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Israeli defense minister seeks tighter sanctions against Iran

Politics Feb. 19, 2012 - 06:45AM JST ( 22 )

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Ehud Barak speaks at a recent security conference in Herzliya, north of Tel Aviv

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NeverSubmitFeb. 19, 2012 - 08:35AM JST

Why can Israel openly discuss attacking another sovereign state without outrage from the UN.

Doesn't the UN charter strictly forbid a military attack of one country against another?
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VicMOsakaFeb. 19, 2012 - 10:08AM JST

Tell Israel to take a hike. Israel is the biggest threat to world peace. When are they going to let the IAEA inspectors check out their nuclear facilities ?
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smithinjapanFeb. 19, 2012 - 12:26PM JST

I can just see Japan's response:

"We agree with you 100%, and we support you, but do you mind if only Japan is exempt from backing up our words with action? You see, we support you but we also don't want to cut our oil dependency on Iran, so please don't punish Japan".
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just-a-bigguyFeb. 19, 2012 - 07:03PM JST

Otherwise they are going to use nuclear arsenals for pre-emtive strikes Iran?
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Chaz EdFeb. 20, 2012 - 02:39AM JST

From what I understand, I'm with VicMosaka on this one! What about the Palestinians? Is that the way they rule people! I see a world conflict in the near future! Fasten your seat belts!
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zichiFeb. 20, 2012 - 02:58AM JST

Iran exports 20% of its oil to the EU which the news has stated will stop which will put pressure on stocks and prices.
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Ben_JackinoffFeb. 20, 2012 - 04:08PM JST

Israel is the biggest threat to world peace

Name one time Israel has ever threatened to destroy another country. Even if Israel did not exist, the problem with Iran would still exist.
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NovenachamaFeb. 20, 2012 - 08:53PM JST

Sanctions seeking to conform political behavior usually, almost universally, don't work. The underlying principal assumes that the offending country will be damaged economically and therefore politically from the sanctions. Often the leader of the offending country in this case Iran, don't care because they can always depend on secondary markets of China and or Russia to provide for their temporal needs. Therefore the burden of most sanctions are borne by the poorest citizens and as many dictators prove through their economic policies and human rights violation, the poor members of their societies are not their priority. There can also be many economic sanctions imposed by the international community violated by a single or a group of countries, either for the economic or political reasons. This can be completely defeating as it alleviates much of the pressure felt by the regime meant to bear the burden. Hence even tax havens, secrecy jurisdictions, and banking secrecy enable many countries to circumvent financial sanctions. Again, it's debatable whether this idea behind these restrictions of sanctions will harm and pressure the country into compiling with international or bilateral will. But it also doesn't mean they cannot be useful tools in international cooperation and diplomacy when they are used appropriately with international consensus.
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kurisupisuFeb. 21, 2012 - 05:24AM JST

Ehud Barack and others have forgotten that the state of Israel has attacked Americans (US Liberty et al)Lebanese,Gazans,Egyptians and many others

History is replete with examples.....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarsinvolvingIsrael

Regarding Iran:

the IAEA has found no evidence that Iran is making or intends to make nuclear weapons.

The right to develop nuclear technology is a right not a crime.

In fact, Iran is a signatory to a non proliferation treaty that seeks to prevent WMDs.

Somehow Israel has neglected to sign the same treaty as Iran.

Israel already has plenty of WMDs-this might be a reason?

Israel is threatening a first strike on Iran on what premise?

There isn't one.

I can only conclude,as there is plenty of evidence to show hat the powers that control the state of Israel are belligerent and war mongering.
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Ben_JackinoffFeb. 21, 2012 - 07:24AM JST

Ehud Barack and others have forgotten that the state of Israel has attacked Americans (US Liberty et al)

Accidents during a war for the life of Israel do not count. Neither do your others. All happened after Israel was threatened with certain attack of being attacked first. Do not threaten or attack and there will be no problems.

the IAEA has found no evidence that Iran is making or intends to make nuclear weapons.

Hard to find evidence when Iran has stonewalled investigations by the IAEA, as the IAEA have stated themselves on several occasions.

In fact, Iran is a signatory to a non proliferation treaty that seeks to prevent WMDs.

Precisely why they also agreed to clear and complete inspections by the IAEA. They have been stonewalling according to the IAEA.

Somehow Israel has neglected to sign the same treaty as Iran.

So, they have nothing to do with it, then. Why bring it up. Iran did make a promise and has been breaking it.

Israel is threatening a strike because Iran has been threatening its existence for quite some time both in words and actions, supporting Hamas and Hezbollah in their stated goal of destroying Israel. Iran also has been thwarting attempts by the IAEA to accertain whether their program is in fact only for peaceful purposes. If Iran came out on the side of peace, stopped threatening Israel and supporting those who are actively trying to destroy it and let the IAEA have the complete access to their facilities that the IAEA has long been asking for, there would be no threats or sanctions on Iran and they could have all the peaceful energy they claim they want.
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EuphoriaFeb. 21, 2012 - 11:09AM JST

Personally I think Iran is not at fault. No proofs of nuclear weapons as of now. Can't get into war with a country just because they may have nuclear weapons or because they have the ability to build nuclear weapons. Don't want a war similar to that of Iraq war. I really can't imagine the trauma that has to be faced by children in either countries in case of war. Hope it doesn't get to that. My prayers.
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Ben_JackinoffFeb. 21, 2012 - 11:15AM JST

Personally I think Iran is not at fault. No proofs of nuclear weapons as of now.

