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This photo, released on Saturday by Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), shows the damaged No. 3 reactor building at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Okuma, Fukushima Prefecture. Officials said Sunday the plant is now relatively stable.
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some14some
such a small fraction of No.3 reactor building? Or main unit is behind this fence?
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Disillusioned
Relatively stable? Relative to what?
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tigerguy
That does not look good! and they relaxed the evacuation zone so more people can breathe the chernobyl-like radiation.
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electric2004
Sure they will not restart it next week.
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alladin
That sure does not look stable to me. It`s just another lie by TEPCO.
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Elbuda Mexicano
They say a picture us worth a thousand words right? This one needs no explanation. Tepco is guilty as hell!!! For shame!!
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CrazyJoe
Don't judge a building by its appearance. Things are not always as they appear.
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The Munya Times
DisillusionedOct. 10, 2011 - 08:15AM JST
Maybe relatively to the other reactor buildings.
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electric2004
The pisa tower looks more stable than this.
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YongYang
The line in the structure that is clearly visible, the line between the destroyed and in tact section defines where the loading floor starts and under which the former core, at least partially out of its containment vessel, is sat as a corium mass on the floor. The destroyed upper section housed the crane for loading etc and the storage pool. The No 3 building compared to the No 4 building is relatively stable. It is the structure of No 4 and its storage pool that tepco should be releasing photos of to show that they have secured that potential Catastrophe Part IX.
Click on these to get a larger idea:
http://pinktentacle.com/2011/04/high-resolution-photos-of-fukushima-daiichi/
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Foxie
According to jimstonefreelance.com, Reactor 3 is completely missing, which means the press and anyone who has claimed anything about pressures, temperatures, containment, ect about reactor 3 after March 14 are lying and people need to pay attention to it, because failure of the public to realize the massive extent of the lies about what is going on there will leave the door open to a repeat event.
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smithinjapan
It's 'relatively stable' in that something completely destroyed can't really be more destroyed than it already is. Of course, that says nothing of the radiation, which I'm sure is still spewing out all over the place and/or leaking into the water.
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Spidapig24
Yes TEPCO we believe you, after all you have been so honest in the past 7 months.
Thank you so much for making us feel so relieved that you have the situation under control.
By the way have you managed to stop the leaking radiation yet? No... well l dont think the situation is relatively stable. l would say its relatively FD up
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tigerguy
You could show that picture to a monkey and it would tell you it's not stable. TEMPCO, you lying killers.
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pawatan
Foxie
You could just as easily say "according to a completely random person on the street" with as much credibility.
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WilliB
tigerguy:
You can not "breathe radiation". Lets use words that makes sense, please.
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gogogo
Sorry if I don't believe you tepco
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goinggoinggone
How stupid do they think we all are?
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WilliB
Foxie:
According to jimstonefreelance.com, nuclear weapons disguised as security cameras were detonated in reactors 1 to 4. According to Jimstonefreelance.com, there was no earthquake on March 11 either, rather it was a nuclear offshore explosion arranged by the CIA- There is plenty more. The site you take your information from is, shall we say.... entertaining. But really... are you presenting this as fact?
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tigerguy
WillB, yes you can breathe radiation, it all around us. Show us some words that make sense then. Enlighten us will you?
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shanabelle
That is a picture of pure stability!
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WilliB
tigerguy:
You can "breathe radiation" in the same way you can "breath" light or radar or radio waves, or WLAN reception. I would like to see you demonstrate that...
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JapanGal
Just a little tidying up and it will look like new again.
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YongYang
@Tiger guy you can breathe in irradiated particles, particles that are contaminated, but in regards to radiation, well. No.
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WilliB
I am still giggling at the "jimstonefreelance" site. Foxie, do tell us, do you take all that stuff there seriously?
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tigerguy
Thanks YongYang for the info. It's still bad stuff that people are breathing in. I read somewhere that people are breathing in hot particles.
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tigerguy
WilliB, Mr Know it all, I meant we breathe in substances that emit radiation, hot particles. Don't tell me to demonstrate anything to you, do it yourself!
