S Korea rejects Japan's proposal for talks

Thursday 17th July, 03:50 PM JST

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bibric at 09:51 PM JST - 20th July
*Seiharinokaze *
1. In my opinion, your main point is "Korea really ruled or recognized Takeshima as part of its own territory during the Tokugawa period before 1905 when Dakeshima was part of Sinemanhyun".
2. The answer is "Yes". In 1900, Korean Imperial Decree 41 announced that Dokdo belongs to Korean territory. The decree was issued in the governmental newspaper for the international recognition. You can see the Decree 41 in red in the following website:
http://blog.daum.net/doksoori/1969864?nil_profile=tot&srchid=IIMrj9VH00
1. In addition to the Korean Decree, the 1905 Japanese announcement of Dokdo was illegal. The Japanese people in the Sinemahyun already recognized that it belonged to Korean territory. See the website: Illegality of Japanese 1905 Dokdo Announcement.
http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-expansionism-politics.html
bibric at 10:00 PM JST - 20th July

*ecodrive *

I understand your passion on this issue and other historical injustices, that Japan committed in colonial period and in cold war period. Yet, bringing some convincing evidence would be better than just mocking them. Study hard!
RepublicofTexas at 12:41 AM JST - 21st July

in cold war period

I would like to know what injustices the Japanese committed during the Cold War period other than serving as the US's aircraft carrier in the defense of South Korea.
Seiharinokaze at 01:14 AM JST - 21st July

bibric

In addition to the Korean Decree, the 1905 Japanese announcement of Dokdo was illegal. The Japanese people in the Sinemahyun already recognized that it belonged to Korean territory. See the website: Illegality of Japanese 1905 Dokdo Announcement. http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-expansionism-politics.html

Please let me know in which part of the web site you mentioned the Japanese people in Shimane prefecture had already recognized that Takeshima belonged to Korean territory?

The Korean imperial ordinance of 1900 didn't announce that Dokdo belonged to Korean territory. It declared Ulleungdo 鬱陵島, Chikdo 竹島 and Sokdo 石島 belonged to Ganwondo of Korea without any geographical specification. Chikdo could be interpreted as the nearby islet to the east of Ulleungo since the islet used to be called by the name 竹嶋. But it is not clear where Sokto 石島 was located. I may ask in the similar critical logic why there was no mention of Liancourt Rocks in the ordinance too?

Now, don't you think all this is already something of international dispute?
nigelboy at 09:10 AM JST - 21st July

Bottom line.

Korea doesn't have any maps or documents describing the location of current Takeshima/Dokdo before Japan's incorporation 1905. They simply didn't know about it.
ecodrive at 12:40 PM JST - 21st July

nigelboy, Korea has tons of maps and old records to prove Dokdo belongs to Korea and that's undisputable. Japan must realize playing their childish textbook game with false information won't do a damn good.
RepublicofTexas at 12:50 PM JST - 21st July

ecodrive,

There are just as many maps proving the islands belong to Japan. Nice try though.
JoeBigs at 05:49 PM JST - 21st July

Ok, so why wont Korea have talks with Japan over the Islands? Hell this can easily be resolved if Korea accepts Japan request to go to UN Arbitration?

hmm wonder why the Koreans wont go? Hmmm wonder wonder why, hmm could it be that they dont have a leg to stand on? Hell if your case was/is so strong why not go?

Now anyone of the Korean supporters care to tell us what the difference between the Ulreungdo and Takeshima Islands?

Also which map can you produce claiming that the island in your old (Old meaning ancient time not 1900) charts was not Ulreungdo rather than Takeshima?

Please I would love to see this map that shows both islands in your old charts.
bibric at 12:24 AM JST - 22nd July

Seiharinokaze According to the interpretation of the governmental declaration, Sokdo 石島 is "Dokdo" since at the time since Liancourt Rocks is identical to Sokdo. Nice talking with you!
Seiharinokaze at 02:29 AM JST - 22nd July

bibric

Your logic is A is B because C is A without actually mentioning C in the original proposition. Perhaps I better desist from asking anymore how identical to Liancourt Rocks the islet called Sokdo was and why you ceased to call it by the name that was formally announced by the ordinance. Nice talking to you too.
nigelboy at 08:03 AM JST - 22nd July

nigelboy, Korea has tons of maps and old records to prove Dokdo belongs to Korea and that's undisputable. Japan must realize playing their childish textbook game with false information won't do a damn good.

False. Korea has no maps/documents of such sort regarding Liancourt Rocks prior to 1905. The maps/documents that you refer to are all relating to Ulleungdo and her nearby islets one of which is Jukdo. Korean maps are simply, a joke. They could not even get the position of Ulleungdo and Jukdo correctly let alone Liancourt Rocks.
hermitage at 02:40 PM JST - 22nd July

It's nonsense that S. Korea that criticizes Japan's dictatorship during the wartime of WWII does not critically evaluate S. Korea's own history in the 1940s and 50s, mainly what 李承晩（Syngman Rhee）did, and how good the President used to be.

Japan already proposed to discuss the issue of Takeshima/Dodko at ICJ decades ago.
genjuro at 02:51 PM JST - 22nd July

Now I have a question? Will Koreans ever get over the past? Hmmm because by the replies here none of the Korean supports can come up with any good reason why should Korea not negotiate. All you guys keep bring up is a 60 year old war...

No wonder you guys will stay in the shadow of Japan for another 60 years.

You've hit the nail on the head. You're dealing with Koreans, a people with an illogical, emotional culture that not only has not grown up but has remained backward and undeveloped. ecodrive's comment is like that of a little kid who keeps saying "but he hit me first!" when asked to make up with his sibling. This is the kind of emotional, immature thinking non-Koreans have to deal with. Frankly I think 60 years is not enough; another 100 years is more like it.

False. Korea has no maps/documents of such sort regarding Liancourt Rocks prior to 1905. The maps/documents that you refer to are all relating to Ulleungdo and her nearby islets one of which is Jukdo. Korean maps are simply, a joke. They could not even get the position of Ulleungdo and Jukdo correctly let alone Liancourt Rocks.

It's funny they keep rehashing the same thing over and over again. Here's something simple to think about: there are Japanese AS WELL AS American, British, and German maps from the 19th Century that indicate that the Liancourt Rocks belong to Japan.

http://dokdo-or-takeshima.blogspot.com/2008/07/instant-history-of-liancourt-rocks-for.html

So for all of you Koreans and pro-Korea people who think otherwise, simply produce Korean, American, British, and German maps that indicate those islets belong to Korea. If you can do that I'll jump on your bandwagon faster than you can say "Cho Seung-hui." I'll be waiting.
hermitage at 09:12 AM JST - 23rd July

genjuro is correct. Japan already insisted on her rights about the island, when 李承晩(Syngman Rhee) drew his arbitrary, selfish territory line called Rhee Syngman's Line, and annexed Takeshima to S. Korea. Since then, Japan has proposed to solve the issue at ICJ.

I can understand S. Korea has her different idea about the island. Also, I can understand their anti-Japan sentiment that often surfaces (I'm not a supporter of the historical revisionists trying to justify Japan's bad conducts in the past).

Still, I wish S. Korean people understand the simple fact mentioned above, and I wish them to look at the reality not a fiction.
JoeBigs at 10:14 AM JST - 24th July

choseunghui, you sir are corrrrect! The Korean and Korean supporters in this issue are irrational a petty. The bring up some of the oddest thing to complain about but never bring facts to back them up.

Got to wonder about the Korean school system when they teach their kids all about the wonders of the Korean war machine. But I digress and please forgive me.