S Korea creating task force to defend claim to islets

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minkaboo at 03:37 AM JST - 31st July

JoeBigs:

I love your self-serving mentality: Prove it that it's yours and until then, it's mine!!!

History proves that the island belongs to Korea. When you have a chance to use your fingers, try google searching "dokdo island" and see for yourself what comes up. In case your fingers were too lazy to move, see below. Stop fabricating history, it's becoming old.

"The first historical references to the island were cited in Korean documents, which make reference to them as a part of an independent island state known as "Usankuk" (Ullung Island) which was incorporated into the Korean Shilla Dynasty in 512 AD. " http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/page4.html

http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-Objections.html
nipponlove at 07:17 AM JST - 31st July

JoeBigs, can you be diplomatic with bullies? Have you tried and was it successful? Your are not talking out of your brain but more out of your buttocks.
minkaboo at 08:40 AM JST - 31st July

The whole internet says that Dokdo belongs to Korea, so where do you even get that the island belongs to Japan? Because it was annexed in 1905? Japan looks like nothing more than aggressors once again. Why don't you guys work on what your good at, producing magic perms and new orange hairdyes, and give up now?
minkaboo at 08:48 AM JST - 31st July

hermitage:

You make a good point about govt using this issue as political tool but it goes both way. And that doesn't address the fact that Japan is claiming that the island is theirs, wrote it in the school textbooks, and got the US to water-down the ownership in the internet. Seems to me that Japan wants the island and is doing it in stealthy secretive manner. The Japanese govt is making it very easy for politicians of all countries to inflame passions.
JoeBigs at 11:23 AM JST - 31st July

nipponlove at 07:17 AM JST - 31st July JoeBigs, can you be diplomatic with bullies? Have you tried and was it successful? Your are not talking out of your brain but more out of your buttocks.

I could not agree with you more, I am so glad that a Korean also see the facts for what they are. Korea has been trying to be a bully and it needs to stop. If it come down to it you sometimes need to push that bully back and even fight him or her. In this case the bully is Korea. Thank you, nipponlove a Korean who really gets it!

minkaboo at 08:40 AM JST - 31st July The whole internet says that Dokdo belongs to Korea, so where do you even get that the island belongs to Japan? Because it was annexed in 1905? Japan looks like nothing more than aggressors once again. Why don't you guys work on what your good at, producing magic perms and new orange hairdyes, and give up now?

LOL, as argued many times before you jumped in, the Islands that the Korean records claim are not Takeshima but in fact are Ulleung-do. Koreans can not accept this fact because there is more at stake than just a few rocks.

Since 1954 Japan has asked Korea to take this dispute to the International Court of Justice so it be resolved once and for all. But Korea will not because it claims that it does not have to prove anything.

But the fact stands that if the records are looked at by an impartial court, Korea will lose. The Korean`s and their government know this and that is why they fear taking this dispute before the Courts.

minkaboo at 03:37 AM JST - 31st July History proves that the island belongs to Korea. When you have a chance to use your fingers, try google searching "dokdo island" and see for yourself what comes up. In case your fingers were too lazy to move, see below. Stop fabricating history, it's becoming old.

Funny thing, I did do just as you asked, and guess what? More web pages say that Japan is right than say Korea is. Thank you for the idea there, it worked to tell the truth about Takeshima.

http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/page4.html

Gee I wonder what the nationality of the owner of this page is? hm let me guess, German? Please if your going to bring an argument to the table dont present tainted facts. Bring something more than a web page says they belong to Korea so they have to be Korean.

Here let me help you out since you like web pages so much, here is the Japanese facts of your tale.

http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/position.html

This one talks about the ERRORS made by Koreans and Europeans. Wow could it be, Korean maps from way back when were not talking about takeshima but were referencing Ulleung-do island? Say it is not so Bob!

http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/recognition.html

Why is Korea scared to take it to the Courts? This would end this argument and if your records are so correct then take it to court, you can not lose, right?
HansePark at 03:18 PM JST - 31st July

Seriously..almost every Japanese, American, Chinese, European or anyone else from a first world nation with whom I have spoken hardly even knows what Dokdo is. The few who do consider Dokdo as an island used for collecting bird crap. They think about it as much as they think about what the weather is like in Borneo.

