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lynny
Well done Korea. Japan blew it again.
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ProudKoreanGuy
Hoshino vowed something like that he would rewrite a page in Japanese baseball history and he did - except completely opposite to what he had in mind. He and his team just may need to extend their visas to stay in Beijing longer, until the Japanese fans cool down from their hopping-mad anger.
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some14some
for one more hair-cut? this time maru bozu !
Hoshino's managerial ability is questionable for sure.
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ProudKoreanGuy
For a long while, it sure looked like that S. korea would lose to Japan, by 1-2. It really did.
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lynny
I think Hoshino is great. If the japanese players had half his passion, they might actually have reached the final.
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RomeoRamenII
Congratulations, Korea. In baseball, they are Japan's master.
RR
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ProudKoreanGuy
Well, for Japan and Asia's sake I hope they will win the bronze against either Cuba or USA. But, for Korea's sake, I hope Korea ends up playing against USA for the gold.
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RomeoRamenII
Where was Darvish? Oh, wait a moment. Japan wanted to win this game.
Nevermind.
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chibaman
Wait won't tough man Hoshino and the best baseball team in the world be hopping back on a plane today? Hoshino said they were only interested in the gold medal.
TBS is conveniently overlooking the loss an hour ago and analysing in minute detail the women's softball team members and how they came to be this great.
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ProudKoreanGuy
lol
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dogbert
The Korean trolls, as predicted, have already started flooding Asian themed websites with their usual racist gloating and filthy comments. Counting down until they start pouring in here by the swarms pretending to be non-Korean foreigners.
If Koreans lose, they riot and scream and issue death threats. When they win, they act like little children gloating and screaming racial superiority.
Koreans are funny and entertaining to watch.
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some14some
Yes, he did say somthing of that sort, but now since he has paid US$2000 fine, he will try and fight for Bronze Medal.
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ProudKoreanGuy
Dear JapanToday Moderator, I believe dogbert's comment is off-topic, as well as inflammatory. Please DO remove it, thanks. :)
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ProudKoreanGuy
Now, now, Doggy Bert, I know you hate Koreans for eating your mommy and daddy, but they did it for you, so that you can grow up a happy puppy at a japanese orphanage, OK? ;)
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chibaman
Match didn't turn out as you would have liked eh, dogbert. I'll now release the Japanese equivalent draft that didn't end up doing the rounds.
The Japanese trolls, as predicted, have already started flooding Asian themed websites with their usual racist gloating and filthy comments. Counting down until they start pouring in here by the swarms pretending to be non-Japanese.
If Japanese lose, they riot and scream and issue death threats. When they win, they act like little children gloating and screaming racial superiority.
Japanese are funny and entertaining to watch, and even more pathetic in defeat.
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northlondon
GG Sato was very poor indeed. First an error from a simple ground ball that got Korea on base. Then the drop from a straightforward fly with 2 outs. There have been some very poor performances from Japan. GG Sato and Murata have been a waste of two slots.
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ExPrinceska
He is my favourite player, do not bash him.
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chibaman
It's good Japan lost today's game, because now I can see something other than tough man Hoshino and the best baseball players in the world looped and looped again ad infinitum, and instead I can see repeats of repeated footage of yesterday's news.
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some14some
i am sending 'oen fax message' (support/cheering msg) to NHK for "Hoshino Japan"'s final attempt tomorrow.
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dogbert
The Korean trolls, as predicted, have already started flooding Asian themed websites with their usual racist gloating and filthy comments. Counting down until they start pouring in here by the swarms pretending to be non-Korean foreigners.
If Koreans lose, they riot and scream and issue death threats. When they win, they act like little children gloating and screaming racial superiority.
Koreans are funny and entertaining to watch.
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RomeoRamenII
Heh, "World Champions".
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dogbert
Funny how ProudKorean is feeling so bad about my comment but doesn't even flinch when our resident Korean troll, chibaman, freely spews the all too famous Korean filth.
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RomeoRamenII
Iwase is out. He is not pitching any more for Hoshino Japan.
-mindyou at 09:13 PM,21st August
Heh, someone forgot to tell Team Hoshino that.
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RomeoRamenII
It is more than clear that Japan has by far the best pitchers in this Olympics
mindyou at 04:54 PM, 20th August
Yep, they showed the world their true ability to play the game today.
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northlondon
mindyou, I have been supporting Japan in the baseball but they lost 4 games in total. Not really world champion form now is it ? Korea (who I did not support) are unbeaten. It seems as though you are more clueless than any 'English teacher' about world baseball. And by the way most of us here are not English teachers. I'll teach you anything you need to know about baseball, and I'm English..
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hoserfella
mindyou, Im surprised to see u at all on this thread! After the weak Japanese baseball system has rightfully been exposed, I thought you'd have the good sense to clam up. Only a typical downtrodden Japanese working-drone could not have seen this result coming... All hail the superior fighting spirit and talent of Lee Korea!!
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chibaman
I'm not Korean. I'm Chibaman. And I feel your pain over this loss. I wonder if the izakaya will do more or less business tonight than if team wimp Japan won. It's gonna take some serious alcohol to numb this pain. Ouch. Pride smashed with superior Korean baseball bats. Let's here it for South Korea, UNDISPUTABLE WORLD CHAMPIONS OF BASEBALL IN 2008 AND EVERY DAY HEREFORTH.
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northlondon
I guess this no longer makes Japan 'world champions of the world' then. And not really a big shock, seeing as Korea beat Japan in the group game as well.
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helloklitty
single elimination tournaments will never determine the best team
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chibaman
Touche.
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RomeoRamenII
I wonder if the izakaya will do more or less business tonight than if team wimp Japan won.
