Is it time to ditch the climate 'bible'?

It is September, and we are already seeing snow in Japan and America. The IPCC has a tough sell this year. Of the main computer models they have used to extort money from governments and individuals, none have proved remotely accurate. The actual change in climate was below the minimum predicted by the models.

Some IPCC scientists are also becoming skeptical of the role of CO2 in climate changing, with some reports saying that the effect was "grossly overstated".

This next report may well be the last, because it will likely be as wrong as all the previous reports have been

Climate change is real and it is happening now! It is also accelerating very rapidly. Greenland has lost a quarter of its ice in the last ten years. The combination of pumping huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere and cutting down huge swaths of forest is creating a runaway greenhouse effect that is changing the planet's climate dramatically and these effects will increase over the next half a century. Rising sea levels, stronger storms and increased areas of drought are real. The saddest thing is, it is already too late to stop it. The next stage of the catastrophe is the raising of ocean temperatures, which will release millions of tons of frozen methane gas into the atmosphere. Methane is ten times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2. The Earth's surface temperature has increased by 1' in the last fifty years. Yeah, it doesn't sound like much, but as the greenhouse gases build up the temperature increase will become much more rapid. It is setting up scenario to see the repeat of the Cambrian extinction that wiped out 95% of all life on earth in a runaway greenhouse effect. Happy holidays folks!

Fewer and fewer people are believing in mad made climate change, and this organization is desperate to hold on to its power, just like any other governmental body.

Scientists on either side can't even agree that ice is growing or shrinking.

Not the clear mandate to force feed economic disaster.

gaijininfo - Fewer and fewer people are believing in mad made climate change

That's not quite right. More and more people are believing the downplaying of the seriousness of the current climate change to secure economic stability. I don't think I'd be investing in any waterfront property.

Scientists on either side can't even agree that ice is growing or shrinking.

You can find hundreds of time lapsed videos of glaciers that have been disappearing at an ever increasing rate. It is normal for glaciers to disappear over time, but it is not normal for their speed and flow to increase dramatically over a short period of time. You can combine this with the consequential rise in sea level to confirm the ice is melting.

The actual evidence refutes everything they have said. The ice caps have grown, the climate is cooler but they keep deceiving the people by saying "scientists" say. There are more scientists that disagree with them than do agree. In the article it states that they also carry the approval of governments as if that is supposed to make us trust them. Governments only lie and they love lies that will help them take more money from the people, especially lies that will make people fear as it is easier to control people with fear. The demise of "global warming" may it forever rest in peace.

Seems some posters are still hung up on the words "global warming" that has always been the wrong way to describe what IS happening & that's climate change. The former was simply more attention getting 20yrs ago.

You have to realize the changes we are seeing normally take place over 1000s, tens, hundreds of thousands of years, what we have been seeing over the last few decades is absolutely stunning in relation to geologic time.

As one poster said we may well already be too late, but it man kind keeps up they way we are it will come crashing down bigtime & mother nature will let us have it big time, heck its already happening in small violent doses but appears mother nature will have to make these events a little bigger to get more peoples attention sadly!!

Even IF (and it's a big, unproven IF) the climate IS changing due to humans, there's really not much to do.

Governments are ALWAYS the least efficient. If they REALLY wanted to "save" people, they would just publish a daily "climate change" index, and let people respond to it however they like (e.g move away from the coast).

But since governments and government backed organizations ALWAYS attract those that crave power more than anything else, this is just another excuse, in the long history of the government mis-management of society, to give themselves more power over what people do with their lives.

Those scientist who disagree with man caused climate change are actually few and far between ( and often sponsored by oil companies and those who stand to gain by climate change denial). 95% of all Climatologist agree that this climate change is created and accelerated by man .... Mainly through fossil fuel use. Fat chance of the " private sector" getting a handle on something they have created with little forethought or concern in the first place. Companies must be regulated by the government, or like most if us, they'll take what seems to be the easy road of no self-regulation. That idea sounds a lot like Trickle down economics and we can where that has gotten us.

gaijinfo you need to get a better understanding of the number years it took for ice ages to come & go way before man was big on the scene, seriously

Funny, the arctic regained nearly all the ice it lost over recent years last by last August (which was during the summer, for the climate-challenged out there) as there were only half as many days above freezing as normal. The ice accumulated so quckly that many marine animals could not outrun it. Antarctic ice has reached the highest levels ever recorded, but this is never mentioned by the IPCC. Glaciers around the world are beginning to surge again. Last year the IPCC predicted more hurricanes and tornadoes, but instead, there was a record lack of these events.

