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  • 15

    Tamarama

    I think they should. Because, at that point China really has nowhere to go, and their lying and disingenousness will be in plain sight for all to see.

  • 2

    Tamarama

    Thats 'disingenuousness'

  • 7

    OssanAmerica

    I am sure the data has already been shared with the USN and is available to any of the allies so the important aspect is over, But China's standard "deny deny deny" approach and belief that the whole world is stupid enough to buy their constant lies is getting real old.

  • 5

    Yubaru

    This would be news if a decision had been made and the information accompanied it, just writing about speculation or what they think they might do is a waste of time and an act of the media trying to find any story to justify their existence.

  • 0

    iWorld

    Japan's Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera alledged China used "fire-control radar, or radar for (weapons) firing." So, how can Japan prove that China used those radar and not any other radar?

  • 2

    Alejandro Dela Cruz

    @iWorld because obviously it would rang a bell inside the ship saying "warning warning, Poop incoming"... tut tut tut

  • 6

    rogoteye

    So, how can Japan prove that China used those radar and not any other radar?

    Because they have different frequencies.

  • -3

    smithinjapan

    I meant to comment on the news article yesterday that talked about the 'propaganda war' over the radar lock, and was going to say it was pretty ridiculous that China was using the issue as propaganda at all since clearly they were in the wrong there, but now I'm reading that Japan has not even proven it happened? By the way everyone I talked to and the media were carrying on yesterday you would have thought they had been personally locked on by China themselves!

    Now I can understand how it's just he said/she said, and there is absolutely no reason why Japan should hold back on this if it in fact really happened and they have the proof. I mean, why wouldn't they? Until then there is room for doubt -- or at least, no one can say it happened with 100% conviction.

  • 3

    smithinjapan

    To add... Japan has nothing to lose by releasing the proof, and it would be a good way to stick it to China and prove to the world what they say is true. If they do not it seems proof they are lying about the issue.

  • -2

    iWorld

    Because they have different frequencies.

    Does all all countries uses the same frequency for fire-control/firing radars and and none weapon firing radar?

    Or does Japan knows all the frequency ranges for every type of radar China uses?

  • 4

    Chamkun

    iWorld

    Do not worry. It will show China is producing a deception to their people and the world. For the locking system they used has a very specific high frequency and wave form.

  • 2

    axle14

    As some posters here are concerned about time JP is taking too long to show the evidence, no worries folks those evidences are time stamped. What you should worry about is what PRC is going to retaliate in regards to that evidence and how are the results will be justified in the eyes of the world. True or false, someone has got to do a "dogesa"! A sincere pride-crashing apology accompanied by a promise to "NOT" to make the world any worser anymore than a sulfuric smog.

  • 3

    OssanAmerica

    smithinjapanFeb. 09, 2013 - 03:56PM JST By the way everyone I talked to and the media were carrying on yesterday you would have thought they had been >personally locked on by China themselves!

    All those people don't want to see China start a war,even a limited one. It will involve far more countries than Japan and will be no good for anyone. People are angry at China's behavior and want it to stop constantly escalating the issues. I hope you can understand that.

  • 0

    OssanAmerica

    smithinjapanFeb. 09, 2013 - 03:56PM JST By the way everyone I talked to and the media were carrying on yesterday you would have thought they had been >personally locked on by China themselves!

    All those people don't want to see China start a war,even a limited one. It will involve far more countries than Japan and will be no good for anyone. People are angry at China's behavior and want it to stop constantly escalating the issues. I hope you can understand that.

  • 4

    SushiSake3

    Smith - "and there is absolutely no reason why Japan should hold back on this if it in fact really happened and they have the proof. I mean, why wouldn't they."

    I'm a bit surprised you said that.

    As Axle implied, we need to consider what China will do.

    China is a 'shame' nation like Japan; - face, and saving, it is hugely important.

    If Japan releases this evidence that paints China as holding the blood-splattered knife over the dead body - so to speak - there could be real consequences.

