Sea Shepherd claims Japanese whalers attacked its vessels

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  • -14

    Terry Tibbs

    Both the Sea Shepherd and the Japanese whalers can sink to the bottom of the Antarctic ocean for all I care. Since I arrived in 2010, every year it's the same old BS from both parties.

  • -1

    wakawaka225

    Really Sea Shepherd? Really now... are you sure it was the whalers that were attacking or was it that, there ship was trying to avoid you while you rammed you ship into their hull. Come on now we all seen this excuse too many times to care. We all know you attack their ships while you go to the press and call foul!

  • -17

    HongoTAFEinmate

    Both as bad as each other. On a band of Eco-terrorists, the other a nation whose "research" claims are little more than a faint to get around international conventions. How about the related parties start manning up about this? Australia and New Zealand shouldn't be having 50 cents each way. It's time to take a stand one way or the other.

    Cut off port facilities to both sides. Stop allowing donations to the Interpol fugitive and his merry band of loons. Put your multi-billion dollar trade relations with Japan where your mouth is and take them to the Hague. It's time to put up or shut up. If you don't have the guts just admit that Canberra and Auckland are diplomatic minnows and fall in with the apathy of the big boys.

    Problem solved.

  • 6

    Fukuppy

    and accused the Australian government of “broken promises” to monitor whaling operations.

    Honestly? The Oz government isn't going to jeopardize what I assume is millions of dollars of trade between the two countries over 'a few whales'. I don't like the whaling either but the only country that can stop Japan whaling is Japan.

  • 9

    NZ2011

    I don't really care too much which side anyone falls on with this issue, personally I wish that Japan didn't whale, specifically so far from home and in a very cheeky way..

    However what I think is undeniable is that it certainly earns Japan no friends and is a massive waste of money.

    Japan may well be in need of some friends soon and is starting to lose PR battles all over the place..

    I think this is an obvious one to give up on.

  • -7

    marcelito

    Ara ara - there go those eco terrorist whalers again :)

  • -1

    Probie

    Waaaaah, waaaaaaaaaaaahh!

    Shut up, dumb Sea Shepherd cry babies!

    They brag about stuff like this when they do it; but complain when the tables are turned. Typical bully mentality.

  • -1

    rickyvee

    it seems like every week or two. the SS makes some lame claim in order to get in the news again. so few people really care about this issue anymore that there is scant media coverage, except on JT.

  • 10

    zichi

    The whale hurting season comes to an end this month and the whalers will be heading back to port for another year with a new catch of halal meat but I suspect this seasons catch might be the lowest in decades.

    Probably more of the 4,000 tons of whale meat in frozen storage will be needed for the non halal demand by the remaining 15% of the population still eating it.

    Last season, was their lowest Antarctic catch ever: just 103 minke whales, far short of their quota of 935. The whalers had also set out to kill 50 humpbacks and 50 fin whales, but took none.

    I guess there will be no scientific research papers again, since the ICR states it takes the hurting of about 1,000 whales to gain the data to write one? They produce so little useful data, anyway?

    A large number of the Scientific Committee members objected to the review taking place on the basis that so little data from JARPA I had been published in international peer reviewed literature that it was not possible to judge quality of Japan’s research or its relevance to the management of whales by the IWC. Sixty-three members of the Scientific Committee argued that it would be “scientifically indefensible” to conduct the review and pointed to serious flaws in Japan’s scientific justification for the program. http://us.whales.org/issues/whaling-in-japan

    In the new clash, Sea Shepherd claim one of the whalers threw a spear at one of the boats, although there were no reports of any injuries.

    The whaling industry only survives because of billions of gov't subsidies and on a commercial it would have already failed since its basically bankrupt and in debt.

  • 2

    CrazyJoe

    If we were talking of birds, we would say they were fouling their own nest.

  • -11

    StormR

    HongoTAFEinmate

    Both as bad as each other. On a band of Eco-terrorists, the other a nation whose "research" claims are little more than a faint to get around international conventions. How about the related parties start manning up about this? Australia and New Zealand shouldn't be having 50 cents each way. It's time to take a stand one way or the other.

