MildredRoper: Same sex marriages cannot make children, which proves they are wrong.
I guess marriages where one partner is sterile are wrong too. I guess we could also throw in couples who don't make kids because they don't want to, and throw them in even if they adopt instead.
I can agree that the primary logic behind marriage is to raise kids, but making it a requirement for a "correct" marriage is EXTREMELY small-minded.
AlffromWapping: If people accept deviant behaviour it will flourish and destroy society.
I will agree that there are dangers. But your apocolyptic assessment is WAY overboard. There was a time when people were shocked by Playboy magazine. They too cringed about how it was immoral and deviant and how it would destroy society. It is possible to allow all sorts of behaviors without society collapsing. The key is control. I wish people like yourself would be reasonable and preach control instead of telling us society will come to an end.
Shouldn't you be quoting biochemists rather than philosophers?
Why? My objections are to the sentimental Lefty logic that gay people are "entitled" to get married.
Why should you care? Would legalization of same-sex marriage tempt you to go gay?
LOL. I always like that one. It poisons the debate and insults in a backhanded way the very group whose rights you pretend to champion but are obviously doing so purely for politically expedient reasons.
teleprompter: It poisons the debate and insults in a backhanded way the very group whose rights you pretend to champion
Not it does not, not either allegation. Its just a simple question. The only place it has a negative context is your head. In other words, any possible snipe in there is either directed at you or totally unintentional, but still hitting you.
Now answer the question: Do you really think that you or anyone else is going to go gay just because it becomes acceptable? Or, if that question is too charged for you, how about this one: Do you think that you would become strongly attracted to severely obese women if it became a popular fad? How about flat-chested ones? Hairy ones? Ugly ones?
When i was a bus driver we had a fellow who batted for the other team as a conductor. Kept himself to himself, no nonsense about gay marriage or anything.
If people have these inclinations, they should keep them behind closed doors in private. The rest of us don'T want our wives and kids to see your behaviour. Marriage should definatly never be allowed. Gays should only be allowed physical contact in private where the vulnerable cannot be offended.
Don't ban it, but keep iot private. The rest of us would rather not know about it.
Don't ban it, but keep iot private. The rest of us would rather not know about it.
Its ok. Once people like yourself get used to it, I am sure you can find another group to look down on and start making wild excuses for doing so. Some of those excuses might even stick despite all reason. Then you will declare them moral.
But at least somebody here has finally admitted that one of the core problems is simply their own personal discomfort.
Now I will introduce the concept that there are some people in the world who simply need a group of people to consider lower than themselves so that they can hold their own heads up all day. Those people tend to be conservatives, and any wild excuse will do so long as their little weakness of needing to look down on someone else is not discovered. Witches, gays, burakumin, untouchables, communists, jews, blacks, Chinese, hippies, immigrants, they have all had their time. Who is next? Some people seem to be bucking for Muslims.
Likeitis, you are Canadian. What is your country's stance on same sex marriage?
You tell me. No one here has posted more facts about Canada recently than yourself. And I am wondering, why does a Ruskie like you know so much about Canada???
RegVarney: I don't understand the widespread support for gingers on this thread.
Might be because you have taken the wrong tack. I for one am not supporting them. I am supporting their rights. Said it before, its the principles, not the people. Since you focus on the people, let me guess where you lie on the political spectrum.
Us normal people don't flaunt ourseleves in public like gays.
Might be because normal people are not under attack? But this is another fallacy. Not all gays flaunt themselves, and not all "normal" people don't. Plenty of heteros flaunt their sexuality.
Stone the crows they'll be wanting the same tax rights as married people next.
Ultrashaman: Why is it that once this poll went off the main page, the most angry comments suddenly appeared?
Because conservatives don't argue to find the truth or discover what is fair. They don't really care about the truth or fairness. They seek influence and power. Once a topic leaves the main page, they know it will not be read as much, because they themselves cannot be bothered to sustain the debate. They too busy trying to get their way while walking on others.
Because conservatives don't argue to find the truth or discover what is fair. They don't really care about the truth or fairness. They seek influence and power. Once a topic leaves the main page, they know it will not be read as much, because they themselves cannot be bothered to sustain the debate. They too busy trying to get their way while walking on others.
what if you're gay and don't want to get married? what if you're straight and don't want to get married? It's about marriage. It's like those sitcoms, where singles in general are made to feel uneasy about themselves, like they have a sickness or something, because their married friends and society can't 'figure them out', like only when you marry you will be of social importance to them.
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likeitis at 05:55 PM JST - 27th April
I guess marriages where one partner is sterile are wrong too. I guess we could also throw in couples who don't make kids because they don't want to, and throw them in even if they adopt instead.