The most popular song played in juke boxes across Japan tonight will be Hank Williams' "There's a Tear in My Beer".
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chibaman
There's a tear in my beer 'cause I'm cryin' for you, Hoshino you are on my lonely mind. Into these first two quasi-beers I have shed a million tears. You are on my lonely mind I'm gonna keep drinkin' until I vomit on the platform. And then maybe these tears will leave my eyes. There's a tear in my beer cause I'm crying' for you dear Hoshino You are on my lonely mind.
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boobug
Kick to the groin ! Japan just got worked. I can't help but wonder which fans are more apt to step in front of a chuo line express, the Americans for seeing their team win the silver, or the Japanese losing to their most hated rival. Gee, thats a tough one ! Congratulations to Korea. Who have now beaten Japan 3 out of 4 games including twice at the WBC. It's safe to say the best ballplayers in Asia are not in Japan. Now lets all sit back and see if the kids representing the USA can provide the shocker of the Olympics and take down Cuba.
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hoserfella
A combined 0-4 against the US, Korea and Cuba. Japan........sucks.......donkeyballs!
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outhouseout
THe country which wins the Olympics becomes Olympic Champions. Japan winning the WBC is the World Champions. Therefore Japan is still the defending world champions until the next world cup where every country has it's absolute best players.
In soccer/football. Italy is the world champions but Italy is not the olympic champions. It is better to be the world champions than the olympic champions.
You have to be a downtrodden grumpy foreigner with an inferiority complex to not understand this blinded with hate. No rational reasoning just plain old insecurity.
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outhouseout
Here is more inferiority complex bordering insanity to state that Korea is the world champions. They are not because this was the semi finals for a start. And if they win the finals then Korea will become Olympic champions.
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RomeoRamenII
boobug - it won't be the Americans. Our squad is made up of minor league players.
Put your money on the J-fans to downsize themselves in droves because they were conditioned by this nation's media that Team Hoshino would "mow down" all who played against them.
The U.S vs. Cuba game will be a good one. Will it be shown here in Japan?
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chibaman
Hey loser. Here's your sour grapes.
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chibaman
Hey outhouse maybe you've been spending too much time in the outhouse, sucking donkeyballs.
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outhouseout
chibaman. Don't stop taking the medication. You paranoid schizofrenic tendencies are coming back.
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chibaman
You're probably right. Stay in, pretend it never happened. Watch the women's highlights again and remember you're the best.
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outhouseout
Japan didn't have their best players. When Japan did they became the world champions as mindyou states. Japan was not beaten by amateurs but pros. Eventhough you migh be foaming horsefella atleast get your facts straight. It's not very difficult.
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chibaman
I'm out. Can I have some of yours? Your stuff rocks, I've never seen anything so delusional.
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RomeoRamenII
maybe you've been spending too much time in the outhouse
Nah, he just likes the smell. Makes him think he's a player on Team Hoshino.
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chibaman
Ha ha outhouse likes the smell of what he's shovelling.
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hoserfella
Mindyou- I mean outhouse-Japan DID have their best PROS!! The only major leagers they could have added were another slap-hitter in Ichiro, a too fat Godzilla, and a too fat Matsuzaka. They STILL would have gotten schooled by the superior "LEE" Koreans!
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RomeoRamenII
It's gotta suck to be a J-guy today. Their women's squad takes the gold while their men's team is left looking at the tops of their shoes.
Too funny
RR
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outhouseout
You shold go and see your doctor. Anger management. Szhizofrenic delusion which leads to inferiority complex and denial. Japan is the world champions in baseball. Korea is not the world champions in baseball because this was the Olympic semi finals. If Korea gets gold. Korea then becomes the Olympic Champions and not World Champions. YOu can argue, mock as much as you want but it will make you look less ignorant and insecure if you could come to terms with history and facts.
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northlondon
The difference being that in the baseball all the world powerhouses (bar the Dominican Republic) entered the Olympics wanting to win gold to prove who is number 1 in the world on current form. To be fair to the US theirs is a minor league Triple A team but Japan entered what is basically an All-Star team. Olympic soccer is totally different to Olympic baseball (as in, it's not taken very seriously except for the nations that are sponsored by Nike).
You have to be a downtrodden grumpy Japanese baseball fan with an inferiority complex blinded by ignorance of world sport not to understand that. Just plain old ignorance and insecurity..
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chibaman
Let's hear it one more time for THE WORLD CHAMPIONS KOREA. It doesn't matter if they lose tomorrow or at anytime in the future, THEY ARE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS. Omedeto! Congratulations! (insert Korean equivalent for Congratulations)
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hoserfella
I wonder which moment was sadder in J-sports history; the soccer world cup collapse against the Aussies, or this collapse against the WORLD CHAMPION Koreans?
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RomeoRamenII
Ichiro, Godzilla and Dice-K would never have played for Team Hoshino. They know all too well that Japanese pro ball blows. Today's game proves it.
RR
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outhouseout
Japanese baseball is the best in the world last time I checked as Japan was the world champions. Gentlemen. Come to rems with reality and stop being a delusional angry foreigner stuck in Japan.
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northlondon
I feel sorry for the Japanese girls. The softball team win gold by beating the best team in the world, but the baseball players get all the attention plus the big salaries. And the womens soccer team get as far as the bronze medal game but again the mens team (knocked out of the first stage) get all the media attention.
Japanese women definitely wear the trousers in Japan.
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chibaman
Now that I think about it, I don't understand why Ichiro, Godzilla and Dice-K left Japan in the first place. After all, Japanese baseball is the best...right?
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hoserfella
I hope for Japan's sake they take this opportunity to realize the inferiority of their training and managerial abilities. It might work against the Netherlands of the baseball world, but not the big boys.