    JGov should b commended for being cautious here, knowing what they know about the Chinese gov and its behavior.

  • 4

    OssanAmerica

    Patrick SmashFeb. 09, 2013 - 03:23PM JST Just release the date. If China are lying about this incident, we should all know they are. The longer it takes, the more >suspicion there will be that Japanese evidence is doctored. Honestly, the ssoner the better.

    While Japan should expose as much as possible tp the whole world they obviously don't want to give away any technical secrets. Not to mention that China's global credibility at this point is down to about zero.anyway.

  • -8

    tian4670

    It is claimed to be a 'always-on alert' radar, not from fire control system.

  • -7

    yosun

    I don't know who is right is this case, however, as Japan Defense Minister, Itsunori talked like a crying baby, it seems it's the end of world, He's only reminding the world again that JP can't handle international matters without the US's help.

  • 12

    CGB Spender

    Next move: China will simply claim that the evidence is fabricated and the world must believe it, or else...!

  • -1

    Dog

    OssanAmericaFeb. 09, 2013 - 04:51PM JST

    While Japan should expose as much as possible tp the whole world they obviously don't want to give away any technical secrets.

    Not much of a technical secret. Radar lock-on detection technology has been around since the late 70's.

    Not to mention that China's global credibility at this point is down to about zero.anyway.

    Not with me it isn't. Russia and China seem to be getting on OK. South Korea and China seem to be at a very fruitful stage of their relationship. The only north east Asian country who seems to have a problem with all 3 of them is Japan.

  • 0

    neobios

    I do not think It's easy to prove and China can even accuse Japan back of fabricating and producing fake evidence as it's not simple as detecting "finger prints" and such if you know what I mean.

    If Japan produce some photograph and data showing a unique frequency as well identify its weapon systems, how can it prove it's China's fire control radar and not someone else? How can Japan prove the evidence is not tampered?

    Now I would not judge immediately but let's say China did use fire control radar, they would still deny it cause pretty much likely they are confident in countering Japan's evidence and if Japan is not careful it might even backfire instead.

    For now let us wait and see the evidence but like I said they need way more than data and photos to reveal China's trickery.

  • -4

    spudman

    Itsunori talked like a crying baby, it seems it's the end of world, He's only reminding the world again that JP can't handle international matters without the US's help.

    Well when check book diplomacy fails Japan is high and dry cause there really is nothing left in Japan's diplomatic arsenal. Japan has always relied on money buying political friendships and as it's economic influence diminishes it will need to resort to saber rattling, of course all the while hiding behind America's bloated military. Trouble is China is funding the US military at the moment. Who really needs who more? Sensible heads needed here on all sides especially the US's as they call the shots.

  • 1

    SamuraiBlue

    neobios

    For now let us wait and see the evidence but like I said they need way more than data and photos to reveal China's trickery.

    Not neccessary. International diplomacy is not a blame game. If PRC denies the evidence Japan releases then that is that. At least this may calm the actual conflict on the high sea.

  • -7

    Ewan Huzarmy

    They should have released said evidence, as soon as the story broke , they have no excuses.

  • 3

    globalwatcher

    Ewan HuzarmyFeb. 09, 2013 - 06:17PM JST

    They should have released said evidence, as soon as the story broke , they have no excuses.

    Strategically Japan did not want to disclose this evidence when the story broke.

  • 0

    Shumatsu_Samurai

    They should have released said evidence, as soon as the story broke , they have no excuses.

    But you don't know what the evidence is. It could contain classified material - e.g. information on how the Japanese ship detected the lock-on and therefore how its own sensors work/are calibrated.

    And as someone else said, the Chinese authorities are all about face. Being proven liars won't make them humble, it will make them angrier. Do you really want to see that?

  • -2

    Shumatsu_Samurai

    You people have a programmed answer to everything. the Chinese authorities are all about face

    So what do YOU think will happen if Japan publishes the evidence? Will China apologise?

