China should reconsider who owns Okinawa: People's Daily

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  • 23

    ReformedBasher

    They've really lost it. Hope the common people don't fall for their government's bs. Apparently the government is detested by a lot of the population so let's hope they get opposed (or even better, deposed) by their own people.

  • -4

    BurakuminDes

    Give the Okinawans their independence - they've been pushed around, annexed, invaded and made at vassal state by the Chinese, japanese and Americans for centuries.

  • 12

    House Atreides

    China's top newspaper on Wednesday published a call for a review of Japan's sovereignty over the island of Okinawa-home to major U.S. bases-with the Asian powers already embroiled in a territorial row.

    Does anyone have any doubts now that the Chinese have designs on Okinawa? When the Chinese attacked Damansky Island, they were planning to seize the entire eastern half of Russia. The Senkaku islands are to Okinawa what Damansky Island is to Eastern Russia. This is what China has been planning all along. They weren't fooling anyone.

  • 70

    tokyobakayaro

    China should reconsider who owns Okinawa

    China should reconsider who owns Kyushu

    China should reconsider who owns Honshu

    China should reconsider who owns Hokkaido

    China should reconsider who owns Pacific Ocean Territories

    China should reconsider who owns Earth

    China should reconsider who owns The Solar System

    China should reconsider who owns The Milky Way

    China should reconsider who owns The Universe (including Dark Matter and Dark Energy)

  • 17

    skroknog

    Are they planning to invade Okinawa to free the oppressed peoples from the clutches of Empirical Japan? ;) A bit late don't you think?

  • -6

    Virtuoso

    I'm sure by tomorrow the Yukan Fuji will run something topping that in terms of off-the-wall content.

  • 35

    Upgrayedd

    It's like the Chinese are in some sort of conspiracy to get Japan to scrap article 9...

  • 56

    Cos

    Well, they should go back a little further in history... and hand over China to the Mongolians.

  • 7

    sakurala

    Oh dear. I really feel sorry for the citizens of Okinawa. They seem to always get the worst of every situation. I wish that they could have their independence one day...independence from Japan, China and the US military bases unless they decide they want military support after all.

    As for China, I wish they would start dealing with their own countries internal issues and stop trying to land grab. I think they are about due for a nice stinging slap on their over-reaching wrists.

  • 9

    JoshuYaki

    come to think about it.... The only thing Okinawa was missing was a corrupt warmonger government, life-threatening smog, and a roller-coaster real estate bubble... it will go excellent with the scuba and seafood

  • 11

    Shumatsu_Samurai

    Give the Okinawans their independence

    And who would guarantee Okinawans their independence? If China thought about trying to challenge Japan's control of Okinawa, it would be even more likely to try to annex it if large powers like Japan and a superpower (i.e. the USA) were no longer going to protect it.

  • 18

    sourpuss

    Dog,

    While I agree with many of the Chinese gripes about the Senkakus, this is utter madness.

    Perhaps you should reconsider your agreement with many of the Chinese gripes about the Senkakus. If they are capable of this "madness," are you really able to say where or when China is being reasonable?

  • 12

    House Atreides

    Give the Okinawans their independence

    Look what happened to East Turkestan and Tibet. The only thing keeping China in line is force. If you lack the military force to defend your territory China will seize it in a heartbeat.

  • 18

    JanesBlonde

    Next the Chinese Communist Party will be saying that some single government official from Okinawa "signed over" the country to China so that the Chinese Government can "look after" it for them.

    I mean, hey it worked for them with TIBET and look how well they have looked after the people of TIBET when they suddenly discovered Chinese troops all over their country.

    Abduction, murders, imprisonment, torture, restrictions on religion, no democracy, flooding the country with Han Chinese.

    Yes I am sure that Okinawan's are really looking forward to being parting part of China.

  • -8

    bgaudry

    You are all missing the woods for the trees. China wants to keep US forces and money tied up in Okinawa for its own benefit AND to keep Lil Kin check. China is gaining from the US being tied up ion Okinawa.

  • 5

    KariHaruka

    Next up they will try and claim Kyushu.

  • 13

    Yubaru

    This is ludicrous at best, yet just a matter of time before some nut in China fell from the tree and openly said what many people have been saying for years.

    Oh and to the naysayers here on JT who said "China NEVER has any desires towards Okinawa" (paraphrasing there) Feel free to eat crow!

  • 7

    oedo1

    Mao's secret goal was to dominate the world and, in all, well over 70 million Chinese perished under Mao's rule -- in peacetime! It looks like communist China is still bent on dominating the world. If this continues 70 million may seem insignificant when compared to the final total!

  • 8

    Yubaru

    The authors of the article, two scholars at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, considered China’s top state-run think-tank, said the Ryukyus were a “vassal state” of China before Japan annexed the islands in the late 1800s.

    The Ryukyu's paid tribute to the court in Beijing and there were strong diplomatic ties between China and the Ryukyu's, with both having diplomatic missions in each other's countries.

    BUT the Ryukyu's were playing both sides of the coin with Satsuma as well, and they annexed Okinawa in the late 1860's. So for nearly 150 years the Ryukyu Islands, were and have been under Japanese control and are so today.

    Excuse my language but the authors of this article are just stirring up crap for craps purposes.

  • 7

    Alejandro Dela Cruz

    HOLY CRAP! LOL.

    Now China is claiming okinawa?

    Soon they'll prolly claim the entire Japan ....Geeezzz

    CHinese are mad!

  • -2

    sveinnyves

    wahahaha somebody already predicted they will say this in this forum, wanting to claim okinawa. Imagine asking any okinawan to choose to join china or japan, I can imagine nobody would ever dream of joining china lol, it would be a nightmare to them. But okinawa dont seems to be able to be on its own even up till now and have been receiving financial aid from japan central gov for its development. I do wanna c an actual interview with okinawan to see their response about being part of china probably be a very interesting variety show!

  • 13

    WilliB

    Told ya so! The ambitions of the Mandarins of the growing Peking empire know no boundaries.

  • 24

    Steven C. Schulz

    Next: PRC 'finds' 15th century map of California coastline, claims all the Americas.

  • -8

    Gaijin Desi

    Better kicked out Chinese from Yokohama and Kobe's China Town as soon as possible else... ha ha ha...

  • 6

    ebisen

    Japan should reconsider who owns china.

  • 9

    CanadianJapan

    Pretty simple, do what was done in the Falklands a few weeks ago, a referendum.

    Question : To which nation Okinawa belongs to?

    Possible answers : 1. An independent Okinawa, 2. Japan, 3. China

    That would surely settle things. Land only belongs the nation to which the people want it to belong to. Next : France, England and Spain start to claim parts of the Americas as their own because it once belong to them.

  • 8

    ReformedBasher

    Sorry Yubaru

    Okinawa was taken over by the Satsuma domain in 1609. As far as I know, it was pretty well business as normal as far as trade with China went.

    Over 500 years ago. China didn't care until Japan stood up to them.

  • 7

    ReformedBasher

    Better kicked out Chinese from Yokohama and Kobe's China Town as soon as possible else... ha ha ha...

    That's would serve no purpose and only raise tensions, not to mention give China an excuse to act even worse than it is already.

  • 2

    Yubaru

    Pretty simple, do what was done in the Falklands a few weeks ago, a referendum.

    Apples and oranges, totally different situations and history as well, not to mention that Japan is a few kilometers away and not literally thousands.

    Question : To which nation Okinawa belongs to?Possible answers : 1. An independent Okinawa, 2. Japan, 3. China

    No, nope, never. Okinawa is a part of Japan, end of discussion. No need for any referendums, nothing.

    And anyone who thinks otherwise really is ignorant of the situation here.

    That would surely settle things. Land only belongs the nation to which the people want it to belong to.

    Thank you the land belongs to Japan, answered your own questions. Not to mention, and for discussions sake ONLY, how are going to distinguish who is ethnic Okinawan or not?

    Next : France, England and Spain start to claim parts of the Americas as their own because it once belong to them

    Never happen as you know, they don't have lunatics writing policy for them.

  • 3

    CanadianJapan

    Yubaru :

    Sorry if it wasn't clear but my comment was meant to be ironic. The referendum in the Falklands was won by something like 99.9%. Mentioning France,England and Spain claiming the Americas was a way to emphasize how China's claim makes no sense.

  • -1

    Wonbatto

    Pretty simple, do what was done in the Falklands a few weeks ago, a referendum... That would surely settle things.

    Referenda on what the people want don't usually sway larger powers who are pursuing historical territorial claims. The thinking goes, if some land belongs to them, it really doesn't matter what the people living there think. The referendum you mentioned certainly hasn't dampened Argentina's claims to the Falklands. (I happen to think that ignoring residents' desires on questions of sovereignty is a bad idea, especially those that date back decades or more).

    This whole idea that because the world map looked a certain way in 1870 (or pick any date centred on your own favoured golden age) that it must always look that way is just ludicrous. National borders change and people move. Sometimes the reasons are noble (e.g. independence movements) and sometimes they aren't (wars, forcible taking of lands). But it helps no one to stay so focused on the past that you can't move forward.

  • -1

    Fugacis

    Right, this is where it starts to take the biscuit. I remain agnostic about who the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands should belong to, and the proper resolution of Japan's imperial land grab in the last two centuries does need to be brought to account.

    But the only people who "own" Okinawa are the Okinawans themselves. Not Japan, not China, not the US. There are people living there who have the right to determine their own destiny and manage their own affairs - whether that means staying as part of Japan, going independent, joining China, or any option in between.

    Bear in mind that Korea was once a vassal state to China as well. If they make the suggestion that they have "ownership" of Korea based on the past imperial hegemony, I'm sure that Koreans on both sides of peninsula would be happy to tell them where to shove it.

    God almighty, the Chinese Revolution really has gone about full circle if China's leaders feel the need to act like an empire again.

  • 10

    House Atreides

    Bear in mind that Korea was once a vassal state to China as well. If they make the suggestion that they have "ownership" of Korea based on the past imperial hegemony, I'm sure that Koreans on both sides of peninsula would be happy to tell them where to shove it.

    The Chinese are already laying the groundwork to seize the northern half of Korea.

    The latest dispute over Koguryo began flaring a month ago when South Koreans discovered a set of papers posted on the Web site of the Center of China's Borderland History and Geography Research. There, government- paid Chinese scholars described Koguryo as a "provincial" vassal kingdom under the suzerainty of China - not the fiercely independent Korean state that fought and often repelled the Chinese, as generations of Koreans have been taught in school.

    See: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/12/world/asia/12iht-history.3134615.html

    Any country that once had the misfortune of being a "vassal state" to China is going to be in China's crosshairs and China uses the term "vassal state" very loosley.

  • 4

    viking68

    I have mixed feelings about Okinawa since meeting an Okinawan activist trying to maintain Okinawan heritage.

    Some Okinawans consider themselves independent of Japan. When the U.S. "returned" the islands to Japan, Japan forbade them from using their native language and changed a lot. The earlier Japanese military presence only subjugated the population. It was a terrible history, and I am surprised that many Okinawans don't speak more about it. It seemed like the "returning" of the islands to Japan was the first time Japan really had political and not military control of the islands.

