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Tokyo bid says $4 billion already secured for 2016

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    rajakumar

    Money there for tokyo 2016, first city to show strong finance for games.

    Good for tokyo bid in November. Strong finance needed for games.

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    smithinjapan

    4 billion down the toilet. Tokyo won't get it in a million years... in fact, money is the ONLY strong point Japan has in its favour. All the rest are 100% against them. Multi-cultural nation? HA! Foreign-friendly? With IshiHARA running the show?? HA! Open space for new structures? Not at all... in fact, they have to destroy the environment a little further to build.

    Add to that that SAmerica has never hosted the Games, Asia just did last year, Japan has seen World Cup and Expo in the last decade, as well as other international competitions, and Japan ought to end up DEAD last in all this.

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    kenchan

    thats just rubbish..no treasury in the world can "hold" aside such large sums for something that is 7 years away and uncertain to happen. Probably all they are doing is calculating the % of tax revenues that they will cream off and put into this "bank" over the next 7 years.

    If I am wrong and they have that amount in a bank then I would say that they are being irresponsible to hold such public funds aside (not gaining much interest) instead of using it to help people now in the economic doldrums.

    Either way....the principles of what they say are wrong...and will not help their bid.

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    roomtemperature

    "in fact, money is the ONLY strong point Japan has in its favour. All the rest are 100% against them"

    The most hilarious post in ages!! Smith...not for me, but for yourself....get your facts straight. Because you're making yourself more and more rediculous by posting such nonsense.

    Not Tokyo's but Chicago's strong point is money. And, you could have guessed ( that's your srong point by the way ) that the rest is in favour of Tokyo. That's why the IOC gave Tokyo the highest evaluation score. You could have known this if you checked the link I provided you on your request. Did you check it already?

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    smithinjapan

    roomtemperature: give it a rest, my friend. It's a shame it's not being put to vote this afternoon so it would simply keep your imagination down a few octaves. Dude, Tokyo is NEVER going to get it. Not 2016, not 2020 (god knows they'll probably try AGAIN), not 2252 (if that's an Olympic year and humanity still exists).

    Now, if it had been Fukuoka that won the chance to vie for the Olympics, I'd say they would have had a MINOR chance, but not Japan. It only took Athens, what... 100 years to get it again after starting it up?

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    smithinjapan

    Oh, and the URL didn't work, to answer your question about checking links. I forgot to add yet ANOTHER forget against Tokyo, and that's Ishihara himself. The IOC in the past has targeted Ishihara personally and some of his beliefs as a reason why foreigners often do not feel that Japan is so welcoming (need I remind you of how badly Osaka scored in their bid?)

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    nigelboy

    Oh, and the URL didn't work, to answer your question about checking links. I

    I suggest you go to the main Olympic.org site and read the WG report because all you have is "I hate Japan so they shouldn't get it blah blah blah. WAHHH!!"

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    smithinjapan

    nigelboy: "I suggest you go to the main Olympic.org site and read the WG report because all you have is "I hate Japan so they shouldn't get it blah blah blah. WAHHH!!""

    I checked out some sites and found that Japan did indeed get the highest score on the APPLICATION!! hahaha... if that's seriously all you guys have to base an Olympic win on, I suggest you don't bet any money. Other links I checked pointed that out, and said Madrid and Tokyo have some weight behind them, being capital cities, but everything else is against them, in particular the fact that the Summer Games haven't been in the Americas for going on 20 years (at least by the time the games roll around), and SAmerica hasn't had it yet.

    If you think this is just some petty anti-Japan rant, you're wrong. I would have liked to see Fukuoka in the running. What DOES get me upset is the waste of 16 billion when they don't have the slightest chance in getting the Olympics. THat's your money, too, friend.

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    nigelboy

    That's great analysis (sigh) there Smitty but if Rio De Janeiro gets it in 2016 because as you said "SAmerica hasn't had it yet", wouldn't Tokyo now be the favorites for 2020 since Spain had it 1992, U.S. had it in 1996, Europe had it in 2012, and "Americas" had it in 2016?

    Or is it time for you to come up with more rants?

