Abe blasts gov't over 'diplomatic defeats' in island disputes

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    saidani

    More electioneering. Noda and the DPJ claim the Japan/US alliance is the basis of Japanese foreign policy in the region. The LDP is no different in its dependence on the US. The sad truth is that Japan cannot deal effectively with China while under the shadow of America's own interest with China which is not necessarily beneficial for Japan.

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    mtwildman

    I'm no supporter of China in any way...as a nation it suppresses it citizen's invaded Tibet etc...but Japan grabbed these islands when China was defeated in 1895 by Japan as 'spoils of war' read the history of the Sino-Japanese War it's very interesting especially the reason it was initiated...they belong to China bottom line! China invaded and took over Tibet in the same manner in 1950 and should by right's allow Tibet it's freedom but won't do so...politics as usual!

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    saidani

    Do not worry Japan. US will defend you

    Good for Webb. That said, saying ain't doing. There is still the matter of billions of dollars in US corporate investments in China and the debt held by China that still has the Obama administration hoping it all just goes away. It is not insignificant that Obama refuses to call China a currency manipulator (Of course, the US is the biggest currency manipulator anyway.). As with all things, time will tell but Japan should not rest easy and should try to do more to settle the issue with China without getting the US involved.

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    alliswellinjapan

    Agree US will say whatever they can to confirm they are firmly backing Japan on this but that their willingness to act on their words remain questionable. China will continue to test this and their ways of doing so may eventually escalate going forward. The undeniable underlying truth may be that many at both ends prioritize future of US China relations over "small" sufferings in Japan. Hope the new Chinese leader is progressive and unconventional enough to understand where China needs to go and Obama continues to remain a well balanced and good natured figure he is so that everything eventually settles in the right place. Many especially in the foreign press seem to label Abe more right than he actually is but I'm not overly worried about how he will play in the world scene. More worried about who he will appoint in his team which may kill him as with the last time.

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    Farmboy

    Agree US will say whatever they can to confirm they are firmly backing Japan on this but that their willingness to act on their words remain questionable.

    I don't think it's a question. That's why the Chinese are not on the island, but are just pushing the envelope. If the Chinese attack or land on the islands, the US will have to get involved, whether they want to or not, to retain credibility in the region.

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    2020hindsights

    Agree US will say whatever they can to confirm they are firmly backing Japan on this but that their willingness to act on their words remain questionable.

    Nobody wants a war over some silly islands. The US saying that they will defend Japan if China moves in is all that is required to stop it happening.

    Japan needs to move on from this absolutely stupid diversion. It has no meaning at all. They need to move onto more pressing issues like fixing the economy. Join the TPP; agriculture reform; immigration reform to allow foreigners to enter Japan.

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    JeffLee

    The DPJ government took direct control of the islands a few months back. What did Abe do about the islands while he was in power? Nothing?

    It's easy to talk tough. Being tough is different, not that Abe would know. He quit midway through his term from being too stressed out.

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    sfjp330

    If China has a beef, why don't they take up the island issue with U.S.? Japan is only following the conditions set by U.S. of the agreement on administering the islands.

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    smithinjapan

    "The hawkish Abe, 58, blamed a flare-up in a longstanding spat with Beijing over an East China Sea island chain on Tokyo’s weak-kneed diplomacy,..."

    Seriously, what a moron. It's not 'weak-kneed' diplomacy that caused things to flare-up, it was right-wing redderick.

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    proxy

    Japan must be doing something right as the "map of China" in the new Chinese passports appropriated land from darn near all of its neighbors but did not include Senkaku.

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    alliswellinjapan

    Farmboy: Theoretically yes. And I agree that theory will hopefully keep China from pushing the final envelope. But all in all am hopeful that Abe will do a fairly good job in mending ties with China as he did during his last premiership after relations froze under Koizumi.

    2020hindsights: Believe Abe's primary intentions in emphasizing his firm position perhaps more than he should is to keep his conservative supporters happy and prevent them from turning to Ishin. As shown during his last premiership he is more reasonable when it comes to foreign diplomacy. He will likely seek to include India and Australia in the picture as he did the last time.