I can agree that the primary logic behind marriage is to raise kids, but making it a requirement for a "correct" marriage is EXTREMELY small-minded.
likeitis at 06:02 PM JST - 27th April
I will agree that there are dangers. But your apocolyptic assessment is WAY overboard. There was a time when people were shocked by Playboy magazine. They too cringed about how it was immoral and deviant and how it would destroy society. It is possible to allow all sorts of behaviors without society collapsing. The key is control. I wish people like yourself would be reasonable and preach control instead of telling us society will come to an end.
teleprompter at 06:31 PM JST - 27th April
Why? My objections are to the sentimental Lefty logic that gay people are "entitled" to get married.
LOL. I always like that one. It poisons the debate and insults in a backhanded way the very group whose rights you pretend to champion but are obviously doing so purely for politically expedient reasons.
likeitis at 06:40 PM JST - 27th April
Not it does not, not either allegation. Its just a simple question. The only place it has a negative context is your head. In other words, any possible snipe in there is either directed at you or totally unintentional, but still hitting you.
Now answer the question: Do you really think that you or anyone else is going to go gay just because it becomes acceptable? Or, if that question is too charged for you, how about this one: Do you think that you would become strongly attracted to severely obese women if it became a popular fad? How about flat-chested ones? Hairy ones? Ugly ones?
RegVarney at 07:27 PM JST - 27th April
When i was a bus driver we had a fellow who batted for the other team as a conductor. Kept himself to himself, no nonsense about gay marriage or anything.
If people have these inclinations, they should keep them behind closed doors in private. The rest of us don'T want our wives and kids to see your behaviour. Marriage should definatly never be allowed. Gays should only be allowed physical contact in private where the vulnerable cannot be offended.
Don't ban it, but keep iot private. The rest of us would rather not know about it.
likeitis at 07:42 PM JST - 27th April
Its ok. Once people like yourself get used to it, I am sure you can find another group to look down on and start making wild excuses for doing so. Some of those excuses might even stick despite all reason. Then you will declare them moral.
But at least somebody here has finally admitted that one of the core problems is simply their own personal discomfort.
Now I will introduce the concept that there are some people in the world who simply need a group of people to consider lower than themselves so that they can hold their own heads up all day. Those people tend to be conservatives, and any wild excuse will do so long as their little weakness of needing to look down on someone else is not discovered. Witches, gays, burakumin, untouchables, communists, jews, blacks, Chinese, hippies, immigrants, they have all had their time. Who is next? Some people seem to be bucking for Muslims.
teleprompter at 07:55 PM JST - 27th April
Likeitis, you are Canadian. What is your country's stance on same sex marriage?
likeitis at 09:01 PM JST - 27th April
You tell me. No one here has posted more facts about Canada recently than yourself. And I am wondering, why does a Ruskie like you know so much about Canada???
RegVarney at 11:46 PM JST - 27th April
I don't understand the widespread support for gingers on this thread.
Us normal people don't flaunt ourseleves in public like gays. They can't be married they aren't different sexes, it's as simple as that.
Stone the crows they'll be wanting the same tax rights as married people next. When will the insanity ednd?
Ultrashaman at 02:52 AM JST - 28th April
Why is it that once this poll went off the main page, the most angry comments suddenly appeared?
likeitis at 08:39 AM JST - 28th April
Might be because you have taken the wrong tack. I for one am not supporting them. I am supporting their rights. Said it before, its the principles, not the people. Since you focus on the people, let me guess where you lie on the political spectrum.
Might be because normal people are not under attack? But this is another fallacy. Not all gays flaunt themselves, and not all "normal" people don't. Plenty of heteros flaunt their sexuality.
Why not?
likeitis at 08:43 AM JST - 28th April
Because conservatives don't argue to find the truth or discover what is fair. They don't really care about the truth or fairness. They seek influence and power. Once a topic leaves the main page, they know it will not be read as much, because they themselves cannot be bothered to sustain the debate. They too busy trying to get their way while walking on others.
Ultrashaman at 01:36 PM JST - 29th April
Okey dokey, that answer works for me.
aikisako at 02:24 PM JST - 3rd May
what if you're gay and don't want to get married? what if you're straight and don't want to get married? It's about marriage. It's like those sitcoms, where singles in general are made to feel uneasy about themselves, like they have a sickness or something, because their married friends and society can't 'figure them out', like only when you marry you will be of social importance to them.
Bento at 01:31 AM JST - 21st May
a marriage is a lifelong exclusive relationship between a man and a woman, everything else requires a different name.