Pearl Harbor ceremony focuses on U.S. response to Japan's attack

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Philmoscowitz at 12:17 PM JST - 8th December

"Underscoring how far Americans and Japanese have come since Dec 7, 1941, President-elect Barack Obama in Chicago on Sunday introduced retired Gen Eric Shinseki, a Japanese-American born in Hawaii a year after the attack, as his nominee to head the Veterans Affairs Department."

uh, fyi, Shinseki is American! who's the idiot who wrote this article?
timeon at 12:31 PM JST - 8th December

Blacknight, as an answer to your question, there was something on TV. apparently some historians found a document signed by a few American generals, who ordered a large scale attack on Japan to happen just a few days after Pearl Harbor. the document was signed before the Japanese attack. so either there was pure coincidence, either the Japanese knew about the American attack
OssanAmerica at 12:52 PM JST - 8th December

Americans make me laugh with their historical immaturity and double >standards. When did they officially last declare war on someone, before >taking military action? If my memory serves me right, it was in 1917.

We declared war on Japan on Dec 8, 1941. We declared war on Germany and Italy on Dec 11, 1941.
OssanAmerica at 12:56 PM JST - 8th December

Don't forget the USS PAYNAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It >was attacked by the Japanese before Pearl Harbor.

Why? It was a mistake and the Japanese apologized, paying $2,000,00 in reparation which we accepted.
likeitis at 02:06 PM JST - 8th December

"Underscoring how far Americans and Japanese have come since Dec 7, 1941, President-elect Barack Obama in Chicago on Sunday introduced retired Gen Eric Shinseki, a Japanese-American born in Hawaii a year after the attack, as his nominee to head the Veterans Affairs Department."

uh, fyi, Shinseki is American! who's the idiot who wrote this article?

During the war, Shinseki would have been sitting in an internment camp. That is because Japanese can mean an ethnicity as well as a citizenship. Not that it qualifies as a valid excuse, but Japanese were distrusted because the little bit of Japanese tradition they hung on to appeared much more foreign and suspect to us than the traditions of German-Americans for example. Further, they formed more close knit groups and had more ties to their ancestral country, though that may have a product of racism on the part of Americans as much as culture and choice on the part of those of Japanese decent. Mixed marriages were not tolerated by either side. Not so with the German Americans in general, white Christians who sang the same Christmas songs.

The writer was a bit short-sighted, but I would say far from being an idiot. It would have been better to clearly state that racism and hard feelings against the Japanese and those of Japanese decent has lessened greatly since the war, and General Shinseki proves that. But strong feelings against the Japanese and those of Japanese decent yet persist. You won't find that with Germans and those of German decent nearly as much. That is because the Japanese seem a lot more foreign to the average American.
telecasterplayer at 02:08 PM JST - 8th December

OssanAmerica,

Would these be the same folks who failed to warn us of 911?

I don't want to get too off-topic or the JT mods will toast this.. suffice to say, there WAS a Presidential Daily Briefing ("PDB") preceding 9/11. But, there was no specific such warning preceding Pearl Harbor.

And back on topic, General Shinseki's new gig doesn't really speak to the U.S. relationship with Japan as it does to the U.S. relationship with its own citizen.. many of whom were interred completely unfairly and immorally during World War II.

Moderator: No further references to 9/11 please. It is not relevant to this discussion.
likeitis at 02:12 PM JST - 8th December

remember the usa fired the first shot . the one that sank the mini sub

Funny, but true. This happened over an hour before the planes came. Did everybody just go back to bed after sinking the sub? Those things could not cross oceans on their own!

It just goes back to how the Japanese succeeded in doing what everyone thought to be completely impossible. Our boys were on such alert that they spotted periscopes, not an easy thing to do unless you are really looking. Yet, the impending doom still wasn't realized.
mael at 10:16 PM JST - 8th December

The US leaders knew all about the plans, preparations and the schedule of the attack on Pearl.

Those US servicemen were sacrificed. sacrificed in order to enable a war against Germany by way of the mutual security pact between germany and Japan.

This was done for international Jewry.

Of course there were no aircraft carriers hit. They were kept a safe distance away. The ships at Pearl were deliberately put at risk, and the Americans got the taste for war against japan after they were lied to and told it was a sneak attack.