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    Ch1n4Sailor

    This is why learning REAL History about what YOUR country did is So Important...

    Haven't you learned your lesson about what starting a war will do to your country...?

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    GW

    Abe is one sick joke, I mean ALL of Japans many many problems come DIRECTLY from decades of ldp "leadership"................... Japan's inablilty to learn & deal with history has left it looking stupid, insincere & neutered

    As seen through history land is taken & sometimes re-taken over time, Senkaku clearly much closer & near the China's in the olden days they didnt care much, Japan took'em late 1800's China's still didnt care, resources found/suspected then a 180!

    Dokto sits more mid way both Japan & Korea hung round, both claimed, then Korea OCCUPIED them, done deal really now.

    The islands off Hokkiado clearly were part of Japan BUT Russia came in late & took them, seeing a little payback after losses to Japan in the early 1900s

    Of the 3 the best case Japan has is the last, but given how useless J-govt etc is they will in the end likely end up with the short stick on all three, shoganai ne.

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    Kazuaki Shimazaki

    @mtwildman I know the timing coincidence is unfortunate, but legally they are separate events. Further, Japan in the same year won anyway and got larger concessions, and they didn't plan on losing everything 50 years down the line so the fact they made it a separate event suggests they believe it was a separate event. And China didn't contest it until about 1970. 'Nuff said.

    @alliswellinjapan Maybe it is different in Japan, but most people in the world will call maintaining sovereignty over national territory part of "reasonable" foreign diplomacy. If anything, the weak stance of Japan over the years IS a reason these problems are never resolved. Well, sure the LDP was in power most of said years so they are hardly innocent in this, but to be fair to them it is only recently (in fact, only these last 1-2 years) that the average Japanese (as opposed to marginal right winger) gains any sense that he's supposed to defend his national territory. Abe and Ishihara are using it, while Noda tries to pretend this latest change in Japanese thinking doesn't exist.

    Thanks a lot, Captain of Min Jin Yue (you might remember that is the 2010 collision's fishing boat).

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    Thomas Anderson

    What would Abe have done instead? He talks tough to his national audience but he's stupid, he gives a different face to the international audience.

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    Thomas Anderson

    I mean to say he's not stupid.

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    Redcliff

    @ globalwatch

    " Do not worry Japan. US will defend you"

    I have read the content of the article you so directed. The article did not spell out in black and white that US will come to defend Japan with regards to sovereignty of the Islands in dispute. I think there is still a lot of trouble water under the bridge. It only stated that to defend the administration of the Islands but it also stated that US is not going to take side. A bit vague, sound like US is trying to ride on two horses.

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    ohayo206

    what is the sound of one hand clapping?

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    avigator

    I am glad some of you realize these islands belong to China. Yes, Tibet is a separate issue. Dog, thanks for the explanation about the rabbits. Interestingly, I was reading about Philippine history since I was wondering if they ever had any history before the Spaniards came to the islands. Aside from the fact that some believe the Philippines are the Ophir referred in the Bible in Solomon's day because of its gold, it was a satellite empire of China. The main island, Luzon, came from Chinese Lyu Sung, just like the Rykyu was in fact Lyu Kyu islands. The Chinese went a far as India in their travel. Now after the Mongolian Yang Dynasty was defeated and replaced with the Ming dynasty, China closed all of its commerce with the Outside World except with Lyu Sung or Philippines as it came to be later on. The Japanese were also excluded from trading with China and came down to Philippines to get goods through them. When the Spanish came and through trickery and deception was gaining power, one of the heirs of one of the established kingdoms asked one of the Japanese Lords to come to help expel the Spanish. The Spanish in turn provided some gifts to this Lord and the Japanese never came to the help they promised. So, to understand history, we have to read from more than one source because some countries like to manipulate facts to their advantage. This can be found at: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/IsPhilippinesancientnameis_ophir.

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    marcelito

    Yeah , as if the LDP achieved so many diplomatic victories regarding the disputed islands in the past. Gosh,, I really don,t want to see Japan vote the LDP dinosaurs back into power but it seems inevitable now...so frustrating.