  • 4

    rogoteye

    Just like the boat collision in 2010, even with evidence China will deny it ever happened. Then they will criticize Japan for not admitting what they did in WWII :)

  • -5

    Ewan Huzarmy

    I don't want myself or my kids to die over some stupid bloody rocks !

  • 3

    bajhista65

    Japan considers disclosing evidence on China radar lock

    Stop Lips Service..... just disclose it instead of considering.

  • 3

    onedragon

    Just do it already.

  • 3

    technosphere

    Does all all countries uses the same frequency for fire-control/firing radars and and none weapon firing radar?

    There are enough specialists in armed forces of many countries who study and analyze various types of radars, specifics of their work in various modes and can determine what frequency is used. As it has been said before, technical devices on japanese ships detected a beam of combat fire control radar.

    Or does Japan knows all the frequency ranges for every type of radar China uses?

    For specialists of armed forces , it is quite easy task.

  • -4

    tian4670

    @technosphere

    The technical details of radar systems are regarded as top secret by each countries. Those of Chinese are not even available to US after many years of surveillance, let alone Japan.

  • -11

    BertieWooster

    Who cares whether China put a radar lock on a Japanese ship or not?

    Stop the hissy fit, Japan.

    You guys need to talk.

  • -8

    BertieWooster

    "Miss! Miss! China put a radar lock on us! They did! Really! I can prove it!"

  • 1

    Seiharinokaze

    Maybe the naval officers of the frigate were provoked by what Asahi had reported on Jan.16 that Japan would fire warning-shots on Chinese incursions, though Japan's Defense Minister didn't use any such specific words as "fire warning shots" in his press conference. And they set their sights on a Japanese frigate to see what would happen. That is perhaps what happened in the East China Sea later in January just at a time when the Komeito leader visited China and handed a personal letter from Prime Minister Abe to the Chinese president. So probably Beijing didn't know anything at the time and the politburo might be even split on whether or not they should admit the frigate's misconduct. Not sure about their power relationship backstage but Beijing might want to have more control of the Navy which seems to be more bellicose with Japan. So Abe had better make out with whom to pull his punches even if he has a hard evidence.

  • 4

    toguro

    "Who cares whether China put a radar lock on a Japanese ship or not?

    Stop the hissy fit, Japan.

    You guys need to talk."

    @BertieWooster:

    I agree with you that they need to talk, but to insist that Japan is throwing a "hissy fit" or that the matter isn't serious, couldn't be further from the truth. When you've locked radar on a ship, aircraft, etc, you could basically destroy that target with the launch of a missle, or even guns. Say Japan had taken defensive meassures, up to and including firing because they felt they were about to be fired upon? I think this could hardly be considered a "hissy fit". Especially with what's going on between the two countries currently.

  • 2

    technosphere

    The technical details of radar systems are regarded as top secret by each countries

    Range of frequences of work of a typical combat fire-control radar is well-known and not a matter of "top secret".

  • 0

    hkitagawa

    Next time better to disclose it first, then announce it on the news.

  • -1

    JoeBigs

    It doesn't matter if the Japanese governemt has a smoking gun, the PRC would still lie.

    The PRC has never met a truth that they will not try and destroy.

    The PRC is the greatest threat to world peace.

  • 1

    T_rexmaxytime

    Is China going to say " It's photoshopped..." next ?

  • -6

    BertieWooster

    toguro-san,

    By "hissy-fit" I was referring to the way Abe is refusing to confront the situation by denying that a situation exists. I'm not an expert on the Senkaku/Diauyo issue by any means, but I've read enough to see that both Japan and China have claims on these islands. And, like a child who throws a hissy-fit when another child has something he wants, screaming, "It's mine, it's mine!" isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

    China wants to talk.

    I think they should.

  • -10

    BertieWooster

    JoeBigs,

    The PRC is the greatest threat to world peace.

    No. China is far from perfect, but they don't start illegal wars at the drop of a hat, or train terrorists to fight wars for them.

    But we know who does, don't we?