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RomeoRamenII
The gold medal post on this thread goes to northlondon.
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chibaman
Don't say the "i" word. I'm sure there were external factors at play. It did rain in Beijing yesterday.
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northlondon
Thanks, but I've just been busted for doping so I'll lose my gold medal. That old 'Russian cigarette handed in to the cops in the wallet I lost' routine..
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dogbert
Wow, sure doesn't take alot to get the two Koreans on this thread feeling as if they conquered the world.:) Koreans are really funny...my 5 year old niece acts in a similar way when she beats her 3 year old brother in tic tac toe. Funny how Korean adult males in their late 30's act in the exact same way. LOL
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outhouseout
These losses were not anywhere as bad as when US got a serious whhopping by the Mexicans in US with racist American umpires. Eventhough you type in capital letters. Korea is not the world champions as I alerady told you. Japn is.
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chibaman
The veteran Korean catcher was ruled out injured before the game and had to be replaced with a much less experienced guy. Oh wait, Korea won. So what's Japan's excuse? Bunch of pansies.
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RomeoRamenII
So what's Japan's excuse?
The sun kept getting in their eyes especially during the night games.
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chibaman
Can someone please tell me why Ichiro and Godzilla and Matsuzaka weren't around to help pansy Japan win today's do or die WORLD CHAMPION match?
My god there hasn't been this kind of nationwide devastation for a long, long time.
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outhouseout
Japan did not have it's best team. When Japan did they became the WOrld Champions. WHat's your excuse for US not being able to be world champions? Not enough steroids RR?
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Altria
I wanted to see Japan play well, but if they had managed to go through to the final at the expense of unbeaten Korea after losing to all top 3 teams, the whole tournament would have become a farce.
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hoserfella
just as I thought. Took a quick turn around the 5 o'clock news. I struggled to find a 30 second baseball blurb on NHK but they are playing a continuous loop on the women's softball.
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outhouseout
Finally the people with a brutal case of an inferiority complex admit reality. Japan is the world champions in baseball. Korea is now through to the finals in Olympic baseball. If Korea wins then Korea becomes the Olympic Champions which is not as higly rated as being the world champions.
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hoserfella
Tonight I will stuff myself with kimchi in honour of WORLD CHAMPION LEE KOREA!!
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chibaman
My goodness. That's quite the tune you're playing. I hope it makes you feel better. 100 year plus Olympic history with worldwide audience, versus inaugural World Baseball classic.
Don't worry, it should get easier with time.
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chibaman
Yep. Blink and you'll miss it. What a bunch of sore losers. Seriously. On the other hand we have yesterday's news...again...
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chibaman
No really, can someone please tell me why Ichiro and Godzilla and Matsuzaka weren't around to help pansy Japan win today's do or die WORLD CHAMPION match?
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outhouseout
You already missed it hosefella. They were playing loops and loops on Fuji TV. They don't have bilingual broadcast so you it probably went way over your head. Don't give up.
The reason why Matsuzaka, Godzilla, Ichiro were not allwed to play is because if US gave their best MLB players most of the Americans would be caught with steroids.
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RomeoRamenII
If Korea wins then Korea becomes the Olympic Champions which is not as higly rated as being the world champions
Heh, outhouse is getting overcome by the methane fumes he's inhaling. More people around the world will know who won the last baseball gold medal presented in the Olympics than who won (on technicalities) the first WBC.
RR
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chibaman
You are a liar, and a sore loser hoping to play the language card but it ain't gonna fly with him or me, loser.
Ok I'll re-phrase. Why do Japan's best players leave Japan to play baseball in a country that is not Japan?
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hoserfella
now, outhouse. What has my Japanese ability got to do with anything (Its darn good, by the way!) Is outhousey poutsy-woutsy?! Mr. man better go to bedsy-byes early tonite so he's not so grouchy tomorrow! All hail KING KOREA!!
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outhouseout
People who play and watch baseball knows that a WMC trophy is much more worth than the Olympics. Shame AMericans can't compete due to their drug habist unlike the Japanese. WBC have room for drug addicts yet the drug addicts despite playing at home with their racist umpires and the drug prescription got a serious whopping. Too funny. RR stick to facts.
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chibaman
Why do Japan's best players leave Japan to play baseball in a country that is not Japan?
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outhouseout
IF it is good you would not have missed the non bilingual broadcast on Fuji TV.
Finally. People are coming to terms with reality. Japan is the world champions.
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outhouseout
Japan had 1 MLB player when Japan became the world champions. Why is it so difficult besides having an inferiority complex to understand that Japan is the world champions?
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chibaman
Give it up loser. They brushed over it in 45 seconds at the beginning of the 5 o'clock news, then went on about yesterday's women again for half an hour, then came back again to discuss the men's humiliation for a couple of minutes, hoping they will never have to talk about it again. The shame. Unbearable shame.
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chibaman
And why do Japan's best players leave Japan to play baseball in a country that is not Japan?
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outhouseout
Get a dictionary and start learning Japanese chibaman. Ganbare.
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chibaman
Maybe I'll just jump on a Japanese forum or two and taunt them with the truth, and quote your lame, lame efforts to persuade people otherwise.
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chibaman
Why will the best players Japan produces in the future leave Japan to play baseball in a country that is not Japan?
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outhouseout
Why does chibaman live in a country he hates so much?
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hoserfella
Why does chibaman live in a country he hates so much? Uh-oh! Outhouse is starting to crack!
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chibaman
It's different from all the glossy brochures.
So why do Japan's best players leave Japan to play baseball in a country that is not Japan?