    Still, the prospect of China claiming Okinawa is an absolute farce. Furthermore, the likelihood of Okinawa becoming independent of Japan is as likely as Hawaii leaving the U.S.

    My only hope with this stupid statement from China is that it will cause those who are supporting China to think twice and cause those who are the subject of China's aggression to rise up and stop this stupidity.

  • 7

    zichi

    More Chinese sabre rattling but why stop there, what about Hawaii?

  • -15

    Ron Barnes

    Sorry folk,s It takes 2 sides in a story should listen to both then use an open mind .For your reply,s looks like Japan does have a problem so they Should start negotiating Fast. Been a long time since the absorbition in 1879 to have sorted this out . I can now see how a claim, has now led to a counter claim, back for more than Japan can afford. " PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO CAUSE ANOTHER WAR WHERE THEIR ARE NO WINNERS " < AS ALL SIDES LOOSE PRECIOUS LIVES.>

  • 9

    frank07

    “I think this is psychological warfare,” he said, adding: “The major point is to put pressure on Japan so that the Japanese administration will be forced to make concessions over the Senkaku islands.”

    or it could backfire on china by forcing Japan not to concede an inch of territory lest they risk losing more

  • 5

    SuperLib

    Chinese diplomacy.

  • 14

    House Atreides

    or it could backfire on china by forcing Japan not to concede an inch of territory lest they risk losing more

    China will see any concessions made by Japan as a sign of weakness. The more you give in to China the more they'll take.

    There are some who, for varying reasons, would appease Red China. They are blind to history's clear lesson, for history teaches with unmistakable emphasis that appeasement but begets new and bloodier war. It points to no single instance where this end has justified that means, where appeasement has led to more than a sham peace. Like blackmail, it lays the basis for new and successively greater demands until, as in blackmail, violence becomes the only other alternative. - General Douglas MacArthur

  • 2

    Sentiments

    The author is right. This is a 25% authentic claim from the Chinese and 75% diversion over the Senkakus. If the Chinese strategy succeeds Japan will feel the pressure and it will be much more forthcoming about letting the Senkakus go, after all what is a few rocks compared to Okinawa. Of course Japan can unfold such attempts and I guess the likely respons will be to claim Shanghai ;-). Makes you wonder if the think tank is populated with academics with too much time on their hands.

  • 9

    waltery

    China owns the air that we breath too, but they can have it back.

  • 4

    C Harald Hansen

    China should reconsider their surging imperialist aspirations, period. God, they get on my nerves.

  • 4

    Rafael Eichler

    Hopefully Chinese people are smart enough not to fall in to this.

  • 9

    Bhateswar Bhutbhute

    ha ha ha!!!! give them an inch, and they will ask for a mile!!! hats off to the logic the "scholars" use...that way, half the world is still British territory, or most of Asia belongs to Mongolia, or most of Europe is under Roman rule, depending upon how far you want to go back in history!!!

  • 5

  • 6

    kurumazaka

    Claiming Okinawa is going to get Tokyo to concede on the Senkakus? Hope nobody in China actually believes that. All they accomplish with such talk is the end of Article 9 and much more robust US support for Japan. Was just a few years ago that China was running circles around the US in Asia diplomatically. Wow, what happened? Thought their long history would have taught them better. Both disturbing and disappointing. With their big talk, they have talked themselves into a corner with the domestic audience. Very worrying development.

  • 1

    Nenad Jovanović

    @Ron Barnes

    " PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO CAUSE ANOTHER WAR WHERE THEIR ARE NO WINNERS " < AS ALL SIDES LOOSE PRECIOUS LIVES.> China dont care for lifes of their people , nor the lifes of their soldiers , they have allready too many people , for them , war is win / win situation .

  • 3

    AGriggs

    LOL Why am I not surprise?

  • 0

    Nenad Jovanović

    Ah , I did mistake , dont read previous post from me .

  • -11

    Bluescript

    "I think this is psychological warfare," he said, adding: "The major point is to put pressure on Japan so that the Japanese administration will be forced to make concessions over the Senkaku islands."

    Instead of putting more pressure on Japan, China is simply showing itself as being unreasonable.

  • 0

    minello7

    It seems the real losers in all this political and academic rhetoric between China and Japan are the Okinawans. Who it seems from historical facts were in fact a sovereign nation in their own right as the Ryukyu Kingdom, and with their own language. Belonging to neither China or Japan.

  • 1

    Serrano

    "The island is home to major U.S. air force and marine bases"

    Not if the whiners get their way.

  • 4

    kurumazaka

    Minello7, the sad fact is that whether Okinawa should or should not be independent is irrelevant. Okinawa won't be. It is screwed by its geography. It's strategic location ensures that a great naval power will seek to dominate it. An independent Okinawa has no means to repel such powers. Okinawa is much better off choosing the lesser evil. The anti base crowd needs to decide who the lesser evil is.

  • 3

    Yubaru

    When the U.S. "returned" the islands to Japan, Japan forbade them from using their native language and changed a lot.

    Hold up here, you are misinformed here. This occurred in the years leading up to WWII. The Japanese Imperial Army KILLED Okinawan's who spoke their native language because they were seen as spys!

    School's forbade the use of hogen, following WWII (during the Occupation) and after the return in 72 as well. There were no "laws" outlawing the use of hougen.

  • 0

    Jay Que

    The US is not fulfilling its role of "leader of the free world" as it is humbled by idiotic decisionmakers. Either the PRC democratizes or there will be no more free world.

  • -23

    highball7

    Good for China. They are developing some backbones. Although its not true but good for them anyways. Finally, they are retaliating against Japan for what Japan did to them in the still recent past.

    Wait, they're just talking? You mean no actual invasion or even get on a podium on the UN to blast Japan every chance they get? Shouldn't the Chinese land on Japan and rape all its women and behead all its men or at least use them as human test subjects to develop biological/chemical weapons?

    No? So what are the Chinese doing exactly besides talks that are so oooohhhhhh threatening?

    That's lame. Moving on.

  • 3

    paramyog

    Another Chinese rhetoric which speaks of the bad taste they have developed for soverignity of its neighbouring nations. It is a stark reminder of the Expansionist policy gone over the head of the Comrades and their Politburo, not realising that how much anger it can cause in the people of the Nation whose land, the 'People's' Republic of China keeps claiming every other morning.

    It is also a matter of grief that while the Chinese grabbed the land off Vietnam and Phillipines, the United States kept watching as a mere bystander and did not take appropriate military action against the PLA. It only shows that the American Muscle flexing can only happen on Iraq and Afghanistan, which were impoverished nations. The US would never engage China on its illegitimate actions despite having a horrific human rights record. Not to mention, the self immolation in Tibet are a grave reminder of the degree of in human treatment, people undergo under Chinese occupation that they are forced to burn themselves alive, than live under the CPC rule.

    Which leaves the Ancient CIvilisations of Nippon and India, who in their regard have a leadership that is not doing what its people would like to do. While India and Japan are both bearing the brunt of Chinese hegemony, the proxy states of Pakistan and North Korea have been not only creating problems for both, but are also cooperating in design and manufacture of WMDs, which again the United States has been able to do nothing about.

    This present state of affairs only suggests that India and Japan need to rise above cultural bonds of centuries and economic cooperation of decades into a Military Relationship that speaks of their Traditional values of Integrity and respect for one's values. This something which the US with its capitalistic outlook and the Chinese with their 'Encroachment mindset' will never know. Time to repeat History.

  • -2

    Itaru

    Didn't you know yet? Chinese invasions to Okinawa, Kyushu and Honshu are real. And already had finished. Today, those people from China are called Japanese.

  • 1

    TettoeAung

    Well China now with its newfound wealth and power seems acting like a better whose stomach is full and now have time to think about sex, having a hardon Since its newfound wealth is not obtained either by innovation nor their naturally being smart it will fade away once the people in the West realised that having the opportunity of buying things cheap and Chinese made has it costs then China will find its true wealth and power.

  • 3

    Gaijin Desi

    It will be interesting to see how Japan will react to this Chinese bluff.

  • 4

    mumume

    U.S. naval shift to Asia on track despite budget cuts: admiral

    Well this is certain to not only keep that on track but help to speed it up considerably!

  • 4

    kurumazaka

    Paramyog, I think you are mistaken in this case. While I'm all for better military cooperation between Japan and India, do you really think the US would sit idly while China tried to take Okinawa, which unlike Vietnam or the present day Philippines, is probably the most important US platform in Asia? An attempt to take Okinawa by China would lead to full blown war with the US. I sincerely hope the Chinese realize that, and suspect they do.

  • 3

    Tamarama

    Such is their ever inflated sense of National worth, that I have no doubt they actually believe this is in Okinawa's best interest.

    But if nothing else, it shows how imperialist they are. Have they bothered to ask the Okinawans I wonder?

  • 6

    House Atreides

    Shouldn't the Chinese land on Japan and rape all its women and behead all its men

    The Chinese already did that on Tsushima, Iki and at Hakata Bay in 1274 and 1281. If the Chinese want to try that again there'll be a lot more than a freak storm awaiting them this time.

  • 8

    Yubaru

    Finally, they are retaliating against Japan for what Japan did to them in the still recent past.

    Recent past? And just how old are you? I find it hard to believe that anyone here would call over 80 years ago recent!

  • 4

    Yubaru

    It will be interesting to see how Japan will react to this Chinese bluff.

    Didn't even make the evening news, national or local. Which means it's a non-issue. And Japan is right to not even acknowledge it either!

  • -11

    highball7

    Oh its the Chinese commies again. Wait what did those commies said again? Okinawa should belong to who? Okinawans? Is there such a thing?

    Those damn Commies, they are murderers, they kill millions of Chinese, they invaded Tibet and forced those Tibetan to kill themselves. They are so evil. They are the devils. We love the Tibetans. We care so much about them? Raise your hand if you ever had Tibetan cuisines? Raise your hand if you have met a Tibetan before? Raise your hand if you've been to Tibet and knows its entire history upside down like you know your own mother?

    No? So how come everytime China does something, its the TIBETAN? Those Chinese are evil!!!!

    Did we just find a ultimate scapegoat to hit China on everything from OH NO THOSE TIBETAN to they eat my dog too?

    However staying in issue for ONCE in your life. Does Japan has legitimate claim to Okinawa? If yes, and there are reliable and accuracy sources that someone would bother to post them here to substantiate that fact, then what else is there to talk about?

    A Chinese gov't owned media pissing on Japan? Is that news? They hate your guts. Chinese don't like you. And a recent scientific poll says that 80% of the South Koreans don't like you either. Your neighbors whom your predecessors raped and killed (while most of you don't care for these days) DON'T LIKE YOU.

    In fact, they hate your guts. Now why would they say something that has adverse effects on you?

    Japanese and the Japanophiles love Japan. Nothing wrong with that. Chinese and Koreans hate Japan, nothing wrong with that either. Just learn to live with each other and don't cause any trouble that involves another 3rd party and we call it a day.

    Ok?