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    smithinjapan

    Nigelboy: Forgetting a few things, my friend. First and foremost that Tokyo has had the Olympics. Madrid hasn't, to my knowledge, and I believe it's also Chicago's first time. I think, yes, Rio getting it would have a lot to do with it having never been held in SAmerica, but Rio also has a lot more multi-culturism to it, as does Brazil as a whole, and Rio would have less environmental damage when it comes to building, less people (and less of a transportation nightmare as a result), and is more tourist friendly.

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    nigelboy

    Nigelboy: Forgetting a few things, my friend. First and foremost that Tokyo has had the Olympics. Madrid hasn't, to my knowledge, and I believe it's also Chicago's first time.

    And that did not prevent London from hosting the 2012 olympics for the third time didn't it?

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    smithinjapan

    Nigel: Nowhere did I say those are the only factors. However, Japan in the last decade has hosted the World Cup, WBC, Paralympics, Expo, and a slew of other, more minor International events. What's more, Japan is now putting in a bid (along with SKorea) for upcoming World Cup tournaments. Japan is basically applying for anything and everything in as little time as possible between.

    A short time ago I would have said Chicago would even be a better choice, but now I think they're more or less neck and neck in terms of places NOT to choose. There are plenty of reasons why Chicago would make a better choice than Tokyo, but at present, with the economy the way it is in the US, I think dumping so much money into the bid isn't the best use of money, and if things haven't improved by the years preceding the event (or god forbid gotten WORSE), you are going to see a LOT of unhappy people in the US about the shiney new structures being built and what not with tax dollars. Japan may well be facing a similar problem in the very near future.

    I think Japan would be a safe bet in 2024 or 2028, in a less populated city than Tokyo, assuming the economy has improved by then.

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    nigelboy

    Nigel: Nowhere did I say those are the only factors

    No. It's because I keep debunking all your so-called "reasons" and when you sort it out, all it comes down to is "I hate Japan so they shouldn't get it blah blah blah. WAHHH!!"

    So what's next. World Cup bid? Spain, U.S., and U.K. and Australia are in the running too. Are they also "basically applying for anything and everything in as little time as possible between"? Or does that standard only apply to Japan as in most of your arguments?

    What else you got?

    "but at present, with the economy the way it is in the (Name your favority candidate city here), I think dumping so much money into the bid isn't the best use of money, and if things haven't improved by the years preceding the event (or god forbid gotten WORSE), you are going to see a LOT of unhappy people in the (name your favorite candidate city here) about the shiney new structures being built and what not with tax dollars. (Name any country here) may well be facing a similar problem in the very near future."

    Long but always lame from smitty.

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    roomtemperature

    Smithinjapan says: "...Japan did indeed get the highest score on the APPLICATION!! hahaha... if that's seriously all you guys have to base an Olympic win on...."

    Beijing also got the highest score on just the application. And guess what Smith.....they got the 2008 Olympics. You love to take Osaka as an example, right? Well, me too. Osaka got the lowest score on the application. And guess again......right!!

    Indeed, so far that's all we have. The future will tell us if we get more. But saying that Tokyo's money is their only strong point and the rest is 100% against them is flat out lying!! Or ranting!!

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    smithinjapan

    nigelboy: "So what's next. World Cup bid? Spain, U.S., and U.K. and Australia are in the running too. Are they also "basically applying for anything and everything in as little time as possible between"? Or does that standard only apply to Japan as in most of your arguments?"

    Stop being such a poor loser! There's nothing in my comments to prove 'wrong' because I have said that nothing is 'right'; I gave my opinions as to why I think Japan will not get it. Man, there are some insecure people on this site sometimes!

    When was the last time any of those locations had the world cup? Let's take a look:

    Japan? 2002 (with SKorea) the US? 1994, I think. Spain? 1982 U.K.? 1966 Australia? Oh my.... well... never.

    So, no, none of those arguments apply only to Japan. Seems the only one going 'WAHHH!' as you say, is you in light of the facts. The most recent to hold these events, be it World Cup and/or Olympics, is the US, and that's another reason against Chicago (but not the only, since I have to keep spelling that out to you).

    "What else you got?"

