China strongly dissatisfied with Clinton's remarks on disputed islands

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  • -42

    kukuchai

    can somebody tell Clinton to keep her mouth shut!

  • -12

    Asianhometown

    I think she forgot to tell Abe to be open to talk with China to resolve the issue. Abe is the one who refuses to discuss the issue with china and to find a peaceful resolution. Until Abe decides to talk with China china will continue to go in and out round the island freely and Japan will not do anything about it. If Abe wants China to stop he needs to start talking with them rather than sending F15s.

  • -16

    davidake

    Asianhometown, you are 110% right. How is abe's trips around China going? Has he found any friend to support his agenda to circle China? I do not think so. He will come back with empty hand. Oh, no, he actually has given out a lot but in change he has not got any promise from any Southeasten country. What a pity.

  • 13

    Yubaru

    China is “strongly dissatisfied with and resolutely opposes” the remarks, Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in a statement on the ministry’s website.

    One word: Waaaaaaaa...........

  • 12

    ReformedBasher

    Suck it up China. Smart diplomacy by the US. (Not a citizen but I'd vote for Obama).

    With an announcement like this (the one by Clinton), I would not be surprised if trade with other Asian countries dramatically increases at China's expense. They only have themselves to blame.

  • -14

    Pukey2

    Why on Earth would China care what the US has to say? Only those who actually look up to the US or depend on the US would actually give a d*mn. The US government has a habit of changing sides when it realizes it's chosen the wrong ally. Witness - WWII China/Japan, Iraq/Iran, Taliban /Soviets, (North Africa remains to be seen) etc. It is in the interests of US that there is instability in East Asia - gives her the excuse to station troops there.

    I would not be surprised if trade with other Asian countries dramatically increases at China's expense.

    Which other Asian countries are you talking about? Because, apart from South Korea (who doesn't exactly have Japan on their buddy list) which has good infrastructure, a relatively sound economy and money-spending citizens, I can't see other country that offers the same as China at the moment. As the first few posters have said, would it do any harm to actually sit down and talk, instead or running around pretending you actually give a crap about your country.

  • 7

    Sentiments

    Interesting and revealing comments coming from China. The agony in the choice of words could easily be interpreted as if something important and already planned has been stopped by the US statement. Or it could be comments from a boy that got lectured by his parent to not bully the neighbors kid. I wonder...

  • -6

    cramp

    Fight!

    its fo realz now..

  • 12

    Herve Nmn L'Eisa

    "China strongly dissatisfied with Clinton's remarks on disputed islands"

    Japan(and US) strongly dissatisfied with China's aggressive actions against Japan's sovereignty over legitimately administered islands legally recognized as the Senkaku Islands.

  • 10

    cabadaje

    Why on Earth would China care what the US has to say?

    Because China is trying to become a global player, and the US is one of the big boys in the global arena.

    Only those who actually look up to the US or depend on the US would actually give a d*mn.

    In the global world, you don't get to be a player unless you can get along with all the other players. You are thinking in terms of a schoolyard, where you get to be the king of by being either the bully or the rebel without a cause (even in the playground, the lone wolf doesn't get to be on top. He just gets ignored). The global arena is more like a neighborhood, where grown-ups don't get to tell their neighbors they own a portion of their front lawn, nor do they get to ignore the neighborhood committee when it tells you the jungle you call your lawn needs to be mowed. The big boy world is a bit less exciting than the playground, but at least it recognizes that the biggest bully doesn't get to make the rules.

    The US government has a habit of changing sides when it realizes it's chosen the wrong ally.

    That's called intelligence. When you notice you do something wrong, or the person you associate with is screwing up and you can't get them under control, then the smart thing to do is cut them loose.

    It is in the interests of US that there is instability in East Asia - gives her the excuse to station troops there.

    You are confusing the effect with the cause. The troops are there because there is instability. If there were no instability, we would not need the troops there, and we would be able to save a ton of money by not having them there.

    Which other Asian countries are you talking about? Because, apart from South Korea (who doesn't exactly have Japan on their buddy list) which has good infrastructure, a relatively sound economy and money-spending citizens, I can't see other country that offers the same as China at the moment.

    Yes, at the moment. China was in the same place not many decades ago, and the only reason it has grown as an economy has been because of the foreign market. There are plenty of other countries who would be willing to be allies, if not friends, if they saw a similar potential for themselves. And don't think they aren't eying the possibilities that this conflict is producing.

