funded ones yelled, threw things, burnt buildings, attacked Japaese and acted uncivilized.

Maybe in a hundred years the PRC will grow up and joined the rest of the civilized world.
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Stephen JezSep. 23, 2012 - 09:53AM JST

"We will never give in to China's military threat"

Does anyone else find this ironic? We all know that if there was some sort of Chinese military action against Japan that it would probably be the US military who responded. Yet, I be some of these same bozos have been at anti-US military protests, like the recent Osprey issue they like to blow out of proportion.

So basically they're saying that, while hiding behind the US military, who they also like to criticize. This is exactly why I can't take Japanese protesters seriously. I be those Osprey are looking pretty good right now.
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JoeBigsSep. 23, 2012 - 09:54AM JST

TigersTokyoDomeSep. 23, 2012 - 07:45AM JST We could do without these idiots sticking their oar in as well. No different from the demonstrators in China.

I must of missed it, but did these protesters burndown any Chinese busnisses, attack their embassy or act uncivilized?

If they did could you please paste a link where it shows this.
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chucky3176Sep. 23, 2012 - 10:01AM JST

China and South Korea wish for Japan to just give up on its outlying islands so they can expand their dominion of Sea control without firing one shot!

Don't try to put South Korea with China, as if they're the same. Unlike China, there are no people burning down Japanese things and rioting on the streets. And unlike Japan, where Japanese make death threats, harassing Korean tourists, and making racist hate protests against Koreans, no such things are done against the Japanese in Korea. Look in your mirrors. Furthermore, Dokto has been held by Korea for 60 years, it's only now Japanese are making a big deal over it after they found natural gas. Korea doesn't expand any sea, look at the territorial maps, Japan's claims are four times Korea's, which keeps shrinking each year Japan and China makes more and more claims. Japan has always been a racist right wing facists at heart. Nothing has changed. The only difference is that Japan is only now coming out and showing their true face.
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HinikuSep. 23, 2012 - 10:03AM JST

You wait.... they say they're not violent.... but they're human.
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VladKSep. 23, 2012 - 10:14AM JST

We all know that if there was some sort of Chinese military action against Japan that it would probably be the US military who responded.

The Japanese have a fine navy and SDF and they would also be there responding to any military action against Japan. There is zero irony here, although I do sense a LOT of ego.
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yosunSep. 23, 2012 - 10:27AM JST

There's not any one person died for all protests either in China or Japen or Taiwan means oriental civilization is superior to those western civilization deeply influenced protests happened in other place recently.
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Macpaul Emeka EkwuemeSep. 23, 2012 - 10:43AM JST

@ Chuck... Or Pak, point of correction, it's Takeshima not Dokdo. Get the name correct at least.
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CrazedinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 10:43AM JST

Nice to see a peaceful protest done without the destruction and vandalism of property. This going to be noticed around the world and will set Japan apart from China in regards to peaceful protesting.

@yosun maybe if you type in the correct key words you'll come up with some dirt on ar least two of the countries you mentioned. As for being superior ??? In what sense? That China can hold a national demostrarion and coordinate large scale destruction of property while allowing civil unrest ?? If this is what is meant by that statement ...then yes ...superior .
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chucky3176Sep. 23, 2012 - 10:47AM JST

Nice to see a peaceful protest

Yeah, "peaceful" protests full of nationalist bigots waving their flag, shouting racist insults through bull horns. lol peaceful indeed.
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noriyosan73Sep. 23, 2012 - 10:49AM JST

"Tit for tat" and the Chinese will not like it. Plus, no Chinese property was destroyed. Keep going people. When your right , your right.
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OssanAmericaSep. 23, 2012 - 10:51AM JST

Ch1n4SailorSep. 23, 2012 - 09:04AM JST

shouting: “We will never give in to China’s military threat!”

A sentiment shared not only by Japan but by the Phillipines, Vietnam, Malaysia...

If any of these people had a clue about what Japan did to Asia, especially China and Korea, there's no way they >would be do anything like this, they would have their heads hung low in shame.

Korea was part of the Japanese Empire. Chinese who support China's current aggression should hang their heads in shame. Instead they're posting propaganda all over the internet.

The Japanese right-wing History Reform Commissions have been successful beyond their wildest imaginations!

But nowhere near the Chinese forced "Patriotic Education" or South Korean historical revisionism.

Who would have thought, that the Japan, that inflicted so much death and destruction on all of Asian 70 Years ago,

But has been comnpletely poeaceful; for the last 67 years...

would be running around like a bad alcoholic that gets drunk, beats his wife, burns down his neighbors house, >rapes his neighbor's wife and kids, then passes out cold in his front yard and wakes up the next morning like >nothing happened. wondering why all his neighbors are giving him the evil eye....

Exactly how China s behaving today

It is my hope that this will be a Japan that will be mindful of its past and try to be a better country than its neighbors.

It is my hjope that China realizes that crying about 70 year old history does not justify it's actions today. China keeps blaming Japan for the past while acting exactly like them. The world isn't that stupid, China's silly ploy is getting real old.
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VladKSep. 23, 2012 - 11:00AM JST

@ Chuck... Or Pak, point of correction, it's Takeshima not Dokdo. Get the name correct at least.

Yeah, and its Nihon or Nippon, not Japan! Its the United States or America, and not Les États-Unis!

