Wow, Chinese care so much about GDP, wages, public education, scientific research, infant mortality, life expectancy, and so on. In the end, they might make Tibetan people as happy as Japanese salarymen who are the happiest people in the world. Without China’s help, Tibetans will be as miserable as South East Asian Buddhists who are always smiling. Those people are protesting because they know that, unlike Japanese and Chinese, Tibetans do not subscribe to Western values such as GDP.
"Tibet was, is and will always be a part of China, even a fool can see that."
Yes, obviously.
"There are 56 ethnic groups in China, Tibetan is just one of them. Tibetans are living happy lives in China, go and see for yourself. Your people are living in dream world. See the reality!"
If they are so happy why did they start demonstrating?
There are millions of Chinese in China who are illiterate, have no access to electricity, health care or decent food. The Economic rise of China is still only benefiting a few city dwellers and the vast majority still continue to live in object poverty. To claim that the Tibetan people are living in luxury is just absurd! Tibet will continue to be the Albatross around China's drive for international respect. The Tibetan people are at the moment miserable - they do not want China to determine for them what should constitute their happiness and what path they should take to achieve it. It is less than a decade ago that millions of emaciated Chinese in their dilapidated boats were clamoring to reach the shores of Western countries. These people are still there in China living in the shadows, waiting for their share of the economic success that I say will not come in their life time. I think China should focus on these people and free the Tibetans.
I support and agree with the protestors. Red China promised (empitily) that she'd clean up her human rights record back in '02 when Beijing was awarded the games, and she has done absolutely nothing to improve her stand. If fact, truth be told, she has only escalated her horrible Human Rights record be babbling in Darfur, meddling in Thailand, and her continued killing off of those people who happen to follow a faith system that is not sanctioned by the Red Government, and her continued threats agaisnt Taiwan. These have only lowered Red China's Human Rights Standards.
I support the Uighurs, Inner Mongolians, and Tibetans who are suing and protesting for independence, I am in support of the protestors from the dissident groups who are using the Olympic Torch run to highlight their plights, and I am with those who think that radical change ought to come to Beijing and Red China. Had the torch run a course through Tokyo, I'd have been out there with a sign or placard to support the protestors, and my Christian Brethren behind Red China's Bamboo Curtain. I may have even aimed myself at one of the blue-clad dudes, and used him as a tackling dummy, paying them back for how they have treated legitimate protestors. Amnd did aonyone notice how, in North Korea and VietNam, there were virtually no anti-Red-China protests, all the flags being shown those of Red China? Coincidence, or is it because Viet-Nam, North Korea, and Red China all have the same kind of government? Makes one wonder how any protests would have gone had the torch made its way to Havana....
Once again, I suport the protest!!! May they continue!!!
What a typical Chinese view: no freedom of speech or religion or self-determination but hey you now have a few coins jingling in your pocket. What can you possibly complain about!?
Despite the endless party line you've posted here, the fact still remains that Tibetans in Tibet and elsewhere are not satisfied with the status quo of Chinese rule and are demanding change. Your country can only pretend there is nothing wrong for so long. The rest of the world sees the problem, why can't you?
Tibet was, is and will always be a part of China, even a fool can see that.The one who doesn't know the truth do not have the right to speak!
Come here,you will know what's the reality.
hannyan - Tibet never was and never truly will be a part of china, even a fool can see that, if they look back at history and see how Tibet has, for about 95% of Chinese history, always been on the outside of any Chinese Empire of the past, and, up until she was brutally assaulted and attacked by the Red Chinese "People's 'Liberation'" Army, was still independent of China. Only those whom have given in to the Communistic Dogma and believe wholeheartedly the communistic propaganda that Beijing (Pyongyang, Hanoi, and Havana, as well) spew out believe that Tibet was ever, in some pink-sky-worldly way a part of China. I will admit that Tibet was apart of China at one time: when the Mongols under Temujin (later Genghis Khan) -- who treated the Tibetans as brothers, especially in the regard that Tibetans at that time were expert mountain warriros, of whom bothGenghis and Kublai Khan had great respect -- dominated China and ran smash-mouth through the whole of Medieval China at that time giving the Tibetans a firm place in their government later. Yes, then Tibet WAs a part of China....or rather, China was a part of Tibet.