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outhouseout
Hang in there. Apart from your inferior complex, your life must be miserable. Stuck in Japan. Your life really must have been really miserable if you wanted to come to Japan in the first place. Are you from some kind of cave or something?
Now that we agree that Japan is the world champions in baseball. There was only 1 out of 9 Japanese who played in MLB. Well there was 2. The relief pitcher. The others were not playing in MLB. This means that most of the best players do not leave Japan and that Japan has the best baseball players in the world and that Japan is the world champions in baseball.
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chibaman
Your answer is unsatisfactory. Please exercise some common sense and address the question in a more comprehensible manner.
Why do Japan's best players leave Japan to play baseball in a country that is not Japan?
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chardk1
Wow, weirdest discussion ever. Japan is the reigning WBC champ, but it has never won gold in the Olympics. It also has never won the Baseball World Cup, which has been held since 1938. WBC stands for "World Baseball CLASSIC" not "World Baseball CHAMPIONSHIP" as some people seem to believe, and if you read the MLB baseball site the WBC is described as the world's premier "exhibition tournament." When the people running the show don't call it a legit world championship, it ain't a legit world championship. It's not that complicated.
Clearly, MLB is the premier baseball league in the world. Which is why Olympic baseball is mostly a sham, since most of the best players in the world from around the world are playing in the U.S. If you put that aside and just look at actual results in international competition, it's hard to argue that Cuba is not the best year in and year out. Japan always fields a good team and has a lot of good players, but undisputed world champion? I don't think there is factual or anecdotal evidence to support that assertion.
Ironically, the people who insist that Japanese baseball is the best and that the WBC is proof of that -- the only difference between the WBC and the Baseball World Cup is that the WBC is supported by Major League Baseball. So apparently even though you think America sucks and American baseball sucks, your definition of the only meaningful tournament is one organized by the Americans. How pathetic is that.
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Blue_Tiger
Well-done South Korea! A come-back victory! Could it be that they were motivated by Hoshino's words? At any rate, it was a fun game to watch, especially when Korea piled on two more runs on Wakui, the golden boy from Seibu. Once again, Japan is in the Bronze Medal game, much to the chagrine of the Japanese fans.
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chibaman
The Korean dominator that slammed home two runs in the 8th plays for the Yomiuri Giants. I hope everything stays civil in the aftermath.
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Blue_Tiger
Is it just me, or is this the third time in two Olympics that a foreigner who happens to play on a JBPL Team shut down the National Japan Team, sending them to the Bronze Medal match (in
04, it was Jeff Williams of Hanshin and the04 Australia Silver Medal Team)? Further, is it also the umpteenth time that the Japan Media has basically glossed over the loss by playing, playing, playing, and playing again a gold medal win in some other area?A further caveat: if the USA Loses to Cuba, you'd better believe the J-Media will be all over it, cutting apart every mistake the US Team made, and breaking down every weakness, and how Japan will exploit it (somethign they DIDN'T do before the games started, passing over the US Team as non-essential in their schedule....only to lose 4-2 in the Round Robin).
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USNinJapan2
outhouseout
Excuse me? That's your excuse? I just compared the player rosters of 2006 WBC Team Japan and this latest Hoshino Japan Olympic and you know what I found? Aside from the fact that both teams were comprised entirely of 'premier' Central and Pacific League players, TEN of them (i.e. most of the starters) are on both lists. In other words except for the few stars that moved up to the Big Leagues, these two teams are for the most part the same team. In comparison, NONE of the current US Olympic team players participated in the '06 WBC and NONE of them are current MLB players. So to conclude, the best baseball team that Japan can currently field (which includes ten WBC veterans) couldn't beat a bunch of American minor league kids (one's even an actual college student) when they managed to beat an American team loaded with MLB stars just two years ago. If that's not a downward trend I don't know what is.
What's telling is that not even the Japanese media, notorious for spinning defeats/chokes like this one, are relying on your extremely lame excuse that the Japanese have failed to become Olympic champions but that they are still world champions because of the '06 WBC. Good thing for Japan that their media don't share your delusional perspective.
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chibaman
Yes the WBC certainly makes that clear.
And what's more outhouse/mindyou, why do Japan's best players leave Japan to play baseball in a country that is not Japan?
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burikko
I'm a Hoshino hater. Therefore I say nothing today to the nag uncle.
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chibaman
Hey howcome I can't find any coverage of Japan's shameful loss today to their rivals on a nearby peninsula that Japan once annexed? Should I assume Japan lost, as I can't find much on it. They mumbled something in a 30 second sound-bite, and then after that it was 30 more minutes of yesterday's match again, and it was pretty loud and clear that Japan won that one. So what's the deal? Did this match go ahead today? Was it postponed or something? It's like it never existed.
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USNinJapan2
chibaman
We all know the media here's downplaying the baseball defeat and milking the softball gold, but it's to be expected. Give it a rest pal. You're starting to sound as bad as outhouseout/mindyou...
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chibaman
Alright tough man Hoshino, you might be spared in the tv coverage from the sheer embarrassment and post-overhype-disappointment that transpired today, but the newspapers tomorrow will leave nothing out. Shame, Hoshino, national shame. You promised us gold. Are you breaking that promise? You know how to take responsibility for this. Just don't disrupt public transportation near Chiba. Thanks and regards.
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chibaman
Sorry that last one went out after your request. And since you seem like a rational man, I will abide. But if I see disinformation rubbish from one certain (posing as two) poster, I may have to launch another barrage.
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helloklitty
If you call smearing his underwear with peanut butter civil.
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DS
Congrats to Korea for a well deserved win. I was cheering for Japan, but Lee's lads were clearly superior. It was obvious that Hoshino was NOT an inspirational leader. The players were not at their best, he was outmanaged by most other teams.