    Cut off port facilities to both sides. Stop allowing donations to the Interpol fugitive and his merry band of loons. Put your multi-billion dollar trade relations with Japan where your mouth is and take them to the Hague. It's time to put up or shut up. If you don't have the guts just admit that Canberra and Auckland are diplomatic minnows and fall in with the apathy of the big boys.

    Problem solved.

    And please explain why Auckland would get a mention as it is not where NZ govt is but it is known as the city of sails, so perhaps your comment has some relation to this situation being as how Auckland does have a harbour or ????

  • -1

    David Foley

    I wonder who has the researcher job? His job must be pretty easy.

  • 1

    dcog9065

    That's quite a nice photo actually.

  • -8

    hidingout

    C'mon, you're "eco-warriors" remember. No room for crying and whinging. Unless you aren't up to the job? In which case why not slink back to hole you came from and spare the rest of us from having to read another word about you. Sorry lot.

  • 3

    Mike O'Brien

    hunt whales off Antarctica under a “scientific research” loophole in the moratorium on whaling

    Very poor reporting. There is no loophole. The regulation allowing scientific research was written and approved in 1948, almost 40 years BEFORE the moratorium. Kind of hard to write a loophole 40 years before the fact.

    The whalers had also set out to kill 50 humpbacks

    No actually they didn't. The humpbacks were removed from the permit before they ever left port. And the Minke quota is actually 850 +/- 10%, to say it is 935 is disingenuous.

  • 3

    Disillusioned

    Hopefully, the international court will put a stop to this and save the Japanese and Australian tax payers a lot of money.

  • 1

    cleo

    Kind of hard to write a loophole 40 years before the fact.

    Nah, a loophole (an ambiguity or inadequacy in a set of rules) can be written any time. Often the people writing it don't even realise it's there, until someone comes along years later, finds it and gleefully sails a factory ship and fleet of harpoon ships through it.

    the Minke quota is actually 850 +/- 10%, to say it is 935 is disingenuous.

    Disingenuous?? We can't have folk bandying words like that around! It' was reserved years ago as a description of the act of killing whales for the table and calling it 'research'.

  • -3

    Dawn Stackalis

    Keep up the fight Sea Shepherd!!!

  • -1

    wildwest

    Arguments aside, If it's sustainable and it's cheap it's ok, but it seems it's not so why bother with it. The pain and suffering is an issue for all life taken, (I heard plants also suffer) if there are people starving then any food is better than no food. I'm ok with your own back yard but to go so far away in the name of traditional cultural rights seems a bit strange.

  • 6

    Christopher Smith

    Said it once and I'll say it again - without the SS, how many more whales would have been slaughtered? Praise for them.

  • 2

    Dawn Stackalis

    Research Results

    JARPA/JARPA II research results

    The JARPA∗ was conducted during the austral summer seasons from 1987/88 to 2004/05. The JARPA had four main objectives: a) estimation of biological parameters to improve the stock management of the Southern Hemisphere minke whale; b) elucidate the role of whales in the Antarctic marine ecosystem; c) elucidation of the effect of environmental change on cetaceans; and d) elucidation of the stock structure of Southern Hemisphere minke whales to improve management. The outcome of JARPA is that we now know more about the status of whale stocks and whale biology than at any time in history and this knowledge continues to increase each year. Following a mid-term review in 1997, the most recent JARPA review by the IWC's Scientific Committee in December 2006 concluded that:

    "the dataset provides a valuable resource to allow investigation of some aspects of the role of whales within the marine ecosystem and that this has the potential to make an important conntribution to the Scientific Committee's work in this regard as well as the work of other relevant bodies such as the Convention for the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources" and, "the results from the research program have the potential to improve management of minke whales in the Southern Hemisphere"

    Based on the results of JARPA, in 2005 Japan began a new and expanded program called JARPA II. JARPA II started with two feasibility surveys in the austral summer seasons of 2005/06 and 2006/07. The first full survey started in the 2007/08 season. The objectives of the JARPA II are the following: a) monitoring the Antarctic ecosystem (whale abundance trends and biological parameters; krill abundance and the feeding ecology of whales; effects of contaminants on cetaceans; cetacean habitat); b) modeling competition among whale species and future management objectives (constructing a model of competition among whale species; new management objectives including the restoration of the cetacean ecosystem); c) elucidation of temporal and spatial changes in stock structure; and d) improving the management procedure for Antarctic minke whale stocks.