  • 9

    Yubaru

    Does Japan has legitimate claim to Okinawa?

    There are roughly 196 countries throughout the world, the ONLY one that seems to not think that Okinawa is Japanese territory is China. In effect this is a moot question and I can not believe that anyone would even bring it up in any intelligent discussion.

    Okinawa should belong to who? Okinawans? Is there such a thing?

    This statement is rude beyond belief. Okinawan's are a proud people with a rich cultural history.

    They are not a "thing" as you so ignorantly pointed out!

  • 5

    MarkG

    Nice strategic Pacific region real estate. China is becoming arrogant globally especially regionally. As a consumer we can avoid purchasing Chinese made products. Alternatives do exist in most cases.

  • -16

    highball7

    House Atreides,

    Really, Chinese landed in Japan before? I didn't those commies can swim. Wait what year did you say they landed again? 12 something? So THAT'S why Japan invaded China in 1931-1945 and raped and killed tens of millions of those commies. They were commies then right? No? OK fine, those damn Chinese then.

    YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT. B/c those commies, wait strike that, Chinese landed in Japan in the 12 something. Wait the minute, were those Chinese or Mongols? AH, who else, they are all look alike.

    Freak storms? wait no freak storms this time? How do you stop a nuke without freak storms? What they won't nuke you because they don't hate you enough? Ok, then you must have the 4th most powerful military in the world because they currently rank 3rd. I mean, they don't have any airforce or navy or army. While Japanese are the best fighters in the world. Right? No? because they have you waiting for them. Well Gosh Darnit. Why didn't you say so House?

  • 0

    paramyog

    Kurumazaka

    I fail to understand why does the United States does not take proactive action when it knows the the Senkakus are a Japanese owned property and now with the Japanese Government. Okinawa by far has become an American Colony with the Marines and the Navy bases there. Any hostile activity by the Chinese on Okinawa would be understood as an attack on the American Interests, for which, come what may, the US will retailiate. Even Philippines had a US Naval base, but where was the United States when the Chinese encroached upon the Filipino Territory.

    They were as good as sitting ducks just like in Iraq or Afghanistan.

  • 4

    Jenny Song

    This is totally hilarious! I was laughing all the way.

  • -16

    highball7

    Yabaru,

    Ok not recent, its only 80 years old, who cares about what had happened during your grand mothers and great grand mother's time. Its not like they raped your grand mothers, your grant aunts, your great grandmothers and your great grand aunts and either murdered them or forced them to suffer so much pain and sufferings.

    Who cares, its so LONG ago. Its not like any of them are alive these days. Plus, its the Chinese. They are ugly dog eating bugs eating people. And they are commies and they kill their own and don't ever forget those Tibetans. Its so long ago, its only 60 years ago they kill millions of their own and invaded Tibet and killed all those Tibetans. Can't you belief it, 60 years ago? That's such a long time, like oh my gosh, I can't even count.

    Wait, those monks immolated themselves RECENTLY? NOooooo. Are you related to those monks? Can you read Tibetan? Been to Tibet yourself? Is your bf/gf a Tibetan? Know any Tibetan? No? However Africans? Oh those poor starving African kids who gets abused for rebels and warlords... wait.. you care for them and have as much passion for them as to your hatred towards the Chinese and the commies right? No? Well you should since you don't know both of those people, why aren't you caring for those poor kids?

    Long Live the Emperor!!! Long Live Japan!!! Chinese are murders, they kill Tibetans. Where's my dog?

    I just wish all the anti-Chinese anti-China, anti-commie guys have something new or better to say. They Chinese are creative, now they are moving on to Okinawa, or some like to call Ryukyu. Its your turn my Nippon bansai friends.

  • 0

    philsandoz

    Wind up! Wind up! The next thing you know, the UK will be claiming it has rights over Las Malvinas, Gibraltar and Hong Kong.

  • -15

    highball7

    And also, why is Japan always dependent on others to protect you? We increase our budget in the west pacific region. And you all jump for joy. I'm not jumping for joy, it just mean more of our servicemen and women are put in harms way.

    Oh I get it, its not YOUR people that will be defending Japan. Its ours. Since we are doing so much for you, what had you done for us, and what will you do for us?

    However, getting that damn 9th article past the congress and build up your own freaking military and fight the Chinese or maybe the Koreans and Russians on your freaking own. You know, like what responsible adults do instead of hiding behind our back while like a dog?

  • -10

    highball7

    Not however, damn autocorrect. How about,

  • 10

    Yubaru

    Its not like they raped your grand mothers, your grant aunts, your great grandmothers and your great grand aunts and either murdered them or forced them to suffer so much pain and sufferings.

    Here is a suggestion for you. Take it up with the people that actually are guilty for these crimes.

    Or are you in the habit of punishing the child for the wrongdoings of their father?

  • 2

    kurumazaka

    Paramyog, how about because the US does not want a war with China. By the way, the US has now repeatedly stated that the Senkakus fall under the US/Japan treaty. What would you consider proactive, might I ask?

  • -9

    gaijintraveller

    Oh dear, it does seem that Ishihara and Abe have opened up a real can of worms. They have made claims to disputed territory and their claims are getting more and more aggressive. If only they had kept their right-wing mouths shut, there would be no problem and no argument. Japan would have be administering the islands and China would be acting as if there was no problem. But every time Japan raises the stakes, China follows.

    Now, I wonder what the original Chinese text said. Perhaps a Chinese reader could let us know. There is a big difference between Okinawa Island and the Okinawa (Ryukyu) Islands. “Unresolved problems relating to the Ryukyu Islands have reached the time for reconsideration.” There is no distinction between singular and plural in Japanese. Could a mistranslation have been convenient for the right-wing?

  • 6

    90292

    The only undisputed ownership by China in Asia are over environmental pollution and bird flu. They can keep the latter and clean up the former.

  • -15

    highball7

    Yubaru,

    That's the same attitude as the commies, I bet you they will say take it up with Mao or the immolated monk for killing himself. What a wonderful hypocritical attitude.

    When had Japan not depend on us? Everytime some commie said this and do that, you people say we got US behind us, US gave us administrative control, that's just like ownership. We own this!!! Where are the Americans?

    Name one time you don't call for our help when the Chinese or Russians come knocking.

    Just because we agreed to protect you on the contingency that you don't start troubles with others doesn't mean you get a blank check.

    The myopic view is only knowing what you want to hear and see instead of knowing the reason and chain of events that lead to that part of history.

    It takes two to dance and right now, its a solo flamingo you're doing. No one is on your side. When push comes to shove, how confident are you that we will be there for you when bullets start flying towards you? When bullets flew at us, YOU WERE NOT THERE FOR US. WHY SHOULD WE BLEED FOR YOU?

  • 4

    toannds

    What is in dispute is mine. What is yours I'm going to make it become in-dispute. That's what I call "the peaceful rise of China"

  • 1

    Verisimilitude

    Human beings, must be the stupidest life form to walk this earth.. And yes, the Sino-Indo war, was entirely based on the presumption of, vassal states, during the 13th century.. it is a forgotten war, the world was hoodwinked, while the Cuban missile Crisis raged.. and people did die..

    the morning that Okinawa becomes part of China, by twilight, nothing but rubble will be left on this, beautiful world.

  • 1

    Ah_so

    Land only belongs the nation to which the people want it to belong to

    Canadajim: the referendum is not always perfect - Tibet is now majority Chinese, shipped in by the Chinese authorities.

  • -8

    highball7

    90292? You live in MDR? That's where I used to live.

    I think they have a few more undisputed ownership but I agree, they should clean up the pollution but I wouldn't wish people suffer under the bird flu, that's inhumane and insensitive. I would wish they find a good treatment for it and ways to prevent it from happening.

    Wouldn't you agree?

  • 9

    Morry

    China also claims parts of Kyrgystan, Korea and India.

    The Chinese province of "Inner Mongolia" was annexed from Mongolia.

    The Chinese feel entitled to any land that can be plausibly claimed, based on any flimsy historical pretext.

  • -11

    justicetz

    China never asks Japanese people to apologize for Japan’s historic war crimes. And Japan government never officially apologizes to the invaded countries, especially Korea and China Instead, those government officers and lawmakers keep going to Yasukuni to express worship to those war criminals.

    ODA helps China somehow indeed, but Japan also got benefit from the relationship and china’s market. Don’t forget that is loan. Do you feel shameful talking about money? How much should Japan pay for the war damages and killed and suffered innocent people?

    Who broke the relationship over and over? – Japan. Check information and see who should have Diaoyu Island? – China. That is Japan government started conflict by nationalizing the island, and trying to containing China in sea waters. You’re just adding more salt on the wound. Shame on you, Japan!

    It’s nothing about communism. It’s about justice! Time to correct your way and altitude, Japan!!

  • 6

    Yubaru

    That's the same attitude as the commies, I bet you they will say take it up with Mao or the immolated monk for killing himself. What a wonderful hypocritical attitude.

    Side steppiing the question I see. So the assumption can safely be made that YES you do blame and want to punish the child.

    Sadly because there are people who think like you do here that there will never be peace between China and Japan. Yes Japan has historical problems with China and needs to acknowledge their own history too. But that is unrelated to the discussion at hand.

    China has ZERO claims on the Ryukyu Islands, now known as Okinawa Prefecture. Time to come into the 21st century.

  • -11

    highball7

    Didn't the Chinese settled peacefully with the Russians Krygystanis, Koreans, Pakis, Nepalese, Indonesians, Malaysians, Burmese, and Laos?

    I thought all that were settled peacefully while either splitting on territories or the non-Chinese side giving it back to China? Do you know how difficult it can be to negotiate with Russians? I've done that in the past, they are not for the faint hearted.

    So if China didn't have a legitimate claim with all of what they say, then why would Russia, a more powerful country than China settle peacefully? Actually Mongolia was taken from the Chinese by the Russians. That's why you see Russians ALL OVER MONGOLIA, inner or outer. The Chinese only really gotten a piece of it. Mongolia is the North Korea for Russia, a nice buffer zone.

    If those Chinese feel entitled to any land, they would've ask for a whole lot more. I actually think they held back too much. Not saying they will get what they want but all these disputes, they had some claim towards them. Legit or not, they do have a say whether you agree or disagree.

    And I applaud for standing up for what they believe in. If it were Japan, Japan would've done the same just like every other country would do. Double standard is for haters.

  • 5

    Yubaru

    Name one time you don't call for our help when the Chinese or Russians come knocking.

    You are the one who brought up "ancient" history, so to answer your "ancient" history question.....NEVER. Japan has NEVER asked for the US's help with it's defense. And just when have China and Russia "came knocking"?

    Just because we agreed to protect you on the contingency that you don't start troubles with others doesn't mean you get a blank check.

    "We"? LOL!

    The myopic view is only knowing what you want to hear and see instead of knowing the reason and chain of events that lead to that part of history.

    Without a doubt in my mind I have forgotten more about the history of the people here than you obviously have ever learned. But c'est la vie, life goes on and hopefully you'll learn something.

  • -8

    highball7

    Yubaru,

    How is that sidestepping the question? Did you read the entire post? Or the ones before it?