Sorry but its Dokdo in Korean, and the Senkakus are Diaoyu in Chinese. Welcome to the big bad world of differing languages and viewpoints! My suggestion is tolerance for them instead of stubbornly insisting there can be only one.
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Michael CraigSep. 23, 2012 - 11:02AM JST

Despite his nationalist stance, I commend Ex-PM Abe on Japan's reaction to the Chinese riots.
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iceshoecreamSep. 23, 2012 - 11:16AM JST

"We get excited sometimes, but we don't loot shops like those in China, where the demonstrations deviated from their original intentions," said Shuhei Takagi, 21, clad in a camouflage uniform.

There you have it my friends, the civilized and smart people.
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 11:16AM JST

Macpaul: "@ Chuck... Or Pak, point of correction, it's Takeshima not Dokdo. Get the name correct at least."

What a racist comment -- calling Chucky 'Pak' (should be Paek, by the way) because of his stance on the island issues! And it's NOT Takeshima, it's Dokdo, so YOU should get the name (and names in this case) correct. Who lives on and administers the islands?

As to this protest, it's just the usual "Hey, Sunday's my day off so let's protest!" garbage, but it's a shame they have done it because tensions were JUST starting to die down, and now they will probably escalate again.
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 11:17AM JST

Michael: "Despite his nationalist stance, I commend Ex-PM Abe on Japan's reaction to the Chinese riots."

What, did he quit again?
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genjuroSep. 23, 2012 - 11:20AM JST

Don't try to put South Korea with China, as if they're the same. Unlike China, there are no people burning down Japanese things and rioting on the streets.Don't try to put South Korea with China, as if they're the same. Unlike China, there are no people burning down Japanese things and rioting on the streets.

http://www.who-sucks.com/people/the-exciting-world-of-south-korean-protests
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breakingpointSep. 23, 2012 - 11:34AM JST

Macpaul Emeka Ekwueme, which Takeshimas? I know there are 4 Takeshimas (bamboo island). HAHAHA
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breakingpointSep. 23, 2012 - 11:35AM JST

Genjero, Korean protests don't end up burning cars or stores. If protests never existed in South Korea, there wouldn't even be a democratic government right now.
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breakingpointSep. 23, 2012 - 11:39AM JST

Japan was more brutal than China back in the days. All those atrocities, invasions and mass massacres means nothing today? Cough cough, no wonder Japan is hated so much by those countries.
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oldsannoSep. 23, 2012 - 11:40AM JST

Considering the way Japan has been since 1945 to present, the shift towards the right that China and to a lesser degree South Korea has caused is really not a shift to the right, but a shift to the center

Excellent point!
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globalwatcherSep. 23, 2012 - 11:44AM JST

I just want to tell you that the world audience has a great respect to Japanese PEACEFUL demonstrators compared to Chinese demonstrators who were all ended up with riots and violence. .Your voice has been heard by world audience.

You can read many positive comments about Japanese demonstrators including NY Times, Washington Post, BBC and others.
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globalwatcherSep. 23, 2012 - 11:47AM JST

@smith, both. I just do not have a great respect to those who manipulate innocent people. There is a clear cut betwen Freedom of Speech and Manipulations.
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rogoteyeSep. 23, 2012 - 11:49AM JST

As long as it stays non-violent, I don't care.
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WolfpackSep. 23, 2012 - 11:54AM JST

Japan was more brutal than China back in the days. All those atrocities, invasions and mass massacres means nothing today? Cough cough, no wonder Japan is hated so much by those countries.

History is not kind to what the Japanese did in the first half of the 20th century. But no one in Japan today is personally responsible for the decisions that led the country on a militaristic path back then. I agree that the Japanese have not atoned well for what they have done. The German's did and were a model that the Japanese should have followed.
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 11:57AM JST

globalwatcher: "I just do not have a great respect to those who manipulate innocent people."

Then you should be against the protests like those that this post is based on.

"There is a clear cut betwen Freedom of Speech and Manipulations."

I don't even really know what you mean here. In any case, Chucky has every right to use the pic he's using. In fact, I might look for a pic of some Japanese imperialist soldier to use as my avatar, just as an expression of how much I am against Japan's imperialist history. Is it really lost on you that you have no hesitation to show support for protests against China, but are 'offended' by what you believe is a non-Japanese person protesting against Japan?
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iceshoecreamSep. 23, 2012 - 11:58AM JST

All those atrocities, invasions and mass massacres means nothing today?

Indeed. That's in the past. We live the present now and works towards hopefully a better future.
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gaijinfoSep. 23, 2012 - 11:59AM JST

Last time so many people rallied against China, Japanese soldiers were cutting off people's heads in Nanjing.
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Ch1n4SailorSep. 23, 2012 - 12:03PM JST

Ch1n4sailor, what happened 70 years ago (before you we're born)can not be changed. We learn from the past, not live it! If you hate Japan so much, don't you think it is to go back to your home country? Or do you feel safe here though everyone knows you nationality? I agree Japan has its own domestic problems but discrimation is not one of them.

I hope you enjoy all that freedom to protest that was given to you by America and the United Nations some 60+ years ago... I feel perfectly safe, Is that a threat...? Maybe we can help you make that trip back over to North Korea, I'm sure they'd love to have you... I can help you with those travel arrangements!