Having said that, what the Olympics shows is that many countries can field a very competitive all star team. The best of Korea is clearly at least equal to the best of Japan. However, in terms of depth of talent, Japan is still ahead. That is why Japan cherry picks many players from Korea (and Taiwan for that matter) to play in Nippon Pro Baseball. The reverse cannot be said. It is similar to the Major Leagues cherry picking the best Japanese players (and others from around the world) for MLB. And conversely, mediocre and/or career minor league MLB players can come to Japan or Korea and be stars.
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chibaman
That's a very sensible post DS.
If anyone is interested in local outrage, here is some from livedoor (me and Horiemon are still good buds)
http://news.livedoor.com/comment/list/3788100/
Iwase and Hoshino are getting a lot of crap.
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Pukey2
USA is sinking. Cuba is trashing the USA! Once Cuba gets to the final, I don't care who gets the gold.
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Pukey2
Japan and USA can now play for 'pride'.
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NagoyaGaijin
Congrats to Korea..tough break for Japan...
for the two snipers who have taken over this thread with their petty arguments..GROW UP!
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USNinJapan2
Game is over. Cuba 10, USA 2. I can't say I was happy with the US team's performance; kinda sloppy, too many errors, and they just lacked hussle.
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chibaman
Sorry.
What's the score? US vs Cuba
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Triple888
Wow so many comments! It's only a BASEBALL game verses SOUTH KOREA. I guess do Koreans and Japanese the match means more...
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chibaman
So Japan versus the US tomorow. Could Japan lose to the US again? The answer is yes.
He should put Darvish and Maaaaakun on again. They might be able to do something.
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chibaman
Nah half of it was my bickering with a delusional salarydrone.
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smithinjapan
Hehehe... sorry, but I was cheering for Korea 100%!! When Japan was winning, it was all over the media, and I could check the score on my keitai IMMEDIALY upon hitting the built-in Yahoo.jp button. Then, suddenly, it was gone.... had to click on sports, then baseball, then yahoo sports again, then baseball, then olympics, then finally 'Hoshino Japan vs. Korea' and found that Japan had gone up 4 runs!
Way to go Korea!!! I would say tough luck, Japan, but you deserved outright to lose. When I finally saw some news replay, and I admit I'm glad they had the heart to broadcast it when I thought they wouldn't, I did feel pretty sorry for the players; but then when Hoshino was being interviewed and said, literally, "Two lose by only two points is a shame" as though it was from the loss the other day, I lost all sympathy for the team. Hoshino didn't even notice the final score.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure they'll lose again tomorrow, too, and be in fourth overall. Most people will simply ignore it and pretend the olympics and baseball didn't exist together, but the truth remains, KOREA IS UNBEATABLE! If they don't get the gold tomorrow, it's a crime.
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pathat
Japan could not shut down Korea, even with its best relievers on the mound like Fujikawa and Iwase. No excuses. Korea was the better team. They beat Japan not once, but twice. Congratulations, Korea!
This Olympic baseball competition also demonstrates unequivocally the weakness of Japanese batters.
The Japanese have sent NPB top-level teams to both the 2004 and 2008 Olympics, with only a bronze medal to show for it in Sydney, and a 3rd or 4th place finish in Beijing. Pathetic.
If they lose to the U.S. in the bronze medal game, it will be a national humiliation. Considering the weakness of the Japanese lineup-even against U.S. minor leaguers-it is distinct possibility.
Good luck to the U.S. Get the bronze medal!
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smithinjapan
Outhouse: "The reason why Matsuzaka, Godzilla, Ichiro were not allwed to play is because if US gave their best MLB players most of the Americans would be caught with steroids."
Ummm... so you're fully admitting that the Japanese players you mention above are drug users.
"Why did you come to Japan in the first place... is your life so miserable?"
So... let me get this straight, mindyo-- err... outhouse -- you're saying your life has to suck to come to Japan.... hmmmm... that's not one you want to put on the commercials!
One more thing, outhouse, if Japan were truly the world champions, they would have won... plain and simple. In the first ever baseball classic (as opposed to one-hundred years of Olympics for which they never won gold EVER) they lost to Korea twice before, by luck of the US losing, they got to play one more game and won through luck again. Here they lost, and lost badly! They had their major league's BEST players, and lost.... not only against Korea (twice! haha!), but against minor league US players.
They are not the world's champions by any means, my friend. They are the world's fourth place champions as best. The baseball classic, which has only a few countries, means nothing. When Japan loses in the next baseball classic, just for proof (and the system has been improved so that they can't lose three times and still win the competition!), you'll finally see the light.
Good job Korea. You are truly the world champions! I look forward to the game results tomorrow (they won't broadcast it here, I'm sure).
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pathat
I have really heard a lot of strange, fact-challenged statements from a number of Japanese the past few days. The story seems to be developing that the U.S. has done poorly at these Olympics because its gold medal total is behind that of China.
Of course China deserves great credit for its accomplishments leading into the final days of this Olympiad.
But I cannot help but think that the Japanese media is doing this misleading story binge to draw attention away from the facts. The facts show that Japan is having a poor Olympics itself in relation to Athens. In 2004, Japan won 37 medals, including 16 golds. Right now, in 2008, Japan has only 24 medals, garnering 9 golds, and with a reasonable expectation of only a few more medals. Talk about a significant dropoff.
In contrast, even with the bungling of the U.S. 4X100 relay teams, the U.S. has won 101 medals in China, including 30 golds, and reasonable prospects of at least a few more. The U.S. won 102 medals in 2004, with 36 golds. The U.S. performance overall has been excellent again these Olympic Games.