    But where does Japan actually show the RESULTS from their so called research !! If someone finds recent as of like 2013 testing results please post .. Thanks..

  • 4

    Martha Brock

    End the whaling, and Sea Shepherd can stop patrolling, tailing and having to interfere to save whales' lives.

  • 4

    Disillusioned

    Nicely put Dawn Stakalis! However, nearly all of that information is providided by many other countries through non-lethal research. About the only thing that cannot be determined by non-lethal research is, the whale's diet, but you don't need to kill a thousand whales to find out what they are eating.

    The basis of animal research is for the preservation and conservation of the species. However, the basis of Japanese whale research is to prove the animals can be hunted commercially (by Japan only). They are using the IWC rules to hunt whales in an IWC established whale sanctuary to prove the IWC's ban on commercial whaling should be lifted (for Japan). Is it just me or can other people see an abuse of privileges?

  • 4

    zichi

    C.W. Nicol who lives in in Kurohime, Shinanomachi, Nagano.

    In this current Antarctic “research whaling” season, the supposed aim is to take 935 Minke whales, 50 Fin whales and 50 Humpback whales. They won’t get anywhere near that number, and the proposal to kill Fin whales — next in size to the great Blue whales, and generally considered to be endangered — as well as Humpback whales — those breaching, splashing, serenading darlings of the whale-watching trade — is both ludicrous and quite unnecessary for cetacean research, which nowadays can be conducted just as well by non-lethal means.

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2014/02/01/environment/japan-why-kill-whales-off-antarctica/

  • -10

    Mike O'Brien

    Nah, a loophole (an ambiguity or inadequacy in a set of rules) can be written any time

    There is no ambiguity or inadequacy in Artcle VIII, it very plainly and clearly says what it allows. So still no loophole. And permits under Article VIII have been used at least as far back as the 1970's, so it isn't like Japan just dregded it up after the moratorium.

    Disingenuous?? We can't have folk bandying words like that around!

    So you would rather I say that saying the quota is 935 is a lie? Fine with me.

    But where does Japan actually show the RESULTS from their so called research !! If someone finds recent as of like 2013 testing results please post .. Thanks..

    Well the raw data has been given to the IWC, so ask them if you want. As for research results, that could takes months if not years to complete and further months before it shows up in a scientific journal.

  • 4

    Dawn Stackalis

    Disillusioned , thanks and yes I see an abuse of privilege also.. But if this is all for scientific research then by all means Japan GIVE US SOME DATA!!! Let us see the research results you have collected..

  • 2

    zichi

    but you don't need to kill a thousand whales to find out what they are eating.

    Yes, unlike humans, whales are all eating the same food from any given location.

  • 3

    Anna Louise

    Perhaps the SS could change their name to Salvation Shepard and save dogs and cats and animals that are becoming instinct or ending up on dinner tables in Indonesia, Korea, China, Thailand, Cambodia etc. Land animals really have nowhere to run when it comes to capture and cruel torture before becoming someones dinner!

  • -1

    Dawn Stackalis

    @ Mike O'Brien. Well you make statements like you either work for the IWC or the Japanese Whalers.. Either way if this "Raw Data" is available then it like all research should have public access as to the results. Otherwise it is the IWC and the Japanese blowing smoke up the worlds bums one statement at a time...

    As far as the Japanese helping the ecosystem of the Cetaceans they have done nothing but DESTROY LIVES AND ENSLAVE THE ONES THEY DIDNT SLAUGHTER.. Japan is after monetary gain and nothing more. If you believe otherwise then maybe you should take the blinders off.... They been doing this crap for many years so where the hell is the RAW RESEARCH.. It's getting down to put up or Shut up for Japanese Whalers. They mislabel dolphin and whale meat as TUNA and then sell to other fishermen.. Yeah a real HONEST bunch there!!

    Researchers make their progress known.. They don't hide behind loop holes..

  • 4

    zichi

    The ICR does not "give raw data" to the IWC, It does publish scientific papers in peer review journals which are also given to the IWC. The Scientific Committee of the IWC then reviews the scientific papers but I think in their reviews it only up to about 2006/7?