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    globalwatcher

    RedcliffDec. 01, 2012 - 11:05AM JST

    @ globalwatch

    " Do not worry Japan. US will defend you"

    I have read the content of the article you so directed. The article did not spell out in black and white that US will come to defend Japan with regards to sovereignty of the Islands in dispute. I think there is still a lot of trouble water under the bridge. It only stated that to defend the administration of the Islands but it also stated that US is not going to take side. A bit vague, sound like US is trying to ride on two horses.

    You need to read between the lines. You know what to do.

    marcelitoDec. 01, 2012 - 01:17PM JST

    Yeah , as if the LDP achieved so many diplomatic victories regarding the disputed islands in the past. Gosh,, I really don,t want to see Japan vote the LDP dinosaurs back into power but it seems inevitable now...so frustrating.

    I give a great credit to Noda. He was not provoked by China's aggression and stayed calm while he was communicating with Washington unlike Abe, Hashimoto and Ishihara.

    avigatorDec. 01, 2012 - 12:41PM JST

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49111863/ns/business-stocksandeconomy/

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    globalwatcher

    I don't think it's a question. That's why the Chinese are not on the island

    After this announcement released, Chinese ships are getting away from Senkaku Islands and are heading back to China. .

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    Disillusioned

    “In diplomacy, it is important to strongly express our determination.”

    Is it just me or is there a contradiction in this statement?

    Diplomacy is negotiation and compromise you right-winged old twit!

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    saidani

    You need to read between the lines.

    LOL...seriously? Why not be more explicit? The only credible answer is that the US wants room to hedge. And while your admiration for Noda is commendable, you should at least give him credit for things he has actually done. The nationalization of the Senkaku's was a major gaffe at best. The fact that he allowed a prefecture governor to box him in shows a lack of strength and leadership. And there is little that Washington has told Noda (unless he is keeping secrets from the public) except that the US will back Japan...kinda, sorta, maybe, it depends.

    As for Abe, Hashimoto, and Ishihara talking to Washington, it would not be appropriate for local politicians to speak directly to a foreign government. That would be Noda's responsibility. Your comment comes across as propaganda especially coming from someone attached to the Obama campaign in America and with no connection to Japan.

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    HowardStern

    Shinzo Abe, the front runner to become Japans next prime minister

    The hawkish Abe...

    Abe said ... ahead of the Dec 16 general election that is widely expected to see Noda defeated

    .

    Love the objective view presented in this article.

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    edojin

    Abe keeps saying this is wrong, that is wrong, everything is wrong with the way Minshuto is handling everything. Yet Abe doesn't come up with any viable solutions of his own. He just keeps saying "put Jiminto back in power" and we will correct everything. He should explain clearly what he and Jiminto have in mind. Otherwise, if Jiminto does regain the reigns of government, everything could go back to the old way of Jiminto's politics: corruption, cover-ups, excuses, etc.

    As for handling the territorial issues with China, what exactly does Abe want Japan to do? Build up the military ... and then what? Tell China to bug off ... and then what? Can he fully explain his reasoning ... ??? Abe ... the man of demands ... but no solutions ...

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    Chamkun

    mtwildman

    Japan grabbed these islands when China was defeated in 1895 by Japan as 'spoils of war'

    Senkaku 5 islands were recognized as TERRA NULLIUS by the international law then. Therefore Japan could make it as Okinawa in 1895.The war has nothing to do with it. It has never lawfully been China except some ancient story China brought up. The world today is not organized based on the old story. Once this kind of claim could be accepted to prove its sovereignty, the world would be in chaos. That is how I know but I would not say I am 100% right. If you have any hard evidence to show that the islands were governed by China (Qing then)in 1895, tell me so. As long as that exist, I could see some sense what China claims today. As far as I could see legally, it is owned by Japan since 1895 then after WW2 till 1972 America ruled the island then returned to Japan. China knew that, there many documents China admitted Senkaku was Japan. But after the potential oil was found, China changed their world map in 70s. and started to claim China's sovereignty. So far I saw 5 official maps from China clearly indicated that Senkaku as Japan. And some Chinese official document and Chinese News Paper called Jinminnippo.