Japan should pay more attention to its own shortcomings, instead of spewing garbage about the U.S. that is simply not true.
Maybe Japan can get lucky and win the bronze in baseball tomorrow.
But the U.S. will easily surpass its overall medal total from Athens, and near or pass its gold medal total, too. Another great effort, U.S.!
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smithinjapan
Pathat: "But I cannot help but think that the Japanese media is doing this misleading story binge to draw attention away from the facts. The facts show that Japan is having a poor Olympics itself in relation to Athens. In 2004, Japan won 37 medals, including 16 golds. Right now, in 2008, Japan has only 24 medals, garnering 9 golds, and with a reasonable expectation of only a few more medals. Talk about a significant dropoff."
What are you talking about?? (sarcasm). I'm sure if you search back to the days before the Olympics you'll still find the 'Japan EXPECTS record medal haul' article. Hehehe. They will show anything BUT Japanese footage of losses in an attempt to circumvent the truth of the fact that they are sore losers. Instead of being proud of their accomplishments, they're embarrassed by their losses. It's hard to blame them... the media hyped 'Hoshino Japan', etc., so much that it's really really got to be hard to swallow things. The media here, I have come to know, is the most absolutely pathetic in the world. I honestly used to think the US was the worst (being from Canada we of course get heaps of US channels/coverage), but no way is it worse than Japan's.
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chibaman
I can't help but feel that the Hoshino non-gold is like a massive black eye and shadow over the end of the Olympics, and when people refer back to the Beijing Games, it'll be oh yeah we Hoshino Japan lost to Korea in the baseball. Well they'll think that anyway, not say it out loud.
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pathat
Congratulations to the Japanese men on the bronze medal in the 4X100 relay. The Japan team effort proves that teamwork pays off in the relays, something the Americans were unable to figure out.
Good job, Japan.
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USNinJapan2
Pukey2
Seems you like the broken-record trick yourself. I'm just going to repost what I already posted to you on a different thread where you said the exact same thing you said above...
If gold medals are all that matter why do they have silver and bronze medals at all? Do you feel that the nations (most of them) that have won many medals but no gold medals shouldn't take pride in their athletes' achievements?
Speaking of jealousy, how many medals has your country won? Did it even manage any double digits? Why don't YOU go calculate the difference in medals (any color) between your country and the USA. Then get back to me.
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burikko
TV stations can't criticize Hoshino because they had been flattering him. Hoshino appeared on talk shows and TV ads that have no relationship with baseball very often. And he had talked about morals arrogantly, and sometimes about politics. He was not director of baseball but TV personality. For TV stations, to criticize Hoshino means self-abnegation.
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pathat
I disagree with people who try to diminish the importance of silver and bronze medals. The U.S. has been remarkably consistent with its medal totals in the past 6 Olympics-counting ones in which all countries participated-and taking into account the huge difference in medal events prior to the 1980s. The accomplishments of the Americans time and again show the outstanding depth of the American Olympic squads and varied talents of the American athletes.
With the Americans assured of two medals in basketball, the American men and women playing the volleyball title matches, and the U.S. minor leaguers playing Japan for bronze in baseball, the U.S. is going to challenge its highest overall medal total-minus 1984 LA-of 108 from Barcelona in 1992. The U.S. still has a chance of equalling or exceeding its 36 golds from Athens.
Back on topic: I am curious to see the reception Lee Seung-Yeop gets when he returns to the Giants. He was not exactly on good terms with the organization this year, and I wonder if they will want him around next year.
I hope Korea wins the gold over Cuba.
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burikko
About 400 comments have been posted on Yahoo Japan BBS. 95% of them including me blamed Hoshino. Few persons blamed the players.
Yeah, we are wholesome.
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yosun
it's Olympics tradition that the rank of the whole game is according to the medal count of the GOLD! That including the game of 1984 LA olympics and 1996 Atlanta olympics and all other 27 Olympics games. Let the truth speak!
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yosun
Olympic medal rankings From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The whole idea of ranking a country by medal count has always been a controversial issue in determining top ranking.[1] Most of the world's media ranks in the 'gold first' manner, with the number of golds determining rank, then number of silvers, then the number of bronzes. The US media has for many years generally ranked countries in an 'overall total' manner, with all medals being added up and a ranking based on which country has the most[2]. Some individuals promote a systematic ranking based upon a point system with the greater points awarded to a gold medal.
The IOC is not allowed to produce an official ranking by the terms of the Olympic charter. It has taken the approach of releasing 'information' based on the 'gold first' standard, but the medal tables provided on its website carry this disclaimer:
“ The International Olympic Committee (IOC) does not recognise global ranking per country; the medal tables are displayed for information only. Furthermore, the results that we publish are official and are taken from the "Official Report" - a document published for each Olympic Games by the Organising Committee. However, for the first Olympic Games (until Antwerp in 1920), it is difficult to give the exact number of medals awarded to some countries, due to the fact that teams were composed of athletes from different countries. The medal tables by country are based on the number of medals won, with gold medals taking priority over silver and bronze. A team victory counts as one medal. ” —International Olympic Committee
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pathat
burikko wrote:
Hoshino has done a poor job-very true.
But the players MUST be blamed for their inability to hit the baseball. This is not something that Hoshino can do for them. We are not talking about a HS team. We are talking about many of the top NPB players, and they cannot do anything at the plate. The weakness of the Japanese batters is their fault, not that of Hoshino.
Additionally, many Japanese think that Fujikawa and Iwase are two of the best relievers around-including MLB. They could not shut down Korea, either.