    I think last year and probably this year too there won't be any new papers?

    A couple of American universities have published some of the papers but I wonder what size donation the ICR made for that?

  • -2

    redmanshow

    Japan must stop doing this again and again, at least before International court declares Whale hunt is illegal.

    OR they should release their research findings so far( such as how many Sushi's made, how many packages of whale meat export, how much is the revenue etc.) :-) What kind of research these people are doing,God only knows.

    Go SS! Go~ Stop the Whale hunt!

  • -5

    Dawn Stackalis

    Japan's Scientific Whaling: An Expensive Proposition By: Dennis Normile 2013-02-06 12:10 Posted In: Asia,People & Events,Environment

    Moderator: The URL will suffice.

  • -3

    Disillusioned

    Critics disagree. "It is well established in the scientific literature that there are many ways to study whale diet and condition without killing them," Gerber says. Most IWC science committee members, Funahashi adds, "do not see any reason to kill whales."

    It's not just the IWC members that feel this way. Many Japanese see no need to hunt whales. They don't eat it and there are thousands of tons of meat rotting in freezers around the country. I'm sure most Japanese would agree that the millions of tax payers money wasted on this farce would be better spent on Tohoku or other infrastructure projects. Yet, they defend it with stating it is a part of Japanese culture. Which part of Japanese culture are they referring to? Being obnoxious and belligerent? Yeah, that works!

  • -1

    oldman_13

    Go Japan!

  • -1

    Jim Poushinsky

    How embarrassing for Japan! Please show respect for the world community and Mother Earth. Stop killing whales!

  • -1

    hidingout

    Well you make statements like you either work for the IWC or the Japanese Whalers.

    Pretty big talk coming from someone copy pasting large swaths of the SS propaganda manual. Why the need to call out Mike O'Brien in such a cheap way? From my reading of this board, he seems to be a pretty regular poster. You on the other hand ...

  • -3

    zichi

    The number of peer-reviewed papers made in the period 1994-2013 is 93, with an annual average of 4.7 papers.

    • Moderator

      All readers back on topic please. Please focus your comments on what is in the story.

  • -3

    cleo

    you would rather I say that saying the quota is 935 is a lie?

    You could say that, but you would be wrong. The quota is, as you say, 850 +/- 10%, ie between 765 and 935. In other words, without SS in the picture, weather permitting and assuming they can find that many, they would keep on killing and butchering until they had the meat from 935 animals stored in their hold.

    The claim from the whalers that they are dragging cables with buoys attached 'as a warning to Sea Shepherd to stay away' is disingenuous. OK, it's an outright lie. SS isn't interested in going near the harpoon ships, their concern is to stop the factory ship loading carcasses. Which is why the other whaling vessels are going alll-out to keep the factory ship at a distance. Still, any time the harpoon ships are spending zig-zagging in front of SS ships is time they're not spending killing whales.

  • 0

    7sky7

    it seems people either believe in ecologic care as a priority or not.

    I hate whales being killed.
    The baby whales and mothers go right up to the whaling ships, and harpooning them is like killing infants...the whales go up to the whaling boats in a friendly, innocent and totally naive fashion, and are helpless, easy targets as get stabbed with the thrust of a high powered harpoon, shot like missile, at them. They are subsequently reeled in, and after a struggle to keep alive, if the whales haven't drowned, are shot with rifles. I doubt that is done in hopes of less suffering, the whalers just want the whale to quit struggling and making a nuisance by trying to keep alive.

  • 0

    Nat Turner

    The west and some of it's little organizations need to dress back for a moment with their sanctimonious attacks on other nations culture and habits. They sift through the world pointing finger and threatening all who do not toe their line, particularly in Africa and Asia. Yet when it comes to matters of the environment and wildlife the problem often stems from the last few hundred years of western stewardship of our planet. When Constantine brought Christianity to Europe almost 2000 years, he begged the people to change their ways, this still has not been done, as they say "take the beam our of your eyes before you touch the speck in mine". The West would do well to start respecting and understanding other cultures while noting they have no God given right to rule.

  • -4

    Heda_Madness

    OK, it's an outright lie

    yet you repeat everything that the SS says verbatim.

  • -8

    arrestpaul

    Japan’s fisheries agency said its ships were dragging cables with buoys as a warning to Sea Shepherd to stay away.