Actually, Iran is very much at fault. They have not made an honest attempt to cooperate with the IAEA and the IAEA has said so on numerous occasions. So, of course it would be hard to get concrete proof of anything. Iran has been offered very sweet deals in which they could produce all the peaceful nuclear power they want as long as they submit to clear and transparent inspections. They refuse.

I don't think there should be any invasions or anything like that. The world does not need it. However, neither does the world need another country with power issues having the potential to build nuclear weapons.
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CletusFeb. 21, 2012 - 11:23AM JST

Ben_Jackinoff

Actually, Iran is very much at fault. They have not made an honest attempt to cooperate with the IAEA and the IAEA has said so on numerous occasions.

So the US and Israel say that Iran is bad and you agree. Didnt they say a similar thing about Iraq and use that as an excuse to invade. You are singling out Iran here and saying they are bad and should be punished for not cooperating yet one of the main instigators of the finger point Israel has done and continues to do the same. All the while having a huge stockpile of nukes already built. A little hypocritical. Oh l know your response will be in true Israel loving for "but who has Israel threatened". YAWN getting tired Ben if thats your best comeback.

So, of course it would be hard to get concrete proof of anything. Iran has been offered very sweet deals in which they could produce all the peaceful nuclear power they want as long as they submit to clear and transparent inspections. They refuse.

As does Israel but you believe them....

I don't think there should be any invasions or anything like that. The world does not need it. However, neither does the world need another country with power issues having the potential to build nuclear weapons.

So what would you suggest then if you dont support military action?
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CletusFeb. 21, 2012 - 11:50AM JST

Grouchy Gaijin

Cletus, Iraq WAS bad. It was a brutal, horrid dicatatorship. Iraq had in fact ALREADY used weapons of mass destruction, both against other countries and against its own citizens.

Yes Iraq HAD in the past used WMD's but the argument for invasion was that they still HAD them. If you want to be pedantic the US has used WMD's in the past does that mean they will use them again. The fact is Little Georgie wanted to finish what daddy didnt and show what a big man he was. And WMD's where a good excuse to do it. As for Iraq being a brutal dictatorship there are many of them around the world and l dont see the US invading and toppling them heck some are even allies.

Israel needs to do whatever is necessary to survive. It is surrounded by enemies, countries that want to destroy it, countries that don't even recognize its existence. I feel sorry for Israel. It's been attacked and persecuted and threatened literally since the day it was founded. Actually, I admire Israel's restraint.

Ah so its ok for Israel to do one thing but not ok for others. So Israel can secretly build and stockpile nukes but if another nations tries then Israel can threaten them with military action. So who there is being the protagonist?
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Ben_JackinoffFeb. 21, 2012 - 12:19PM JST

Cletus,

It is not only the US and Israel. My main focus is the IAEA and their reactions. They have said Iran has not been transparent and cooperative. The IAEA has never been a friend to either Israel or the US. This is especially true in Israel's case. Are you claiming bias on the part of the IAEA? Iran has threatened another nation and supports violence against another nation actively supporting groups that want to destroy that nation. I would think North Korea would be a good lesson in what happens when dangerous countries are allowed to aquire nuclear weapons. However, I guess when that dangerous country is an enemy of Israel, it is okay. Right? Personally, I think enough dangerous countries have this extremely dangerous tech and I don't want to see anymore get it if there is something that can be done about it. Even more frustrating is that Iran joined the NPT and agreed to IEAE oversight, but has failed to follow through. Israel has nothing to do with this. These decisions have been Iran's alone to make. Even if you want to hate or blame Israel until the cows come home, it does not change this.

BTW, I did not say I completely rule out miltary action. I clearly said I do not support an invasion on Iran or anything similar to that. I assumed most people could tell the difference between the two.
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lostrune2Feb. 21, 2012 - 01:51PM JST

If Iran develops nukes, Saudi Arabia would also get/buy nukes, and Israel would officially have nukes. Then nobody could no longer invade Israel since Israel could openly threaten them with nukes for retaliation. (Basically they'll say, they will release all their nukes if the destruction of Israel is imminent.)
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GurukunFeb. 21, 2012 - 01:58PM JST

Hard to believe Religion started in this area of the world.....now nukes are required to preserve the 'holy land?'
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Lazzaris AlbertoFeb. 21, 2012 - 07:49PM JST

The funny is that US, the only country in the world to kill civilians with nuclear bomb, want to rule other countries, point out the terrorists. And the other countries on the side of US, are the same countries that are responsible for the economic collapse. And about Israel, they are just doing what religious governments does: Kill to control.

I am not saying that Iran is not developing nuclear bombs, I just think that is not US business what other nations does.
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SuperLibFeb. 27, 2012 - 05:00AM JST

NeverSubmit: Why can Israel openly discuss attacking another sovereign state without outrage from the UN.

We're still trying to figure out why Iran can order rocket attacks all over Israel and have people worried that Israel is "discussing" an attack.
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SuperLibFeb. 27, 2012 - 05:06AM JST

Cletus: So the US and Israel say that Iran is bad and you agree.

Yep. Just the US and Israel.