    China does not currently have the stability or infrastructure to support its economy internally, not as it currently stands. Economic power is not merely about how much money one has or how much money one is owed. Yes, Japan and many other countries would suffer if trade was cut of from China. But, they would survive, and they would support each other, out of sheer necessity if nothing else. China, left to its own devices, would collapse economically in a catastrophic manner. Without foreign trade to keep the uneasy peace within the cities, the ridiculously huge wealth gap would become obscenely visible. We know from history what happens when such a wealth gap is combined with a restless populace deprived of distraction.

  • 8

    Farmboy

    China strongly dissatisfied...

    I'm sure she'll have trouble sleeping knowing that...

  • -13

    Pukey2

    In the global world, you don't get to be a player unless you can get along with all the other players.

    well then, why, as I've asked before, is Japan not sitting down and trying to discuss the problems with China instead of stirring up problems by letting a local demagogue who had no say in national politics bring up the issue of the islands and then by buying up the islands? Isn't Japan striving to STAY as a player?

    That's called intelligence. When you notice you do something wrong, or the person you associate with is screwing up and you can't get them under control, then the smart thing to do is cut them loose.

    Your statement would have more credibility if this happened once or twice, but this seems to be a habit. It'll be interesting to see if the Arab spring really is for the better, or whether things will get worse. The problem is the US is always thinking of how the situation will benefit her in the short-term (did I mention oil?) and is prepared to work with the lesser of two evils (eg Saddam and the war criminals of Japan).

    The troops are there because there is instability. If there were no instability, we would not need the troops there, and we would be able to save a ton of money by not having them there.

    You can save a ton of money by leaving NOW!

    Yes, Japan and many other countries would suffer if trade was cut of from China. But, they would survive

    Japan is just about surviving, if not struggling - and that's with trade with China. The rich tourists are (or were) bringing in a lot of money and Japan sells a large percentage of their cars in China. Who knows what would happen if all Sino-Japanese trade were to disappear. Forget about electronics - South Korea has that sewn up. I highly doubt manga, sushi and other cool Japan stuff will prop up the economy.

    Without foreign trade to keep the uneasy peace within the cities, the ridiculously huge wealth gap would become obscenely visible.

    The Chinese have always been keen traders and travelers. I think your worries should be directed more toward the insular nation of Japan.

  • -6

    Kent Mcgraw

    What Clinton says does not hold water. soon she is gone and another takes her place. John Kerry will not stand for anything or anyone. He is a self serving person and will sell out to the highest bidder. What Hillary says should not even be news.

  • -12

    Redcliff

    @ cabadaje

    ' You are confusing the effect with the cause. The troops are there because there are instability. If there were no instability we would not need the troop there'

    Cabadaje. You are the one that is confusing the effect with the cause. The American pivot to Asia is the cause that further create the instability in Asia. US troop has been stationed in Okinawa for years now and this has always been part of the factor that destabilized this part of the region, the recent US policy of pivoting to Asia had aggravated the situation further.

  • -6

    yosun

    Well, let's see what's next step Hillary Clinton can do/say besides shrugging her shoulder silently.

  • -9

    Redcliff

    @ cabadaje

    'China does not have the ......with a restless populace deprived of distraction'

    Your comment is very simplistic. This assumption of yours that all countries will stop trading with China therefore China will left on its own is an assumption to the extreme. Your comment that China does not have the infrastructure to support its domestic economy is a very subjective view. On what basis do you base this comment on? As to your comment that China currently do not have the stability would puzzle many foreign investors as firstly stability, security and infrastructure are the key requirements for investing in a country and most of these global entities viewed China favorably. Sound like you are spreading misinformation here.

  • 13

    lincolnman

    You are the one that is confusing the effect with the cause. The American pivot to Asia is the cause that further create the instability in Asia.

    The governments of Japan, the US, Australia, The Philippines, Vietnam, SKorea, Taiwan, Indonesia, Singapore, New Zealand, and Thailand do not share your view.

    China, NKorea, and perhaps Russia do - not very good company..............

  • 6

    hidingout

    @cabadaje

    The global arena is more like a neighborhood, where grown-ups don't get to tell their neighbors they own a portion of their front lawn

    China was in the same place not many decades ago, and the only reason it has grown as an economy has been because of the foreign market. There are plenty of other countries who would be willing to be allies, if not friends, if they saw a similar potential for themselves. And don't think they aren't eying the possibilities that this conflict is producing.