Since then, however, Tibet has never really been a part of China. History proves this out clearly, and the protestors who are doing a bang-up job of disrupting the torch run have every right to make their plight known to the rest of the world. I hope the Beijing Games flop from the very first, showing the world what a complete and utter joke that Red China and her government are.....
blue tiger,for your information,it's not only red CCP who seems obessesed about ruling
tibet,even the ex-chinese ruling party,the democratic kuomindang(the one right now ruling
taiwan) has never ceased the authority of tibet,even at its most critical war time in 1930s
-1940s.
If Tibet was not part of China, why had the Chinese emperor been the one to give the
Dalai Lama his title? and apart from the Dalai Lama,why there is so many ruling Lama
centries ago had to have the ancient Chinese emperor's permission(some by marrying chinese
princess to the Tibetan leader) to execute its authority.you propably have not known much
about ancient chinese history or you don't seem to care.china have been very influencial in
the ancient time.if you call what happened in 1951 a evil communist's invasion of an
independent country,well,Tibet must be a country of continous invasion of all time
throughout numerous chinese dynasty.
i don't want to take on behalf of the CCP,what they've done in tibet was cruel.and some
of their conduct did destroy the Tibetan's culture,especially during the culture revolution
period, and they should be ashamed of that.but you can't change the history by saying it has
never been part of china,cos it's simply not the truth.if you know tibetan language,you can
go for a research in various museums displaying the ancient treaty/agreement between chinese
emperor and tibetan leaders of how tibetan would accept the chinese emperor's supreme
authority(most of these museums locates in mainland china)
Some want to punish China for its association with the Sudanese government, which is
perpetrating atrocities in Darfur. But to boycott Beijing's Games and disrupt its torch
relay because it buys oil from Sudan carries the notion of responsibility too far. After
all, the United States has much closer ties to Saudi Arabia, a medieval monarchy that has
funded Islamic terror. Should the world boycott America for this relationship?
China's attitude toward Tibet is wrong and cruel, but, alas, not that unusual. Other
nations, especially developing countries, have taken tough stands against what they perceive
as separatist forces. A flourishing democracy like India has often responded to such
movements by imposing martial law and suspending political and civil rights. The Turks for
many decades crushed all Kurdish pleas for linguistic and ethnic autonomy. The
democratically elected Russian government of Boris Yeltsin responded brutally to Chechen
demands. Under Yeltsin and his successor, Vladimir Putin, also elected, the Russian Army
killed about 75,000 civilians in Chechnya, and leveled its capital. These actions were
enthusiastically supported within Russia. It is particularly strange to see countries that
launched no boycotts while Chechnya was being destroyed—and indeed welcomed Russia into the
G8—now so outraged about the persecution of minorities.
blue tiger, i can see how much you are still excited about the last-time cold war's
victory on democratic side, but thinking that there is still a need to rekindle a new one
and therefore boycott the red china's Olympic was old-fashioned and ridiculous.hey,there
will be some of your nation's hardtraining athlete performing for your national pride,are
you really not going to watch the game and wish them good luck?
Staytune, this article is about China, Tibet and the Olypmics. It's not about other countries and their problems. Besides, when the USSR invaded
Afghanistan , we (the U.S.) boycotted the Moscow Olympics. And so did China! Also next time please don't doublescape there's no need and it just takes up so much space. Thanks.
I see a very large difference between boycotting the Olympics and trying to disrupt them. To me, it's like being at a super-market and having to listen to a married couple argue down the aisle. The household is important for every family, and I'm the type who always likes to help, but I don't want to hear about that stuff then. Likewise, I don't want to have my torch run interupted because of something involving another country. If I did, I wouldn't go to see the show.
staytune, all of your information about Tibet really beign a part of China is rubbish. Up until the Red Chinese Army invaded, Tibet had been independent of China and Chinese Dynasties for a thousand years. Just as the Choseon Dynasty in Korea had been independent of Japan for nearly five centuries (up until the Japanese Occupation in 1895), Tibet was independent of China. Al you have to do is look at a map of both the Han and T'ang Dynasties to see the truth.
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tako10 at 01:43 AM JST - 30th April
Wow, Chinese care so much about GDP, wages, public education, scientific research, infant mortality, life expectancy, and so on. In the end, they might make Tibetan people as happy as Japanese salarymen who are the happiest people in the world. Without China’s help, Tibetans will be as miserable as South East Asian Buddhists who are always smiling. Those people are protesting because they know that, unlike Japanese and Chinese, Tibetans do not subscribe to Western values such as GDP.
OssanULTRA at 04:43 AM JST - 30th April
"Tibet was, is and will always be a part of China, even a fool can see that."
Yes, obviously.
