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Kameda retains WBA bantamweight title

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    aintgottimetobl

    The Thai won the fight,but to take the belt it should be a clear cut defeat of the champion..It wasn't so he didn't.Koki haters will be flooding in screaming but the Thais performance needed greater dominance.

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    TheDevilsAssistant

    Don't understand how he won. He was backing up most of the time, only landed a few clean shots and didn't nail most of jabs. The Thai boxer dominated with most of the clean straights, jabs and hooks to the head.

  • 2

    WilliB

    DevilsAssistant:

    " Don't understand how he won. "

    Because the Thai was up not only against Koki but also the judges. To win against the Kamadas in Japan on points is a mission impossible,

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    Mick_Hardwick

    Koki Kameda just keeps on keeping on. He has been through some hard times, but his ability to survive at the top just shows that he is a very driven fighter.

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    Yubaru

    but his ability to survive at the top just shows that he is a very driven fighter.

    And that he gets a lot of help from all around ringside too!

    He's grown up some yes, but he should have lost this fight. They should fight again, in a neutral location with neutral judges. The outcome could very well be different!

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    smithinjapan

    aintgottimetobl: "Koki haters will be flooding in screaming but the Thais performance needed greater dominance."

    Not just Koki haters (although thanks to his family's attitude he's probably the MOST hated), but people who agree -- just as you did in the opening of your post -- that the Thai fighter won.

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    aintgottimetobl

    Mick Hardwick you're right,Yubaru sounds like you didn't watch it or weren't listening,smith..as I also said ,to take the championship the challenger needs to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he's considerably better,he had opportunities to do that but didn't or couldn't..he needed to do more..IMO.

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    Yubaru

    Mick Hardwick you're right,Yubaru sounds like you didn't watch it or weren't listening,smith..as I also said ,to take the championship the challenger needs to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he's considerably better,he had opportunities to do that but didn't or couldn't..he needed to do more..IMO.

    I watched the fight and if anything Kameda didn't win it. I disagree with the idea that the challenger has to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he's better.

    The fighter who is better during that one particular fight, challenger or champion SHOULD be judged as equals.

    What you are suggesting is, that the judging is biased, and if what you say is true then it wasn't a fairly judged fight and the champion, Kameda won only because his opponent didn't "prove beyond a reasonable doubt " that he was better.

    That's biased judging and wrong.

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    smithinjapan

    aintottimetobl: "smith..as I also said ,to take the championship the challenger needs to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that he's considerably better,he had opportunities to do that but didn't or couldn't..he needed to do more..IMO."

    On the contrary, the 'underdog' should automatically win if he can put up just as good as a fight, and needless to say when it's deserved, as it was here. Kameda has won YET AGAIN on a vote carried out in Japan, by Japanese judges. Let them go at it again on foreign soil, with mixed judges, and Kameda would lose.

    In any case, the winner is the person who deserves it, not the purpose who has won in the past by default and is defending the title. Imagine ANY other sport where this occurs, or hobby for that matter!

    "Well, you check-mated your opponent, but because you have near the same pieces left, and he is the defending champ (and one of our nationals), he wins."

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    aintgottimetobl

    It wasn't carried out by Japanese judges,for goodness sake,smith..how could you have possibly watched the fight and not know that..hypothesise all you like about how judging 'should' be done,personally I like the idea of a champion keeping the title unless he's Ko'd or Tko'd

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    Yubaru

    I like the idea of a champion keeping the title unless he's Ko'd or Tko'd

    Then in the same breath if he is the "champion" he should not keep his title *unless * he can Ko or Tko his opponent! He's champion and should be able to prove it each and every time he steps into the ring. Can't do it? Then give up the title.

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    JoeBigs

    Hell, Kaiyanghadaogym could have KO'ed Kameda in the first 5 seconds of the first round and Kameda would have still won the fight.

    Yes, I saw the fight and Kaiyanghadaogym won it on points, but you will never beat a Kameda when fighting in Osaka.

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    Yubaru

    but you will never beat a Kameda when fighting in Osaka.

    And it will be a miracle to see a Kameda take on any challenger worthy of a title shot OUTSIDE of Osaka too!

  • -1

    cracaphat

    It's common knowledge in boxing circles that you have to get a knockout to get a points victory in Japan.

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    Yubaru

    It's common knowledge in boxing circles that you have to get a knockout to get a points victory in Japan.

    This doesnt make sense. If you get a knockout you'd win no matter if you were winning in points or losing.

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    Hide Suzuki

    @Smith

    "by Japanese judges"

    None of the judges was Japanese. It's against their rules to use a judge that belongs to either's fighter's country of origin.

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    cracaphat

    Clearly if you understood boxing, you'd understand the meaning.

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    nandakandamanda

    The American judge voted one way, and the Australian judge voted the other.

    The Korean judge voted in favor of Koki, and his single vote tipped the balance.

    Koki wasn't as dirty as before. He has grown up, or been retrained or something, but he just about held even, even though he was bloodied and on the back foot most of the time.

    The Thai boxer Panomroonglek was convinced he had won, and I kind of agreed.

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    nandakandamanda

    ...erm, or the single vote of one of the others tipped the balance! LOL

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    nandakandamanda

    The three judges gave a) Kameda 115-113, b) Panoomroonglek 116-113, and c) Kameda 115-114.

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