U.S. lawmakers visit 'comfort women' memorial in New Jersey

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    smithinjapan

    Hope no Japanese lawmakers find this 'regrettable', and if they do I hope they know to thank Hashimoto in part for the backlash.

  • -10

    gokai_wo_maneku

    The Japanese government can't do anything about the comfort women. The treaty signed between Japan and S. Korea explicitly says that ALL issues stemming from the war are completely resolved. Neither side can reopen issues are add new issues. Then a few years later, the forced prostitution issue came up, but the Japanese government can't do anything under the terms of the treaty. It is in the treaty. That is why a private fund was set up by sympathetic Japanese people. Money can't come from the Japanese government according to the treaty, signed incidently by the father of the current president of Korea. She must know that.

  • 3

    bruinfan

    How much money was set up in the private compensation fund? Just curious...

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    Ron Barnes

    Probably not much money set aside at the time for Compensation............ No amount of money Will ever compensate these Women for the foul treatment given to them by their captors. Blaming all sides is not a way to treat this problem that should not happen. Japan should have supplied its own Geisha girls for the luxury of their keep an monetary compensation for their duties.. To suggest the rape of young girls by many men that should have known better should not have ever happened. They would not liked if it was their daughters or wives that this happened to . The more that is said by the deniers the bigger the problem will come again. Their would not be that many of these ladies still alive now therefore they should receive assistance in their upkeep in old age would be the best outcome Japan could offer and save a little face at the same time. Hashmoto should have a gag placed on him with regard to this matter to prevent it getting any worse than it already is.

  • -9

    gokai_wo_maneku

    @Dog What are you talking about? Please read the treaty. There is an English version on the net. Japan paid S. Korea a TRILLION yen over 10 years following the provisions of the treaty. And the treaty says all issues are settled. Why has S. Korea never suggested reviewing the treaty? Park Chung Hee used the money meant to pay individuals who suffered under Japanese repression to modernize Korea. And Japan can't choose who to deal with.

  • -1

    LAcajun

    I think there is no REAL way to compensate anybody after a war, other than promise to fight as hard not to WAR again .

  • -4

    YuriOtani

    The sad thing is no matter what Japan does this issue will not go away. Koreans need it as a crutch for their insecurities. All of their problems are because of Japan. What will they use other than Japan the truth? Never happen as it will make them less than perfect. As to this memorial it is Korea spreading their hate around the world. Koreans hate Japanese and this includes the Okinawa people. I have had encounters with them in America. They hate me for my nationality ignoring the fact me and my family never harmed them.

  • 1

    pk

    YuriOtani - "The sad thing is no matter what Japan does this issue will not go away. Koreans need it as a crutch..."

    Let's see, we had Abe making comments recently, which was followed by Hashimoto's comments, then Ishihara chimed in trying to defend Hashimoto's comments, now we have Nariaki Nakayama putting his two cents in...yet again.

    Seems to me Japan does just fine keeping this issue alive all by itself.

  • -7

    Peter Payne

    This gesture was sponsored by whatever Korean lobbying group has been funneling money to these politicians. This is how this works, guys, and one reason Japan is behind the curve, since they're not cool enough to have lobbyists in the U.S.

  • 3

    Asianhometown

    YuriOtani. Can't believe you actually believe your own comments. The issue is not going away because right winger politicians continue to deny history, try to rewrite history and make outrageous comments regarding women who were sex slaves to the imperial army. If the Japanese Government ban hateful speech and come to terms with history then maybe the Koreans, Chinese and others will forgive and forget.

    Japanese people have so much to offer to the rest of the world but their politicians whom the people elect continue to put Japan in a difficult position.

  • -3

    gokai_wo_maneku

    I'm not really worried. It is only the lunatic fringe (including politicians) in the respective countries that are concerned and arguing/bikering. When I go to China, I'm always treated well, and have never been kicked out of a gay bar (gokai-wo-maneku is totally gay) because I was Japanese. And work with China affiliates proceeds smoothly. We have a new Chinese programmer who loves speaking Japanese. That said, I do wish Japanese politicians were smarter (that is, not so stupid).

  • 1

    smithinjapan

    YuriOtani: "The sad thing is no matter what Japan does this issue will not go away. Koreans need it as a crutch for their insecurities."