Nobody is saying that the Japanese of today committed those crimes, but what we are saying is that you need to understand exactly what your forefathers, and relatives did do... Maybe you would have a totally different outlook, rather than this, "We are the victims of the whole world!" attitude...
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hatsoffSep. 23, 2012 - 12:04PM JST

I'm willing to bet that many of these protestors have nothing to do with typical Right Wing nationalists, just ordinary people who have been moved to anger over China's behaviour.

It is as much China's actions that is moving this country to the right as the Japanese politicians, though most of the public tend to ignore the rantings of the politicians anyway. In other words, before the events of the past few weeks, if Ishihara had said 'Let's demonstrate', no one would have turned up except a few Right Wingers.
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globalwatcherSep. 23, 2012 - 12:10PM JST

I don't even really know what you mean here.

@smith, these people do not understand a true meaning of Freedom of Speech. Freedom of Speech has two sides; freedom to express their opinions and responsibility of the consequences they are willing to take.

Good example is a anti-Islam film on you tube. Now violence is spreading everywhere and we do not know what to do with. These manipulators can start wars in history. I do not tolerate these who are dropping poo-poo everywhere without realizing the consequences. Hope you understand why I am so resentful.
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KabukiloverSep. 23, 2012 - 12:20PM JST

Do you know what all this is? It is diversion. One is tempted to assume, without concrete facts, that it is a mutually agreed upon diversion.

Here is Japan dealing with an ongoing nuclear crisis. Millions of Japanese (the majority, I believe) want nuclear power out. This doesn't sit well with Japan's plutocracy. Noda the clown says nuclear power will be phased out by 2040%2
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KabukiloverSep. 23, 2012 - 12:21PM JST

Do you know what all this is? It is diversion. One is tempted to assume, without concrete facts, that it is a mutually agreed upon diversion.

Here is Japan dealing with an ongoing nuclear crisis. Millions of Japanese (the majority, I believe) want nuclear power out. This doesn't sit well with Japan's plutocracy. Noda the clown says nuclear power will be phased out by 2040 but in the meantime the government is approving the completion of new reactors and restarts of old ones. The people are not pleased. What a great time for a territorial dispute.

And here is China, a fascist oligarchy that has betrayed every last ideal of the 1949 revolution, dealing with an increasing disparity between rich and poor, a discontent new middle class and an economic bubble that is about to burst. What a great time for a territorial dispute.

Of course, there is probably no conspiracy. It is more like a sernedipitous opportunity for both governments.

This dispute really got going when the Noda regime decided to nationalize the disputed islands. This was done to trump Ishihara, who wanted Tokyo to buy the islands. Of course, Noda could have simply told Ishihara to keep his nose out of national affairs. Why he didn't is a good question.

So what are those islands worth to the 800 Japanese in the above posted article? What are they were to the thousands of Chinese trashing Japanese businesses? Nothing. Not a damn thing.
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breakingpointSep. 23, 2012 - 12:22PM JST

iceshoecream, why don't you tell the Japanese government to stop claiming other territories that doesn't belong to them (like Dokdo and the Kuriles) and to try to negotiate with China (with Dioyou issue).
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globalwatcherSep. 23, 2012 - 12:26PM JST

@hatsoff,

Just ignore the other posts too. If you read my all my posts from the top to the end, you understand what I am talking. Hope smith understand what I am saying here. US has been dealing with all these manipulators who are causing hate and violence in the world. I hate to see the same on JT. I have no tolerance to those.
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 12:27PM JST

globalwatcher: "I just want to tell you that the world audience has a great respect to Japanese PEACEFUL demonstrators..."

According to whom? The only people I see giving praise to the Japanese are the Japanese, plus a few others who live here. It's commendable indeed that they can carry out protests with less flag marring or school gate burning than in other nations, but don't pretend it's someone else patting you on the back when it's just yourself -- I'm quite sure most of the world doesn't care.
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 12:32PM JST

globalwatcher: "I do not tolerate these who are dropping poo-poo everywhere without realizing the consequences. Hope you understand why I am so resentful."

It's still hypocrisy. You tolerate some things and call it freedom of speech, but when you're offended you call it 'manipulation' (still not sure what you mean by that, since manipulation really doesn't play into the freedom of speech argument) and say it should be stopped. You cannot call for freedom of speech and then say there is a limit based on your personal beliefs.

Like I said, Chucky can put whatever photo he wants as his avatar up, so long as it is lawful. He has broken no laws, and it is my belief he chose the avatar he did because it is a stance against Japan's colonial history. He has every right to do so, and people who ask him to hide the picture or cover it up are likely the same people who want to deny said history.
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globalwatcherSep. 23, 2012 - 12:32PM JST

According to whom?

@ smith.