    China, left to its own devices, would collapse economically in a catastrophic manner. Without foreign trade to keep the uneasy peace within the cities, the ridiculously huge wealth gap would become obscenely visible. We know from history what happens when such a wealth gap is combined with a restless populace deprived of distraction.

    Excellent comments. One wonders why the communists haven't figured out how precarious their situation is and what they are risking just to salve their wounded pride.

    One word: Waaaaaaaa...........

    Yup. I can almost hear the weeping from here.

  • 6

    hatsoff

    I think she forgot to tell Abe to be open to talk with China to resolve the issue. Abe is the one who refuses to discuss the issue with china and to find a peaceful resolution.

    But what is there to discuss? If your neighbour ups and decides part of your back garden belongs to him and he makes a big noise about extending his fence to take in that area, what exactly are you going to sit down and negotiate?

  • 1

    CraigHicks

    Absolutely the right move for the US to make, and Hilary duly represented it. To do nothing would be to invite military intervention. Then the US would have to make a bigger course correction in mid crisis, and that could quickly lead to unlimited war. China currently presumes the US is asleep because it did nothing when China occupied the Panatag Shoal just 124 kilometers offshore of the Philippines. Hilary's announcement indicates a long overdue course correction.

    At the same time, Japan is mistaken not to admit a dispute and engage in dialog. "Admitting a dispute" means nothing other than saying that you respect the other party and are willing to use words instead of weapons. It is not a commitment to any particular outcome. Dialog may not prevent an armed conflict, but it should always be a first resort for civilized nations.

  • -6

    yosun

    hatsoff: If your neighbour ups and decides part of your back garden belongs to him and he makes a big noise about extending his fence to take in that area, what exactly are you going to sit down and negotiate?

    You can go to court(ICJ) to sue that neighbor! however, deeply in your mind you know actually your grandpa stole that area so you refuse to put the case in court.

  • 1

    jinjapan

    Boo Hoo .

  • 5

    ReformedBasher

    @Pukey

    Why on Earth would China care what the US has to say?

    If China doesn't care, then why are they complaining? I'm really looking forward to your answer to explain just how this works.

    Which other Asian countries are you talking about? Because, apart from South Korea (who doesn't exactly have Japan on their buddy list) which has good infrastructure, a relatively sound economy and money-spending citizens, I can't see other country that offers the same as China at the moment.

    Actually South Korea and Japan are not enemies. Despite the ongoing issue with Takeshima/Dokdo, the South Koreans are not rioting in the streets with the government's approval, like what was happening in China recently. (China's reaction, and you accuse the Japanese of not wanting to sit down and talk about it, while more and more Chinese ships and planes escalate tensions? Please explain just how this works)

    And South Korea does not covert any additional territory like China does. But other countries who want to expand trade with China? (Honestly, have you been in a coma for the last couple of weeks?) India, the Philippines, Vietnam amongst others, countries that incidentally have border disputes with China.

    Now that the US has warned China to butt out, other countries will take real notice. Companies are not going to invest in China just because it's fashionable. They will look for alternatives, and ASEAN countries will be glad to accept new business.

    Keep digging that hole China. Hopefully the Chinese people will revolt someday. I sincerely wish them the best of luck.

  • 8

    hatsoff

    yosun

    hatsoff: If your neighbour ups and decides part of your back garden belongs to him and he makes a big noise about extending his fence to take in that area, what exactly are you going to sit down and negotiate?

    You can go to court(ICJ) to sue that neighbor! however, deeply in your mind you know actually your grandpa stole that area so you refuse to put the case in court.

    Right. So we can expect China and Tibet to face off in court sometime soon, because that's a clearer case than the Senkaku Islands. It doesn't wash. China turned down the Senkaku Islands when Japan was kicked out of their country after WW2.

  • 3

    Sentiments

    It would be a wonderful thing if China and Japan could sit down and discuss what to do with the Islands on equal terms. But so far China has done nothing to support such action, nor to raise any kind of credibility for her self. Thats why Abes standpoint is the only working standpoint for Japan right now. The aggressive and rude attitude of China needs to be kept at bay until they reconsider their standpoint. Clintons statements could help teaching the Chinese some manners and eventually lead to real negotiations.

  • 0

    yosun

    @hatsoff: I don't want to waste time to discuss anything off topic like tibet or ryuku kingdom or native american... matters. My opinion is this matter is nothing to do with PRC because Japan returned Diaoyutai to Taiwan(ROC) after WWII due to Taipei treaty, witnessed by the US. Taiwan only let the US to temporarily administrate the islets due to cold war situation at that time, and later on the US let Japan temporarily administrate the same. But anyway, the sovereignty of the islets always belongs to Taiwan.