  • 6

    Steve Fabricant

    I think both countries should declare war on the next news outlet that says, "....known as Senkaku in Tokyo and Diaoyu by Beijing". Enough already... I get it.

  • 2

    SamuraiBlue

    I believe the Japanese ship would have provided a live satellite telemetry feed to both Japan and the US military HQ through link 11/14.

  • 3

    toguro

    @BertieWooster:

    Hai wakaru. In that sense I understand completely and totally agree with you.

  • 1

    Jay Que

    Put these CCP liars on the worlds docket and expose the truth concerning this act of warfare. These CCP idiots, rights after 9-11 hit NYC and I personally witnessed the death of my two friends (John William Perry and Michel P. Colbert) they "demanded concrete proof"... unforgivable. Put the evidence of this tricky lying calculated threat against Americas best friend Japan before the world to see the truth behind the lies of the Chinese CCP menace. Only a free and democratic China will bring peace and stability to world relations. We must help the billions of ordinary Chinese get their rights, a truly free press, elected representatives, good peaceful relations. Push for Peace, stop trading with the CCP enemy.

  • -5

    Tony Ew

    I think Japan is misleading the public again and again! Why don't Japan report the ship is about 100 km from the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands PASSING THROUGH? Why don't Japan also report she have the home ground advantage to harass the Chinese frigate? I am sure Japan will be very tame if there is no 'backup naval and air bases' nearby to conduct this mischief, like 3 km from the Chinese navy ship! THIS IS HARASSMENT as done by the helicopter before.

    So will Abe release THE FULL SCENARIO how many Japanese navy ships nearby? How many aircraft, helicopters nearby to harass the Chinese ship, sink it at a moment's notice due to overwhelming force? THIS IS HIGH SEAS "TERRORISM" DONE BY THE JAPANESE and nobody seems to notice?

    Abe can release the radar lock, but please don't give us half a loaf. We demand THE FULL PICTURE!

  • 2

    yosun

    Probably the US has protected JP too good so even a JP Defense Minister can't handle such a simple international matter, he is too nervous and quick-tempered. The reason why I said he can't handle it well because he didn't solve any problem and only caused it worse, definitely china won't apologize and on the contrary china will surely keep sending ships to Diaoyutai islets and JP can do nothing again, all the world will keep LOL at Abe and his team! A real politician can solve problem and should not be acting like child.

  • 3

    m6bob

    Remember that it is the Communist Party that is in charge & such people are capable of lying even to their own people. Therefore you will read many knee-jerk comments from ordinary Chinese around the world but sadly they have been deceived by their own communist government.

  • 1

    25psot

    This means China never will attack first but seek ways to provoke Japan to do so...

  • 0

    SloanAkira

    @BertieWooster:

    The PRC is the greatest threat to world peace.

    No. China is far from perfect, but they don't start illegal wars at the drop of a hat, or train terrorists to fight wars for them. But we know who does, don't we?

    Oh please. Just admit they have no balls, illegal or legal. Since China is in its militant state, are you embarrassed that China constantly fails to engage wars? They have nothing to write here in their war-like pride. They're even embarrassed about the US driving the Japanese out their land during WWII.

  • -6

    Tony Ew

    @Tony Ew

    If so, Chines government will show the evidence how Japanese destroyer harass Chinese frigate.

    You said "I am sure". lol

    Non-expert like you shouldn't make conclusion without evidence.

    Do you realise average anti ship missiles have 200 km range? The Chinese frigate is in the vicinity of the Japanese navy and air bases and it is very easy for the Japanese 'backup ships' just sitting in the port to fire massive amount of missiles to sink this Chinese frigate. So you understand, this is a SET UP BY THE JAPANESE! Either way China lose, first in this public relation deception by Abe, or in actual battle this Chinese frigate lose too due to overwhelming Japanese fire power nearby. Very clever Japanese trick!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type90Ship-to-Ship_Missile

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type88Surface-to-Ship_Missile

  • 1

    axle14

    @Tony

    So it's like saying that you pointed a gun in my face because I set you up to do so, is that it?