Read NY times, Washington Post, Boston Globe,....excluding China Daily. You can see how they wrote on Japanese demonstration, no brainer.
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HinikuSep. 23, 2012 - 12:33PM JST

Too many Politicians worldwide would rather go to War just to stay in Power than lose their position and have peace. So when you think that "cooler heads" will prevail.... remember.... there are plenty of elections coming up and we may run out of rope before we vote.
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titaniumdioxideSep. 23, 2012 - 12:38PM JST

@genjuro

Don't try to put South Korea with China, as if they're the same. Unlike China, there are no people burning down Japanese things and rioting on the streets.Don't try to put South Korea with China, as if they're the same. Unlike China, there are no people burning down Japanese things and rioting on the streets. http://www.who-sucks.com/people/the-exciting-world-of-south-korean-protests

holy.... In comparison to the above image. That one is outrageous!
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overchanSep. 23, 2012 - 12:41PM JST

This thread doesnt go far. People rallying against China, 800 people is like 1 person for 162,000 people. But hey! They didnt broke anything. Of course. they are not poor people.
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hatsoffSep. 23, 2012 - 12:47PM JST

Ch1n4Sailor

Nobody is saying that the Japanese of today committed those crimes,

but what we are saying is that you need to understand exactly what your forefathers, and relatives did do...

Maybe you would have a totally different outlook, rather than this, "We are the victims of the whole world!" attitude...

Sailor, I don't see much victim mentality in modern Japanese society. They got beaten by the Allies in WWII, their emperor was forced to declare he wasn't a deity, he had his power taken away from him and left in place only as a figurehead, Okinawa was taken by the USA and only handed back in the 70s...

....but the country got on with building a peaceful society. I'm frankly amazed at how the Japanese just got on with things with no mass resentment at the US occupation. As we all know, they went on to build the world's second biggest economy.

I really wish China had done the same, but they were under the control of Mao Tse Tung (or if you prefer, Mao Zedong) and the Communist Party. Just think what China could have done if Mao hadn't been there to drag them back to the stone age. If we REALLY think about what China could have become, we can only lament at so much lost potential.

You said: "...but what we are saying is that you need to understand exactly what your forefathers, and relatives did do... "

While I understand the pain of your history, let's be fair: modern China needs to understand exactly what its forefather Mao did too, not only the starvation of his own people, but also having children denounce their own parents and relatives, sending to the countryside and to prison the educated people who could have helped make China into a powerhouse of economic might in the 1940s and 1950s...

China was given back its autonomy in 1945 to do with it as it pleased. That was 67 years ago. What did it do?

If we could all look to the future, we would see an era of unprecedented growth in Asia. Somehow, the past is always there like a heavy weight dragging us back. Let's all move on.
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titaniumdioxideSep. 23, 2012 - 12:57PM JST

Japan and the Japanese have a right to protest! Please do not do it with violence like these fools over in China. Japan must show the world that they have more brains, and SOFT POWER not animal like hard power that the masses in China have been brain washed into thinking will solve their problems.

Bravo! If the Japanese were like the Chinese everyone would be throwing nikuman and gyoza.
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realmindSep. 23, 2012 - 12:58PM JST

Japan need to make a policy of "Strong Japan". Make nukes and missiles. You will see a big difference in the attitudes of China. If China is soft on Japan then NK and SK will be ready to make a positive relationship with Japan.. First Make own Nukes..... to counter China.
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 01:01PM JST

globalwatcher: "Read NY times, Washington Post, Boston Globe,....excluding China Daily. You can see how they wrote on Japanese demonstration, no brainer."

And you guys just love to play that up, eh? But if it's a mention of Japanese history or something you choose to ignore it. Like I said, while a couple nations may mention the 'victimhood' and 'stoicism' of the Japanese, it is the Japanese who pat themselves on the back for it. It smacks of insecurity in a major way. And what's more, the US has vested interests in praising Japan -- they know Japan loves it, and they know they need to get the Osprey crafts in the air here. Only days before the central government suddenly gave the OK to fly Ospreys, the US was saying they would not at all get involved in the island dispute and that it was a domestic issue. Then, suddenly, when the government gives the okay to fly Ospreys the US suddenly states the islands are part of the US/Japan treaty and you US papers are praising Japan.

Can you not see this?
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titaniumdioxideSep. 23, 2012 - 01:05PM JST

@realmind

Japan need to make a policy of "Strong Japan". Make nukes and missiles. You will see a big difference in the attitudes of China. If China is soft on Japan then NK and SK will be ready to make a positive relationship with Japan.. First Make own Nukes..... to counter China.

Do you have a real mind? War is not a solution. It's already the 21st century. Warfreak people are sooo left behind in 20th century and China is one of them. Chinese are so outdated especially in terms of the word "civilization"
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genjuroSep. 23, 2012 - 01:10PM JST

Genjero, Korean protests don't end up burning cars or stores.

Maybe not cars or stores, but I guess you missed the photos of the mob carrying torches and what they did.

http://www.who-sucks.com/people/the-exciting-world-of-south-korean-protests
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globalwatcherSep. 23, 2012 - 01:10PM JST

smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 11:57AM JST

<>Then you should be against the protests like those that this post is based on.

@smith, believe or not since the day the demonstrations in China turning into nothing but riots and violence, I have been trying to protest through China Daily (govt owned newspaper) to stop them, but my posts were all rejected. China has no freedom of speech. I should have known better. I tried almost 20 posts denouncing the riots and violence. I am a DOER.
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genjuroSep. 23, 2012 - 01:13PM JST

holy.... In comparison to the above image. That one is outrageous!