Japan's money for its military at the time of WW II came from a Mr.Schiff, a Jewish New York banker. Interestingly Germany's money and supplies at the time of that war also came from ostensibly American sources - kosher ones.

The sheople really don't learn from history. One false flag after another. The most recent being the farcical 9/11/01. (But one more due in a short while I think).

It is a pity most Japanese do not know they about the big con that pearl was. But unfortunately as I mentioned, the sheople really cannot be helped.

As I recall, the US enforced a trading embargo against Imperial Japan in the lead-up to the war. This is a defacto declaration of War. Basically Japan had no option other than to attack the US due to the latter's actions.

And it was organised International Jewry (dubbed as Zionists) who unilaterally declared war on Germany through a trading boycott. Those Jews required the Americans to destroy the imminant threat to Jewish hegemony throughout the world. The Americans were very reticent to go to war against Germany, so America's treasonous leaders had to create 'Pearl' to stir up the requisite war-fever. Pearl was just the last of a long line of belligerent acts against Germany coordinated by ostensibly Americans. The Germans seem to have been pretty tolerant of US boycotts and attacks to its ships at sea etc... .

The US was the only country which was wealthier after the war than before, while Britain lost 25% of its gross national wealth, and other countries like Japan and Germany got taken to the cleaners, purged of most of their menfolk, raped the women and proceeded on a course of brainwashing the ensuing generations into feeling guilty for crimes which the Allies' were at least as guilty of if they weren't even worse.

Pearl Harbor is a significant moment in history all right. it shall be remembered amongst the awakened in a similar light as 9/11.

Ah! Such invincible naivette! To think that I used to believe the fiction recorded as history during my history lessons at school! Now for me the whole game is transparent. But I will be dragged-down because of the overwhelming weight of the pleasant, but ignorant masses. - At least I will know what is happening.
toguro at 04:27 AM JST - 9th December

OssanAmerica: Thanks for the back up. He/she acted as if I was pulling the information out of my arse or something. The United States has declared war more recently than 1917. On Japan, and Germany in particular.
OhioDonna at 08:13 AM JST - 9th December

I was sitting in church Dec. 7, 2008 and thought about the events of Dec. 7, 1941. I think it is good that we honor all those who lost their lives during WWII.
bushlover at 07:48 AM JST - 11th December

I'm glad that we have ceremonies to remember these tragic moments in history no matter which side of the debate your on. And hats off to mael for most interesting post today.
USARonin at 03:27 PM JST - 11th December

Toguro, Hitler declared war on the US on Dec 8, '41. It was kinda nutty 'cause the US had not - had not, amiga - declared war on Germany.

I don't see what his hurry was. Do you?

History up, mein friend.
JackDorff at 03:55 PM JST - 11th December

Toguro, Hitler declared war on the US on Dec 8, '41. It was kinda nutty 'cause the US had not - had not, amiga - declared war on Germany.

I don't see what his hurry was. Do you?

I think Hitler was kind of forced to declare war on the US. If he hadn`t, the tripartite agreement with Japan would have meant nothing. When the Germans made the deal with Japan, they assumed the Japanese would simply be attacking British territory rather than American.
Ah_so at 05:33 AM JST - 13th December

Japan's money for its military at the time of WW II came from a Mr.Schiff, a Jewish New York banker. Interestingly Germany's money and supplies at the time of that war also came from ostensibly American sources - kosher ones.

Mael, would you be able to back up any of this with respected sources without sounding like a rabid anti-semite? No? Thought not.

It would appear the Schiff helped lend Japan money substantially prior to WWII - at the time of the Russia-Japan war at the turn of the century. He also helped market what are now called Samurai bonds.

In case you had forgotten, Japan was in WWI on the side of the allies, fighting against the Germans, so lending Japan money was hardly a crime. However, as a wealthy, prominent Jew, he was and is inevitably the focus of anti-Jewish propaganda and conspiracy theories, of which you are unfortunately a proponent.
WasSleeping at 01:04 AM JST - 10th June

I've been trying to put a model together, to understand this crazy world. This is what I got so far. Am am of the opinion that Japan's attack was staged, not surprizing when one considers that WWI and WWII were also both central banking scams. Feel free to try and improve the model.

http://www.freelists.org/post/harbor/World-View