  • 1

    axle14

    ****in my backyard!

  • 2

    mktn8

    @Tony Ew

    According to your opinion, to prevent this kind of conflict, battle ship must have space 200km each other. lol

  • 0

    globalwatcher

    http://english.people.com.cn/90883/8126957.html

    China will not admit their wrong doing as we speculated. This is dated Feb 9, 2013.

    Japan needs to disclose this evidence to the world now how China is not willing to take responsibility and accountability for their own wrong actions. China wants to start war.

  • 4

    kaimycahl

    Wow I read all the comments believe there are no winners or losers here but what one must understand is the respect for each others opinion if I may add my opinion here I would like to say that the one percent that is in control of the world loves to see the mad confusion they have caused through mass media its all mind control the battle is not the issue it involves mind control and the manipulation of people thought to divert their attention away from something big that has yet to come. So in other words the fight over words here is no different than the issue itself the key is mad confusion amongst the readers all over to accomplish a different goal as people we have different opinions and cultures different languages different thought processes but we all share one thing in life and that is life itself the key is to misinform people us little people so that we can carry out that one percent plan and that is to become dumb down and be their robots through mind control then fight their wars while they continue to stay in control until us little people wake up and realized we have been fooled by then it will be to late because it will be a power struggle now its the people against the one percent who do you think will win they will be aide is little people have been dumb down by the very same issues we are discussing today we will lose because of the lack of knowledge not because of the will to fight but because of the will to think logically as one ok that my opinion

  • -3

    Tony Ew

    @mktn8Feb. 10, 2013 - 01:14AM JST

    @Tony Ew

    Wow, you have rich imagination!

    According to your opinion, to prevent this kind of conflict, battle ship must have space 200km each other. lol

    Boy, people should wake up to the serious danger of anti ship missiles! A SHIP CANNOT EVADE A MISSILE LIKE A FIGHTER JET! SO YOU NEED MORE DISTANCE TO LAUNCH A COUNTER ATTACK FIRST IF RADAR LOCKED OR DEFENSIVE SYSTEMS TO COUNTER THE POTENTIAL ATTACK!

    The first layer of antimissile defense by a modern, fully equipped aircraft carrier task force is always the long-range missile-carrying fighter planes of the aircraft carrier itself. Several fighters are kept on combat air patrol (CAP) 24 hours a day, seven days a week when at sea, ... These fighters patrol up to hundreds of miles away from the Aircraft Carrier Task Force and they are equipped with excellent airborne radar systems. When spotting an approaching aircraft on a threatening flight profile, it is the responsibility of the CAP to intercept it before any missile is launched. ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile

    As you can see, it is not my wild imagination. It is real world danger for the Chinese frigate passing through the Japanese area using this aircraft carrier defense strategy as an example.

  • 1

    T-Mack

    Is this the first time Japan has ever been painted with radar lock? Show your proof , then what? This problem seem's to be growing fast...China may be aiming a weapon right now at Japan...? Provoke Japan, Unleash the furry of the USA...How far is China going to take this? As a Native American I know what it feels like to have your native lands taken from you, and can feel what Japan is going through. We did not fight hard enough and now we have lost our way of life, our culture, our religion, our land. Don't let this happen to Jappan... It's eigher Fight or Flight, no two other way's about it.

  • 2

    OssanAmerica

    DogFeb. 09, 2013 - 05:02PM JST "OssanAmericaFeb. 09, 2013 - 04:51PM JST While Japan should expose as much as possible tp the whole world they obviously don't want to give away any technical secrets. "

    Not much of a technical secret. Radar lock-on detection technology has been around since the late 70's.

    tian4670Feb. 09, 2013 - 09:05PM JST The technical details of radar systems are regarded as top secret by each countries. Those of Chinese are not even >available to US after many years of surveillance, let alone Japan.

    So which is it? 50 centers need to get their story together.