    “The cables were already there and they (Sea Shepherd) approached the cables on their own,” an agency official told AFP

    Hahaha. So the whalers were defending themselves by towing a cable with a buoy as a warning to the eco-terrorist SS to stay clear. The eco-terrorist SS deliberately ran into the cable and are now attempting to blame the whalers for the choices the eco-terrorist SS made. What a hoot.

    Watson was a much better liar than the current weasel faced captain.

  • -1

    Really Japan?

    I don't understand how the Japanese can allow such activities to go on without showing their strong disapproval. They seem to have a very rich and inspiring culture, which respects nature in a very deep level, with all of its national parks, shinto shrines, and beautiful and plentiful city parks.

    Whaling goes so much against all of that. They inhumanely slaughter whales and dolphins (while selling their young orphans as slaves to aquariums around the world). And they defend their actions with lame excuses such as: "It's a cultural thing" or "It's legal".

    If the Japanese really thought these activities were good and honest, they wouldn't have to try so hard to hide them behind legal loopholes.

    The Japanese are very proud of their culture. I can only ask: Are you also proud of this? And if you are, then I can only say:

    Shame on you Japan. Shame on you.

    And that goes to every single Japanese (and non-Japanese too) that does not openly and strongly show disapproval for these "cultural" or "scientific" killings.

  • -1

    fds

    part of the culture is eating whales. they've been doing it for hundreds of years. if you respect the culture then you should respect that too. not just pick and choose what suits you.

  • 0

    Really Japan?

    You can't take a culture as a whole and either approve everything or disapprove everything. I'm just saying that it seems to me that these particular activities should be reconsidered.

  • 0

    Really Japan?

    And again, just because people have been doing something for a long time, doesn't justify it.

  • 0

    avimazalto

    I advice sea shephard crew to use paintball markers for self defense it is really usefull

  • 0

    fxgai

    Really Japan?,

    And again, just because people have been doing something for a long time, doesn't justify it.

    Sure. But this case is just a matter of whether a certain arbitrary type of animal is rightfully considered subject for eating or not.

    While some people may see whales as really exceptional magnificent creatures deserving of demi-god status, to others they are just another type of animal.

    Given those circumstances, I'd suggest it's the againsts who probably want to reconsider whether it's appropriate to seek to impose their preferences on other people.

    At least as far as these Sea Shepherd nutters go, someone should tell them to just knock it off and wait for the ICJ decision to come out. They just seem to be seeking attention to me.

  • 0

    edwardw

    Actually, what is more amazing is that there is never any footage from beginning to end of these "crimes at sea" Come on Eco-shepherd! Show us the proof! I want to see harpoons being launched at you! If someone can show me an un-cut, full footage of interactions between the vessels I would be delighted. Until I see that, and it shows the Japanese attacking the Eco weasels, then I will side with the whaling ships.

  • -5

    Mike O'Brien

    You could say that, but you would be wrong. The quota is, as you say, 850 +/- 10%, ie between 765 and 935. In other words, without SS in the picture, weather permitting and assuming they can find that many, they would keep on killing and butchering until they had the meat from 935 animals stored in their hold.

    Well if the quota is between 765 and 935, then saying it is 935 is a lie. So calling it a lie is the truth.

    And your opinion on what would happen without the SSCS in the picture is pure speculation.

    There are those that believe without the SSCS in the picture, Japan would reduce their whaling. Just like in the proposal that Japan made to the IWC 3 years ago to cut their quota in half, allow international monitors on all whaling ships, establish a DNA sample database of all whales they catch and institute an internationally run random sampling of whale meat found for sale to check against the DNA database

    The claim from the whalers that they are dragging cables with buoys attached 'as a warning to Sea Shepherd to stay away' is disingenuous. OK, it's an outright lie.

    Really? So all those videos that the SSCS themselves have released showing them harassing the harpoon ships are faked (by the SSCS)?

  • 3

    zichi

    Well if the quota is between 765 and 935, then saying it is 935 is a lie. So calling it a lie is the truth.

