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  • OssanULTRA at 02:21 AM JST - 2nd October

    Blue Tiger;

    Japan has apologized numerous times. CNN says 17. Other sources say more. Calling these apologies "insincere" or "not official" is hogwash, they are apologies. They aren't "no we're not sorry and we'll do it again" type of comments. Japan has settled WWII with China, SKorea and all Asian countries. If some Chinese and SKoreans are unhappy about they need to speak up aainst what their own govts agreed to in 1972 and 1965 respectively. NKorea is the one Asian country that has not settled anything with Japan regarding WWII, but then they are still at war with us too. This isn't a case of the kettle calling the pot black, it's a case of a mass murderer commiting crimes right now pointing fingers at a murderer who commited a crime 70 years ago.

  • cdninkyoto07 at 08:03 AM JST - 2nd October

    Can't really argue with this claim if you know about what Japan teaches in its' history text books. The slaughter at Nanjing, China gets one line. Taro Aso, the soon-to-be new Prime Minister, has claimed that Korean people opted to choose a Japanese name and give up their language while under Japanese colonial rule, thus infuriating South Korea. 14 Class A War Criminals are enshrined at Yasukuni Shrine in Tokyo. This is the same place that regular soldiers are enshrined. The 14 were snuck in by some right-wing monks in 1971 and never removed. When a Japanese PM visits this shrine to pay his respects he is inadvertingly paying his respects to those 14 war criminals as well. As much as I dislike the North Korean leader and the abduction issue, I tend to agree that Japan should not have a permanent seat on the UNSC until proper measures are taken. (i.e. teach the children the ugly past of Japan, not just the beautiful stuff, remove the 14 war criminals, choose a PM that didn't profit off of WWII slave labour)

  • bimyou at 01:28 AM JST - 3rd October

    Still so many posts digging up Japan war time past. As someone mentioned that almost all countries in the world has a dark past and Japan is not an exception.

    If this is between North Korea and the States where Mr. Pak is calling America a 'Hypocrite State' for having nuclear weapons but not allowing North Korea to build them, I wonder how the posts will turn out.

  • ca1ic0cat at 08:47 PM JST - 3rd October

    The dear little leader continues to wallow in the past in order to cover up his crimes against humanity in the present.

    We can all debate if the Japanese have done enough to atone for their past sins but at the present they are fairly stand up world citizens. Compared to NK the Japanese are angels.

    As far as Mr. Pak is concerned there is a difference between the US, China, Russia and NK. The former are largely responsible states. The dear little leader would stop at nothing, including using nukes, to further his personal ambitions. Mr. Pak should note that the US does not stand alone in this matter.

    Too bad lil Kim doesn't do us all a favor and just die.

  • Leopalace at 03:37 PM JST - 4th October

    North Korea called Japan what? Surely not? Well I never, who could imagine North Korea would come out with a statement like that? This is indeed, truly newsworthy!!!!!

  • Blue_Tiger at 10:56 PM JST - 17th October

    OsanUltra, the Japanese Government has never issued a formal, Imperial Hushold Sponsored, signed and sealed apology to any of the nations she brutalized in World War Two. Those 17 apologies were verbal statements by various government officials, and not undertaken as a collective group. Further, if you'll check news records (if they exist) each time those 17 apologies were verbally stated, the Government here in Japan backed away from them. Further, Japan has settled nothing wth any of the nations she invaded, handing out no-interest loans, goods, and services to them, and not reparaitions in currency or money of any sort. What is needed is a document, writtend and issued by the Imperial Household, signed and sealed by the emperor, and endoresed by the fuyll J-Government and JSDF, stating in written fashion an apology -- somethign that Germany has done to each of her neighbord that she invaded, I might add. Please, straighten out your facts....

  • nigelboy at 12:51 PM JST - 18th October

    Blue Tiger.

    The apologies are issued under the Cabinet and is endorsed by each Cabinet minister with the final seal from the Emperor.

  • Blue_Tiger at 03:00 AM JST - 20th October

    why is it, then, nigelboy, when cabinet members in the past, including prime ministers, have apologized for the pacific war and for the actions taken by the imperial army 1931-45, that the government back-peddals away from such statements? if apologies are issued and endorsed by the cabinet, and sealed by the Emperor, why are they not publicized? why are they always orally, verbally, spoken apologies directed to nobody in particular? where are the documents of the issued apologies, because so far, I've ne'er seen one located anywhere?