Japan screwed up all around. The team is not as talented as many Japanese want to believe. Japan got only bronze in 2004, was lucky to get through the WBC after losses to Korea and the "disputed" one to the U.S., and has lost 4 games already in these Olympics.
I have watched Japanese pro baseball since the early 1990s, and I think the overall of Japanese baseball is getting worse-notwithstanding the individual talents of Ichiro and Matsuzaka and a few other Japanese MLBers. I think many Japanese baseball fans tend to misunderstand this, and that they also overestimate the importance of the WBC title.
Perhaps in its headlong, half-century rush to upstage the Americans in a baseball competition or two, the Japanese forgot to take into account that not only could they improve at the game of baseball, but that other countries could equal them, or surpass them, in baseball skill.
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smithinjapan
"No, actually I was simply pointing out that by adding the unnecessary "u" to your spelling that you are clearly indentifying yourself as a non-American. So why should we Americans care what you think about our sports programs ? Get it ? Maybe not. As this ongoing tirade exhibits,"
You're whole point was that you'd side with the IOC over someone who spells colour with an 'extra u'. Now, tell me, how many in the IOC, member-wise, do NOT use a 'u' in the spelling of colour?? Come on, lad! You made it clear that you were trying to undermine my opinion by saying I am non-American... so tell me how many on the IOC, whom you strongly agree with over me based on spelling, are American!
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smithinjapan
Pathat: FINALLY! back to the game, and not a thread about the idiotic concept that the number of medals matters more than the colour. I mean, if the actual number mattered more, Japan and the US should have just folded in baseball and gone for a bronze medal match.... or wait.... maybe that's what they've done. Hell, then, Japan should be more than happy to lose to Korea and go for bronze... it's the exact same thing, after all.
Anyway, I agree with you, 100%! It's not just Hoshino, but ALL the players. Mindyou-become-Outhouse stated that perfectly well, though unintentionally, by stating every game how much the losing pitchers were awful, but how great the next ones would be... but when they lost, how much they were to blame, but how great the next ones would be, ad nauseum. It wasn't the pitchers, wasn't the players, wasn't the coach, it was ALL OF THEM that sucked as a unit, when they should have worked better together, and the Korean team showed how well they CAN do it. A few of the Japanese team do very well on their own, but clearly as a team they cannot muster the skill to beat even part-time players from other countries.
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hoserfella
all entertaining stuff here, and I must say I'm amazed that the mods haven't ruined it with their usual, self-important "such language reflects badly on you" BS as if this nickel and dime website was the NY Times or something.
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smithinjapan
Hoserfella: You should go back to the beginning... when people were actually talking about the game! I don't think the mods are even going to bother sifting through this thread to find comments that are 'not related to the post', etc. More than 80% would disappear, which would mean an all-nighter for the mods. Not only that, but it would mean at least one or two handle changes for people who just changed them this afternoon.
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pathat
I think the U.S. should be proud of the fact that it will win the overall medal total, and equal/surpass not only its gold total of 2004, but very probably top its best ever Olympics medal total of 108 in Barcelona.
At the same time, China has done a great job with these Olympics. They deserve all the compliments they have gotten for everything connected with the Games-from the organization down to each and every competition.
China will win the gold medal total. Congratulations. The U.S. will win the overall total. Congratulations. Japan will have a smaller medal haul than at Athens. Too bad, so sad.
A bronze medal in the baseball will not erase the shame Japan now feels.
I think the U.S. will win anyway.
GO KOREA in the gold medal game.
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pathat
LOL
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hoserfella
I think mindyou/outhouse is working on his 4th or 5th handle since 2pm.
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boobug
"Tell me, how many people on the IOC are Americans and spell colour without the 'u'.... I'm dying to know!"
Good god don't go "dying" on me. might I suggest you find the answer yourself. Just wiki up the IOC members list, very easy. But again, you seem completely lost on my comment. I'd suggest you stop, re-read my post, think a bit... no more than that, and try to comprehend the statement that I would rather believe the IOC's viewpoint on the medal rankings over a JT poster. Slowly now smithinjapan, you are starting to worry me.
And pathat, you are probably right:
"I think the U.S. should be proud of the fact that it will win the overall medal total, and equal/surpass not only its gold total of 2004, but very probably top its best ever Olympics medal total of 108 in Barcelona."
Too bad many a JT poster don't embrace your enthusiasm. I sure do ! Again, this has been one outstanding performance by team America !
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burikko
pathat,
I will apologize, if my comment had obstructed your discussion. But these games are not only baseball game but also cultural matter for the Japanese, I think. Even many people who don't well know baseball are interested in these games, because media incited people. And Hoshino appeared on TV again and again, then he preached us morals that had no relationship with baseball, sometimes it's political. I want you to know these situations, but I'm sorry.
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dogbert
I hope Cuba whips Korea into humiliation to quell the typical Korean arrogant and obnoxious gloating and bragging that follows every victory.
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ProudKoreanGuy
That smacks clearly against what the Japanese are always known and admired for by Koreans - excellent teamwork. Koreans are usually the ones known to work better indivdually but poorly as a unit - at least compared to the Japanese. Anyway, you can be sure that, up until the 8th inning, there were whole lot of Koreans screaming to pull Lee Seung-Yeop out of the game and I was one who felt the same way. But, the SK manager Kim's stubborn faith in him paid off, luckily for the SK team. Otherwise, he would've been THE GOAT, if SK lost. On the other hand, in a postgame interview with Korean media, Hoshino was asked why did not leave Iwase in the game to continue pitching, after Lee's homerun, but whether doing so would have been the solution for Japan is a moot point, now, and we would never know how that decision could have affected the outcome. One more thing, SK should not count on another come-from-behind win against Cuba, this time, because if it falls behind in scoring by more than two points early in the final, its chance to win the gold will be from slim to none, imo.