    Haven't seen you in a while! I guess there are too many Chinese ships entering Japanese waters for you to complain about the military in Okinawa. On that note, no, the Koreans do not need it as a crutch any more than Japan needs it as a reason to criticize Korea for all of THEIR problems. Seriously... people of a nation that has raped women by the thousands after forcing them into slavery in brothels then complains that those WOMEN are the problem and just want to complain? I've never heard of anything so pathetic. You do realize, of course, that the people of your own area (Okinawa) were forced to commit suicide en masse by the same government. Are they just whiners as well when the government denies what happened? Are the little girls remembered at Himeyuri No Tou just a crutch for Okinawans?

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    pk

    Peter Payne - "This is how this works, guys, and one reason Japan is behind the curve, since they're not cool enough to have lobbyists in the U.S."

    "Enter Bob Michel, a top Washington lobbyist with Hogan & Hartson...The Japanese government pays his firm about $60,000 per month ($600,000 per year) to lobby on the SOLE MATTER OF HISTORICAL ISSUED RELATED TO WORLD WAR II...incidentally, is only the most prominent of a small gang of lobbyists which Japan retains to handle World War II issues..." The firm was instrumental in helping to keep legislation on comfort women from being passed in Congress.

    Japanese officials asked Mindy Kotler, director of Asia Policy Point, how much China and Korea spent lobbying congress on historical issues, she replied, "nothing".

    "...Hogan and Hartson, the lobbying firm that has represented Tokyo's interests in Washington for more than four decades..."

    Looks to me, China and Korea is "behind the curve".

  • -4

    YuriOtani

    Actually Smith the Chinese ships might as well have sink me on them! I do think this is another great reason for Japan to be neutral in the Korean civil war.

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    smithinjapan

    YuriOtani: "Actually Smith the Chinese ships might as well have sink me on them! I do think this is another great reason for Japan to be neutral in the Korean civil war."

    What does this have to do with the Korean (you love to throw around the word 'civil' despite being the contrary) War? If you're referring to some kind of outrage by Koreans, try using better metaphor -- last I checked 'Honda' was a Japanese name, and one of the lawmakers in question, since I try to base my comments on the actual thread, is of Japanese ancestry and himself was interned in a camp as a child. So moan and groan and blame the victims all you like while simultaneously separating yourself from the central government of Japan on US base issues, but the fact remains Japan is in denial on this while the rest of the world, and a great many nationals besides Korean were forced into brothels, and blaming the victims is truly pathetic.

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    tyvtgo1US

    I think I will go deface this so called monument. Can not believe some politicians have taken part in such BS! If anyone should put the past into the past it should be the US, especially concerning Japan. These other Asian countries has used these type of tactics again and again to empower themselves as leaders within their own country when this has no reflection on the people of Japan today, but they keep the topic alive and kicking for nationalistic purposes , the same inwhich China does again and again as they themselves are guilty of so much even today against others along with their own people. This is a very disturbing topic to me, and the way it is being kept alive!

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    gokai_wo_maneku

    PS I do consider forced prostitution to be an offence to humanity (I hate the term "comfort women").

  • 0

    smithinjapan

    tyvtogo1Us: "This is a very disturbing topic to me, and the way it is being kept alive!"

    Truth hurts.

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    OssanAmerica

    This Comfort Women issue is used by the South Korean government as a political and diplomatic tool. It conveniently ignores the fact that the matter was settled in the 1965 Treaty where Japan paid for "individuals who suffered". I have heard some argue that the Treaty doesn't specifically mention Comfort Women. but last I checked they were and are all individuals. I have also heard arguments that the 1965 South Korean government did not represent all South Koreans. Well I hardly think that the Imperial Japanese government represented all Japanese between 1910 and 1945. Even though it has been established that the South Korean government spent the money that should have gone to the comfort women on other things they take no responsibility for this and continue to blame Japan. Until South Korea is willing to be honest about it's own role in this and other WWII matters, I see no possibility of a reconciliation between the two countries.

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    yabits

    This is a very disturbing topic to me, and the way it is being kept alive!

    I am glad it is disturbing, and therefore glad it is being kept alive.

    It conveniently ignores the fact that the matter was settled in the 1965 Treaty where Japan paid for "individuals who suffered"

    Settled according to whom? The facts on the ground indicate it is most certainly not settled. The model for how a nation treats a people it has wronged is how Germany has continuously demonstrated its atonement for its crimes against people in WWII. Nobody is delusional enough to believe that Germany could have signed a single treaty that would resolve the matter. Why do some Japanese suffer these delusions?