    I wrote that well, most of it sarcastically that China has no claim on Okinawa. What part of that didn't you understand?

    These dispute has nothing to do with coming into the 21st century IF they are lingering disputes continued from the past.

    When has China stopped claiming these disputes (other than Okinawa) since the 60s? It was continuous. Same with Taiwan. They never stopped claiming. So its a legitimate dispute.

    A non-dispute would be BOTH side take it as per se or as it. Since ONE party and in this case TWO parties dispute them, its a legitimate dispute.

    Okinawa thing is a joke. Those commies are just yanking your chains. Our military base is in Okinawa, there is no chance they can claim anything about it. In this case, we got this.

  • 3

    Kazuaki Shimazaki

    My words to this is: Oh God, the waters have crept to the People's Daily now.

    This China claims the Okinawans thing (this time, through the even flimsier base that it is a "vassal state") had started reaching international audbility (at least as far as I am aware) about 2 or maybe 3 years ago. First it was two nutjobs that were clear "right-wingers". About a year ago, it was the Global Times, which even the Chinese would probably agree is on the extreme right side but nevertheless a big step up from the nutjobs. Now, it is up to the People's Daily.

    I knew they were playing this game but thought they'll let the waters really soak in before moving to the next phase so no one can really remember back to when they were not making such claims. But they are moving fast and when the "sponge" is permeated they would have to take hard action to back their rhetoric just like they are doing to the Senkakus now.

    Ouch.

  • -7

    highball7

    And Yubaru,

    Let's say your granddaday owed me money, he died, so your daddy would owe, but he died too and without paying interest. Now, child, you owe.

    We are all of our fathers' sins. And your analogy would fail because your emperor, your former head of gov't and your military committed all those horrific crimes. They advocated it, enabled it, and were found guilt of it.

    If you people would act like the Germans and knee before God for a sincere apology and follow it up by ostracizing those criminal enshrined, textbook content and history re-writing elements, do you think all of those that were victimized by you would still yell foul?

    You think this is limited to the asians? Think again. Do you know why your country that is so economically powerful, structured, free, democratic, and civilized are still considered as second class? That's one of the reasons. You guys are hypocrites and dependents. Some will use the term cowards but I wouldn't go that far.

  • 2

    Yubaru

    Let's say your granddaday owed me money, he died, so your daddy would owe, but he died too and without paying interest. Now, child, you owe.

    What era are you living in? No I would owe you nothing.

  • 1

    Yubaru

    You think this is limited to the asians?

    You know why I dont comment more in depth on your posts? You assume too much.

    • Moderator

      highball7 and Yubaru, please do not address each other any further on this thread, since you are just bickering and going around in circles. Focus your comments on the story and not at each other.

  • 2

    WilliB

    Since the Peoples Daily is so interested in re-arranging borders, I wonder if we can expect an article about independece for the previously independent country of Tibet?

    I bet they love that topic...

  • -12

    highball7

    Yubaru,

    I served my country decades ago. Once a marine always a marine. SO YES WE!. Make fun of me, I don't care. Disrespect the marine, you got another thing coming my little allied friend. Think before you write.

    For someone who is ignorant about history with no sense of time and responsibility, you sure like to judge. But its a free world, you can say whatever you want. But let's take a look on why you are a hypocrite along with many of your fellow Japanese and Japanophiles here.

    You said that 80 years is a long time ago and no one cares. Yet you people constantly crap on the Chinese for something they did in a chaotic time with everyone against them. Sure they killed millions, that was 60 years ago. They invaded Tibet, that was 70 years ago.

    So 70-80 years ago, what Japan raped and killed didn't matter now. But what China did mattered so much that they are the predominant excuses anti-Chinese would make against them. You're not a hypocrite?

    Really?

    You know what I think, if we didn't occupy Japan, you still think you would be the pacifist that you are today? Since you people like to play victim, why is such a peaceful country hold the most powerful and advanced indigenous navy in the entire west-pacific?

    Pacifist? Or a wolf in sheep skin? I say you are pacifist but hey, looks like all of your neighbors disagree with you. You are in the same situation as Israel except that the Jews were really victims of genocide 80 years ago. You people were the perpetrator. How ironic is that?

  • 6

    Kazuaki Shimazaki

    In a modern, Western value system, it'll be the opposite. If Granddaddy owes you money and he dies. Sorry, that's the end. Each person is an individual and you can't pursue against the daddy, then the child and so on.

    And I won't be so confident that the German tactic would work. There were real motivations in the West's case (mostly the need to get Germany as a bulwark against the Soviet Union) that cause their best interests to be in accepting Germany's apology fast and moving on.

    China and Korea don't have these factors. Their best advantage is to squeeze this lemon as long as they can. If anything, Japan might have done better to shake their economy every time they speak up until they were silenced. It sounds brutal, but that's the fact.

  • 8

    hokkaidoguy

    Simple fix for Japan. Establish formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan, recognize the Tibetan gov't in exile, and above all else - stop sending bloody aid money to the PRC.

    Oh, and mods? The giant red floating banner absolutely sucks balls. Using Pagedown to scroll through articles no longer works - you've got to pagedown and then scroll back up.

  • 5

    House Atreides

    However, getting that damn 9th article past the congress and build up your own freaking military and fight the Chinese or maybe the Koreans and Russians on your freaking own. You know, like what responsible adults do instead of hiding behind our back while like a dog?

    The U.S. lost 36,516 men rolling back the Chinese and North Koreans forces north of the 38th parallel. The U.S. intervened in the Korean War to defend Japan against a potential Chinese threat.

    U.S. East Asian experts saw Japan as the critical counterweight to the Soviet Union and China in the region. While there was no United States policy that dealt with South Korea directly as a national interest, its proximity to Japan pushed South Korea to the fore. "The recognition that the security of Japan required a non-hostile Korea led directly to President Truman's decision to intervene... The essential point... is that the American response to the North Korean attack stemmed from considerations of US policy toward Japan."

    The United States will not hesitate to step in again if the Chinese get out of line. Guys like Andrew Marshall at the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment have spent the last 20 years preparing for an eventual conflict with China. As General Dempsey has stated: "The best way to avoid war is to prepare for it."

  • 1

    Steven C. Schulz

    Since the legitimate government of China is in Taipei, not Beijing, why should we care what an illegitimate mouthpiece says?

  • -12

    highball7

    Schutz, I wish that were the case but the UN doesn't agree with you. So what you say and how I feel don't matter, does it?

  • 3

    praack

    china believes that Japan will never scrap the constitution imposed by the US on it when the war was lost= they believe the Japanese lost all will to fight and are the perfect whipping post for the region.

    i am not quite sure that is true however, but China will push,

    I will say this- if the Senkaku islands go to China -the military base that will be built there will place the Okinawan bases in jeopardy - thus pressing the US to consider moving them and weakening the treaty

    china does nothing without a reason

  • -5

    umbrella

    Americans please stay after all, I didn't mean it, honestly.

  • 7

    mikihouse

    the crazy thing is Chinese believes their own lies

  • -11

    Tony Ew

    Obviously psychological warfare without any chance for China to actually claim sovereignty to Okinawa. Okinawa was definitely Chinese vassal state as can be seen with so much Chinese influence there. "the Ryukyus were a “vassal state” of China before Japan annexed the islands in the late 1800s." ( in 1872 Japan officially annexed Okinawa) This was around the time China was forced to sign the Treaty of Shimonoseki 1895

    Okinawans should just wake up from their nightmare and go back to pre annexation period and decide for themselves their own future. Let US still have the bases, that's fine with me but they should have a referendum to decide their own future.

    One other thing China can do is to stop complaining and instead invest billions of dollars to make Okinawa a top tourist destination for the Chinese. This will encourage more trade between them as was in the past and perhaps Okinawans will be less reliant on Tokyo.

  • 11

    Matthew Simon

    Beware anything made in a Communist country with the title "Peoples" in it. It rarely reflects any of the "peoples" opinions. It is always an agenda on the state.

    Honestly people really need to get over World War II. Those grudges should have long since dropped. Living in the past makes you loose sight of the present and the future.

  • 8

    Upgrayedd

    The problem for China is that Okinawa likes being part of Japan.

  • 10

    mikihouse

    Wait a minute, Manchuria was divided by France, Russia, Portugal, Britain, Germany and to some extent Japan. So Can the European countries claim China too? BUt wait, lets go back, the whole Europe and Asia Minor was conquered by Alexander the Great, can the Greece demand ownership of the whole Europe? I forgot, Persians ( Iran ) and Babylon (Iraq) almost ruled the whole Middle East and Europe too, can they also stake their claim? Now this is getting difficult because Roman Empire ruled the whole of Europe too, can Italy stake also that claim?

    Chinese propaganda...reach a whole level of absurdity

  • 10

    BradG91

    "China claims ownership of mars based on historic ties to Martian Kingdom." That will be the next thing they go after

  • 8

    LFRAgain

    But some Chinese see historical ties as a basis for sovereignty and dismiss Japan’s possession of the islands as a legacy of its aggressive expansionism that ended in defeat at the end of World War II.

    As opposed to the legacy of China's aggressive expansionism across the centuries....? Northern China, Southern China, Inner Mongolia, Guangxi, Ningxia, Xinjiang, Tibet: All of these regions became part of China as a result of aggressive expansionism throughout China's long history.

    Do these {coff!} "scholars" propose giving the people in these regions back their liberty?

    Or is this just another example of China's increasing prediliction for brinksmanship designed to get what it wants when it knows it's in the wrong? Probably the latter.

  • 5

    Fadamor

    Hehe, so much for Okinawans claiming that Americans were just using the possibility of China "stepping in" if the Americans left as a scare tactic. What say ye now? Think the JSDF can handle a sudden visit by China to "reclaim" the Ryukyuus?

  • 9

    wtfjapan

    come on people you should all understand by now that CHINA OWNS EVERTHING, except common sense of course

  • -11

    Tony Ew

    @TamaramaMay. 08, 2013 - 07:15PM JST

    Such is their ever inflated sense of National worth, that I have no doubt they actually believe this is in Okinawa's best interest.

    But if nothing else, it shows how imperialist they are. Have they bothered to ask the Okinawans I wonder?

    Funny you couldn't figure it out. China was just waging a psychological warfare without any real basis to claim Okinawa since there is no historical evidence of ownership other than trade with her vassal state.

    However Okinawans should wake up and decide for themselves their own future and stop being manipulated by Japan. Okinawa could follow the Taiwan model without being own by any country! I am shocked to learn Japan forbade them to express their own culture per viking68. What kind of democracy is that?

    "Some Okinawans consider themselves independent of Japan. When the U.S. "returned" the islands to Japan, Japan forbade them from using their native language and changed a lot. The earlier Japanese military presence only subjugated the population."

  • 10

    nigelboy

    “I think this is psychological warfare,” he said, adding: “The major point is to put pressure on Japan so that the Japanese administration will be forced to make concessions over the Senkaku islands.”

    How does this logic work? " We (China) want Okinawa but will settle for Senkaku. See. We're willing to concede".