  • 1

    OssanAmerica

    DogFeb. 09, 2013 - 05:02PM JST "OssanAmericaFeb. 09, 2013 - 04:51PM JST While Japan should expose as much as possible tp the whole world they obviously don't want to give away any technical secrets. "

    Not much of a technical secret. Radar lock-on detection technology has been around since the late 70's.

    tian4670Feb. 09, 2013 - 09:05PM JST The technical details of radar systems are regarded as top secret by each countries. Those of Chinese are not even >available to US after many years of surveillance, let alone Japan.

    So which is it?

  • 2

    BertieWooster

    Jay Que,

    Only a free and democratic China will bring peace and stability to world relations.

    You mean like the "free and democratic" U.S.A. that thinks it's OK to send drones to kill people without a fair trial?

    We must help the billions of ordinary Chinese get their rights, a truly free press, elected representatives, good peaceful relations.

    Again, you could say the same for the States. Someone should help the U.S.A. establish a truly free press, elected representatives who represent the people rather than business interests and conduct good peaceful relations instead of the dog's breakfast that the Middle East has become.

    Push for Peace, stop trading with the CCP enemy.

    Now, let's see. You say you want peace, but you label China as the enemy.

    Hmmmm.

  • -2

    jake123

    stop stringing us along, tell us what you got on China, the longer J-govt drags its feet, the worse it looks for J-govt

  • -5

    jake123

    Abe caught in a big lie

  • -2

    jake123

    an accusation without proof is NOT acceptable, abe, the clock is ticking

  • 2

    Kazuaki Shimazaki

    My view: 1st, I agree that not provoking China's "face-saving response" is one solution, and indeed likely have been the chosen one if DPJ was still in power. But they clearly aren't going down that route.

    2nd, having decided to try to get the gain they could by accusing China, they should have just thrown out the evidence. Both the cut and the navigational tracks of both sides. Nothing would prevent China from insisting the evidence was fabricated, but what is important is how the world sees it. The more Japan delays, the more people China can convince Japan used the time to tweak the evidence.

    It seems that there is substantial resistance in their Defence Ministry to releasing data because it could compromise technical methods. Like many people here, I agree with "Oh please." I mean if it is a very distant intercept you might not have wanted China to know, but as I understand it the distances were in kilometers...

    If the Defence Ministry's misguided intransigence causes the Chinese to launch a successful propaganda counteroffensive, then this defeat is their fault.

  • -3

    BertieWooster

    Kazuaki Shimazaki-san,

    Honestly, I don't think it much matters whether China put a radar lock on the Japanese ship or not. Nothing happened. No one was hurt. Except pride perhaps.

    And pride and arrogance is about as welcome in negotiations as a dead cat at a wedding.

    Abe needs to pull his head out of the sand and meet with Chinese representatives to resolve this problem.

    If he can't do that, he has no place being at the helm.

  • 0

    smithinjapan

    OssanAmerica: "All those people don't want to see China start a war,even a limited one."

    On the contrary -- the people going around spouting that this is fact without a shred of proof because the government won't provide any are not people who want to avoid conflict at all. Those are people that are spreading the bombast, and some of them said flat out to me they WANT war with China (no joke... they also love Ishihara, btw)! Now, what SushiSake said, on the other hand, makes sense -- if it is merely because they don't want to rub it in China's face and force them as a result to lose face, then I can see it to an extent. But saying the people who are treating this as fact without proof are those people that don't want to see a war is ludicrous -- if they don't want to see a war they'd be taking even what their own government says with a grain of salt, instead of trying to increase tensions further.

  • 5

    smithinjapan

    JoeBigs: "It doesn't matter if the Japanese governemt has a smoking gun, the PRC would still lie."

    What smoking gun? They have yet to prove a thing. And yet you're here talking about 'smashing truths' and 'telling lies'.