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    Chamkun

    Avigator,

    these islands belong to China.

    Based on what?

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    ThonTaddeo

    Thank you, Chamkun. These islands have never been administered by China, no Chinese person has ever lived or built a structure on them, and the use of "grabbed the islands" is a sneaky way to imply "...from China" when in fact the islands weren't claimed by anyone.

    If China succeeds in framing the debate using phrases like "should Japan give the islands back to China" -- and they do this all the time -- then they've already won, because these islands cannot go "back" to an entity that never owned them.

    Either the islands are Japanese, and the resource rights under them are also Japanese, or they belong to nobody and thus the resources' status is up for debate. But the islands are not in any way Chinese.

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    Ivan Coughanoffalot

    You put your left leg in...your left leg out...

  • -3

    Ivan Coughanoffalot

    Abe is thinking "oops, that one was a bit wet"

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    globalwatcher

    saidaniDec. 01, 2012 - 01:53PM JST

    You need to read between the lines.

    LOL...seriously? Why not be more explicit?

    All laws are written in macro perspectives. They are not written like a insurance policy.

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    globalwatcher

    saidaniDec. 01, 2012 - 01:53PM JST

    As for Abe, Hashimoto, and Ishihara talking to Washington, it would not be appropriate for local politicians to speak directly to a foreign government. That would be Noda's responsibility. Your comment comes across as propaganda especially coming from someone attached to the Obama campaign in America and with no connection to Japan.

    No conspiracy as you claim listed above. Abe, Hashimoto and Ishihara do not have to come to Washington. Their positions have been well known in American public.

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    saidani

    Abe, Hashimoto and Ishihara do not have to come to Washington. Their positions have been well known in American public.

    LOL. WOW. The American public doesn't know anything about these men. They barely know anything about their own government. Presidential elections haven't gotten more than a 60% turnout since 1964. Moreover, they could hardly care less about what happens in Japan. Just because you are trying to sell Obama's message to the Japanese doesn't give you the right to deceive them with such comments.

    All laws are written in macro perspectives.

    You have no idea what you are saying. First, American laws are rather specific. Ask anyone who has been audited by the IRS or has to deal with OSHA or who exceeds 0.85 on a breathalyzer. Secondly, the Senate passing an amendment does not make it a law.

    And while you may be cheered that the amendment was passed, the fact that it had to be put to a vote indicates that many in Washington are wavering on the security treaty with Japan. Otherwise, why bother having to make such a public spectacle of it?

    Lastly, despite the US Constitution giving the responsibility of making war to Congress, since WWII, presidents have taken this responsibility for their own. Do you honestly believe that Obama will not go to war against Syria or Iran or even China unless Congress gives its approval? Recent history shows that not to be the case.

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    globalwatcher

    saidaniDec. 02, 2012 - 04:50AM JST

    Abe, Hashimoto and Ishihara do not have to come to Washington. Their positions have been well known in American public.

    LOL. WOW. The American public doesn't know anything about these men

    Well, there have been enough writings about them.

    You have no idea what you are saying. First, American laws are rather specific

    No, the law is not written too specific for the purpose. That's why we have too many lawyers and judges interpreting the laws. The tax and real estate laws, OSHA, IRS are written more specifically to the point.

    Secondly, the Senate passing an amendment does not make it a law.

    You missed a big point on this topic what has been said. Obama will sign.

    Lastly, despite the US Constitution giving the responsibility of making war to Congress, since WWII, presidents have taken this responsibility for their own. Do you honestly believe that Obama will not go to war against Syria or Iran or even China unless Congress gives its approval? Recent history shows that not to be the case.

    It is off the topic and I do not want moderator to remove my post.

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    nigelboy

    Geographical correction. Kunashiri and the other 3 islands have never been part of Hokkaido, even Japan agrees with this. They were part of the Kurile islands, even for the Japanese, until Ichiro Hatoyama created this new geographical term called 'The Northern Territories' in 1956.

    Factual correction. Kunashiri and the other islands have been part of Hokkaido.

    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%83%E5%B3%B6%E5%9B%BD

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