  • nigelboy at 09:44 AM JST - 20th October

    why is it, then, nigelboy, when cabinet members in the past, including prime ministers, have apologized for the pacific war and for the actions taken by the imperial army 1931-45, that the government back-peddals away from such statements? if apologies are issued and endorsed by the cabinet, and sealed by the Emperor, why are they not publicized? why are they always orally, verbally, spoken apologies directed to nobody in particular? where are the documents of the issued apologies, because so far, I've ne'er seen one located anywhere?

    I'm not quite sure what you're trying to convey here but the statements are archived in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website and that is the "official" position of Japan until they rescind such cabinet statement with another cabinet decision.

  • Blue_Tiger at 12:35 PM JST - 21st October

    What I'm trying to say, Nigelboy, is that Japan has never issued an official, government-supported apology of any kind, let alone a documented one, signed and sealed by the Emperor and Government Leaders. Singular, verbal apologies don't mean anything, especially when the government backs away from them later.

  • nigelboy at 01:00 PM JST - 21st October

    What I'm trying to say, Nigelboy, is that Japan has never issued an official, government-supported apology of any kind, let alone a documented one, signed and sealed by the Emperor and Government Leaders. Singular, verbal apologies don't mean anything, especially when the government backs away from them later.

    Murayama statement of 1995 is a written cabinet approved statement (all ministers signed 閣議決定) with a seal from the Emperor.

    http://www.mofa.go.jp/announce/press/pm/murayama/9508.html

    "The statement was based on a Cabinet Decision (閣議決定, Kakugi Kettei?) which requires unanimous approval from the Cabinet members, has been carried forth by successive administrations, and is often quoted as the official position of the Government of Japan on the issue of Japan's wartime aggression in the early 20th century."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengo50Sh%C5%ABnennoSh%C5%ABsenKinenbiNiatattenoMurayamaShush%C5%8DDanwa

    Cabinet Decision (閣議決定)

    ”行政権の行使について、全国民を代表する議員からなる国会に対し連帯して責任を負う”

    Cabinet Law, Article 1

    "The Cabinet, in exercise of executive power, shall be collectively responsible to the Diet, which comprises the representatives of the entire nation."

    Duties of the Emperor

    これらの事項についての閣議決定の書類は,毎回,閣議の後に陛下のお手元に届けられ,陛下は,これを丁寧にご覧になった上で,ご署名やご押印をなさいます。

    Every Cabinet Decision (閣議決定)documents are sent to the Emperor. Upon carefully reviewing the contents, he will sign and Seal the documents.

    http://www.kunaicho.go.jp/03/d03-01.html#KYUDEN

  • Blue_Tiger at 01:25 PM JST - 21st October

    http://www.mofa.go.jp/announce/press/pm/murayama/9508.html

    This is a personal apology, not a government one. He nevber once mentions the governemnts' apology, never once says anyrthign about the Emperor expressing his deep remorse, but uses the pronouns "me", "my", and "I". He is no more speaking for the government of Japan and the Emperor than the man in the moon.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengo50Sh%C5%ABnennoSh%C5%ABsenKinenbiNiatattenoMurayamaShush%C5%8DDanwa

    Wikipedia states that there is no such article.

  • nigelboy at 01:33 PM JST - 21st October

    This is a personal apology, not a government one. He nevber once mentions the governemnts' apology, never once says anyrthign about the Emperor expressing his deep remorse, but uses the pronouns "me", "my", and "I". He is no more speaking for the government of Japan and the Emperor than the man in the moon.

    No. If it's a personal apology, there is NO NEED for a Cabinet Decision, Cabinet approval, nor Signature/seal from the Emperor.

    And if you want a personal apology from the Empreror, I believe he did that already.

    Wikipedia states that there is no such article.

    It was my translation of the Cabinet Law

    http://www.houko.com/00/01/S22/005.HTM

  • Blue_Tiger at 12:57 AM JST - 22nd October

    There's no proof that the cabnet approved those sayings, and if there was a document signed and sealed by the cabinet and the Emperor, why wasn't it given to the Governments of China and both Koreas? Talk is cheap, and though the Prime Minister in your link there spoke words of remorse, he was speaking for himself. Otherwise, he'd have used "us", "the Government of Japan", "The Emperor of Japan", et. al. Instead, he used "my", "I", and "me", speaking for himself, and himself alone.

  • Blue_Tiger at 12:59 AM JST - 22nd October

    It was my translation of the Cabinet Law

    Ah, yes, a "personal" translation of the law of Japan. Always, always, always trustworthy, aren't they, those "personal" translations?

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