I know. I still get shocked at the ferocity of their barbarism and incivility when they protest.
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globalwatcherSep. 23, 2012 - 01:16PM JST

smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 01:01PM JST

Only days before the central government suddenly gave the OK to fly Ospreys, the US was saying they would not at all get involved in the island dispute and that it was a domestic issue. Then, suddenly, when the government gives the okay to fly Ospreys the US suddenly states the islands are part of the US/Japan treaty and you US papers are praising Japan.

Can you not see this?

@smith, hmmm...... good point. I did not realize that. I will do more reading.
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TravelingSalesSep. 23, 2012 - 01:21PM JST

Japan is weak and weakness attracts bullies as sheep attract wolves.

If you want peace, prepare for war.
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 01:41PM JST

globalwatcher: "@smith, hmmm...... good point. I did not realize that. I will do more reading."

There are definitely some backroom deals going on.
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Ryu-1inOHSep. 23, 2012 - 01:46PM JST

That's a pretty yukata that lady in the picture is wearing :-)
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Craft LedgerSep. 23, 2012 - 02:09PM JST

The crazy end for all these protesters is that on their way home - They'll probably go to a 7-Eleven and unintentionally buy Chinese Ingredients that are in products that the company is using more and more of - Go Figure!
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warnerbroSep. 23, 2012 - 02:14PM JST

Japan's Sunday soldiers make me laugh. Not a one of them would last long in a real military in real combat.
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 02:25PM JST

warnerbro: "Japan's Sunday soldiers make me laugh. Not a one of them would last long in a real military in real combat."

They couldn't get the day off.
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freakashowSep. 23, 2012 - 02:31PM JST

Yeah, "peaceful" protests full of nationalist bigots waving their flag, shouting racist insults through bull horns. lol peaceful indeed.

chucky: While you may have a point that the protests have not been "peaceful", they have been "non-violent". After all, there is no such thing as a "peaceful protest". The definition of one after all is quite difficult to pin down. Any protest done is done because people are against or for something strongly. To protest or express one's stance, people will inevitably voice or show their opinions strongly, thus showing aggression (whether it be verbally or physically). All protests I've seen in the world can be called "non-peaceful" in some form or manner, unless the protester someone goes limp and doesn't resist officers trying to arrest or take them away. I think the words "peace" and "protest" don't really go together in the first place.
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highhopeSep. 23, 2012 - 03:10PM JST

Globalwatch,

I believe you mean that Japan has freedom of speech but China does not. Japan does not manipulate but China does.

Neither Japan nor China has true freedom of speech and both contries manipulate mass media and publication.

China appears to be more severe, but Japan is not much less with certain political issues.

For instance, I never heard about anyone loudly speaks against current J-politicians. They are corrupt. They do not feel ashamed of Japan's past history. They are the same as their fathers and grandfather who were war criminals. In particular, no talk about emperor's sin in pushing Japan into war and sacrifying millions of innocent Japanese people. When Japan can be a real democratic country? When you can say anything you want without fear?
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Ryu-1inOHSep. 23, 2012 - 03:31PM JST

Neither Japan nor China has true freedom of speech and both contries manipulate mass media and publication.

China appears to be more severe, but Japan is not much less with certain political issues.

I really 'hope' you're not comparing Japan and China when it comes to democracy or freedom of speech or even assembly. The only reason why tanks did not come out and crushed your riots is that the latter were fomented by the party.
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Darren BrannanSep. 23, 2012 - 03:51PM JST

Hope they did the customary rally point stamp thing.. Always works with infants.
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highhopeSep. 23, 2012 - 04:10PM JST

Moreover, Japanese parties, DPJ, LDP, even LF, NFP are not much different: many of them inherited their fathers' districts and voice the same. I do not see real people's voices in J-politics. No people's uprising to get the real freedom of people. The real economy downturn actually started by political corruption in 1990 when the corrupt politicians did not close non-performing banks and did not reform the financial system. Because they, big companies' heads (I mean not the CEOs, but the real owners behind the curtain) and politicians were sitting in the same boat. Japan will NEVER come out of the recession/depression unless Japanese people wipe out those old corrupt politicians and start a true democratic system.
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iceshoecreamSep. 23, 2012 - 04:12PM JST

iceshoecream, why don't you tell the Japanese government to stop claiming other territories that doesn't belong to them (like Dokdo and the Kuriles) and to try to negotiate with China (with Dioyou issue).

I wish I could my friend. I wish "governments" could all negotiate something out that would benefit all parties involved in territorial disputes. Me as an "individual", one thing I can do is to not cultivate hatred towards other races for what their past generations did. Cultivate that hatred and all you'll have is morons like the right-wings walking around Shin-Okubo shouting and threatening Koreans who made Japan their home.
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highhopeSep. 23, 2012 - 04:16PM JST

What Japan needs is not another Meiji revolution by a few elite samurai groups, but a people's revolution by common people. Then you can see voluntary demonstration by real people. All you can see now is an orchestrated demonstration by the right extremists supported by those politicians. Then what is so much different from ones in China?
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 04:17PM JST

globalwatcher: " US has been dealing with all these manipulators who are causing hate and violence in the world. I hate to see the same on JT. I have no tolerance to those."