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Will Smith
Yes, after the latest news about the Tokyo water supply being compromised with Okutama showing huge amounts of cesium it is nice to know that Unit 3 is stable. Actually we know there is probably some nuclear corium (Tepco's taboo word) left there burning inside and definitely some hot Cories down in the bowels of Units 1 and 2. Oh I forgot...Tepco likes to call them Blocks now.
Ok...when the fat ladies (Corie) sings we are going to see some hydrovolcanic activity that will make Fortune Island really rock. And when the spring snows in 2012 melts and the trees dump their load of nuclear isotopes on the water tables you better hope you have hit the lottery by then because you will need to drink and BATHE in Evian water...just like the motorcycle guy. Oh, and find some imported food from Chile to munch on because the rice and seafood is going to glow in the dark.
Seriously folks...if a nuclear plant in my state in the US blew like Fukushima I would have been long gone the same day. I don't need some nuclear industry bureaucrat telling me that I need to think happy thoughts! Take care and wear your respirators.
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zichi
They say a picture is worth a thousand lies!!!
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zichi
For a more clear photo along with other photo's and a whole selection of secret documents check out
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-100811/daiichi-100811.htm
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Foxie
WilliB, of course I am not taking that site seriously, it posted it purely because of its amazing theories and I wanted to share this with you guys on a cloudy day. It would make a good movie though. Conspiracy at its best.
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The Munya Times
It seems stable from a point of view it cannot explode more, or is irretrievably damaged. Good experts might be able to draw consequences and give us the clue what could explode, by viewing the photo.
As of Foxie's jimstonefreelance.com, the net is full of crazy sites and not all of them necessarily that crazy as they look like the firs moment. It is worth to listen even what our enemies say. I don't know them jimstonefreelance.com but I don't thinks it's any worse than TEPCO's official sites and statements. Please go and refresh at will and read TEPCO.
I don't know what exploded there and whether the Japanese have secret weapon program hidden in NPPs, that sounds strange to me, but even if not weapons I wouldn't exclude the possibility they are cooking something on their own. They might have even glitch in their computer systems.
Moderator
Readers, please stay on topic, which is not about jimstonefreelance.com or any secret weapons exploding.
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realmind
Correction; if you breathe infront of that builing you will be relatively stable. And people of Fukushima also going to be stable and fit to coffin.
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zichi
In the photo, notice the green colored fuel loading crane thrown to the rear like a toy. The very badly damaged spent fuel cooling pool. Spent fuel rods mixed in the debris and spread around the power plant. The building was destroyed by a steam explosion from inside the reactor, probably blowing the lid off the reactor, and a hydrogen explosion created from the meltdown and the spent fuel. This was probably the source of the plutonium recently discovered 80 kms outside the plant?
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zichi
In reactors 1-3, there are about 300 tons of corium from the meltdowns. There are about 160 tons in reactors 5&6. There are about 650 tons of spent fuel in the reactor cooling pools. 1,100 tons in the common cooling pool. 70 tons in dry casks down on the docks. About 2,100 tons in total. The spent fuel in No4 cooling pool is still "hot" because it was only transferred from the reactor to the pool at the end of last year. When all that nuclear waste and fuel is removed from the plant TEPCO could then claim it's stable.
It took TEPCO until about May 12, to admit there had been meltdowns and melt-throughs.
The cost of the damage at the plant is $235 billion which makes it the world's most expensive disaster.
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The Munya Times
@zichi
It seems to be the lid of the reactor dark colored in the middle of the photos. What do you think?
My guess is TEPCO toyed with the spent fuel roads and accumulated more than the whole unit was design to be able to accommodate.
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zichi
The Munya Times
The reactor lids are deep yellow in color, unless blackened by the explosion. The No3 reactor contained 30+ MOX fuel assemblies. Mixing uranium and MOX fuel? I don't know if that could be unsafe, don't really know?
But also from ariel shots over reactor 3 can't see the reactor lid?
It's also possible somewhere, probably the common pool, TEPCO was storing some American MOX fuel because the storage pools in the States are actually full.