    This so-called "psychological warfare" may work among their brainwashed citizens to continually believe that their government is trying to negotiate in good faith but it's essentially telling the world how messed up the country really is globally and is not to be trusted. Is it any wonder that the entire Asian community especially in SE Asia is forming an alliance with U.S. and Japan by conducting military drills and holding security talks. (The latest being Japan with Vietnam)

  • 8

    Saketown

    Tssss...This is the typical Communist "Fish Wrap" coming from the Maoist Propaganda Machine on Mainland China.

    Unfortunately, for most Chinese living on mainland China, they'll believe this rhetoric because they've been so brainwashed by their own State Run Media for so many decades that this kind of "Fish Wrap" won't go away anytime soon.

    Not to worry, the U.S. will not leave Okinawa for another 300 + Years according to our current Defense Budget and our New Renewed Pivot to further Democratize Asia.

  • 9

    hatsoff

    Sooooo funny!

    It really is time for the Chinese establishment to start wearing red noses and funny long shoes. I think even Mao would be embarrassed at some of the things they're doing these days. Clowns of Asia.

  • 1

    Triumvere

    Overreach much?

  • 2

    Shankun

    If China wanted to make people from Hokkaido down to Kyushu say 'Okinawa is Japanese!' they couldn't get the work done than that. And I hope Okinawans will realise that instead of American bases they'll have Chinese ones.

  • 5

    Upgrayedd

    However Okinawans should wake up and decide for themselves their own future and stop being manipulated by Japan. Okinawa could follow the Taiwan model without being own by any country! I am shocked to learn Japan forbade them to express their own culture per viking68. What kind of democracy is that?

    The people of Okinawa are not forbidden from expressing their own culture. Perhaps you should go visit.

  • -11

    Moondog

    Those of you here are laughing at China and viewing their claim as nonsense are simply uninformed. China's claim on Okinawa is much stronger than Japan's. An even stronger claim, however, is for Okinawa's independence as a kingdom. No doubt the Sho family, who still live in Shuri, would be glad to step back into that role.

    That said, the Okinawans voted to throw their lot in with Japan (though the Chinese might complain that the vote was invalid since return to Chinese tributary status was not on the ballot). That should be the end of the story.

    The best source for an overview of Okinawa's history in English is George H. Kerr's Okinawa, the History of an Island People. One needs to read that before attempting to make meaningful comments on this issue.

  • 6

    malfupete

    This is so stupid... the 13 colonies used to belong to England yet you never see them demanding back New York! Turkey (Ottoman Empire) controled most of the Balkans, north africa, syria, etc at one point yet we never see modern Turkey demanding back Greece or Croatia!!

    China can claim the islands belong to them, but it ain't gonna happen without military force.

  • -10

    justice_first

    The Ryukyu is definitely an open issue.

    The best thing is to let the Ryukyu be an independent nation once more, as it was back in the 1870's.

  • 0

    mikihouse

    misguided fools no wonder they will start the next world war...but hey why does it sounds like South Korea's propaganda too? That almost everything in this world came from Korea including Jesus?

  • 7

    Yubaru

    Those of you here are laughing at China and viewing their claim as nonsense are simply uninformed.

    And you sir, if you think that China has any legitimate claim to Okinawa must also believe then that the Hawaiian people have a right to "take back" Hawaii and become independent again as well.

    The Sho family has no desire to be kings again, and Okinawan's had little choice in the matter of "throwing their lot in with Japan" If was forced, and China had no desire to assist the Ryukyuan kingdom at the time either.

  • 9

    Yubaru

    The Ryukyu is definitely an open issue.

    Definitely an open issue? My goodness, I can not believe that there are people who actually believe this. Unbelievable.

  • 7

    toannds

    History? Up to which point of time in the past do you want? I guess African countries should claim the whole China first because human seems to originate from Africa :)

    Your claims are always strong and logical as long as you have money to spend and billions of brainwashed nationalists. If you have a power in your hands without oppositions that even better! Once you have them all, the rest is jobs for the "scholars" and the mouthpieces and hundred thousand speakers spreading all over online forums. They will dig to find "proof" or "historic evidences".

    China has everything except the trust from its neighbors thanks to its dangerous arrogance.

  • 6

    nigelboy

    The best thing is to let the Ryukyu be an independent nation once more, as it was back in the 1870's.

    That's for people of Okinawa to decide.

    So I'm assuming that's all in the works and they're just a few signatures away from referrandum. (sarcasm)

    Also, I seem to recall a 2006 gubernatorial race in which a guy named Chousuke Yara ran for campaigning for independence. He got a whopping 6,220 votes (0.93%).

  • 7

    Get Real

    Tibet is part of China as much as Okinawa is part of Japan.

    Then why does Beijing throw it's toys out of the stroller every time successive world leaders meet with the Dalai Lama, and deny his followers their religious freedoms?

    Why was His Holiness given the Nobel Peace Prize for efforts in "the struggle of the liberation of Tibet", a Congressional Medal of Honor, and a multitude of honorary doctorates and citizenships?

    Does this display international acquiescence on the Tibet issue? Are there similar global protest voices in support of Okinawan, or (heaven forbid) Texan self determination?

  • 4

    Hansaram

    And thus, Chinese hypocrisy and idiocy have been reveal even further. Thanks to China, US base in Okinawa is justify.

  • 6

    Saul Schimek

    China is losing it. And in a way that bears watching..

  • 2

    Fadamor

    Why was His Holiness given the Nobel Peace Prize for efforts in "the struggle of the liberation of Tibet", a Congressional Medal of Honor, and a multitude of honorary doctorates and citizenships?

    Unless he served in combat as part of the U.S. military, there's no way he ever received the Medal of Honor.

    • Moderator

      Back on topic please. Tibet is not relevant to this discussion.

  • -13

    Tony Ew

    @MoondogMay. 08, 2013 - 10:47PM JST

    Those of you here are laughing at China and viewing their claim as nonsense are simply uninformed. China's claim on Okinawa is much stronger than Japan's. An even stronger claim, however, is for Okinawa's independence as a kingdom. No doubt the Sho family, who still live in Shuri, would be glad to step back into that role.

    That said, the Okinawans voted to throw their lot in with Japan (though the Chinese might complain that the vote was invalid since return to Chinese tributary status was not on the ballot). That should be the end of the story.

    The best source for an overview of Okinawa's history in English is George H. Kerr's Okinawa, the History of an Island People. One needs to read that before attempting to make meaningful comments on this issue.

    Moondog, now you really let the cat out of the bag! Okinawans are now awakened and may want to reexamine their relationships with Japan. Okinawans are desperately looking for a 'lifesaver' and I must admit China had not being smart enough yet to cultivate their economic dependence away from Japan and more towards China.

    All these time it seems Japan is just 'buying' Okinawa by sending them lots of money to keep them quiet. I wonder what happen if China is smarter by investing more there. She could use soft economic power to just 'buy' over the islands. I suspect Japan may erect roadblocks to make it harder for China to succeed, we'll see.

  • 2

    nandakandamanda

    China has a sense of humor/humour. This has to be a good sign.

  • 12

    Peter Payne

    I'd make a comment that was insightful and interesting but the needle-dick JT editor who can't get laid even in Japan would just delete it. So I'll be snarky and insult the needle-dick JT editors.*

    *That's what happens when you remove people's real comments, JT editors. You guys should be ashamed, removing posts you don't agree with.

  • 8

    oedo1

    The crazy thing is that China believes their own lies!

  • 3

    toshiko

    Is the Chinese scholors claiming China belong to Mongolia, too? This comment is not done by Chinese Government, Maybe they will begin to tell USA belong to Mexico because of history? We live in current world, I thought.

  • -4

    Moondog

    Yubaru wrote:

    ... if you think that China has any legitimate claim to Okinawa ...

    Legitimate?" Did I say that? I merely said China's claim was stronger than Japan's. Okinawa was a tribute state of China for centuries and sent many generations of royal children to China to be educated. Satsuma simply sent a gang of samurai (in violation of Tokyo's own laws) to use their skill with katana to collect taxes. This impoverished the Okinawans who were, at the same time, paying tribute (read: tax) to China.

    [You] must also believe then that the Hawaiian people have a right to "take back" Hawaii and become independent again as well.

    Well, now that you mention it, I would point out that the Queen Lili'uokalani was overthrown by force by marines from the USS Boston acting at the behest of Sanford Dole of pineapple fame (and other white businessmen) and the election in which "Hawaii" voted to become a US state violated historic custom by allowing non-Hawaiian (i.e., white) residents to join in voting (1959). Let the Hawaiians vote on their own and you might get a different result.

    No, it ain't going to happen any time soon, but you asked about their "right."

    The Sho family has no desire to be kings again ...

    If you say so. I'd suggest asking them again after it becomes a realistic possibility (probably never).

    ... Okinawan's had little choice in the matter of "throwing their lot in with Japan" If was forced ...

    The leader of the Okinawan independence movement at the time decided it would be better to accept "reversion" to Japan than to continue under American rule. Perhaps it was a mistake but independence was not then and is not now a realistic expectation.

    ... and China had no desire to assist the Ryukyuan kingdom at the time either.

    If you mean during the Satsuma era, yes, China was neglecting Okinawa. But it was benign neglect. That is very different from the harsh treatment Okinawa received from the agents of Satsuma.

    At the end of WWII, China, as an ally of the US, wanted and expected to receive the Ryukyus as a spoil of war. They protested vigorously when they didn't get it. China had plenty of "desire" at that time, but no power to act on it.

  • -10

    Lemon Fun

    I think this time Chinese is right. Ryukyu does not belong to us long ago. Be fair and be true to the history.

  • 6

    nigelboy

    Is the Chinese scholors claiming China belong to Mongolia, too? This comment is not done by Chinese Government, Maybe they will begin to tell USA belong to Mexico because of history? We live in current world, I thought.

    Chinese scholars=Chinese government. Same thing.

    When you have just one government issued history textbooks, the term "scholars" do not apply. This is why their argument is deduced to "XXXX is an inherent territory of China since beginning of time" rhetoric.

  • -1

    Moondog

    Tony Ew wrote:

    Moondog, now you really let the cat out of the bag! Okinawans are now awakened and may want to reexamine their relationships with Japan.

    Actually, many have and do. But Okinawans don't need me to let them know the history.

  • -11

    Lemon Fun

    So stupid that Japanese and Chinese are being manipulated by the Americans!!!!!!

  • 4

    stephen424

    "Let's say your granddaday owed me money, he died, so your daddy would owe, but he died too and without paying interest. Now, child, you owe.

    We are all of our fathers' sins. And your analogy would fail because your emperor, your former head of gov't and your military committed all those horrific crimes. They advocated it, enabled it, and were found guilt of it."

    If my grandpa owed you money, you go after him. If you go after me and my dad, i'll sue your A** in courts. Whoever borrowed, that person responsibility. You are acting like a loan shark, in that case, i can sue your A** in courts as well.

  • -8

    Tony Ew

    @MoondogMay. 09, 2013 - 12:53AM JST

    Tony Ew wrote:

    Moondog, now you really let the cat out of the bag! Okinawans are now awakened and may want to reexamine their relationships with Japan.