So no hate comes from the US or Japan, right? Nah, not the woman who is posting anti-Muslim ads in NY subway stations, or not people like 'my tummy hurts' Abe claiming the sex-slave issue never happened (then getting a tummy ache when proven wrong by Americans!). Again, global, it's not 'manipulation' or 'hate' when you don't like what's posted and then 'freedom of speech' when you defend something. These people protesting in Tokyo are exactly the same as the people you rail against, bottom line. If you object to a person's protestations, you need to object to the people in the picture on this thread.
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efisherSep. 23, 2012 - 04:37PM JST

In fact, US is the largest ‧beneficiary of conflict and war in the world. US arms industry need the war, Americans need the jobs in arms industry and in army. Without the war, US can't maintain its leadership in the world.
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callmeBSep. 23, 2012 - 06:16PM JST

Honestly, 800 people, mostly middle age men and over protesting is pretty pitiful. Where are you youths? What is going on with your younger generation? Most of them are out of work anyway so why not get on the street and exercise a little bit? Whether those Chinese were controlled or not, they had hundreds of thousands protesting, most of them are younger folks. What is going on in Japan? Talking as a netizen is weak and won't get you any exposure. You guys should take the street and protest peacefully. At least show that you care instead of hiding behind our back while yapping at the Chinese and Koreans.

If you don't care, why should anyone else care for you?
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OlegekSep. 23, 2012 - 06:47PM JST

titaniumdioxideSEP. 23, 2012 - 01:05PM JST Do you have a real mind? War is not a solution. It's already the 21st century. Warfreak people are sooo left behind in 20th century and China is one of them. Chinese are so outdated especially in terms of the word "civilization"

What about US wars all around the world? Or US also outdated ? Hm interesing idea !
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svidetic@gmail.comSep. 23, 2012 - 07:31PM JST

better than compete in global economy or take the lead like with playstation is the spirit of ninja, killing, war. it is in japan nature blood fighting
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smithinjapanSep. 23, 2012 - 07:39PM JST

Yeah, not much of a protest, really. But at least it was not violent.
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Daffy_DuckSep. 23, 2012 - 07:44PM JST

their emperor was forced to declare he wasn't a deity, he had his power taken away from him and left in place only as a figurehead

Yeah but he wasn't put through a trial, which he should have been.

Anyway, I suppose given all the protests in China against japan in last couple of weeks, some reaction in Japan was to expected.

Let's hope it doesn't escalate to violence.
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chucky3176Sep. 23, 2012 - 08:33PM JST

chucky: While you may have a point that the protests have not been "peaceful", they have been "non-violent". After all, there is no such thing as a "peaceful protest".

yeah freakashow, "non violent" hate racist protest. Fixed it for you. Happy? Most of the protests that I've seen in Japan are not really of the political kind. It's mostly the racial kind based on ethnic nationalism. They do this without shame and without opposition, but with encouragement from the Japanese government who is part of the protests even. In that regard, Japan is worse than anybody else. The excuses and self patting in the backs from Japan are just amusing.
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chucky3176Sep. 23, 2012 - 08:50PM JST

huge anti Korean protest planned for nationwide, calling for arrest of the "cock roaches" (ethnic Koreans) and expelling them, stopping of diplomatic relations with South Korea, and stopping of the citizen rights for Zainichi. They are calling it the "Kill Koreans" protest. This is expected to be one of the largest anti Korean marches to date.

http://awabi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4plus/1347872812/

South Korean embassy has put out a travel warning on Koreans going to Japan, to be careful to stay away from Korea Town, and from the protests itself. There have been flood of death threats recieved by tour operators and Korean embassy, against Koreans in Japan. Many South Koreans canceling their plans to go to Japan, in fear of being physically attacked and harmed.

I think if any of the South Koreans are harmed in Japan, South Korea still will not harm the Japanese in Korea who are always welcomed with a smile.
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chucky3176Sep. 23, 2012 - 09:17PM JST

Japanese blame the Koreans (so what else is new?) for the riots in China. Quite a few Japanese are saying that Korea was behind the Chinese riots. They have no evidence, yet that doesn't seem to be stopping them from fanning this rumor.
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efisherSep. 23, 2012 - 11:19PM JST

It was rude that some Japanese rallied against China since Japan even didn't apologized officially to China for Japanese war crime in WWII.
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peace_zzzSep. 23, 2012 - 11:24PM JST

chucky3176 at Sep. 23, 2012 - 09:17PM JST

Japanese blame the Koreans (so what else is new?) for the riots in China. Quite a few Japanese are saying that Korea was behind the Chinese riots. They have no evidence, yet that doesn't seem to be stopping them from fanning this rumor.

Oh come on... you are the who give gasoline to fire while Chinese poster just keep quite and try to calm by saying no Chinese hate Japanese.
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chucky3176Sep. 24, 2012 - 12:00AM JST

Japan has never had to worry about making things right, when the war was over. That was because Asians outside of Japan at that time were divided, weak, and too busy with wars. The United States was too busy counter the Soviets to care about bringing justice against Japan's war crimes. Japan got off scott free because everyone was too busy. Now that China, Korea, etc are getting stronger, while Japan rapidly becomes weaker, Japan is worried sick. Japan had always looked down rest of Asia from above. That no longer is the case. And that's where their nationalism which have always been hidden just under the skin, comes out in full force. Things will get much worse, as bad economic news after another will drive Japan's fear and rage at its neighbors. But one thing is clear, unless Japan starts to stop the revisionist history, and stop claiming territories against their neighbors, Japan won't sell too many products to their neighbors. We're at the cross roads and nobody knows where Japan's turn will be, to the right or left or straight. A wrong turn will mean end of prosperity for Japan and the long time Japanophiles will abandon a poor Japan like rats out of a sinking ship which no longer is rich and admired.
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chucky3176Sep. 24, 2012 - 12:10AM JST