    On the whaling permit issued by the government there's nothing about +/- 10%. There are precise figures which are the maximum and that's that! Last season the minke whale quote was 935 but the target achieved was only 103 and I won't be surprised if by the end of this whaling hurting season, the figure will be even lower, in fact the lowest since the so called research whaling started.

    According to JAPRPA II, the catch size is, Minke whales 850±10%, Fin whales 50, Humpbacks 50. But the government permits always states exact numbers.

    There will be many disappointed Muslims who are waiting for their promised halal wheat meat?

    Over the years, many scientists have questioned and even dismissed the value of the research whaling. Back in 2002, the New York Times published an open letter from 21 scientists including 3 Nobel Laureates, who stated the whale research failed to reach the minimum standards for credible science.

    In 2003, BioScience published an article from the IWC Science Committee members which stated,

    “Japan's scientific whaling program is so poor that it would not survive review by any major independent funding agency,” and when it comes to misrepresenting commercial activities as science, “there has rarely been a more egregious example of this misrepresentation than Japan's scientific whaling program.” They also explained that the vast majority of publications resulting from these programs have absolutely no value for the management of whale stocks.

    Personally, I'm opposed to all activity in the Antarctic except for the work being made by real scientists.

    Japan considers whales are an international marine resource. But with less than 15% of the population buying and eating whale meat it would seem its a resource that the majority no longer care for. In 2012, more than 75% of the whale catch went unsold.

    Since the beginning, the research whaling has taken more than 17,000 whales costing more than $350 million of public funds to produce about 130 scientific papers in peer reviews, which many scientists have cast doubts on the accuracy and usefulness of the data?

  • -3

    Mike O'Brien

    The JARPA II submission to the IWC (SC/57/O1) says the sample size of minke whales was set at 850 +-10 %

    The IWC says 850±10% Antarctic minke whales

    The Hauge Justice Portal says 850 (+ or – 10% allowance) minke whales,

    Australia's submission to the ICJ says 850 +/- 10 % Antarctic minke whales

    So if you have another source I would be interested in actually seeing it.

    As an aside, yesterday the ICJ said they would be deliver their judgement on March 31st.

    Personally, I'm opposed to all activity in the Antarctic except for the work being made by real scientists.

    And who gets to decided who is a real scientist?

  • 1

    zichi

    Because of Sea Shepherd, last year the whaling fleet failed again to meet its quota and only achieved 103 minke whales, even less than in 2012, which was 212 minke whales. I guess this year will be the lowest figures since Japan started its research whaling. Could this be the last year for whale hurting in the Antarctic

  • -2

    Mike O'Brien

    On the whaling permit issued by the government there's nothing about +/- 10%. There are precise figures which are the maximum and that's that!

    Still waiting for some source for this claim.

    Personally, I'm opposed to all activity in the Antarctic except for the work being made by real scientists.

    And who gets to decided who is a real scientist?

  • 2

    zichi

    Mike O'Brien Then go and read the whale hunting permits issued by the gov't, which are also given to the IWC.

  • -7

    arrestpaul

    Really Japan? - And that goes to every single Japanese (and non-Japanese too) that does not openly and strongly show disapproval for these "cultural" or "scientific" killings.

    Really, Really Japan?? Is it your intention to change people's minds by supporting the continued acts of violence committed by the eco-terrorist SS? Or do you openly and strongly disapprove of use of violence by the eco-terrorist SS? Is violence your answer?

  • 1

    Really Japan?

    @fxgai,

    Although I agree with you with the part of deciding which animal is "right" for consumption, I don't agree with the method used to kill whales and dolphins, especially when they are not supposed to be killed for consumption (they are supposedly being killed for research, remember?).

    @arrestpaul,

    Not once have I even mentioned Sea Shephard, to whom you so freely refer to as "eco-terrorist SS" (with the obvious intention of spreading some sort of propaganda). And I most certainly do not wish to change people's mind by supporting acts of violence, it is my intention to so by presenting solid arguments in an open and intelligent discussion.

  • -1

    Fukuppy

    At some point this is going to get really nasty and people are going to die. The solution?

  • 4

    zichi

    As an aside, yesterday the ICJ said they would be deliver their judgement on March 31st.

    well we know that the research whaling is nothing more than 127 ways to bring the whale bacon to the table and costing the taxpayer about ¥300 million a paper. Cheaper to pay the fleet to stay in port.

