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Bonds, Clemens, Sosa head Hall of Fame ballot

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    daviddd1212

    3 losers!!!! It is sad Bonds surpassed Aaron as the home run leader!

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    mrkobayashi

    Barroid Bonds and hall of fame should never be included in the same sentence.

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    Onniyama

    Can't believe they are even being considered. What about Pete Rose?

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    Weasel

    How on Earth these three 'roiders get 75% of the vote to qualify for a nomination in the first place?

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    Carolingium

    This is so wrong. While Bonds and Sosa were great baseball players, using steroids gave them a big edge over other players who didn't dope. While they might have still been the best (debatable), they surely overshadowed the careers of people who worked as hard or harder but didn't post the bloated scores those two did. If they get voted into the HoF, the whole system would be just covering up and rewarding their cheating.

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    Probie

    Hall of Fame voters will now have to weigh whether doping allegations that tainted their achievements should keep them out of the shrine.

    Yes, they should.

    These cheaters don't deserve to be in the HoF.

  • 1

    edojin

    Sorry ... keep 'em out. Souped-up body cheaters should not be honored in any sports hall of fame.

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    Graham DeShazo

    I would be disappointed if they even cross the 50% line. They should be told to crawl back under their rock.

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    cracaphat

    At best admit with an * to their names.

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    GW

    Delete them from the LIST!

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    Bernie Campbell

    Marvin Miller, Father of Free Agency, died a couple of days ago! The Primary reson why Major League Baseball has no integrity and went down hill for the last 35 years! And thats Why Japanese Baseball is whats happening in the 21st century!

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    hoserfella

    where would they get enough bronze to cast Barry Bond's enormous head?

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    JohnBecker

    These three should be taken off the list. Instead of inducting them into the Hall, there should be a permanent exhibit using them as examples of bad sportsmanship and no integrity. Put a picture of Bonds' huge head; a picture of Clemens throwing a broken bat at Mike Piazza; and Sosa's broken, corked bat in a display case under the heading, "The Steroids Era"

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    sfjp330

    In a trial, Barry Bonds was acquitted of the most serious charge against him. Also, Roger Clemens has been acquitted on all charges by a jury. They were innocent of the charges. What more do you want?

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    sfjp330

    JohnBeckerNov. 30, 2012 - 02:46AM JST These three should be taken off the list. Instead of inducting them into the Hall, there should be a permanent exhibit using them as examples of bad sportsmanship and no integrity.

    Sounds like a double standard. If you are talking about integrity in baseball, then, Mark McGuire should not be working as a hitting coach for Cardinals and now Dodgers. MLB should ban him permanently. What makes McGuire special?

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    Iron Clad Templar

    A very tuff call to make, but if they are treated the same way as Lord Pete Rose has been, then these Lords of baseball face a long frustrating wait ahead of them to enter the hallowed arena. To dope or not to dope, brings to mind another era, when Carl Lewis was doing his innocent thing?

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    hoserfella

    Should all drug users also be removed from the roster of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

    Pamelot - A stunning observation. Until now, I hadn't seen the obvious parallels between steroid use in baseball which increases a player's hits and a musician using recreational drugs such as cocaine which is proven to increase the number of No.1 Billboard hits

    I stand corrected. Barry Bonds et al should now be in the HOF.

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    hoserfella

    In a trial, Barry Bonds was acquitted of the most serious charge against him. Also, Roger Clemens has been acquitted on all charges by a jury. They were innocent of the charges. What more do you want?

    sfjp330 - surely you are not that naive.

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    Tatanka

    Are we supposed to feel sorry for them when they come down with a rare form of cancer which would undoubtedly be related to their steriod use.

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    lostrune2

    It's cheater on cheater crime as far as we're concerned. Either let all the cheaters in, or keep 'em all out. But don't pick and choose which really cheated or not - because we can't really tell (like nobody could tell who'd end up cheating on their spouses).

    Or if they do get into the Hall of Fame, the HOF is technically a sports history museum, right? So let the museum plaque under the player's name list both the good and the questionable history of the player.

    BTW, there's no vote for nomination - players' names automatically become eligible for the HOF ballot 5 years after retirement, unless barred like Pete Rose. But it takes 75% of HOF voters to get into the HOF.