    Actually, many have and do. But Okinawans don't need me to let them know the history

    Somebody going to accuse me for Instigating Civil Unrest. Maybe Okinawans when they get really fed up with Japan and US, they might learn how People Power operates. Philippines, Thailand, Arab Spring, wow, this is going to shake the military balance to the core. It's frightening how easy it is given the power of Facebook, that's why one cannot access FB in China.

  • 0

    CanadianJapan

    I think that the fact that no Okinawan is complaining about NOT being part of China kinda says it all.

  • -8

    toshiko

    Nigel boy stated : Chinese scholars=Chinese government. Same thing. ;;;;;;;;;; Are Chinese scholars govern China? Do you know what position these scholars have in Chinese Government? If you know other scholars in Chinese Govt, please stat that to educate me. Maybe they will comment that Mexico belongs to Spain? So, USA belongs to Spain because Mexico owned USA once upon a time.

  • 5

    gelendestrasse

    That's got to be the nuttiest claim made by the Chinese to date - well, except for Tibet. Are the Chinese "scholars" trying to one - up Kim Jong Un? They're doing a good job of looking silly and stupid. Takes hard work to be this far over the top. Next they'll be doing comedy in Vegas.

  • 3

    nigelboy

    Are Chinese scholars govern China? Do you know what position these scholars have in Chinese Government?

    Along with the Universities, they are part of the Ministry of Education of the PRC. Tsinghua University's 劉江永 is one.

  • 1

    CraigHicks

    Does anyone have the actual link to this article? In Chinese is OK. A brief search by myself of the front page of the English People's Daily turned up nothing. First it's a good idea to make sure it's not a hoax. Secondly, it's important to understand the context in which it was said.

  • 6

    zichi

    I see the stale Chinese bread rolls are out in force again!

  • -5

    toshiko

    Nigelboy: 劉江永 is just one of universities in China, The stuffs are not employees of Government. Just like Japanese Universities or USA universities, the daily actions are training students. Stuffs do not participate in government political decision makings.

  • 5

    Hide Suzuki

    @Tony Ew

    "Okinawans are now awakened and may want to reexamine their relationships with Japan"

    Couldn't agree more. Now they are scared that China might claim them so they feel even more Japanese LOL.

    I do respect you for one thing, many Chinese Americans are ashamed of being one and they prefer not to talk about their home country but you are different !

    It's almost impossible to defend China in many cases but you never give up !!!!

  • 3

    nigelboy

    Nigelboy: 劉江永 is just one of universities in China, The stuffs are not employees of Government. Just like Japanese Universities or USA universities, the daily actions are training students. Stuffs do not participate in government political decision makings.

    The university itself is under the old national key universities and is,

    "Universities under the Chinese Ministry of Education, of which there are currently 75, became known as "Universities directly under the Ministry of Education" (教育部直属高校)")."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Key_Universities

    And who said anything about "political decision makings?" when they are merely a propaganda outlet of the central government? You seem to be under a delusion that such universities have the same hierarchy as that of the central government.

  • 6

    stephen424

    "Okinawa was a tribute state of China for centuries and sent many generations of royal children to China to be educated.

    "a tribute state" was an independent state. If base on your logic, then not only Okinawa but korea, vietnam, Mongolia, Laos, etc..are all belong to China since they were tributary state toward China. BTW, back in the Tang Dynasty, tributary states also included those from nowaday India, does that make India belongs to China too?

    Oh, and China under the Song was a tributary state toward the Jin and later Mongols before Mongols annexed the whole china, should China go back to Mongols embracement now? or at least give back the stolen inner Mongolia.

  • 6

    nigelboy

    Oh, and China under the Song was a tributary state toward the Jin and later Mongols before Mongols annexed the whole china, should China go back to Mongols embracement now? or at least give back the stolen inner Mongolia.

    The area commonly known as "China" is a repeat history of various ethnic groups with their respective dynasties killing, pillaging, and conquering one another. Hence, the Han dominated recent history really has less of a claim to their own mainland.

    Good for Stephen to bring up this inconvenient truth about 'China"

  • -10

    YoKoWang

    It's time for the entire Okinawa to pursue its independence. The american military should go back to where they belong and leave a peaceful life to the Okinawans.

  • 3

    Elbuda Mexicano

    The stupid idiots running China from Beijing, wow! These idiot fools are supposed to be "caring and loving" the good people of CHINA?? This is just an obvious ploy, to DISTRACT the common people of CHINA away from their OWN INTERNAL problems with the country, with the inequalities with the CORRUPTION inside Beijing and the rest of China by?? Yes! By getting the sheeple of China to actually believe this crap about Okinawa etc..to make them ANGRY, vent out their ANGER not against BEIJING but against JAPAN! Most people around the world can see this stupid game! When will the good people of CHINA see the evil, stupid games Beijing is trying to pull??

  • -9

    YoKoWang

    The Ryukyu kingdom had a long tribute relationship with China for 500 hundred years before Japan. It's not surprising that China had a say. Is it a big deal?

  • 1

    Fadamor

    Legitimate?" Did I say that? I merely said China's claim was stronger than Japan's.

    There's a saying in America - and I'm sure every other country has something similar - that says, "Possession is 9/10ths of the law". Meaning whoever currently has something is going to need an awful lot of evidence against them before possession will change hands. Unless Okinawa splits from Japan and asks to be admitted to China, China's case is as weak as it gets.

  • 1

    lachance

    You do know that this is just a ploy to get Japan to give up the Senkakus, right? By also claiming Okinawa, they believe they can scare Japan into a compromise where China will give up all claims to Okinawa in return for getting the Senkaku Islands. This is all so blatantly malicious and duplicitous that you should just LAUGH at how clumsy and juvenile the PRC is as a supposed world-class state.

    We will all be better served when the PRC devolves into six constituent democracies, three of which will be Han Chinese based on the cultural watersheds of China's three principal rivers, meaning the Yangtze People's Republic, the Yellow River Federation and the Oriental Pearl. The other three countries are the former colonies of the PRC, meaning Tibet, Uighur, and Inner Mongolia (which itself will coalesce with Outer Mongolia to reform the Mongolian nation).

  • 4

    Yubaru

    Okinawa belong to Okinawans and nobody else, not China, certainly not Japan. Let them vote and throw out all foreigners if they want.

    Question here, and just how are you going to discern between ethnic Okinawan's and Japanese when setting up the vote? You have no idea the logistical nightmare that this would be and it's foolish to even consider.

    Like it or not, a HUGE problem for many people is their ability to distinguish between ethnicity and nationality. Okinawan people are CITIZENS of Japan, there is no changing that, and there is no desire to do so.

    End of story. (That is with the exception of ignorant, redneck, Chinese newspapers that write dumb, knee-jerk articles to keep the natives focused on outside issues rather than domestic ones.)

  • 1

    toshiko

    Okinawan people don't know how to speak Chinese. They speak Japanese. In this Chinese's opinions, China belong to Mongolia ans USA belong to Mexico, then Mexico belongs to Spain? It is a stupid comment by Chinese scholars, I think.

  • 1

    Dukeleto

    Britain should have never given HK to the Chinese. They should have drawn a line in the sand.

  • 3

    House Atreides

    Okinawan people don't know how to speak Chinese. They speak Japanese.

    Why would a Jomon descended people speaking a Japonic language (Uchinaguchi or the Standard Dialect) want to live under Chinese occupation? The answer of course is they wouldn't. Outside of Okinawa, the mainland Japanese are the closest genetically and linguistically to the Okinawans and today they're also culturally the closest. There's an old German proverb: Blut ist dicker als Wasser (Blood is thicker than water).

  • 7

    Hide Suzuki

    @Tony Ew

    "Okinawa belong to Okinawans and nobody else, not China, certainly not Japan"

    Okinawa belongs to Japan, that's certain, contact the UN if you don't believe so.

    Btw, there is a strong evidence that Beijing belongs to Japan. So let's have them vote and let them decide if they want to be Japanese or Chinese. Let's also have Taiwanese people vote if they want to be Japanese or Chinese, I would love to see the results

    Funny how some people were joking that China soon would claim Japan as its territory thinking it would never happen and this is what they claim LOL. Unbelievable.

    You are obviously Chinese or Chinese American if you think any non-Chinese person wants to be Chinese except some real minorities.

  • 2

    Yubaru

    The leader of the Okinawan independence movement at the time decided it would be better to accept "reversion" to Japan than to continue under American rule.

    This is nonsense, the Okinawan government at the time of reversion was only thinking of reversion to Japan and the Okinawan independence movement was, as it is still today, a fringe element that has zero influence on anything.

    If you say so. I'd suggest asking them again after it becomes a realistic possibility (probably never).

    I have, they don't and laughed at the idea.

    If you mean during the Satsuma era, yes, China was neglecting Okinawa. But it was benign neglect. That is very different from the harsh treatment Okinawa received from the agents of Satsuma.

    China never cared about the Ryukyu's other than it being a source of income and send only minor functionaries to the Ryukyu court. China never considered sending troops or military support to Okinawa either, Okinawa meant nothing to it.

  • -1

    Steven C. Schulz

    > Britain should have never given HK to the Chinese. They should have drawn a line in the sand.

    Agreed. And judging by the colonial HK flag waving by 1 July protestors, some Hong Kongers agree too.

    If the British had used even a fraction of the same cunning that brought 1/4 of the world under their banner, they would have found a way. Such as exchanging permanent sovereignty of Hong Kong for switching diplomatic recognition from Taipei.

    Hopefully, Hong Kong's future is that of an independent city-state in the mould of Singapore; for for this anglophile, a return to the Commonwealth.

  • 0

    gokai_wo_maneku

    They wanted Senkaku Islands as soon as it was announced that there was oil under the ground there back in the 70s. However, subsequent surveys have shown that most of the oil is actually under Okinawa. So right on schedule, China wants Okinawa.

  • 0

    gokai_wo_maneku

    Actually, obviously this is just a way to challange the US "Asian Pivot". It is just because there are lots of US military bases there (I think the largest presence in Asia). They are just poking the US in the eye.

  • 2

    Yubaru

    However, subsequent surveys have shown that most of the oil is actually under Okinawa. So right on schedule, China wants Okinawa.

    I am curious to know if you have any links to these "subsequent surveys"? I ask because if this were true, there would have been a ton of news about this here locally and nationally as well, but there has been nary a peep about it.

  • 6

    Seapig

    You do know that this is just a ploy to get Japan to give up the Senkakus, right?

    I can't imagine that even China can believe this will do anything but strengthen Japan's resolve to not budge a mm on the Senkakus, cause the US to speedup their "pivot to Asia", and bring Okinawa closer to Tokyo!

    There are a VERY small minority of Okinawans that campaign for independence, just as there are in almost ALL countries, BUT NO ONE wants to be part of China! Looking at what may -- or may not -- have happened 500 years ago to justify a territorial argument is asinine!

    Not sure why China would spout something like this but it certainly helps Japan's image internationally!