  • -2

    Tony Ew

    @Kazuaki ShimazakiFeb. 10, 2013 - 10:46AM JST

    My view: 1st, I agree that not provoking China's "face-saving response" is one solution, and indeed likely have been the chosen one if DPJ was still in power. But they clearly aren't going down that route.

    2nd, having decided to try to get the gain they could by accusing China, they should have just thrown out the evidence. Both the cut and the navigational tracks of both sides. Nothing would prevent China from insisting the evidence was fabricated, but what is important is how the world sees it. The more Japan delays, the more people China can convince Japan used the time to tweak the evidence.

    It seems that there is substantial resistance in their Defence Ministry to releasing data because it could compromise technical methods. Like many people here, I agree with "Oh please." I mean if it is a very distant intercept you might not have wanted China to know, but as I understand it the distances were in kilometers...

    If the Defence Ministry's misguided intransigence causes the Chinese to launch a successful propaganda counteroffensive, then this defeat is their fault.

    The longer this drag out, the more people realise Japan SOUNDBITE 'DANGEROUS' 'Technology' to HOODWINK the world is starting to get exposed! So Abe is now feeling the heat and TAKES HIS TIME to release DOCTORED radar lock evidence!

    As a casual observer, I must think something is FISHY here! WILL ABE DARE TO LET THE UN DO AN INDEPENDENT FORENSIC ANALYSIS OF THE WHOLE PICTURE? Radar lock, how many Japanese navy ships nearby, how many Japanese military jets and helicopters nearby, how many Japanese Anti Ship Land Missiles nearby? REMEMBER THIS IS ONLY ABOUT 100 KM away from the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands AND THERE ARE LOTS OF JAPANESE MILITARY ASSETS NEARBY! Each missile can travel about 200 km, so the Chinese ship is very very vulnerable passing through that area, AND CAN BE HIT IN PERHAPS 5-10 MIN! JAPAN IS TRYING TO INTIMIDATE CHINA with a 3 km navy ship nearby to SET UP China to RESPOND! So even if radar lock is proven, JAPAN WILL BE CAUGHT PLAYING THIS DIRTY GAME OF INTIMIDATION that requires the Chinese ship to issue a WARNING radar lock!

  • 0

    toguro

    "Abe needs to pull his head out of the sand and meet with Chinese representatives to resolve this problem.

    If he can't do that, he has no place being at the helm."

    @BertieWooster:

    But if there is clear evidence that a Chinese Naval ship did lock radar on JMSDF ship(s), and the Chinese insist that they didn't, nor have any clue about it, then exactly what is Abe expected to do from the Japanese side, in trying to resolve a problem that is most likely there, where the Chinese insist there isn't? Should they just agree to disagree, until the next time China does something just as provocative or worse?

  • 1

    OssanAmerica

    smithinjapanFEB. 10, 2013 - 05:29PM JST OssanAmerica: "All those people don't want to see China start a war,even a limited one." On the contrary -- the people going around spouting that this is fact without a shred of proof because the >government >won't provide any are not people who want to avoid conflict at all. Those are people that are spreading >the bombast, >and some of them said flat out to me they WANT war with China (no joke... they also love Ishihara, >btw)!

    Sorry smith but 99.99999% of Japanese don;t want was. Their refusal to dump Article 9 for all these decades is proof. I have yet to see ANY country as highly anti-war as Japan. And how one feels about the former Tokyo mayor Ishihara is irrelevant. In order to accept your above statement all the people you know would have to be driving around in blacl trucks.. I'm sure that's not the case.

    Now, what SushiSake said, on the other hand, makes sense -- if it is merely because they don't want to rub it in >China's face and force them as a result to lose face, then I can see it to an extent. But saying the people who are >treating this as fact without proof are those people that don't want to see a war is ludicrous -- if they don't want to see >a war they'd be taking even what their own government says with a grain of salt, instead of trying to increase >tensions further.

    Nothing ludicrous smith. Japanese people don't want war and they know the JSDF can not "fire first". They don't like China continuously escalating the Senkaku issue and are afraid that China, which has no restraints on firing first, will start a war. They aren't increasing tensions further, only China is doing that.