Hundreds of Japanese hold anti Korean demonstration in middle of Tokyo. They shout calling for murder of Koreans, and stomp on Korean flag made out of Pepsi cola logo with cock roach images on Korean flags (to suggest Koreans are pest insects, dirtying up Japan)

http://news.donga.com/Inter/3/02/20120923/49614383/1

What's the cut off of number of protestors before Japanese media starts reporting on these numerous racist demonstrations that are being held all over Japan every day?
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JTDanManSep. 24, 2012 - 02:18AM JST

“We get excited sometimes, but we don’t loot shops like those in China, where the demonstrations deviated from their original intentions,”

True. Which is why no one takes you seriously. No one fears you.
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TokyoLurkerSep. 24, 2012 - 05:25AM JST

Go Japan! Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, Brunei is with you. Once again, show the world that size doesn't matter!
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highhopeSep. 24, 2012 - 07:30AM JST

Go Japan! Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, Brunei is with you.

I never heard of anything supporting Japan from these countries. I think they will separate the island dispute from the Japanese atrocities in those countries during WWII.
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freakashowSep. 24, 2012 - 07:34AM JST

Most of the protests that I've seen in Japan are not really of the political kind.

Yeah chucky, but sadly and unfortunately, it's like that in pretty much every protest I've seen across the world.

In that regard, Japan is worse than anybody else

No, pretty much in line with everywhere I've seen in the world. Every country in the world has their share of racism and hate shown in protests. Of course, what people see as being racist depends on one's opinions. Some would even cut hairs and say cheering your own country's team energetically while keeping silent about the opposition is considered racist. Depends on your views.
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JTDanManSep. 24, 2012 - 08:14AM JST

No, pretty much in line with everywhere I've seen in the world

One wonders where you have been.

Regardless, I will grant you that wherever you go people are, in the end, people. That said, the hallmark of our species remains our adaptability. That is, we humans are generalists -- plastic to the demands our environment places upon us. By definition, we retain our basic humanity no matter what environment we developed in, that we do adapted our ways -- our culture -- and to a lessor extent our bodies, to that environment.

Why does this matter? Because it all goes to the salient point that while people may be people wherever you go, cultures are not. And if we accept the patently obvious fact that Japanese society is not the same as the society of Djibuti and Italy, then we must also accept the obvious fact that Japanese mores are not the same.

And then we can, nay must, take the obvious next step: that some cultural traditions are objectively better at dealing with certain challenges than others.

It seems to me plainly obvious that in certain ways, Japan's notion of nation and people are objectively worse when dealing with getting along with peoples from other nations. In some ways better, and some ways worse.
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Ch1n4SailorSep. 24, 2012 - 08:17AM JST

@globalwatcher

I just want to tell you that the world audience has a great respect to Japanese PEACEFUL demonstrators compared to Chinese demonstrators who were all ended up with riots and violence. .Your voice has been heard by world audience.

Excuse me, Excuse me... Didn't we just read about a korean student getting a beat down by these same PEACEFUL Right-Wing Demonstrators, just a month a ago...? (while the police had him handcuffed)

Or let me refresh your memory: http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/police-stand-by-as-korean-man-assaulted-by-extremists-for-protesting-japanese-war-crimes

I will agree that the Chinese protesters were out of control, Uncivilized at best, but don't give me this moral superiority crap, I've seen first hand exactly how Right-Wing Japanese protest. Even in the presence of police...

Enjoy that great Freedom and prosperity that was given to you, so many good Americans died stopping YOUR WAR machine and then turned around and gave you your freedom... You're Welcome...
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freakashowSep. 24, 2012 - 09:28AM JST

In some ways better, and some ways worse.

I agree. Every country has their own views of how they see themselves and the rest of the world and every nation has their good points and bad.

Japan's notion of nation and people are objectively worse when dealing with getting along with peoples from other nations.

Well, I give you that they are bad at getting along with South Korea and China, but it is reciprical in nature in that case and it's always been a unstable relationship. Then again, I know quite a bit of Japanese, Chinese and Koreans who are able to get along really well with each other and never allow nationalism to interfere with their relationships with each other. These people are the smart ones. Yet, what is a perfect sense of nation and people? What works for one country may not work in another and even seemingly perfect sysyems have their flaws. For example coming from America, we tend to think we have a great sense of nationalism and can deal with other races quite well, but I realized that even we tend to group all Koreans, Japanese, and Chinese to be the same and often get them confused (as Asians may tend to confuse groups of English-speaking countries).
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Ch1n4SailorSep. 24, 2012 - 12:54PM JST

@hatboy

I don't see much victim mentality in modern Japanese society

Then you must be living in a cave, obviously you're not in Japan, if you are, you haven't been here very long.