  • -8

    Tiger_In_The_Hermitage

    This article is intereting and certainly raises some questions for those who have been to Okinawa and visitied the castle there, they can see that all the documents are writen in Chinese. I found that surprising when I visited the island.

  • 4

    oedo1

    @Gokai

    Actually, obviously this is just a way to challange the US "Asian Pivot". It is just because there are lots of US military bases there (I think the largest presence in Asia). They are just poking the US in the eye.

    They may find they are poking the wrong eye! lol

  • 2

    Yubaru

    This article is intereting and certainly raises some questions for those who have been to Okinawa and visitied the castle there, they can see that all the documents are writen in Chinese. I found that surprising when I visited the island.

    Btw, not "all" documents are written in Chinese, and even if they were what difference does it make?

  • 4

    viking68

    Just more delusions of grandeur from China and the China supporters here. Or in military jargon, China is just bumping their gums.

    It shows how simple minded and stupid China's policies are. But we all know the policies are directed to control domestic population. It makes me wonder what new domestic Chinese scandal needs another little distraction.

  • -7

    Nathaw

    Many posters are foreign expats or Japanese who have no concern about the Ryuku people. Who cares what they defend as Japan as legitimate ownership or not. They dislike and disgusted about being lectured by others for their affair. The course of Okinawa is not depending on others. Being small and weak means not always hopeless.

    Okinawa has never proud of being part of Japan. It has never participated celebration of humiliation day. They prefer to eat pork instead of fish. Okinawa Tae or Karate was imported from China not from Japan. It was called as Chinese hands before. This time they have to import Chinese money for prosperity. They have been bored with being part of Japan for so long.

    In fact many natives are sick and tired of being second class citizens in their homeland. They want to change something new or something difference as Scotland which will make referendum in 2014. How far Scotland has gone through the struggles to make their dream reality. It is enviable.

    It is up to residents of Okinawa to decide whether they want to be independent or want to be dancers of K pop or want to be Chinese banquet lovers, it is their choice. If they do not get what they want, South has to rise again for becoming second Scotland or Ireland republic.

  • 7

    JaneM

    Okinawans are now awakened and may want to reexamine their relationships with Japan. Okinawans are desperately looking for a 'lifesaver' and I must admit China had not being smart enough yet to cultivate their economic dependence away from Japan and more towards China.

    This really "made" my day. How absurd can a comment be? Tony, you really should go visit Okinawa (and also other parts of Japan for that matter) before you get to post nonsense about the people in the Japan.

  • -13

    Tony Ew

    @JaneM

    This really "made" my day. How absurd can a comment be? Tony, you really should go visit Okinawa (and also other parts of Japan for that matter) before you get to post nonsense about the people in the Japan

    Okinawa was annexed by Japan. They are very different people until Japan assimilate them to the point you cannot notice the difference! In fact they have more Chinese culture in them before Japan annex them in the late 19th century. They are always treated as second class citizens in Japan. Even WWII their girls were sacrificed to kill themselves, tricked by the Japanese army to save themselves!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HistoryoftheRyukyuIslands

    I know enough about Japan, being there twice, in the States and also in Taiwan, guess I know more than you!

  • 4

    Upgrayedd

    You think the people of Okinawa were more Chinese than Japanese? Please remind us what language they spoke and what writing system they used in their first books. Or how many supported joing Japan versus the % percentage of votes the Independence party gets in local election and how many votes the "return to China" party gets...

  • 4

    CraigHicks

    “I think this is psychological warfare,” he said, adding: “The major point is to put pressure on Japan so that the Japanese administration will be forced to make concessions over the Senkaku islands.”

    No, this is about the a rising powerful nation failing to engage with its neighbors, and indulging in dreams of a one sided foreign policy based on nationalistic feelings and unrealistic self-aggrandizement. Obviously it will provide no catalyst for solving the problem of the Senkaku's, quite the opposite in fact.

    The ultimate irony is that China is/was? on a trajectory to be a true leader of Asia; a leader in the modern sense of business, trade, education, being a crossroads of the world. Certainly one key part, a crown jewel in fact, of that destiny would be a deep friendly and trusting friendship with Japan. In the 90's China was moving in that direction with Japan, but now they seem to be moving away.

    There is a long history of powerful nations pandering to their own egos and squandering opportunity. Therefore I would say China's behavior is simply normal, just par for the world. Nevertheless, it's a shame to see such wasted potential.

  • 5

    CraigHicks

    Tony Ew | It's frightening how easy it is given the power of Facebook, that's why one cannot access FB in China.

    You said it.

  • 18

    zichi

    I know enough about Japan, being there twice, in the States and also in Taiwan, guess I know more than you!

    A couple of tourist visits don't make anyone a professor on that country. I've lived in Japan for 20 years, both out in the villages and in the major cities but I'm still learning about the culture.

    I've spent decades visiting America, too many trips to remember but in total time more than 5 years but that don't make me a professor of that country either.

    "Guess I know more than you!" Is something a 14 year-old teenager would say?

  • 11

    zichi

    If Okinawa belongs to China we would have to redraw the world map because many countries could lay claims to lands they no longer have.

    Bottom line, would the people of Okinawa even want to even live under Red China rule, somehow I don't think so nor do I think the majority would want independence because the economic life would be too difficult and the massive increase in costs like having to provide their own defense forces.

    Red China has said Senkaku belongs to Taiwan but Taiwan no longer belongs to Red China which the majority of the world's countries also agree with.

  • 6

    Seapig

    @zichi

    A couple of tourist visits don't make anyone a professor

    I reply to Tony with the same comment but from Okinawan perspective. I said a very small minority of Okinawa talk about independence, just as a few in ANY county, but 99.9% of all Okinawans would never consider China rule. There is no reason to reconsider who owns Okinawa. The people do and Okinawa and people are Japan, no question!

  • 8

    JaneM

    I know enough about Japan, being there twice, in the States and also in Taiwan, guess I know more than you!

    Guess the knowledge and wisdom we all get from your posts clearly show how much you know indeed, Tony.

  • 6

    gokai_wo_maneku

    I have six good friends from Okinawa, and they are all young, but they have never given any thought to being anyting but Japanese. Okinawa not being part of Japan is a completely absurd idea. Being part of China is just rediculous.

  • 1

    gokai_wo_maneku

    If China is so interested in historical justifications, they should go back to the Xia dynasty second millinium BC. That is what they are entitled to on a historical basis. Hint: it is very tiny.

  • 5

    toannds

    @Tony

    Okinawa was annexed by Japan. They are very different people until Japan assimilate them to the point you cannot notice the difference! In fact they have more Chinese culture in them before Japan annex them in the late 19th century. They are always treated as second class citizens in Japan. Even WWII their girls were sacrificed to kill themselves, tricked by the Japanese army to save themselves!

    I know enough about Japan, being there twice, in the States and also in Taiwan, guess I know more than you!

    China claims Okninawa -> You said China is right. China claims Senkaku -> You said China is right. China claims almost whole South China Sea -> Initially you said although have not taken a look yet but you believed China has more reasons than anyone else. After studied the claim you backed down a bit and said it is just a negotiation stance.

    It is really interesting to read all your posts accross the topics. Whatever China says/claims/does, it is always reasonable to you. I'm not the only one notice that.

    The truth would made your days much easier, Tony, unless you are working for China propaganda machine :)

  • 4

    House Atreides

    I have six good friends from Okinawa, and they are all young, but they have never given any thought to being anyting but Japanese. Okinawa not being part of Japan is a completely absurd idea. Being part of China is just rediculous.

    As early as 1951, Okinawans were already pushing for a return to Japanese rule. For example, 99.8 percent of Amamians (constituting 139,348 signatures) signed a petition by the Amami Oshima Nihon Fukki Kyogikai (Amami Oshima Reversion Council) supporting the return of Okinawa to Japan.

  • -6

    Moondog

    How can I be more clear about this. I didn't say China had a good or valid claim to Okinawa. I only said it was stronger than Japan's (if ignoring the "possession" thing).

    Yubaru, you wrote:

    ... how are you going to discern between ethnic Okinawan's and Japanese when setting up the vote? You have no idea the logistical nightmare that this would be and it's foolish to even consider.

    Just give everyone a short quiz in hogen. Those who pass are ethnic Okinawan. Those who don't are not. No logistical nightmare there.

    Oh, and if you want to see Chinese influence in Okinawa, just drive around and look at the architecture.

  • 1

    Patrick Hagger

    China is wrong and should cease and desist. I wonder how much North Korea is whispering in the ear of the Chinese Leaders. Japan do not be deceived by the smoke screen of the Chinese, first it was smaller islands now it is Okinawa soon it will be Japan. Be strong, be prepared, and allow God to guide your steps, the world has realized that Christianity is growing in Japan.

  • -12

    Tony Ew

    @Patrick HaggerMay. 10, 2013 - 04:57AM JST

    China is wrong and should cease and desist. I wonder how much North Korea is whispering in the ear of the Chinese Leaders. Japan do not be deceived by the smoke screen of the Chinese, first it was smaller islands now it is Okinawa soon it will be Japan. Be strong, be prepared, and allow God to guide your steps, the world has realized that Christianity is growing in Japan.

    Patrick, don't take China 'claim' seriously. This is just a joke to annoy Japan. Don't bring Christianity into the discussion. Japan is Shintoism and there are still remnants of superior race mentality ingrained in some of their leadership. This I suspect is reason why Japan is so hard to understand. They think they are superior people. Christianity don't have any of this self superiority complex and will never work in Japan. Look, Commodore Perry in Japan over 150 + years already, still a very resistant country to foreign religion!

  • 2

    lachance

    There can be no Chinese dream while the government exercises repression of free thought and expression. You know that!

    The price of innovative thought is very high, because for each great human mind that invents the new Apple or Microsoft juggernaut for industry, at least one crazy is allowed to develop his own free thought and expression.

    China can't allow that. Too many in China would go crazy with free thought and expression. Consequently, China cannot allow the next technological juggernaut to think freely, lest he also be a crazy man or woman.

    In the United States, we are secure with who we are. We love our country for what it is. We bear the burden of allowing the crazies the same level of free thought and expression as our own juggernaut thinkers. It's the price of freedom.

    America can afford free thinkers. China cannot. Until the PRC devolves into six constituent democracies, China cannot afford free-thinking individuals to innovate and create a future yet unforeseen. Until the PRC devolves, the Chinese must content themselves with stealing Western ideas, patents and copyrights, because China is restricted to picking the dead bones of capitalism.

    We so pity China, which has so much potential to be a boon to mankind, because China's salvation is as simple as dissolving the PRC into manageable entities based on ethnic realities. Remember that China is "not" synonymous with the PRC; China existed before the PRC; The Chinese will continue to exist long after the PRC. Come join with us. The future is nigh!

  • 5

    peanut666

    Poor Highball7 - a puppet of the Chinese government, trying to get paid by spreading lies, misinformation, and propaganda for China on websites all over the world. The world is finally realizing how evil China is and understanding why most of Asia hates the Chinese. Tibetans hate China, India hates China, Vietnam hates China, S.Korea hates China, the Philippines hate China.... why? because the proof is in their actions. China spreads lies, then tries to invade these countries. Now all these countries are siding with Japan and unifying in peace to fight the evil dragon. It doesn't matter what you say Highball7, no one is going to believe you.

