Do you think suicide is an honorable way to atone for a crime or scandal?

Saturday 24th May, 10:59 AM JST

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okapake at 06:07 PM JST - 25th May

I dunno about the money aspect, but most insurance policies, at least in the U.S., don't pay off on suicides.
capone at 07:25 PM JST - 25th May

not at all...its a cowards way out
jinjapan at 07:56 AM JST - 26th May

although i don't feel suicide is a bad thing, when used to escape some wrong doing is wrong. rjdjr states above that white collar criminals just get basically a slap on the wrist. this is mainly because they drag everyone else down with them . they should just accept what they've done as wrong & as they say " do the crime do the time" . or if you are going to rat on others because they have done wrong as well, then do not plea bargain. as for suicide, if someone is not mentally ill & they feel they've just had enough of life, or they are in such pain from a serious illness, it should be their prerogative what to do with their own life. so, if they want to "move on" then so be it.
Hughgarse at 01:08 PM JST - 26th May

Lets say you got your family into a real pickle, status and financially. You committing suicide allows them to go free of blame/shame and at the same time provides them with enough funds(Life insurance, etc) to move on with their life's.

Most life insurance policies are void if someone commits suicide, so leaving a family in a worst pickle is an absolutely selfish thing to do...
ambrosia at 01:48 PM JST - 26th May

hughgarse: Most life insurance policies are void if someone commits suicide, so leaving a family in a worst pickle is an absolutely selfish thing to do...

That's not true in Japan which is why people here do it for financial reasons. Not it says *defer payments *for two or three years, not that the family won't get it.

Financial concerns are cited in one-fifth of suicide notes; almost half of all suicides are unemployed. Some take their lives so that surviving family members can collect insurance, which has led insurance firms to defer payments for two or three years as a deterrent
ambrosia at 01:49 PM JST - 26th May

Sorry, I mean "note it says..."
Badsey at 01:46 AM JST - 27th May

people that never had to work hard for something (anything) will always try to take the easy way out.

-and miles to go before I sleep.
PuffinMuffin at 09:37 AM JST - 27th May

honorable? Why put honorable into the matter?
0solrac at 02:13 PM JST - 27th May

I don't really know how honorable commiting suicide is. But as someone said here, putting the life in the person/s' hands is more than likely a better way of restoring honor. Sometimes to them you offing your head in front of them or any other form of killing youself may bring grattitude to them in some twisted way. But thats not to say that everyone wants every dumb idiot who decided to launder millions of moolah for their or their family's own benefit to off themselves as a way to say sorry to everyone the weakling duped. Same goes for the idiot who went psychotic and decided to shoot up an entire group of people; and the person who just plain ended up shooting grandma at the store because he "accidently" tripped on the trigger.

Seriously, I don't think Suicide is an honorable way, however no matter the situation... you really don't get to have much of a say in how you live your life after you've done something pretty retarded as stealing money from other people just to make your's even better. It's really in the hands of the people. And maybe in some nations they do say "Yes, you should die to restore your or your familie's honor. Here, heres a machete, turn your life into a pool of blood at my feet" or possibly, "Yes, you will die, but we're going to help. Heres a noose, put it over your head and we'll kick the chair." However in other instances, the victims wouldn't love anything more than to pay to see this person put into time-out and either have them rehabilitated to be a more functional or at least better person... or leave them in time-out for their natural living lives so that the victim can have some satisfaction knowing that this person is rotting away to the core and hating every bit of it. On the bright side of things if the person is in time-out the family and friends (if any) can see them for however long they have left to live; or the victim could visit (not too sure if this is allowed.. but ehh..) and remind the dishonorable person that their suffering is making the victim feel much more better than them commiting suicide.

So all in all... honor isn't something thats always restored by commiting suicide, but more along the lines of something being earned by atoning for a crime in the way that the victim/people choose to be fitting.

If Hitler hadn't commited suicide (if thats true) we might have benifited in some twisted/educational way if he had actually lived and hopefully captured and not shot on sight (although maybe hearing of him being shot might have been a more gratifying ending for others).
0solrac at 02:18 PM JST - 27th May

on a side thought... does restoring honor border along the lines of pride?
presto345 at 09:49 PM JST - 27th May

Absolutely not. We are talking about atonement for crimes and scandals. The latter is somewhat elusive I must say. Killing oneself as atonement for a crime? Rarely happens I think. The reason would be more like a means to escape the consequences of the crime(s). Not being able to go on living in an environment where people point fingers, where you can't find employment anymore, no respect, no love, no meaning in life. It's no atonement, it's the action of an individual who cannot face the responsibilities of his actions.
OhioDonna at 12:41 AM JST - 28th May

Suicide is a selfish act.
Crucades at 07:03 AM JST - 28th May

Suicide is indeed an honourable way of atonement for a crime, provided that the mindset of the person is one of deepest regret, however in many other cases, such of that of a deranged killer, its a simple way of escaping a punishment which would cause harm to its comfort.
capone at 06:28 PM JST - 28th May

pay back the money you stole, apologize for the lies you told, make sure the people you hurt are fully compensated...THEN kill yourself...that would be real atonement
rekrabm at 01:49 AM JST - 29th May

It is much better for society to have someone face their failure or wrongdoing and put their effort into making amends rather than to try to escape from their obligation. They will then be providing an example of virtuous behaviour for society which will help the society advance.
This requires cultural support, however.