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    Shuami

    As people usually say--if history is of any indication... Please read the Wiki on the following 2 historical incidents:

    Mukden Incident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukden_Incident

    Marco Polo Bridge Incident: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MarcoPoloBridgeincident#TheIncident

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    BertieWooster

    OssanAmerica,

    Sorry smith but 99.99999% of Japanese don't want wars.

    It's true. They don't.

    Well, there are those who do. The nutjobs who march up and down outside Shinjuku Station or cruise the town blaring out "Pachinko Songs" from their tannoy trucks. And there is Ishihara. Oh, and Abe, of course, though I think if there were any confrontation, he might get a sudden attack of the tummywobbles and abdicate.

    They are very few, but they are noisy. And someone might be forgiven for mistaking this noise for a large group of people.

    And then you have the media who would like us to think that China is the yellow peril, trying to take over the world (sounds of maniacal laughter off-stage).

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    OssanAmerica

    BertieWoosterFEB. 11, 2013 - 10:48PM JST "OssanAmerica, Sorry smith but 99.99999% of Japanese don't want wars."

    It's true. They don't Well, there are those who do. The nutjobs who march up and down outside Shinjuku Station or cruise the town >blaring out "Pachinko Songs" from their tannoy trucks. And there is Ishihara. Oh, and Abe, of course, though I think if >there were any confrontation, he might get a sudden attack of the tummywobbles and abdicate.

    The annoying idiots in the black trucks are an insignificant number, who, like the mulkiple neo-nazi groups in Germany have little real influence on government policies.. This is in contrast to the tens or possibly hundreds of millions of Chinese who are "nationalists" made worse by the hawks in the Chinese military. The right wing in Japan as stupid as they may be are are ar cry from being a threat to Asian and global peace and stability. The sa,me cannot be said for China. As a result, any kind of comparison would require an individual to be unfamliar with the concepts of "numbers"and perspective,

    And then you have the media who would like us to think that China is the yellow peril, trying to take over the world (sounds of maniacal laughter off-stage).

    The "Yellow Peril" is an old severely racist driven notion that covers everything from the Mongol invasions of Europe, Chinese immigration to the United States, the rise of the Japanese Empire, etc. However, today's global concern about China (PRC) is not abouty race but about a one party authoritarian government that has shifted from communism to nationalism and is therefore displaying signs of fascism. There are tons of people in Hong Kong and Taiwan who, while ethnically Chinese, are against the Chinese government. Your comparison is way off.

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    Konsta

    When the data are going to be publicly released?

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    Shuami

    When the data are going to be publicly released?

    Apparently not in the near, or distant future, or in all likelihood--never!

    See the news on Japan Daily Press: Defense minister retreats from plans of releasing data on China’s radar lock http://japandailypress.com/defense-minister-retreats-from-plans-of-releasing-data-on-chinas-radar-lock-1223135

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    Hansaram

    That's good to hear and I fully support it. Would like to see those Chinese politicians face when those evidence are revealed and how they react.

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    nanashi1234

    It seems none has so far suspected possibility of America playing an important (crucial?) role in Japan's delay/reluctance in releasing the evidence.

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    smithinjapan

    Japan has stated it refuses to release proof that anything happened, which is a pretty clear indication they have lied. Saddest part is how quickly people here jump on the bandwagon to defend something without proof but condemn those who point that out. But hey, if I'm wrong, fell free to prove it. :)

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    smithinjapan

    Ossan: "The annoying idiots in the black trucks are an insignificant number..."

    In terms of the total population, for sure, but when 100% of that insignificant number turn out to vote for their vested interest while only 20% or less of the rest of the population don't know who to vote for or what to do (they haven't been told) they DO hold reasonable sway over the politicians. You can continue to deny it and deflect all you want, blaming China for this and South Korea for that while Japan is the innocent victim, but it's more than clear Abe is pandering to the right-wingers, some of whom... yes... want war.

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