However, almost every single Korean I have met, from 5 year old Kindergarten children to the local garbage man to every single working businessman in Korea, thinks of Dokdo 24/7 and considers it something equivalent to the Korean version of the Holy Land. Koreans will lose sleep over it and pull their hair out 24 hours/day, 7 days a week constantly watching the internet to see if the wind direction has changed on Dokdo.

LOL...so funny how skewed the attitudes of Koreans are from the rest of the world.
Zen_Builder at 03:24 PM JST - 31st July

Hansepark.

I agree it is NOT an issue outside Korea or the guys that want get involved in it like JT.
nandakandamanda at 03:45 PM JST - 31st July

minkaboo. Thanks, but it doesn't matter any more. They created a govt cabinet 'task force'.

...but since then SK have actually, unbelievably, and stupidly sent a real naval task force, the worst possible provocative act. If it wasn't so sad, it would be quite funny.
nipponlove at 04:25 PM JST - 31st July

nandakdamanda, OMG, what are you talking about? "Worst possible provocative act" Please, provide your explanation as to why it is.
nandakandamanda at 05:17 PM JST - 31st July

If you don't understand, nipponlove, then I don't think you will listen to me this time either.

Here goes nothing...

I will say it again, s.l.o.w.l.y. There is a small but growing body of opinion that would like to change Japan's constitution to allow the existence of a proper army, navy and air force, not just the severely limited so-called 'Self Defense Forces'.

If you are truly a lover of Nippon, as your handle suggests, then you would wish Korea to be a little bit more diplomatic. No need to push these islands daily onto the Japanese television screens. You would not wish to encourage a re-emergence of a strong right wing, would you? Unless you are a Japanese right-winger yourself.
JoeBigs at 07:00 PM JST - 31st July

Did some call for the removal of article 9 of the Japanese Constitution? If the did I second that motion!!!!!! Please keep this issue in the news! Btw maybe some more protest and burning of Japanese flags would not hurt. Removal of article 9 will be the best thing to happen to Japan.

I think that this little Korean display of non-diplomacy may push it to reality! So by all means Korea, keep up your non compliance.

Just a right wing supporter asking for more Korean help with this issue. Thank you for all you have done for now.waves
minkaboo at 12:39 AM JST - 1st August

JoeBigs, I don't see why Koreans have to share or defend themselves in court when the island is clearly theirs. Given the Japanese govt's records, you could understand if people act a bit emotionally but if they don't defend what's theirs, who will? Yes, they're protesting and are emotional but it's called, freedom of speech. No, this is not calculated to help/hurt your right wing agendas. No one cares about it except what's the truth. Truth always prevails.
nipponlove at 05:02 AM JST - 1st August

The way Japan claims about the islets is as ridiculous and insane as if a strange man suddenly shows up and proclaims that he is the real husband of your wife. Japan can brainwash their kids with false information and spread lies but Korea won't let you get away with it. You can count on it.
JoeBigs at 10:25 AM JST - 1st August

minkaboo JoeBigs, I don't see why Koreans have to share or defend themselves in court when the island is clearly theirs.

Of course you would say that, that is what I would expect you to say. If you can not win why would you even think of taking it to a court? You would have to be insane to do this. See every thing is very simple, the Korean occupation of Takeshima is illegal and you know it that is why your nation will not take it to court.

Given the Japanese govt's records, you could understand if people act a bit emotionally but if they don't defend what's theirs, who will?

The reaction is expected, as stated before if you are wrong then you get angry and cry, scream, yell, make threats. This is nothing new for Korea, every time Japan asserts her right Korea screams foul.

In all Koreans eyes Japan has to be a servant to Korea. But that is wrong and I believe it is about time that the Japanese government stood up and said enough is enough.

Believe me I was stunned when the Japanese PM showed a back bone on this issue.

nipponlove at 05:02 AM JST - 1st August The way Japan claims about the islets is as ridiculous and insane as if a strange man suddenly shows up and proclaims that he is the real husband of your wife

Actually Japan has been making this claim for more years than you may know. I understand that your history books are a bit skewed to the facts of the region so I will not come at you too hard.

BTW how many times have you made such an odd statement? Think I saw that one before........

I think the removal of article 9 from the Japanese Constitution will go along way in correcting some attitudes in the region.
dogbert at 03:11 PM JST - 1st August

JoeBigs, can you be diplomatic with bullies? Have you tried and was it successful?

No you cannot. That's why it is impossible to use mature rational discussion with Korea. It is only possible to communicate with Koreans using their style of debate...screaming and yelling and burning their national flag.