  • 1

    Crazedinjapan

    Why does anyone care about chinas bitching ?? Because that piece of paper they signed giving Japan ownership of the islands can't be ignored. Saying Japan doesn't want to have dialog ?? They did invite the big crybaby to discuss the ownership of the islands in international court. No country would so that if they knew they didn't have a chance at winning. China refused because they know the paperwork they signed has about as much chance in swaying to international courts in their favor as their whining will deter the USA from intervening if they so choose to.

    So.....these islands are off the aggressive table, Hawaii is of the table, Vietnam ,philippenes, Guam, indonisia, Taiwan ....all off the table.....anyone seeing a pattern here ?? This bully needs someone to stop them....USA is just in the position to do it.

  • 2

    nigelboy

    Yosun

    Treaty of Taipei in no way shape or form returned the Senkaku to ROC. There are no mention of it PERIOD. Furthermore, ROC, despite having an official Embassy in Washington DC at that time did not assert nor question the sovereignty of Senkaku. During that time, ROC also managed to produce maps recognizing Senkaku as part of Ryukyu with Japanese names. This was already discussed in abundance in related articles.

  • 3

    Kobuta Chan

    No one will bother by nosy dog if the dog was barking day and night. Communist leaders will never learn what is wrong and what is right. Only unity of US and its Asian alliances can stop colonizing Asia Pacific and South East Asia region. US and Japan friendship is most important thing for both countries. So Communist China needs to back off and go home.

  • 4

    hkitagawa

    It seems like a time bomb. Senkaku is not their real goal.

  • 6

    Matthew Simon

    All China is doing is seeing what they can get away with before someone pushes back. Thankfully Japan has been on the ball in this issue since they started their posturing. The US is merely backing up their ally and strengthening the statement. The past is full of examples of what happens when people take land that doesn't belong to them and what the result is.

  • 4

    lachance

    Hey, China, you don't like it? Stuff it. You want war? Come and get it. We've had enough of your bullsh*t. We're ready, willing and able.

  • 4

    lachance

    I've never been prouder of being American. Yaaaay, Hillary.

  • 2

    Eautaceux Janais

    The Chinese government bully others around and don't expect a statement like this? Too freakin' bad!

  • 1

    BradG91

    Chinese tried grabbing land from india but they fought back and china backed down. China tried to take land from a former ally vietnam but they fought back and china backed down. Push back against the chinese and they will go back into their little hole

  • 1

    mdepaiva

    China as always. "its my way or no way"

  • 5

    cabadaje

    @Pukey

    well then, why, as I've asked before, is Japan not sitting down and trying to discuss the problems with China instead of stirring up problems by letting a local demagogue who had no say in national politics bring up the issue of the islands and then by buying up the islands? Isn't Japan striving to STAY as a player?

    Japan isn't having a problem as a global player. It is playing it cool and mature, like an adult. It knows that the rest of the world recognizes the purchase of the islands from a Japanese citizen to the Japanese government as an attempt to keep the peace, regardless of China's attempts to paint it as a provocation.

    As for not discussing the issue, you can refer back to my neighborhood example. The ownership of my front lawn is not up for discussion. I am not going to give any such claims any sort of validity by acknowledging them, nor am I under any obligation to ask a court to decide on the issues. If China wants my land, China is welcome to go to court and demand they call me in for a discussion. China doesn't get to tell me that my ownership is in jeopardy because they believe my lawn is theirs.

    Your statement would have more credibility if this happened once or twice, but this seems to be a habit.

    Yes, most like to think of intelligence as a good habit to have. Being that no one has figured out a good way to either see into the future or read minds, we have to work with what we got.

    You can save a ton of money by leaving NOW!

    You are having a hard time with the whole Cause and Effect concept. Instability causes loss. Standing troops lessen and stabilize instability. Standing troops are less expensive than active troops engaged in combat.

    Take away the standing troops and the instability grows. Eventually, instability gets violent. Violence requires troops actively engaged in combat. Active troops are more expensive than standing troops.

    Really, that isn't something that should have to be explained...

    Japan is just about surviving, if not struggling - and that's with trade with China. The rich tourists are (or were) bringing in a lot of money and Japan sells a large percentage of their cars in China. Who knows what would happen if all Sino-Japanese trade were to disappear. Forget about electronics - South Korea has that sewn up. I highly doubt manga, sushi and other cool Japan stuff will prop up the economy.