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pawatan
What use is baseless guessing like this? The situation is crap enough without utterly baseless speculation.
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The Munya Times
@zichi
I don't know, very confusing for me, that's why I asked you. I saw other pictures taken at different time where massive steam was blowing out from the center of damaged reactor 3. Wasn't no3 with the long vertical smog bursting out high in the air when exploded? That would second the reactor suffered steam explosion.
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TakahiroDomingo
uncontrolled damage
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WilliB
zichi:
Do you consider documents posted on a website "secret"?
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zichi
WilliB
Not anymore but they were until released
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zichi
The Munya Times
In the photo you mentioned the steam from the central area is from the reactor and the steam to the side of it was from the cooling pool.
This photo is a close up of No3 roof, what's left of it. I think the green steam at the top is from the cooling pool.
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-100811/pict29.jpg
This photo is worth a download because it's very large so you can zoom in closer. I made by copy brighter with Photoshop so I could see more of the detail.
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi082411/110825_1.jpg
This photo shows steam and smoke pouring out of No3 reactor.
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp15/pict17a.jpg
This photo shows the roof of N04, you can see the reactor lid which was off the reactor at the time of 3/11.
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp9/pict31.jpg
The extend of the damage, the size of the explosions, with the steam explosion coming from the bowels of the pant building, it would be difficult to believe there wasn't extensive damage to the reactor. A professor from Kyoto (can't remember his name) says the reactor split wide open.
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The Munya Times
@zichi
Thanks a lot for your time collecting the links and pointing it out. I understand it better now. Thanks again.
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zichi
In my opinion, the situation at the plant will remain critical under the day arrives when all the nuclear fuel and waste is removed.
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WilliB
zichi:
Everybody has their opinion, but yours does not make sense.
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zichi
WilliB
and why not?
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WilliB
zichi,
because by that hamfisted definition, the whole earth is permanently "critical". There is always some nuclear material somewhere.
Which is of cours ridiculous. If the material is under control and stable, there is nothing "critical".
Can we do without this permanent hype, please?
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globalwatcher
The world knew this was coming (destroyed) by 3/16 except Tepco and Japanese media.
Actually 3 sets of parts from GE were still on the way from Florida to Japan on 3/18. It is very sad Japanese citizens are the last one to know the truth.as ALWAYS.
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pawatan
Do you have to make the exact same post in two threads? Especially when it's wrong in both. Everybody had a damn good idea what was going on once we had our hydrogen explosions - these were reported extensively in both domestic AND international media at the time.
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globalwatcher
pawatan, then why these parts were on the way to Japan on 3/18 from Florida? TEPCO was still trying to save them. The US State Dept issued evacuation alert on 3/21 as a matter of fact while Japan was still in denial. My flight on 3/21 to Japan was still a destination unknown. If you claim my statements are wrong, please come back with the facts.
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Stephen Jez
I loved how when this was all happening back in March that the JP news would not show pictures of the real reactors. Instead they kept showing stock photos and what not.
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pawatan
globalwatcher, you make no sense. You say:
To which I say:
And now you say:
So which is it? The US apparently didn't know on the 16th as there wasn't an evacuation alert until the 21st, according to you. But everybody knew? But Japan? And the US State Department? And GE, TEPCO? So it's just everyone else but those parties?
Hmm, except the first 20km zones were established on the 15th: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12740843
Hmm, seems like Japan knew at least on the 15th, ne?
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zichi
WilliB
you seem to be overlooking some very serious considerations. When the earthquake and tsunami struck the power plant on 3/11 it destroyed buildings and severely weakened others like the reactor buildings. All the emergency systems, like supplying coolant to the reactors are all temporary pipes operating from pumps on the ground.
What do you think could happen if the plant was struck by another powerful earthquake. The spent fuel pool in reactor building No4 had to be propped up, it nearly collapsed after 3/11. Reactor building No3 is badly damaged, with both a damaged reactor and spent fuel pool.