  • 4

    Seiharinokaze

    When Qing Dynasty collapsed, Han Chinese became independent from Qing Dynasty. Then why not Tibet and Mongol and Uighur too? China may claim Okinawa perhaps because they feel insecure. Then we better not take in what is presented and get so hot. Remember it's also a virtual marketplace of PAC3 and Ospreys. War economy might be staged by stealth while sovereign crisis still haunts out there.

  • 4

    ka_chan

    Some of you joke about China next claiming Japan. Well if they use a status of being a “vassal state” that gave tribute to China, Japan certainly was one at one time. But, if Okinawa was a true vassal state and protected by China, how did Japan annex it without fighting China? Seems like China at the time may have been ticked off at loosing it's tribute but not enough to try to get the islands back. In the same respect, China lost the first Sino-Japanese war and lost Taiwan and Korea. So if China gave Japan Taiwan, should they give it back since China doesn't recognize Taiwan as independent from it. Anyway, China never ruled the Ryukyu Kingdom so it was more if a "tributary state". Wonder if China was any different from the Mafia and paying protection? Either way, China didn't protect the Ryukyu Kingdom from Japan.... should China pay back all that tribute?

  • 0

    Virtuoso

    Since it's all media propaganda and meaningless anyway, Japan should play along and retaliate by reclaiming Taiwan.

  • 5

    JoeBigs

    The PRC and it's servant nations are the greatest threat to world peace.

    It's Water Internet Army is a funny lot, they all read from the same memo and don't steer from it, if they did those fine posters here would be locked up faster than you can say "world domination".

    Hey whatever happened to the Qing Dynasty? Oh, yeah they collapsed due to a swollen head.

  • -1

    David Elson

    Since it's all media propaganda and meaningless anyway, Japan should play along and retaliate by reclaiming Taiwan.>

    Taiwan is one of the few countries in the region that's very friendly toward Japan at a governmental level (if you exclude all the tourism between Japan and South Korea, Taiwan's own territorial disputes with Japan, and the $$$ flowing between China and Japan)

    You probably don't want to throw away your only non-USA friend.

  • -2

    tixer

    The difference between Ryukyu issue and China-Mongolian who is the protagonist of aggression.Territory gain through aggression, or unequal contract is invalid, also violate the International law.So The core of Ryukyu issue is if the Potsdam Declaration and Cairo Declaration legal? If they are, so why the american goverment give Ryukyu to Japan unauthorized in 1972.

    This is Potsdam Declaration:

    "The several military missions have agreed upon future military operations against Japan. The Three Great Allies expressed their resolve to bring unrelenting pressure against their brutal enemies by sea, land, and air. This pressure is already rising.

    "President Roosevelt, Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek and Prime Minister Mr. Churchill, together with their respective military and diplomatic advisers, have completed a conference in North Africa."

    "The following general statement was issued:"

    "The Three Great Allies are fighting this war to restrain and punish the aggression of Japan. They covet no gain for themselves and have no thought of territorial expansion. It is their purpose that Japan shall be stripped of all the islands in the Pacific which she has seized or occupied since the beginning of the first World War in 1914, and that all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and The Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China. Japan will also be expelled from all other territories which she has taken by violence and greed. The aforesaid three great powers, mindful of the enslavement of the people of Korea, are determined that in due course Korea shall become free and independent.

    "With these objects in view the three Allies, in harmony with those of the United Nations at war with Japan, will continue to persevere in the serious and prolonged operations necessary to procure the unconditional surrender of Japan."

    Obviously, Ryukyu is part of "Japan will also be expelled from all other territories which she has taken by violence and greed."

  • -2

    tixer

    Even the country is weak, is unable to help, the Qing government never sever official relations with the Ryukyu before Treaty of Shimonoseki. Japanese can not afford Okinawans, so they killed 200,000 Okinawans people to "save" the resource.Public opinion? Why nobody ask the opinion of 20 million people?

  • -4

    Lemon Fun

    Fully support "Okinawa belong to Okinawans and nobody else, not China, certainly not Japan"!

    Let Okinawans vote for themselves.

  • -5

    Lemon Fun

    Okinawans should go independent!!!! hooray!!!!

  • 5

    canadianbento

    When is the civilized world going to quit buying Cinese Junk... They keep buying and giving the Chinese money, now with all this money for their junk they are going to own the World (they think). Be prepared for BIG problems with the Chinese.

  • 0

    toshiko

    Nigel boy: these scholars are not High School teachers like you copied " (教育部直属高校)")." Education Dept's HS.

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    toshiko

    @This article is intereting and certainly raises some questions for those who have been to Okinawa and visitied the castle there, they can see that all the documents are writen in Chinese. I found that surprising when I visited the island...........Some people are confused, I think. Japanese writings use kanji (chinese charaters) and hirakana. So, some people who are not familiar state that written in Chinese. Also katakana are used ofen. I learned Chinese when I was young, So, I know Okinawan use Japanese way. Meanings are same but pronounce differently. .

  • -1

    toshiko

    My point is that Okinawan people will have hard time if it is annexed to China. China must be planning to make Okinawa like Macau or Hong Kong to make $$$

    I

  • 2

    JanesBlonde

    HOLD ON

    The people of Okinawa do not belong as part of Japan.

    But the people of Tibet belong to China.

    How does that work?

  • 1

    hkitagawa

    Let then try. US and Japan will defeat their forces. There were no China in the past. It was part of the mongol empire a long time ago and China belongs to the Mongolians by history.

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    hkitagawa

    Maybe better to consider revising the constitution... until there is time.

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    CUBANO

    I think that Japan and other Asian countries should get used to China bullying them and should start thinking about what to do to stop them, because - you see - they are not going to stop. If anything, they will continue to press their demands the more powerful they becomes. Most people forget that this madhouse... excuse me, China is run by communists who will never stop trying to expand their territory by any means necessary. I think that we should all stop lying to ourselves. We should all repeat over and over: CHINA IS RUN BY COMMUNISTS!

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    sincerely999

    China's scholars, governments, media are all bully.

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    toshiko

    Social Science scholars suddenly began talking Okinawa. Are they anxious to make Okinawa same as Macao, Hong Kong, SP etc to make Okinawa as money making colony? Just my suspicion.

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    lachance

    @ ka_chan: Amazingly good reasoning. High quality. Who are you? What's your background?

  • -1

    Piotr Gierszewski

    Chinese territorial claims aren't very spectacular. For example history remembers times when certain person from Europe wanted all of the Eastern European countries to peacefully hand over their territories, so that he could give his people a "space of life". He managed to take part of Czechoslovakia, because people from Czechoslovakia were openly ignored in international disputes. Japan is in a better position because it can speak for itself; but the last word on this matter belongs to China.

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    justicetz

    I am just tired of reading these japanese's writing: no logic, confusion, shameless. just like their government.

    Right, how to dabate with cirmianls' grandsons and granddaughters. They don't know what justice is.

    Might a war, not just a battle, could be a final thing. Sadness, but no choice.

  • 1

    4649Julian

    ustice_firstMAY. The Ryukyu is definitely an open issue.

    Do you know International laws? What is the base that legitimately could make is as the issue. There is no longer as an open issue.

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    4649Julian

    justicetzMAY. I am just tired of reading these Chinese's writing: no logic, confusion, shameless. just like their government. Right, how to debate with criminals grandsons and granddaughters. They don't know what justice is.

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    4649Julian

    YoKoWangMAY. It's time for the entire Okinawa to pursue its independence.

    Over 99% people in Okinawa want to keep Okinawa as Japan. Please respect Okinawan.

  • 0

    4649Julian

    Sorry, TYPO in my comment that is 3 comments before.

    make is X, make it o.

  • 1

    Craig Tallentire

    And this is why giving the Senkakus to China wouldn't be anything but a very very bad idea. Strange of the Chinese newspaper to say this, are they just trying to make the Japanese right as angry as possible?

  • -1

    voiceofokinawa

    Did these academics really argue that China might have rights to the Ryukyu Islands because Ryukyu was once a vassal state of China? Could such argument hold water at all? If it could, then China definitely could lay claim to Vietnam and Korea, that were also vassals of ancient China. Even Japan paid tributes to Sui and Tang Dynasties from 600 to 618 to 894.

    Okinawa Governor said the scolors' claim is not worthy of commenting. And I agree with him for now.

  • 0

    JBinJapan

    The Communist Party of China believes everything belongs to them it seems. It effective stole islands belonging to the Phillipines, falsely claiming them as Chinese territory. It has long oppressed Tibet, and intimidated Taiwan.

    Although I disagree with PM Abe on most issues, his stance against communist aggression is solid. No one should kowtow to the Communist Party of China-a collection of glorified thugs.

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    kimtak330

    sorry SO IT'S Not polite to say "okinawa should be indipendent " like "Texas/Mancuria should be indipendent" At least Okinawan have already poll and choiced to join Japan from US at 1960'S why need poll again?

    UK composed 3 English Speaker ancient kingdoms, Japan also composed 4Japanese speaker ancient kingdoms Yamato, Kumaso,Ezo,Uchina(Okinawa) German & Italia & Japan unified at 1880's German Speaker Italiano Speaker and Japanese Speaker
    So** Wikibedia's Article "Ryukyu Island's"is China Established Propaganda Page that artricle against NPOV**

    Okinawan call thier ancient country"Uchina-" by thier "okinawa dialect". Standard Japanese pronaunce Okinawa. Ryukyu is Chinese language someting like Elsas Loatlingen(German call alsas loren like that) So Every guys aware Similer Pronaunciation Uchina- & Okinawa (because Okinawa dialect is blongs to Japanese Language) totally defferent from Ryukyu China require "Tribute Trade" to Mongolia,Korea,Vietnum,Japan,and arrogant Chinese Emperor require koutow & "Tribute Trade" to UK diplomacy at the biggining of China-UK relatiom and a part of ancient Korea kingdom "Mimana" tributed Japan, but it rediculos&Rude Japan claim S Korea and China claim okinawa

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    peanut666

    Okinawa has always and will always be a part of Japan. All that revisionist Chinese history crap doesn't mean a thing in today's world. Who cares if China wants it. If they want it, then the Chinese should declare war on Japan. Japan should shoot down, sink, torpedo, any foreign trespassers. It's that simple. China is a cowardly bully. Very similar to N.Korea. Lots of big talk will little action. Must be a communist thing.

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    lucabrasi

    Lots of big talk will little action. Must be a communist thing.

    Communism is an economic system which, apart from in the cases of a few "primitive" tribes has never been tried properly. It's got nothing to do with China's sabre-rattling idiocy.

    Would you say destabilising Latin American governments, from El Salvador to Chile to Cuba and invading Vietnam and Iraq "must be a capitalist thing"?

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    peanut666

    Would you say destabilising Latin American governments, from El Salvador to Chile to Cuba and invading Vietnam and Iraq "must be a capitalist thing"?

    Of course it is. That is why communism is so weak.

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