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Why Britain is losing its fight against radicalisation

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Because they let the radicals in in the first place? An island nation brought low by immigrants. How sad...

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scipantheist is absolutely correct. Third-world stone age beliefs imported and injected into an advanced nation and allowed to fester until that country is brought to its knees. Incredible! Should never have let them past immigration.

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Looks like UKIP-style nasty racism is alive and kicking, on this site at least.

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“By all means arrest the ones that break the law, by all means tighten the law and close the loopholes as long it’s not incompatible with our values of society ... but what you also have to do is make sure your counter message is out there on a scale comparable to theirs,” he said.

... So what he's endorsing is censorship. And precisely who determines what is "incompatible with our values of society"? Because it certainly isn't society.

This is utter B.S. More censorship and less freedom masquerading under the "War against terror". The only thing that terrorises me about this is how little freedom and information we'll have once it is done, and how much the government can do without consulting anyone or disclosing anything.

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Looks like UKIP-style nasty racism is alive and kicking, on this site at least.

Its these kind of comments that really help UKIP. When you tell people they're racist for wanting some reasonable control over immigration it really emboldens their stance.

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" But, Muslim groups say little or no progress can be made on radicalisation until politicians confront the elephant in the room - the foreign policy of Britain and its allies.

Radicals say Britain and the West prop up dictators in Muslim lands, and turn a blind eye to oppression if it suits their political and economic interests. "

Yes... and look who fills the vacuum every time western powers step in and remove "dictators in muslim lands".... the religious radicals! Talk about double.speak...

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When you import third-worlders from war torn countries that have known violence, bitterness and hopelessness then this is the end result. All those negative experiences have a very deleterious effect on an developing brain. So when they do arrive, they bring the violence with them.

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@daveskecks

When you tell people they're racist for wanting some reasonable control over immigration it really emboldens their stance.

I'm all for reasonable immigration control. But "an island nation brought low by immigrants" is racist claptrap. And UKIP are currently a source of comfort and support for those espousing such views.

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i think the term "radicalisation" is stupid.

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I should have said "radical immigrants". I'm not saying it would be impossible for a muslim to get through my ideal immigration system, but ya know... camels and needles and all.

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Lucabrasi, I don't always agree with you, but in this instance, yes. Britain is NOT on its knees thanks to radicals... that's rubbish of the grand order. Britain has 65 million people, 2.7 million of them are Muslims... a few thousand at most are radicalised enough to pop off to the Middle East to take up the gun and become terrorists.

UKIP would want the people of Britain to believe our country is in the grip of the Imams preaching hate and terror... Farrage and his ilk are using this to whip up fear and mistrust.

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I don't mean to be rude here....but the radicals are simply reacting to crimes done by the alliance of the willing. I am not a muslim, however, these so called Britain, USA and Australia were I go into to the middleast with the idea of playing the police and then creating worse chaos than before they entered. It seems like they take advantage of any situation for the sake of the dollar. The muslims....and the orthodox chrisitian church coexist harmoniously in places of the middle east , however, there are other Christian denominations that the US and Britain and Australia will support fo rtheir agenda ....eg...the catholics in the middle east...they will use them to create a false sense that they are there for to help these people. There is religious and political interests form the west. However, the more experience Russians know the situation a lot better and seems to see into the shit that the US do. The US have done some of the most atrocious warm crimes in history. They are basically war criminals. It seems like alot of racism as well as religious bigotry coming from the west. Why is it that the orthodox church doesn't have hangup with the muslims. Greece and Turkey are rivals but they co exist well. I am trying to push a point across to the anglo sphere that there is alot of bigotry and racism coming from the west,,,,not only to the middleast ....but also to Russia and to countries which the US finds it hard to control... And don't give me this bs that these people live with morals and standards that are 1500 years old. How about you go and look at the Iranians,,,,they are modern there. Going to fight extremism from a moral high ground will not work. And it wont work by taking on a 2 prong approach....how stupid. Unless they confront these people on a really profound level and on the level and square.......the situation will be one of retaliation. Its the west that starts the trouble in the guise of selling weapons and peace missions. I used to have respect to the west, however, over what I have seen. The west make me want to puke now after what I see,,,the racism, the condescending approach and the barbarism.

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I dont care if these "British" people are black white or green - whoever they are, you go against the boundaries of a civilised society, youre out. They want to be in Syria so badly - go live over there and be a citizen. No surprises that when the government talked about that, 30 or so of the people who had already gone over there started freaking out and begging for an amnesty so they could return "home".

Im proud of Britains multiculturalism to a point. But just like I wouldnt dream of moving to Saudi Arabia and demanding they start following my rules, nor should immigrants to the UK start demanding Sharia law, or the burka. you follow the rules and traditions of the country you choose to live in. Just like we do in Japan. Often you can bring something positive to the table that the new country can enjoy themselves - the Divali festival of lights is one that springs to mind. the most mindblowing tasty currys is another obvious one. Bollywood - fantastic. In Japan - Halloween, Christmas, and probably the Easter Bunny will be next. Violent extremism is clearly not on the list.