Leaked emails from the CRU quoted IPCC climate "scientists" trying to find a way to "hide the decline" in global temperatures by modifying or not including tree ring data in their climate models. More IPCC scientists have jumped ship, and become skeptics, with one calling climate change the "greatest scientific fraud ever perpetrated". The upcoming IPCC report will state that CO2 may not really be the main driving force behind climate change (after causing governments to spend billions to reduce CO2), though they persist in saying that there is a "discernable human influence" on the climate, even though they have not yet found a new cause.

Global Warming/Climate Change is entering it's death throes, and for those who have squandered hundreds of billions of dollars into their cause, it is not going to be pretty.

the arctic regained nearly all the ice it lost over recent years last by last August (which was during the summer, for the climate-challenged out there)

Oh dear. Talk about climate-challenged......

Year-on-year comparison means that August this year is compared with August last year, August the year before, etc., etc. Whether it is summer or winter makes no difference so long as it's the same month.

According to the graph put out by the National Snow & Ice Data Center, there is more ice this year than last year - when record lows were recorded. You'd expect it to be more than a record low, otherwise it would be another record low and headline news. 2013 is on the lower end of the +/-2 deviation, consistently lower than the 1981-2010 average, and the sixth-lowest year on record. No way has the Arctic 'regained nearly all the ice it lost over recent years'. It's just not quite as bad as last year, is all.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Climate change is real and it is happening now! It is also accelerating very rapidly. Greenland has lost a quarter of its ice in the last ten years.

Arctic ice caps have indeed shrunk. How ever Antarctic ice caps have grown. This is most likely a natural planetary phenomenon.

Climate is never static, always changing as it is a natural phenomenon, measured in decades or more, not year-on-year. The issue is how much the planet's most materially productive species affects it, whether insignificant or significant, and if so accelerating or decelerating it and if there's anything that can be done about it.

Nobody knows for certain either way right now, just feasibilities - that's why more and more studies need to be done. It'd be remiss of the human race to drop everything right now and proclaim they've figured it all out one way or another. (Even the Theory of Evolution took decades of constant studies before it had enough cache to be accepted or rejected one way or another - and they're still studying it, refining it. Before the Theory of Evolution, people thought species are static, never changing. It takes awhile for a revolutionary theory to be studied enough to be accepted or rejected - and it could still change depending on new evidence collected in further studies - it's a theory, not a law.)

You mean a totally opaque process- all done behind closed doors in a mega-meeting of political representatives. Its definitely not peer-reviewed. Involving collection of various sources including the output of activist groups and press releases as well as draft scientific paper and some actually journal peer reviewed but never confirmed- a mass of white, grey and black sources.

gaijinfo: Fewer and fewer people are believing in mad made climate change, and this organization is desperate to hold on to its power, just like any other governmental body. Scientists on either side can't even agree that ice is growing or shrinking. Not the clear mandate to force feed economic disaster.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZSJzfpS5Tk

Look, scientists will say whatever they need to, to maximize their grant money. The last ice age peaked 11000 years ago. We are still coming out of it. Yes we're getting warmer. End of story

ctcrawf,

Yeah but mankind is clearly speeding things along, end of story

http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/mindex.shtml

I don't think this report suggest in any way that humans are not a significant cause of the most recent increases in climate change. Please take time to read the whole report.

Also there are not " many scientist " jumping ship and denying climate change. Perhaps this is reported by Breitbart, but not by any actual news outlets.

I don't think this report suggest in any way that humans are not a significant cause of the most recent increases in climate change. Please take time to read the whole report

I no longer believe the IPCC reports because the "discernable human influence" phrase was added to chapter 8 of the 1996 report without being approved by the peer review group.

The original, peer-reviewed chapter 8 read as follows: "none of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed [climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases." "No study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate change observed to date] to anthropogenic causes".

Since these findings didn't agree with what "policymakers" wanted, it was changed to "there is a discernable human influence".

Since peer-reviewed science takes second place to the desires of politicians, why even bother?