"There are 56 ethnic groups in China, Tibetan is just one of them. Tibetans are living happy lives in China, go and see for yourself. Your people are living in dream world. See the reality!"
If they are so happy why did they start demonstrating?
Everton2 at 07:34 AM JST - 30th April
There are millions of Chinese in China who are illiterate, have no access to electricity, health care or decent food. The Economic rise of China is still only benefiting a few city dwellers and the vast majority still continue to live in object poverty. To claim that the Tibetan people are living in luxury is just absurd! Tibet will continue to be the Albatross around China's drive for international respect. The Tibetan people are at the moment miserable - they do not want China to determine for them what should constitute their happiness and what path they should take to achieve it. It is less than a decade ago that millions of emaciated Chinese in their dilapidated boats were clamoring to reach the shores of Western countries. These people are still there in China living in the shadows, waiting for their share of the economic success that I say will not come in their life time. I think China should focus on these people and free the Tibetans.
USNinJapan2 at 09:46 AM JST - 30th April
anticnn
I'll keep my 'dream world' as you put it than your duplicitous state-controlled one, thank you.
Blue_Tiger at 11:08 AM JST - 30th April
I support and agree with the protestors. Red China promised (empitily) that she'd clean up her human rights record back in '02 when Beijing was awarded the games, and she has done absolutely nothing to improve her stand. If fact, truth be told, she has only escalated her horrible Human Rights record be babbling in Darfur, meddling in Thailand, and her continued killing off of those people who happen to follow a faith system that is not sanctioned by the Red Government, and her continued threats agaisnt Taiwan. These have only lowered Red China's Human Rights Standards.
I support the Uighurs, Inner Mongolians, and Tibetans who are suing and protesting for independence, I am in support of the protestors from the dissident groups who are using the Olympic Torch run to highlight their plights, and I am with those who think that radical change ought to come to Beijing and Red China. Had the torch run a course through Tokyo, I'd have been out there with a sign or placard to support the protestors, and my Christian Brethren behind Red China's Bamboo Curtain. I may have even aimed myself at one of the blue-clad dudes, and used him as a tackling dummy, paying them back for how they have treated legitimate protestors. Amnd did aonyone notice how, in North Korea and VietNam, there were virtually no anti-Red-China protests, all the flags being shown those of Red China? Coincidence, or is it because Viet-Nam, North Korea, and Red China all have the same kind of government? Makes one wonder how any protests would have gone had the torch made its way to Havana....
Once again, I suport the protest!!! May they continue!!!
Rainrain at 02:53 PM JST - 30th April
A Tibetan friend says religious freedoms are compromised but they are richer than before with China's aid in modernizing Tibet!
USNinJapan2 at 03:41 PM JST - 30th April
Rainrain
What a typical Chinese view: no freedom of speech or religion or self-determination but hey you now have a few coins jingling in your pocket. What can you possibly complain about!?
Despite the endless party line you've posted here, the fact still remains that Tibetans in Tibet and elsewhere are not satisfied with the status quo of Chinese rule and are demanding change. Your country can only pretend there is nothing wrong for so long. The rest of the world sees the problem, why can't you?
capone at 11:35 AM JST - 1st May
i support protests of any and all kinds...solely for my own amusement
hanyan at 02:51 PM JST - 1st May
Tibet was, is and will always be a part of China, even a fool can see that.The one who doesn't know the truth do not have the right to speak! Come here,you will know what's the reality.
Blue_Tiger at 08:53 PM JST - 1st May
hannyan - Tibet never was and never truly will be a part of china, even a fool can see that, if they look back at history and see how Tibet has, for about 95% of Chinese history, always been on the outside of any Chinese Empire of the past, and, up until she was brutally assaulted and attacked by the Red Chinese "People's 'Liberation'" Army, was still independent of China. Only those whom have given in to the Communistic Dogma and believe wholeheartedly the communistic propaganda that Beijing (Pyongyang, Hanoi, and Havana, as well) spew out believe that Tibet was ever, in some pink-sky-worldly way a part of China. I will admit that Tibet was apart of China at one time: when the Mongols under Temujin (later Genghis Khan) -- who treated the Tibetans as brothers, especially in the regard that Tibetans at that time were expert mountain warriros, of whom bothGenghis and Kublai Khan had great respect -- dominated China and ran smash-mouth through the whole of Medieval China at that time giving the Tibetans a firm place in their government later. Yes, then Tibet WAs a part of China....or rather, China was a part of Tibet.