  • -4

    Mike O'Brien

    Mike O'Brien Then go and read the whale hunting permits issued by the gov't, which are also given to the IWC.

    Every document I find at the IWC website says 850 +/-10%.

    That is why I have asked you to actually provide a source, not just make an assertion.

    @Really, Japan

    when they are not supposed to be killed for consumption (they are supposedly being killed for research, remember?).

    Article VIII requires the meat to processed (remember?).

  • 0

    zichi

    Article VIII requires the meat to processed (remember?).

    just a chicken and egg story? The only reason for the research whaling is to bring the expensive bacon to the table. If it wasn't required by the IWC to do the research it would just do the whale hurting instead.

  • -3

    arrestpaul

    Really Japan? - Not once have I even mentioned Sea Shephard, to whom you so freely refer to as "eco-terrorist SS" (with the obvious intention of spreading some sort of propaganda). And I most certainly do not wish to change people's mind by supporting acts of violence, it is my intention to so by presenting solid arguments in an open and intelligent discussion.

    The FBI considers the eco-terrorist SS to be eco-terrorists.

    This thread is titled - Sea Shepherd claims Japanese whalers attacked its vessels. Do you support the repeated acts of violence committed by the eco-terrorist SS? Do you openly and strongly disapprove of the use of violence by the eco-terrorist SS?

    Any support of the eco-terrorist SS is a support of violence as a means to an end. Even Greenpeace refuses to have anything to do with the eco-terrorist SS because of the eco-terrorist SS repeated acts of violence.

    Nations have refused to flag/register eco-terrorist SS vessels because of their violent nature. Nations have rescinded their registry of eco-terrorist SS vessels because of the repeated eco-terrorist SS violence. There are few nations left who will even allow eco-terrorist SS vessels to be registered as that nations vessels because of the repeated acts of violence of the eco-terrorist SS. Only the Netherlands, Australia, and New Zealand encourage the eco-terrorist SS to practice their acts of piracy on the high seas.

  • -3

    Mike O'Brien

    If it wasn't required by the IWC to do the research it would just do the whale hurting instead.

    Just opinion masquerading as fact.

    But the fact remains that the processing IS required by Article VIII.

  • 1

    CH3CHO

    ICJ announced that it will deliver the judgment of whaling dispute on March 31, 2014.

    http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/148/18094.pdf

    THE HAGUE, 4 March 2014. On Monday 31 March 2014, the International Court of Justice (ICJ), the principal judicial organ of the United Nations, will deliver its Judgment in the case concerning Whaling in the Antarctic (Australia v. Japan: New Zealand intervening).

    A public sitting will take place at 10 a.m. (The Hague time) at the Peace Palace, The Hague, the seat of the Court, during which the President of the Court, Judge Peter Tomka, will read the Court's Judgment.

  • 0

    tinawatanabe

    Why can't SS and most anti-japan posters wait or respect ICJ verdict? Japan should watch and remember which countries do not abide by the ICJ rules and bash Japan on this,

  • -5

    cleo

    Why can't SS and most anti-japan posters wait or respect ICJ verdict?

    Because in the meantime whales are being killed in horrible ways.

    Why can't the whalers wait or respect the ICJ verdict?

    the fact remains that the processing IS required by Article VIII.

    Article VIII requires the animals to be processed so far as practicable. Japan doesn't do this; they 'process' most of the animal over the side of the boat and just bring home the bacon.

  • -1

    tinawatanabe

    The articles always say "loopholes". I don't know what that means but I don't think Japan's doing anything illegal. Anti-whalers have no legal grounds to lecture how Japan behaves, but white culture imperialism and white supremacy.

  • -1

    Mike O'Brien

    Article VIII requires the animals to be processed so far as practicable. Japan doesn't do this; they 'process' most of the animal over the side of the boat and just bring home the bacon.

    That is an opinion. 'so far as practicable' does not means so far as cleo thinks is practicable. And from the amount of meat they bring back it seems to me that most of the whale makes it back to Japan.

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    zichi

    Most of the whale meat landed at port is from the belly area and tail. The rest is dumped over board but I suppose recycling could be claimed by some?

    The whale hurting season is almost over and there won't be much bacon on the table this year.

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