    Japan is a decent ways above surviving. It's not doing fantastic, but then, no country is nowadays. Tourists visit stable places, and if China destabilizes, tourism drops (dramatically). What happens if Sino-Japanese trade disappears? Hate to break it to China, but they aren't the only buyers in the world. Indeed, it wouldn't be the first time allied countries purchased goods from each other for no reason other than support, even at a loss. Again, the key point is that new markets can be made, and indeed have to be made if an old market becomes unstable. That's basic business survival.

    The Chinese have always been keen traders and travelers. I think your worries should be directed more toward the insular nation of Japan.

    The Chinese were keen traders and travelers. Then, they decided that Communist politicians should control the market. As for Japan, I am a business instructor, so yes, I do worry about Japan, but the insular habits are a minor concern. They don't have a significant effect on the global marketplace, unlike China, which is poised to destroy several decades worth of economic credibility with its internal conflicts.

  • -4

    yosun

    @nigelboy:

    Sorry I don't agree with your points. Can you answer me 2 questions:

    1. Why the US never agreed that the sovereignty of Diaoyutai belongs to Japan even the US is japan's best friend?

    2. Why Japan refused to let ICJ judge who owns Diaoyutai?

  • 6

    cabadaje

    @ cabadaje

    Cabadaje. You are the one that is confusing the effect with the cause.

    "No, You!"...really?

    The American pivot to Asia is the cause that further create the instability in Asia. US troop has been stationed in Okinawa for years now and this has always been part of the factor that destabilized this part of the region, the recent US policy of pivoting to Asia had aggravated the situation further.

    I would submit that the region, particularly with respect to China, has been engaged in conflicts for much, much longer (on the order of millenia) than the presence of US troops. Indeed, I would be willing to say that history since the presence of US troops would show a dramatic decrease in the number of conflicts and a greater increase in the confidence of this region as a stable place to do business.

    Businesses didn't decide to invest in China on a whim, or because they decided to "Heck, let's just give them a chance, maybe they aren't as bad as all that!". Investing in a foreign market is risky enough on its own. Investing in a market that is already unstable is a fairly unwise thing to do. A market that has been stabilized (by force or any other means) merits attention, but if it shows an inability to remain that way if the stabilizer is removed then, again, the markets is not as attractive.

    Your comment is very simplistic.

    sigh

    This assumption of yours that all countries will stop trading with China therefore China will left on its own is an assumption to the extreme.

    Not that extreme, really. Certainly a worst case scenario, but hardly unthinkable. Global business is global business, and pretty much everyone is looking at the same or very similar factors. If one country decides China is an unattractive market, chances are pretty good that other countries are going to be seeing the same data, and are going to be reacting in similar ways. Additionally, the markets are influenced by the actions of others, so even if any one country is still willing to tough it out in China, the exodus of other countries may cause the to change their minds.

    Don't get me wrong, this isn't a prediction or an inevitability. This is simply an explanation of economic behaviour. It's just how the beast usually acts.

    Your comment that China does not have the infrastructure to support its domestic economy is a very subjective view. On what basis do you base this comment on?

    The geographic wealth distribution, the existing supply channels and their capacities, the general economic attitude and behaviour of a Communist population, the lack of flexibility of the administrating government, and the overall lack of a systematic, wide-ranging educational system that would encourage a free market system of ideas and individual growth.

    So, yes, it is a subjective view. But subjective is not synonymous with "guessing".

    As to your comment that China currently do not have the stability would puzzle many foreign investors as firstly stability, security and infrastructure are the key requirements for investing in a country and most of these global entities viewed China favorably.

    It does actually puzzle a few. Much the same way as when I tell them that the vaunted Chinese market of 1.3 billion people is really only about 300,000. There is a tendency to view economic power as a sort of single, homogenous, "thing", or attribute. It isn't, though. Economic power is basically little more than an umbrella term used to describe the confidence of others in a given market. As I previously mentioned, people didn't have a whole lot of confidence in China not many decades ago (some of us are old enough to remember what "Made in China" used to mean). But, with the stabilization of the region, the growth of infrastructure (such as it is), and the assumption of security (because one assumes that security is part and parcel of stabilization and growth), the market did merit attention. And, for many decades, the investment did seem to be paying off.

    Now, it was hardly a smooth growth, and certainly there was never a 100% commitment in confidence. There were more than a few bumps that made people question the stability (the government police force, the almost failed Olympics preparation, the rather tribal approach to intellectual property, etc) but these things happen. Growing pains.