Since then, however, Tibet has never really been a part of China. History proves this out clearly, and the protestors who are doing a bang-up job of disrupting the torch run have every right to make their plight known to the rest of the world. I hope the Beijing Games flop from the very first, showing the world what a complete and utter joke that Red China and her government are.....
staytune at 10:42 PM JST - 1st May
blue tiger,for your information,it's not only red CCP who seems obessesed about ruling
tibet,even the ex-chinese ruling party,the democratic kuomindang(the one right now ruling
taiwan) has never ceased the authority of tibet,even at its most critical war time in 1930s
-1940s. If Tibet was not part of China, why had the Chinese emperor been the one to give the
Dalai Lama his title? and apart from the Dalai Lama,why there is so many ruling Lama
centries ago had to have the ancient Chinese emperor's permission(some by marrying chinese
princess to the Tibetan leader) to execute its authority.you propably have not known much
about ancient chinese history or you don't seem to care.china have been very influencial in
the ancient time.if you call what happened in 1951 a evil communist's invasion of an
independent country,well,Tibet must be a country of continous invasion of all time
throughout numerous chinese dynasty. i don't want to take on behalf of the CCP,what they've done in tibet was cruel.and some
of their conduct did destroy the Tibetan's culture,especially during the culture revolution
period, and they should be ashamed of that.but you can't change the history by saying it has
never been part of china,cos it's simply not the truth.if you know tibetan language,you can
go for a research in various museums displaying the ancient treaty/agreement between chinese
emperor and tibetan leaders of how tibetan would accept the chinese emperor's supreme
authority(most of these museums locates in mainland china) Some want to punish China for its association with the Sudanese government, which is
perpetrating atrocities in Darfur. But to boycott Beijing's Games and disrupt its torch
relay because it buys oil from Sudan carries the notion of responsibility too far. After
all, the United States has much closer ties to Saudi Arabia, a medieval monarchy that has
funded Islamic terror. Should the world boycott America for this relationship? China's attitude toward Tibet is wrong and cruel, but, alas, not that unusual. Other
nations, especially developing countries, have taken tough stands against what they perceive
as separatist forces. A flourishing democracy like India has often responded to such
movements by imposing martial law and suspending political and civil rights. The Turks for
many decades crushed all Kurdish pleas for linguistic and ethnic autonomy. The
democratically elected Russian government of Boris Yeltsin responded brutally to Chechen
demands. Under Yeltsin and his successor, Vladimir Putin, also elected, the Russian Army
killed about 75,000 civilians in Chechnya, and leveled its capital. These actions were
enthusiastically supported within Russia. It is particularly strange to see countries that
launched no boycotts while Chechnya was being destroyed—and indeed welcomed Russia into the
G8—now so outraged about the persecution of minorities. blue tiger, i can see how much you are still excited about the last-time cold war's
victory on democratic side, but thinking that there is still a need to rekindle a new one
and therefore boycott the red china's Olympic was old-fashioned and ridiculous.hey,there
will be some of your nation's hardtraining athlete performing for your national pride,are
you really not going to watch the game and wish them good luck?
OssanULTRA at 02:01 AM JST - 2nd May
Staytune, this article is about China, Tibet and the Olypmics. It's not about other countries and their problems. Besides, when the USSR invaded Afghanistan , we (the U.S.) boycotted the Moscow Olympics. And so did China! Also next time please don't doublescape there's no need and it just takes up so much space. Thanks.
EurajReturns at 02:04 AM JST - 3rd May
I see a very large difference between boycotting the Olympics and trying to disrupt them. To me, it's like being at a super-market and having to listen to a married couple argue down the aisle. The household is important for every family, and I'm the type who always likes to help, but I don't want to hear about that stuff then. Likewise, I don't want to have my torch run interupted because of something involving another country. If I did, I wouldn't go to see the show.
pinks at 09:56 PM JST - 3rd May
anticnn - so everyone except you just dreamt that Chinese troops opened fire on Tibetan monks, did they? More of a nightmare.
Blue_Tiger at 02:01 PM JST - 6th May
staytune, all of your information about Tibet really beign a part of China is rubbish. Up until the Red Chinese Army invaded, Tibet had been independent of China and Chinese Dynasties for a thousand years. Just as the Choseon Dynasty in Korea had been independent of Japan for nearly five centuries (up until the Japanese Occupation in 1895), Tibet was independent of China. Al you have to do is look at a map of both the Han and T'ang Dynasties to see the truth.
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