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kimigano
There are no points in baseball.
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ProudKoreanGuy
OK, I meant "runs"... same thing, geez.
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kimigano
Not the same thing. Not by a long shot.
Learn about the game in question.
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pathat
burikko:
"I will apologize, if my comment had obstructed your discussion. But these games are not only baseball game but also cultural matter for the Japanese, I think. Even many people who don't well know baseball are interested in these games, because media incited people. And Hoshino appeared on TV again and again, then he preached us morals that had no relationship with baseball, sometimes it's political. I want you to know these situations, but I'm sorry."
No need to apologize. We are all allowed our opinions here.
You say the "media incited people." This is exactly what many of us on JT are complaining about. We listened to this Hoshino Japan crap this year and got sick of it.
"Hoshino appeared on TV again and again...."
Yes, he belongs in the TV booth only. He had been out of the game of baseball for a few years now, but the Japan Baseball people foolishly chose him to manage the team in Beijing, and this decision was based too much on his popularity in years past in NPB.
Burikko: What many Japanese need to understand is that the Japanese team is simply not that good. They have talent, to be sure-especially a few individuals-but they are not more talented overall than some other teams in the competition, which speaks volumes about the declining level of play in NPB.
The Japanese have exaggerated the lucky victory in the WBC into this ludicrous belief that they should triumph in international competitions like the 2008 Olympics. Criticize Hoshino all you want-he deserves it-but you need to also blame the players for such poor performances.
Perhaps after losing so many games in international competitions from 2000 to Australia, the U.S., Korea, and Cuba(and without the talented Dominican Republic in most of the competitions), the Japanese will finally realize that they are just one of many countries in the world trying to be the best at baseball, and the track record this decade-even with the WBC title figured in-is not all that impressive.
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ProudKoreanGuy
Not the same thing. Not by a long shot.
Learn about the game in question.
runs = scores, period. And that's what matters in the end, because that determines the winners and losers. It's not a rocket science.
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outhouseout
Japan is still the world champions but it is very close. It is not as if Japan is the world champions by a mile. Nevertheless. Japan is still the World Champions. Baseball as in global sport. You have Japan which is the best and right behind Japan you have Korea, Cuba and behind them you have US and Dominican Republic.
If you compare it to football. You have Brazil, Italy, Spain, Germany etc and England which is no good. A bit like USA of football. Only hype and little substance.
Congratulations Korea. Now I hope you go all the way. Lee Seung-Yeop who has been having a miserable season for Yomiuri sinks Japan. Life goes on.
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Triple888
"In short, China, without the assistance of the judges, would be nowhere near the US totals. But hey, didn't we know this was going to happen beforehand ?"
How silly for the judges to award 9 golds to Phelps.
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chibaman
outhouse/mindyou, your posts are pathetic and are best ignored.
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smithinjapan
ProudKorean: "That smacks clearly against what the Japanese are always known and admired for by Koreans - excellent teamwork."
Well, whether or not the Koreans are renowned for their teamwork... I'll give you that one, and admit I don't fully well know... but Japanese are NOT good at it. Look at any team sport they've been involved in with more than a few players/athletes, and especially men's soccer.
Anyway, adios, team Hoshino. You are certainly NOT the world champions.
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lazyman0909
If you score 2 runs, your team is not going to win very often. These games have been very entertaining. I have to wonder why Hoshino pitched Iwase rather than Uehara. Is Japan saving Darvish for the Bronze medal game? If Hoshino Japan wins the bronze medal they will be heroes. After the softball team showed so much heart and determination in winning the gold these guys looked like they didn't care. Just my 2 cents worth.
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hoserfella
uh-oh. Now they're getting schooled by the States 8-4....
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USNinJapan2
Game over. USA 'mows down' Japan 8-4. See ya Hoshino.
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Pukey2
Yeah, USA won the bronze! Yippee. Look, Boobug, I'm happy for you and USA.
ANOTHER bronze.
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RomeoRamenII
Japan's all-star team owned by U.S. minor league players.
Too funny
RR
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hoserfella
somwhere birds are singing, children playing and the sun is shining. But not in Mud..I mean Japan. The mighty outhouse has struck out...
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ProudKoreanGuy
The Japanese baseball team should forget about applying for a visa extension and, instead, apply for an asylum in China, now.
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USNinJapan2
Pukey2
That's right, they're meaningless unless they're gold. In that case it must be awful to be from a country with little to celebrate...
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boobug
Pukey2:
"Yeah, USA won the bronze! Yippee. Look, Boobug, I'm happy for you and USA.ANOTHER bronze."
Pukey2 this is a perfect example of how winning the bronze is a major reason to celebrate. The Americans put together a bunch of kids to come over here and take on the professionals at the Olympics. And look what happened, they medaled ! After the game they gathered en masse around the pitchers mound, slapped backs and shook hands, real class ! In interviews they praised the Japanese for their efforts but most of all gushed with pride at what they had accomplished. Yes indeed pukey2 we Americans will relish this bronze, totally unexpected, and completely earned on the field of play. These kids took on Japan's best and whooped them good, end of story.
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ProudKoreanGuy
(IHT/Asahi: August 25,2008)
Hoshino said Japanese baseball fans should not become despondent because his team was unable to medal at the Beijing Games.
"I want the fans in Japan to know that Japanese baseball is not really like this," Hoshino said. "It just happened that during the period of this Olympic competition the team was not in good condition."
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cwhite
I wish I could see more bashing like this for other sports like Water Polo or Equestrian.... oh wait, did they even televise them? Missed the reruns for Modern pentathlon as well...
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