But its not only imported extremism that is the problem, its the destruction of the fabric on which the country has been built. I sat with my mouth hanging open at a parent-teacher meeting the other day at my kids school here in the US - we are planning the events for this year. We are not allowed to call it "Halloween" anymore because it might offend some people. Christmas is now the "holidays" and - heres the kicker - we are not allowed to use green and red colors - it has to be blue and silver. If anyone can explain to me how red and green has some kind of religious connotation Id love to hear it.

Im all for multiculturalism. Heck, my own family is a melting pot with various adoptions and international marriages. But bring your best bits and leave the garbage at the door.

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With all of the open borders and lawlessness from illegals in the US we are doomed

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However, the more experience Russians know the situation a lot better and seems to see into the shit that the US do.

If you live in the Bazarro world of Russian media yeah! How is life on a flat earth orbited by the sun?

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We can all agree that ISIS are monstrous evil scum.

And we nourish them by looking the other way when those culturally closer to us perpetrate their own evil.

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Thunderbird:

" Lucabrasi, I don't always agree with you, but in this instance, yes. Britain is NOT on its knees thanks to radicals... that's rubbish of the grand order. Britain has 65 million people, 2.7 million of them are Muslims... a few thousand at most are radicalised enough "

You are presenting static numbers and wishful thinking. The dynamic numbers are different. Just look at the huge difference in birthrates; like in other European countries, the demographics of the coming generations is hugely different. And demographics is the future. Already today, the most frequent boy`s name in the UK is "Mohammed"...

About the "few thousand who are radicalized enough"... maybe. But look at the opinion polls asking young muslims about Shariah. Roughly HALF of them want the constitution replaced with Shariah. The should scare the heck out of you. And that is coming down the pipeline.

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WiiliB... the UK will not be consumed by a jihad. One act of murder against an off-duty soldier (Lee Rigby) effectively made every person in this country aware of what radicals are capable of. The two Britons murdered by ISIS even had the Imams making public statements against radical muslims who in some warped way think it's some romantic ideal to fight.

Farrage is a joke... a laughing loon who uses the fear and ignorance to persuade the Sun readers that our country is about to be swamped. He's a nutter.

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@Thunderbird

Spot on.

Don't people remember the IRA? Not even The Sun newspaper condemned Irish people as a whole, the way people are rushing to condemn Muslims as if they were all the same.

Britain's a big country... We've got room for all types, even Yorkshiremen. ; )

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A stark lesson of what bad immigration policy can do to a country.

The tragedy is that the policy was based on the false premise of a demographics crisis, which have never occurred anywhere in the industrialized world, including here in Japan, where living standards are actually rising.

Britain never needed the massive postwar immigration in the first place.

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Britain has always been an island of immigration. Those who think it's a new phenomena, and also believe that all those radicalised are immigrants, are just ill informed or willfully ignorant. UKIP, and those who vote for them, disgust me. They are anti-British as they oppose traditional British values of tolerance and social acceptance.

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"Britain has always been an island of immigration."

Maybe in 1066, But since then, not nearly to the extent today. 80 percent of school kids in Inner London are non-white British, and about 65% for the capital city overall. This is unprecedented, By historical standards, the numbers are off the charts.

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@JeffLee. I'm from London, no need to lecture me. So what if some British citizens are non-white? Why is that an issue? London is the most racially mixed place on the planet, so it's no surprise that many children do not fit into your homogenous ideal. My kids are non-white British - do you have a problem with that?

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@JeffLee

Why even mention the colour of the skin of a British child?

Unless you're of the type that judges people by skin colour....

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@lucabrasi, elizabeth heath

I think you're making a lot of assumptions about his post. In fact he didn't lecture anyone, say homogeneity is his ideal or anything negative or positive. White British is one of the ethinicity classifications used in the UK census. I interpreted what he wrote as "not White British", not as "British but non-white"

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Why is the colour of these British citizens an issue? Why did JeffLee bring colour into it at all?

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"Why did JeffLee bring colour into it at all?"

Because I read about in the left-leaning Guardian. Ok, here's another metric that hopefully you'd find more politically correct: half of all school kids in inner London have a first language that is not English. For greater London, it's nearly 40%.

Such numbers are unprecedented. Your claim suggestion that the current situation is somehow consistent with British immigration and demographic patterns throughout history is clearly wrong....way wrong.

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@JeffLee. Again - so what? If people have a first language that isn't English it's not an issue. I'm still waiting for you to say why you find it such.

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"If people have a first language that isn't English it's not an issue."

Today around half the school kids in the central capital are that way. You said this immigration trend is not a "new phenomena." My posts refute your argument, pointing out the numbers have never been anywhere near this high. Well, now that's cleared up, you can admit you were wrong.

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