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    YuriOtani

    Smith if there is a war Red China will have to fire the first shot. As for Germany they still hate that country. I see pictures of their head of state in nazi clothing. Germany has not been forgiven maybe in a shallow way but at the first sign of distress.

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    yabits

    As for Germany they still hate that country.

    So you see how ludicrous it is for some Japanese to believe that signing a treaty will resolve everything.

    Unlike Korea, Israel's leaders publicly acknowledge the steps that German has taken, and continues to take to atone for their actions. Japan is not willing to act sincerely as Germany has.

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    nigelboy

    Nobody is delusional enough to believe that Germany could have signed a single treaty that would resolve the matter. Why do some Japanese suffer these delusions?

    Perhaps it 's because Gernany lacks in bilateral treaties with the nations she invaded unlike Japan. Perhaps it's because the Germany high court has ruled no more compensations in regards to war damages. Perhaps it's country like Greece who still claim for damages yet to no avail.

    Under most civilized nations, the treaty does in fact solve pretty much everything and hence, considrered to have supremacy clause with ratification requirements from the respective legislative bodies. This is why it should not be taken lightly.

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    yabits

    Perhaps it's because the Germany high court has ruled no more compensations in regards to war damages

    Perhaps some of Japan's defenders and apologists can't convey a story accurately, or without misleading themselves and others.

    Germany continues to pay damages to the people they wronged. Around a billion dollars for four years care for aging holocaust survivors, just enacted this year. (In addition to the billions they have already spent.)

    http://news.yahoo.com/germany-pay-1-billion-homecare-ageing-holocaust-victims-134906807.html

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    nigelboy

    Perhaps some of Japan's defenders and apologists can't convey a story accurately, or without misleading themselves and others.

    What about the war damages? It appears that your focus us solely on the holocaust victims. Do you have anything that relates to the damages caused by Germany invasion throughout Europe? What I'm talking about are billions and billions of funds to nations she invaded as well as forfeiture of billions and billions of overseas assets.

    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/日本の戦争賠償と戦後補償

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    smithinjapan

    YuriOtani: "As for Germany they still hate that country."

    BS. German Chancellors have literally prostrated themselves at the Auscwitz Memorial Museum and continue to apologize on a yearly basis, give money to victims, and pray that the past is never repeated. Contrast that with Japan, who denies the past occurred and wants to scrap the current constitution to rebuild the army, all the while spitting on the victims of its past. You are one of the people spitting.

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    sfjp330

    smithinjapan Jun. 10, 2013 - 08:04AM JST BS. German Chancellors have literally prostrated themselves at the Auscwitz Memorial Museum and continue to apologize on a yearly basis, give money to victims, and pray that the past is never repeated.

    In 1985, President Reagan visited the German war cemetery in Bitburg with German Chancellor Kohl where some 2,000 German soldiers lie buried, including almost 50 Nazi SS grave sites. Bitburg visit is probably the biggest mistake of Reagan and Kohl.

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    tyvtgo1US

    Say what you like, but this is past history and Japan has apologized numerous times throughout the past, The ONLY reason this is kept alive is by the CHinese leaders in China, and Korea. Of course they still can not get over that they were beaten up by Japan, and only helps the leaders in the eyes of the people that has been taught this continual hatred of Japan scince birth and that is very true!!!. Will these countries ever let peace come to East Asia or will they continue to keep the hatred alive? Look at Chinese society over the last 5 years and the destruction the Chinese leadership has caused to Japanese investments and to Japanese people's lives in China. The hatred is so alive and kept alive by the Chinese leadership that in an instance China society goes on these hatred ramps against anything Japan.. This is totally SICK, and totally sick of a society anywhere on earth when it is lead by leaders of a country! Problem being, now that China has gained power they are targeting even others in the region with this same hatred and aggression. Terrible terrible.... It is terrible anyone supports such mentality as well! This is Japan now, not yesterday. Can not people come into the 21st century? geez I find all this so childish and yes China has been branded childish many many times in the past 10 years or so.. Yes I do hate the CCP and what they have done to the minds of its people, and yes I do have friends from China, quite a few!

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