    Eventually, though, you come to the realization that the golden child has become a spoiled brat. The security we thought protected everyone became a gang of thugs enforcing politics through violence and intimidation. The infrastructure grew ridiculously lopsided and top-heavy, focusing almost exclusively on the major cities where the wealth was congregated, fighting with competitors for the tiny market there, and being spread out thinly to the point of transparency over the immense rural areas where disposable income is simply not an existing concept. And the much-needed stability, the key ingredient, the keystone to economic success...suddenly we find ourselves wondering if the only thing keeping China from setting up shop in our front lawn is the troops that were keeping them from doing that exact same thing so many decades ago.

    Simply put, suddenly we realize that China really hasn't changed much at all. It's just gotten bigger. And if that's the case, and if China is not as stable as we thought, not as secure as we thought, and not as capable of being self-sustaining as we thought...then it may well be time to cut our losses.

    Sound like you are spreading misinformation here.

    You have your opinion, I have mine, which you have decided to label as misinformation. I am comfortable with my position, which is based on my direct experience in this specific field.

  • 4

    cabadaje

    Why the US never agreed that the sovereignty of Diaoyutai belongs to Japan even the US is japan's best friend?

    Because global politics and decision-making has nothing to do with friendship. It is about treaties, alliances, and interests.

    What an argument of convenience that is: The US makes no statement and it is considered a tacit disagreement. The US does make a statement and is accused of involvement and instigation. It's almost childish.

    Why Japan refused to let ICJ judge who owns Diaoyutai?

    Refused? When has it been offered? China has not made any request to the ICJ for judgement. As they are the claimants, the ball is in their court. Japan would be the defendant; defendants, by definition, aren't the ones who request court action.

  • -3

    lucabrasi

    The US makes no statement and it is considered a tacit disagreement. The US does make a statement and is accused of involvement and instigation.

    In other words, nobody can trust America when it comes to foreign policy. I wonder why that might be....

  • -5

    Flyfalcon

    Actually South Korea and Japan are not enemies.

    Neither they are beloved friends.

    And South Korea does not covert any additional territory like China does.

    Did should be more correct. US or Britain have never convert any additional territory like Japan did.

    They will look for alternatives, and ASEAN countries will be glad to accept new business.

    Asean combined markets and purchasing power are still smaller than PRC. New business will not be sustainable without stable supply chain and mass market.

    Because global politics and decision-making has nothing to do with friendship. It is about treaties, alliances, and interests.

    Singing treaties with US is unpredictable. Native American suffered the cruel fate when gold was discovered. Mexico and Spain also shared same fate of shrinking respective maps. Treaties are changeable whatever US wants.

    Alliance with US likes walking on the high rope. If the balance is lose and fall down, the consequence is unbearable. History has showed US is always fair weather friend.

    US interest is policing around and lecturing others. However they can not defeat the terrorists and eliminate the gun violence at home. No nation on that earth is perfect, orderly and law abiding as US. It is a very special land of free, proud and brave.

  • 2

    cabadaje

    Singing treaties with US is unpredictable. Native American suffered the cruel fate when gold was discovered. Mexico and Spain also shared same fate of shrinking respective maps. Treaties are changeable whatever US wants.

    Similarly, you shouldn't trust Jack, because when we were kids, he broke my bike and never got me another one.

    We live in a different era than before. Judging the America of today with examples of America in the 1700's is as silly as judging the Japan or China of today with their history from two centuries ago, which is just as silly as judging your adult friends by their actions as children. Everyone grows up.

    Alliance with US likes walking on the high rope. If the balance is lose and fall down, the consequence is unbearable. History has showed US is always fair weather friend.

    You could replace the "US" with any country in the world and that sentence would still be as vaguely accurate as any newspaper horoscope. There is a reason why the Forer Effect is used to deceive people.

    US interest is policing around and lecturing others.

    Again, problems with cause and effect.

    US interest is in keeping the US powerful. Currently, the best way to do that is by policing and lecturing others. Policing and lecturing are not goals in-and-of themselves.

    However they can not defeat the terrorists

    Not defeat, in the sense of removing their ability to strike, removing their ability to hide behind governments, getting them to the point that they are unable to carry out any major missions anywhere outside of any area they directly control, and isolate them into areas that they control only because we don't feel right about shooting the innocent civilians they are using as shields?