    Actually, I've got a much, much better idea for you. Please enlighten all of us on here as to how you are sure Tokyo is going to win, and why it is the greatest place in all the world to hold the 2016 Olympics. It ought to be humurous at best. And please, don't simply say because they scored 0.4 points higher on the APPLICATION PROCESS than the other bids did. Give me some real reasons... or is it just, "Japan is the greatest WAHHHH!" with you?

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    smithinjapan

    roomtemperature: "Beijing also got the highest score on just the application. And guess what Smith.....they got the 2008 Olympics. You love to take Osaka as an example, right? Well, me too. Osaka got the lowest score on the application. And guess again......right!! Indeed, so far that's all we have. The future will tell us if we get more. But saying that Tokyo's money is their only strong point and the rest is 100% against them is flat out lying!! Or ranting!!"

    Well, a better post than your counterpart, I'll give you that. As for the application process order being the determiner in who gets it, you would only convince me that it's an actual indicator if it were that way ALL THE TIME. For example, while China did finish first and Osaka last, what were the ranks of the others according to the application points? How about the olympics in 2004 and 2000? And are you telling me that China won because they had the highest number of points on the application process?

    I remember reading interviews of the IOC members on why they chose China in the end and seem to recall one judge saying something along the lines of giving China a chance to show the world it's ready to take a more proactive role as a leader in the 21st century. This was, of course, despite knowing about flagrant human rights abuses (Tibet, Falun Gong, etc.).

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    smithinjapan

    roomtemperature: Sorry, I meant to add at the end that you are right in one respect for sure, we shall see what happens by October 2nd. If Japan gets it, well, one big party for the Japanese, and a whole lot of grief for many of us here (and some fun, as well, perhaps), but I doubt very much that is going to happen.

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    smithinjapan

    nigelboy: "and when you sort it out, all it comes down to is "I hate Japan so they shouldn't get it blah blah blah. WAHHH!!"

    You've got some serious issues, kiddo. Nowhere have I ever said I hate Japan. I'm sorry that: a) either you do and have a funny way of showing it, b) you're sad and insecure, and feel the need to suggest others hate Japan simply because they don't think Tokyo will get the Olympics, or what have you. If I said the opposite and thought Tokyo had a good chance, you'd probably burst with pride like Obama called you first or something.

    Come on, bud. I'm not against Japan at all, I just think it's a waste of money because I'm quite sure they won't get it. Ishihara is a well known racist and is getting quite old and senile; he shouldn't have the right to waste 16 billion yen of tax money when pretty much everyone is against the bid (it was 4 to 1 against, but since he was governor Ishihara said only his vote counted); in other words it doesn't hurt him if the bid fails and the money is lost. He can just go back to cursing the foreigners and people will still cheer him on for it.

    If you really want to try slinging around some bias, just do a simple 'nigelboy japan' google and you find, well, YOU defending Tojo's granddaughter, textbook revisions, visits to Yasukuni, against foreign laborours who don't have some Japanese blood 'better Nikkeis than non-Nikkeis', defending the idiot who wrote the essay that said Japan's atrocities were lies, etc. etc. Man, I LIKE Japan and say a few things against practices I DON'T like here. You? you make the terms bias and prejudice seem like euphemisms.

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    Musubi

    Tokyo is Ready!

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    Potsu

    PLEASE not Japan....Beijing was an absolute eyesore of a place,and Japan isn't far behind.A nice scenic country would be refreshing....no more rusted fences,pachinko etc...horrible as a tourist to get that all the time in Japan,Korea and China.

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    roomtemperature

    Smithy, honestly speaking, I also doubt Tokyo well get it. Not because of your arguments, because sorry to say, your arguments are wide off the mark. Tokyo is a big city, like Chicago, Madrid and Rio. For example, they all have problems with transportation. But this time I dare to bet that Tokyo's transportation system is by far the best in the world. I think Tokyo won't get it is because the IOC has to make a decision 1 year after Beijing. I truly really hope the Olympics will come here and I'm sure Tokyo can make it a great event. I understand nigelboy's argumentation. It really sounds like you hate Japan, because you are so very sure of yourself that Tokyo won't get. Again, stick to the facts. And don't let guesses, bets and suppositions influence your view on reality.