I am an ex electrical engineer with extensive industrial experience mostly in the heavy chemical industry, none in the nuclear one. The present condition of the power plant would be called critical because TEPCO does not even have the reactors under control nor does it actually know exactly were all the melted fuel is.
While there's a possibility of another quake, reactors not under control and 2,000 tons of nuclear fuel, I would in my experience call that critical, and should be considered to be, until that fuel is removed from the site, which TEPCO have stated will take 20+ years. That's a lot of time for another quake to happen.
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Disillusioned
It looks more like uncontrolled damage to me!
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whiskeysour
why are they lifting the ban ???? Why Why ??? I'm really sorry for the kids.
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zichi
Stephen Jez
What, you expected journalists and photographers to go and take photo's of the reactors when they were bleeding high levels of radiation. Even if they were allowed? I think next time we'll ask you to go and do the job?
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globalwatcher
pawatan, again then why the GE shipment to TEPCO left Florida on 3/18?
Why no official evaculation alert was issued by Japan? The airlines did not receive ANY special instructions from J. Govt, therefore all flights flying into Narita could not list Narita as a final destination. No official word from Japan, period.
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zichi
The cooling system that has brought down reactor temperatures is a jerry-rigged system nothing akin to the normal cooling systems found in reactors, and its long-term reliability is in serious question. This is especially so because the region continues to suffer earthquakes.
Radiation releases continue, although they are reported to be a small fraction of earlier releases. They’re now on the order of one million becquerels/hour (as opposed to a trillion/hour a few months ago and thousands of times more than that in March).
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globalwatcher
Agreed, zichi.
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pawatan
globalwatcher
Did you even bother to read what I quoted? Here it is again.
That sounds like... an evacuation!
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pawatan
I'm always amazed at the crowd that thinks everything should have been known instantly about everything and all sorts of people should have been permitted on site to document and observe. That place was so lethal after the explosions that the engineers trying to bring the site under control were considered as good as dead! It's only recently that the place is stable enough for a real evaluation of the site status, let alone for someone to document the site in pictures.
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globalwatcher
This is where everything goes blurry. There are Japanese version and US version. The US State Dept issued evacuation alert to all personnel within 200 km on 3/21.
Agaiin, what did TEPCO try to do on 3/18? They were trying to save the plants for reuse.
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globalwatcher
I forgot to add Japanese culture "mottainai" was well practiced in TEPCO management in time of serious crisis.They failed to weigh a risk vs "mottainai" The traditional "Mottainai" culture won!!
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steve@CPFC
Up to your ears in a mecca of broken dreams.Desperation kicks you to the kill!!! Tepco you hear the people? Don't take a chill pill!
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pawatan
There is NOTHING blurry. Japan requested evacuations on 3/15, the US on 3/21. You claim Japan did nothing but sit on its hands; this is demonstrably false.
On 3/18 there were a few hundred men and women on site working in lethal conditions with inadequate protective gear and little information due to no instrumentation or anything. They were trying to save you and me and all of us in Japan - they've probably doomed themselves to a much shorter life. THAT'S what they were doing on 3/18.
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globalwatcher
Hoping to get parts from GE to fix Fukushima for reuse. That's when former PM Kan stormed in TEPCO confronted Shimizu.
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Stephen Jez
@Zichi: Yes but at the same time they were telling the public that there WASN'T radiation leaking from the reactors. If there wasn't radiation then why not get pictures? It's called sheeple control, you fell for it. JP news is notorious for down playing serious issues in order to keep people from panicking.
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pawatan
Read my link from the 15th; the government was saying at that early date that there was not only radiation leakage but it was too high for humans and people needed to evacuate. That's right after the disaster. So when was this non-leak time?
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Stephen Jez
Were you even watching the news in Japan right after it happened? All news sources I were watching were saying that it was damaged but there was not a significant risk of radiation leakage. Of course, I didn't believe that one bit.
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pawatan
Well aren't you special then? It must be nice to have psychic powers to see into heavily damaged reactors from far away. It's amazing how many on here 'know' everything even when they are making a total guess, and very rarely does anybody admit their guess was wrong.
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