    Yeah, I guess you could still say we haven't defeated the terrorists.

    and eliminate the gun violence at home.

    Sure we can. All we have to do is abandon the constitution and the concept of personal rights, stampeded over anyone who disagrees, and take away all the weapons from anyone who isn't in the military.

    But that isn't the way grown-ups act.

    No nation on that earth is perfect, orderly and law abiding as US.

    Reminds me of a quote that was attributed to Benjamin Franklin, I think? Little fuzzy on the details...

    "The American government is the worst one in the world, except for all the others".

    It is a very special land of free, proud and brave.

    That I will agree with you on. A little too free to remember the weight of chains, a little too proud of their own pride, and a little too brave to understand that sometimes, bravery isn't what is needed.

    Fortunately, we are growing up.

  • 0

    Saul Schimek

    Some of us do remember our chains. And Never Forget who made them. While restraint is sometimes warrented, sometimes resistance is warrented to make the so called 'grownups' act like grownups.

  • -1

    flowers

    This is what Hillary Clinton said at the press conference, “And I reiterated, as I have to our Chinese friends, that we want to see China and Japan resolve this matter peacefully through dialogue, and we applaud the early steps taken by Prime Minister Abe’s government to reach out and begin discussions. We want to see the new leaders, both in Japan and in China, get off to a good start with each other in the interest of the security of the entire region”. So, now it’s from the big brother’s mouth, Japan can’t refuse to have a dialogue with China. Natsuo Yamaguchi, leader of the pacifistic New Komeito, said on Saturday night that he will take a handwritten letter from Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to Beijing. This is quite a show, even a dialogue has to be confirmed and a saving face comment about “the early steps taken by Abe’s govt to reach out and begin discussion”. Who doesn’t know that China has proposed such a talk with Japan since the beginning. Look like the existence of the dispute over the islands is undeniable.

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    bokuwamo

    Comment; Hillary Clinton was the wife of a president who receive a lot of attention because of her husbands actions while in the white house, end of story.

    Now, in recent years Hillary is some kind of world leader in international politics and has the abilities that has taken others many years of service in international politics to attain.

    That should be a story in the media, how Hillary has attained all these abilities to be involved in world politics.

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    Zenpun

    Everyone grows up.

    Clinton got a life threatening blood clot and she has been discharged from hospital recently. According the medical staff, she is becoming confused and demented. Some of over 65s have become childish due to brain degeneration. Her foreign policy will become flip-flop too. Sadly she is no longer grown up Clinton. I wish her happy retirement.

    But that isn't the way grown-ups act.

    Let 's kindergarten kids to die more! Rights to bear the arms should be prioritized instead of rights to grown up!

    The American government is the worst one in the world, except for all the others.

    For civilians deaths and Amputee of friendly fire, it is undeniable. No other excuse will bring back them as past. Imagine it is you or your relative! Are they animals?

    Fortunately, we are growing up.

    Are you serious? Life is a cycle. Like Clinton, we will get old. When we are old, we will get second childhood due to neurological degeneration. We will become kids again.

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    Tiger_In_The_Hermitage

    cabadaje @ China just saved US from financial armagedon and you think they don't have the infra to stabalise economy.

    Hilary should put more time looking after Bill, keep Bill's friend where its suppose to be. I wonder why Hilary didn't peacfully resolve the BinLaden, afterall they just went into Pakistan and shot him in the head when he was cooking a Nissan cup noodle.

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    cabadaje

    Clinton got a life threatening blood clot and she has been discharged from hospital recently. According the medical staff, she is becoming confused and demented. Some of over 65s have become childish due to brain degeneration. Her foreign policy will become flip-flop too. Sadly she is no longer grown up Clinton. I wish her happy retirement.

    Irrelevant to the comment response.

    Let 's kindergarten kids to die more! Rights to bear the arms should be prioritized instead of rights to grown up!

    Misleading to the point of outright deception regarding the comment made.

    For civilians deaths and Amputee of friendly fire, it is undeniable. No other excuse will bring back them as past. Imagine it is you or your relative! Are they animals?

    Utterly ridiculous. You are saying that the are more civilian deaths and amputations (the hell?) in the US than in Nigeria? Uganda? Damn, you live in a rosy little bubble.

    Are you serious? Life is a cycle. Like Clinton, we will get old. When we are old, we will get second childhood due to neurological degeneration. We will become kids again.

    Fortunately, countries take much longer to mature than people. Indeed, some people never seem to get all the way there.