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    smithinjapan

    roomtemperature: " But this time I dare to bet that Tokyo's transportation system is by far the best in the world."

    Well, I agree and disagree. Japan in general has BY FAR the best and most convenient transportation system in the world, particularly when it comes to trains, but this is a system set up to deal with regular transportation. For the Olympics, the current transportation system in Tokyo, where people are already regularly crammed into trains by dudes with white gloves (and I'm saying that because I see it every day), would not be welcoming AT ALL to the added burden of the games.

    Anyway, I'm happy we agree on one thing, at least, and as I said (at least one of my reasons), they won't get it based on regional reasons alone (Asia just had it, SAmerica hasn't, etc).

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    roomtemperature

    Smithinjapan: I see those white gloves every day too. I know what you're talking about.

    Something about those regions. Don't forget other major sports events. The world cup soccer will be held in Brazil ( with Rio as its center ) in 2014, two years before the 2016 Olympics. The next Olympics will be in Europe ( London ). You think they will be held in Europe again 4 years later in Madrid? Next year Vancouver holds the winter Olympics. Two years later the summer Olympics again in North America? Same goes for Tokyo....like I mentioned before. Maybe or maybe not these facts will influence the IOC's decision later this year.

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    smithinjapan

    roomtemp: Thanks for the post. I am well aware, of course, that Brazil is holding the WC when it is, and that the Olympics would fall two days later, and that is one thing that works against them. However, I don't think it works TOO much against them for a couple of reasons: when it comes to soccer, Brazil still has the most WC victories, and that's a major plus when running major sports events (that the country in question have a relatively strong competitive ability, though Brazil is not exactly a power house in the Olympics). Second, I know this sounds like an odd assessment, but for some reason an event that has just passed recently has a much stronger effect on decision making for the future than, say, if both (in this case the WC and Olympics) events were still a little ways off. China JUST ended, and it was massive, and that's going to weigh more heavily in the decision process than WC being two years before the Olympics. What's more, since both would be based in/around Rio, the athletic facilities for some of the WC events would prove ideal for the Olympics, and would somewhat cut down on construction costs. Tokyo of course also has some remaining sports fields, etc. from that time, but by then they will have been 14 years old.

    The Vancouver Winter Olympics will definitely rule out Canada as a contender in any nearby Summer Games (which REALLY made a lot of Canucks angry since the Toronto bid was so close to Beijing for 2008 that they had a good chance for 2012 or 16 until the Winter Games went through), but I don't think that would affect the decision process too much for a Chicago held Summer Games; at least, as you pointed out, since in all other cases except Rio the Summer Games will be (or have been) held close by.

    Anyway, it's interesting to look at all the pros and cons and weigh in on who's going to get it/not get it.

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    cwhite

    Tokyo will probably get the bid (not that I would want it too, judging by the amount of people, police, terrorist targets, etc, etc that come with the venue. I'll remember to say "I told you so" in the near future.

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    nigelboy

    Sorry smitty.

    If your argument is that Tokyo shouldn't host the Olympics because they had it before (unlike Rio or Chicago) then London should of never gotten the bid in 2012 for the third time.

    If your argument is that Tokyo (Japan) should not get it since they are also in a bid for another big sporting event (i.e. World Cup) then neither Spain nor U.S. should get it since they too are also bidding for the 2018 WC.

    If your argument is the Japan had already hosted a big sporting even in the turn of the century (World Cup 2002), then Brazil which has already secured a 2014 World Cup, should not get the Olympic Bid in 2016.

    However, Japan in the last decade has hosted the World Cup, WBC, Paralympics, Expo, and a slew of other, more minor International events.

    You see where I'm getting at. Those were your initial arguments.

    Now you turn around and say in regards to Brazil

    Second, I know this sounds like an odd assessment, but for some reason an event that has just passed recently has a much stronger effect on decision making for the future than, say, if both (in this case the WC and Olympics) events were still a little ways off.

    The only thing that's consistent with you is that you keep coming up with excuses why Tokyo shouldn't get it.

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