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    JohnBecker

    @sfjp330: Mark McGuire is not in the Hall of Fame. That's what we're talking about, isn't it? The Hall of Fame?

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    sfjp330

    hoserfellaNov. 30, 2012 - 11:14AM JST sfjp330 - surely you are not that naive.

    As Jose Canceco defined the steriod use in MLB in the late 90's and early 2000's, and the facts were majority of the position players and pitchers were using steriods. Either let all the cheaters in, or keep them all out. At the time, the Giants and all the MLB teams allowed it, and knew the players that were using it. It's the fault of commissioner and all the MLB teams, because they knew what was happening but didn't do nothing to enforce it, but looked the other way. Who set the rules after the fact? Now they are blaming Bonds and all other top players only? Why single out only top players?

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    sfjp330

    JohnBeckerDec. 01, 2012 - 02:37AM JST @sfjp330: Mark McGuire is not in the Hall of Fame. That's what we're talking about, isn't it? The Hall of Fame?

    No, making a living in MLB. Barry Bonds can't work as hitting coach.

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    nigelboy

    No, making a living in MLB. Barry Bonds can't work as hitting coach.

    JohnBecker is correct. This is about the election of who gets into the HOF, not about making a living now in MLB.

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    sfjp330

    nigelboy Dec. 01, 2012 - 05:09AM JST JohnBecker is correct. This is about the election of who gets into the HOF, not about making a living now in MLB.

    Then why was Barry Larkin in inducted into Hall of Fame? Players have up to 15 years on the writers’ ballot, and maybe opinions will change over time. The notion that we can correctly guess who was and was not using steroids is laughable. What if a player is exposed after induction? The hypocrisy would be palpable.

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    nigelboy

    Then why was Barry Larkin in inducted into Hall of Fame?

    What's wrong with Barry Larkin?

    Players have up to 15 years on the writers’ ballot, and maybe opinions will change over time.

    Yeah. So what's the problem then?

    The notion that we can correctly guess who was and was not using steroids is laughabl

    It's not "we". It's the baseball writers association. The criteria for who gets in is "subjective" for there are no golden rule until the steroid era. Whether you like or not, it becomes the burden on the eligible ex-players to convince these writers that they didn't use PED during their careers.

    .

    What if a player is exposed after induction?

    Then more scrutiny should be placed on the future elibile players. Duh!!

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    sfjp330

    nigelboy Dec. 01, 2012 - 05:38AM JST What's wrong with Barry Larkin?

    Barry Larkin, who was inducted into the Hall of Fame, Larkin has never been accused of using steroids. But the shortstop hit 33 home runs in 1996, right in the heart of the steroid era. Larkin’s power that year was a career anomaly, as he never hit more than 20 home runs in any other season. I can’t say that Larkin used steroids, but I can’t say that he didn’t, either. The simple fact is that any recent player inducted to the Hall of Fame will enter under a veil of suspicion and uncertainty, regardless of what evidence exists.

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    nigelboy

    Barry Larkin, who was inducted into the Hall of Fame, Larkin has never been accused of using steroids. But the shortstop hit 33 home runs in 1996, right in the heart of the steroid era

    Perhaps it's because he didn't change his helmet size, for one. Take out the 1996 season and he's still HOF, IMO.

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    sfjp330

    nigelboy Dec. 01, 2012 - 06:08AM JST Take out the 1996 season and he's still HOF, IMO.

    So what your saying is one season of accused cheating is ok and belongs in the HOF. How ridiculous.

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    sfjp330

    The Hall of Fame's `character' clause should be disabled immediately, because it's far too late to turn Cooperstown into a church. Whether it was gambling that was rampant in the early 20th century,, scuffing the baseballs, corking bats, amphetamines or steroids, players have been cheating like crazy forever. It's an integral, if unsavory, part of the culture. Steroids were not banned during the majority of their Bonds and Clemens careers when they achieved the vast majority of their accomplishments. All we can go by is what they did on the field. If Gaylord Perry is in the Hall for violating a rule that was in place 40 years before his career began, how can you justify withholding a vote from someone for a rule that wasn't in effect?

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    Tel Porter

    If Barry Bonds can get in the Hall of Fame, then Pete Rose should be allowed in.

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