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    cabadaje

    China just saved US from financial armagedon and you think they don't have the infra to stabalise economy.

    Correct. China's economic might doesn't come from internal purchasing. It is almost entirely reliant on foreign exports.

    Hilary should put more time looking after Bill, keep Bill's friend where its suppose to be. I wonder why Hilary didn't peacfully resolve the BinLaden, afterall they just went into Pakistan and shot him in the head when he was cooking a Nissan cup noodle.

    Attempting to mock someone as incompetent fails completely when the mockery itself has little reason or wit to support it.

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    highball7

    The more interesting point is when and how will the US greet Abe. What does the US think of him? If the US feels that Abe is more of a troublemaker instead of playing his role as US's staunch ally, there could be complication for Abe's political future. We all know what the US wants in the region, peace and stability and most importantly status quo.

    If US sees Japan as a instigator and troublemaker, not just in regional security but also its monetary policy of artificial depreciation of the yen, it could sway the US further away from Japan. At least to the point where it could stay neutral instead of backing Japan like what a normal ally should do.

    Look at the new cabinet and advisers to Obama's 2nd term, these guys are doves. Not hawks. And the focus cannot be more clear that their personnel and focus is all about the economy and reduction of the budget deficit. They already cut significant defense spending, you think they want anyone, in particular Japan to start fires in the pacific? I doubt it.

    My guess is if Japan doesn't send someone to re-do an accord officially or unofficially with China, the US might give Abe the cold shoulder and most certainly Abe won't survive his term. The fear is Abe might do something even more nationalistic and send out the wrong message. But who other than Abe himself can reconcile such grievances?

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    Zenpun

    Irrelevant to the comment response.

    You posted as

    which is just as silly as judging your adult friends by their actions as children. Everyone grows up.

    I replied as Clinton immaturity as Secretary of States. When I refer to other poster flowers post and article, she is flip-flopping her speech for different host. It is not the sensible way of fully grown up. Her job is not pleasing anyone. She has to stand for what she said.

    In the perfect world, Everyone grows up. Not in the real world.

    Misleading to the point of outright deception regarding the comment made.

    Sure we can. All we have to do is abandon the constitution and the concept of personal rights, stampeded over anyone who disagrees, and take away all the weapons from anyone who isn't in the military.

    I replied as

    Let 's kindergarten kids to die more! Rights to bear the arms should be prioritized instead of rights to grown up!

    You concern more about constitutional rights over public safety. You concern more about individual freedom over kids rights of growing up peacefully. I do not think it was a deception.

    But that isn't the way grown-ups act

    The question is Will that murderer act according your grown-up acts? Their minds are full of childhood fantasy and adventure. They will act schools and cinemas as their childhood play ground for shooting.

    Utterly ridiculous. You are saying that the are more civilian deaths and amputations (the hell?) in the US than in Nigeria? Uganda? Damn, you live in a rosy little bubble.

    What I am referring was collateral damage of wiping out single militant with excessive force. Missile is unnecessary for wiping out one person. In the most cases, authority blamed intelligence failure. No one is accountable for their war crimes.

    countries take much longer to mature than people

    The poorer the country the longer to mature people. Such as Congo and Zimbabwe.

    Indeed, some people never seem to get all the way there.

    Maturity is not uniform. Individual progress is different. Human can not be forced to mature. It is delicate as growing plants for using right soil, climate and nutrients.

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    lostrune2

    “We urge the U.S. side to treat the issue of the Diaoyu islands with a responsible attitude,” Qin said,

    Hey, the U.S. isn't the one sending boats and planes out there everyday.

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    7solace9

    As far as I understand, there is nothing inconsistent in Mrs. Clinton's words. The US will not involve itself with who ultimately gets the islands, but would support Japan against any first strike by anyone as usual. Find a peaceful resolution to the present situation, such as an agreement for mutual development or a decision by the ICJ, and let the islands sit in the meantime; no military.

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    Zenpun

    In the first post of reply to Fly was

    Everyone grows up.

    In the second post of conclusion,

    Some people never seen to grow up.

    Therefore you have two version of growth theory as Clinton two version of speech. I am not sure which version is your real belief.

    Anyway I respect your vision of heal the world with maturity. Let's the doves fly over sky. All parties of conflict have to grow up now.

  • -1

    Bruce Miller

    Poor Japan caught between China and the U.S.A. playing "Good Cop, Bad Cop" . Remember: Obama needs long term low rate loans to kick the American debt down the road for the next 4 years!

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