Good Day!
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Kobuta ChanSep. 24, 2012 - 01:59PM JST

Why don't they go Anti Communist China demonstration at Communist Chinese Embassy and all their Consulate offices in Japan.? Do it everyday if you do not work. If you have hacking ability and then hack Communist Social media site and organize anti Government demonstration in Communist China Cities. It's what Communist Chinese Government worry most. Modern war without weapon.
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peaceful worldSep. 24, 2012 - 03:06PM JST

if china and japan fight with each other,the USA would be most happy in the world, both chinese and japanese would not get any thing indeed they make the big damage from each side,and get the big lost,and also the bad economy and the people suffer and suffer a lot,then the USA come to the asia with big smile ,and become the big power to control each one,
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mrmaliceSep. 24, 2012 - 08:36PM JST

divide et impera, its too convenient if you look at it. Create the common enemy, people will be on their knees beggint their own government to unite them in this struggle. As old as warfare itself. @peaceful world, yea, if that escalates the ones benefitting most would be the U.S. ... in case of an elected romney you might find yourselves allied against china since the man already had some accusations thrown that way. How'd you like to be the advance base for the next U.S. war, then ?
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kazetsukaiSep. 24, 2012 - 09:22PM JST

Let's get real in this discussion... TAKE WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW and not 20/20 hindsight history and rationalization of same.

Why is China encouraging conflict?
Why is S. Korea involved?
Why is Taiwan involved?
Why did USA pull out?
Why other SE Asian nations are NOT sounding off?
Why is Russia NOT involved?
Why is N. Korea NOT involved? Or are they.... in the North?
What are the advantages for each?
Why?

POLITICAL (includes military)

ECONOMIC (includes financial)

OTHER?

Can you create a SCENARIO of what is "actually" happening today (the rhetoric and the actions ONLY - NO HISTORY).

Which is more meaningful the rhetoric or action? Does action speak louder than words?

Personally I see ECONOMIC reasons as the key factor to be considered.
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OlegekSep. 24, 2012 - 10:12PM JST

kazetsukaiSEP. 24, 2012 - 09:22PM JST Let's get real in this discussion... TAKE WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW and not 20/20 hindsight history and rationalization of same.

Why is China encouraging conflict?

Why is S. Korea involved?

Why is Taiwan involved?

May be because all these country and many other were captured and plundered and covered with blood by the Japanese military? Is it not obvious ?

Why did USA pull out?

USA only use Japan for his purposes. It's not a real friend

Why other SE Asian nations are NOT sounding off?

It's out of their business

Why is Russia NOT involved?

Russia & China are allies in Syria&Far East !

So Russia is NOT at the Japanese side in this conflict...

Why is N. Korea NOT involved? Or are they.... in the North?

Little nuclear attack you mean ? You can be shure - they hate Japan

Why?

Because Japanese politicians - are very unprofessional
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nigelboySep. 24, 2012 - 10:42PM JST

Excuse me, Excuse me... Didn't we just read about a korean student getting a beat down by these same PEACEFUL Right-Wing Demonstrators, just a month a ago...? (while the police had him handcuffed)

Hand-cuffed? No. He was escorted away from Yasukuni where he was later picked up and driven to NPA. There already exists a video link in the thread. I suggest you watch it.

As to China, a man who was driving his Toyota, was pulled out, beaten to a pulp, and is currently hospitalized where one side of his body is paralyzed.

http://kinbricksnow.com/archives/51811520.html
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ka_chanSep. 25, 2012 - 07:59AM JST

No country is any other countries "friend", they are "rivals". China and Russia are only allies as long as it suits each side. As for Japan, their leaders really need a refresher course in Sun Tzu's Art of War. Seems the today's Japanese leader have no clue.
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antolop111Sep. 26, 2012 - 04:38PM JST

According to a Japanese friend of mine when we are drinking coffee this noon. He say those demonstrators was inspire and encourage by the Right Wingers.

Well, I say it is the work of Ishihara and co. or the Japanese gov't?. And he just reply that the whole Japanese ppl's was against it of purchasing the .........
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Qwerty2012Sep. 27, 2012 - 01:50AM JST

Yes, cui bono? Certainly neither Japan nor China. In fact, the whole region might undergo an economic and political nuclear winter. Funny how the Number 2 and Number 3 economies, both enjoying robust growth and trade, both holding massive US Treasuries, both engine for growth in the only economically prospering region (compared to the US and Europe), succumbed so rapidly, almost overnight, to such a predictably emotional push-button issue. Strange how it all began when Ishihara made his "proposal" to stir up the hornet's nest at the HERITAGE FOUNDATION.
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kurisupisuSep. 27, 2012 - 09:51AM JST

Glad to see Japanese don't throw pet bottles or eggs-civilised!
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Ivan CoughanoffalotSep. 29, 2012 - 12:14AM JST

“We get excited sometimes, but we don’t loot shops like those in China, where the demonstrations deviated from their original intentions,” said Shuhei Takagi, 21, clad in a camouflage uniform.

Translation: "Even when playing dress-up, we are pusillanimous", says boy, before going home to his mummy and daddy.
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cabadajeSep. 30, 2012 - 07:42AM JST

"Yeah, real men have to destroy property before leaving, 'cause that's manly, and it makes our parents proud. Also, it makes us look intelligent in the eyes of the world."
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breakingpointSep. 30, 2012 - 09:02AM JST

Japan has no friends. LOL