Apple, Google gain in U.S. smartphone market: survey

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    malfupete

    nope, not an engineer and never worked in manufacturing but yes to the economics. there's more to it than simply large numbers of output.. at a certain point, a firm will start to see its average costs increase with each additional unit of output, which is termed 'diseconomies of scale'.. the point past the ideal firm size. I don't know if Apple or Samsung has achieved this yet but it wouldn't make economic sense for them to produce as many phone as they could.

    Could bust out more but my degree and economics text books are being used as fuel for my fire place at the moment.

    and I think I'm allowed to a little sarcasm via google and phone fees, no? (yes, I know there is no relation between the two but we can have a little fun)

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    malfupete

    they should probably say that Apple and Samsung are gaining in the US market. Does Google even build phones or do they just provide the software??

  • 1

    malfupete

    @bas: oh yeah, i forgot samsung don't only make phones.. my bad!

  • 1

    malfupete

    ^ out of that 64%, I wonder what the make up is: mostly samsung products? LG? Motorola? etc etc

    its all a numbers game.. (and let me clarify that I am no apple fan boy) if there are 10 companies that use an Android OS vs 1 that uses iOS, its a simple conclusion that there will be more phones based around android.. which is one of the main reasons why I think looking at an Apple vs Android comparison is totally meaningless, not withstanding the fact that Android is an os and Apple a company, but I digress..

    Lets not forget that phones that use Android are also competing against each other as well as the iPhone. If we look at that 64% of android proliferation in Japan, I'm sure Samsung, LG, whoever, would love to have 100% of that and crush the other vendors. In the end, Google wins and we go back to paying exorbitant cell phone fees (at least I do here in Canada!!)

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    SuperLib

    And today's Apple story is....

  • 0

    gogogo

    @malfupete: they build the nexus phones. And before an apple fan boy chimes in and says they outsource the manufacturing to other companies like Samsung, it is the same thing apple does.

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    malfupete

    oh.. they all outsource. i doubt the likes of apple and samsung actually own the production facilities

  • -1

    basroil

    malfupeteJan. 05, 2013 - 09:41PM JST

    oh.. they all outsource. i doubt the likes of apple and samsung actually own the production facilities

    No, Samsung is a completely vertical company, aside from raw ore. They can do everything from refining metals used in cases to photolithography for chips, and final assembly as well (and do do it). Google, unlike apple, never made any excuses and openly states their device manufactures, since they aren't there to compete, just to show off.

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    technosphere

    Who cares about US domestic market here? Many people live in Asia-Pacific region and prefer to buy Samsung or HTC products.

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    basroil

    technosphereJan. 07, 2013 - 01:56PM JST

    Who cares about US domestic market here?

    The media loves apple, and only in the USA is apple even in the top 3 sellers (based on OS versions). Last statistic for Japan put it at 64% android, so quite a bit more than the USA.

  • -4

    Korlacan Khanthavilay

    http://www.businessinsider.com/consumer-reports-iphone-5-2013-1

    Apparently not everyone likes Apple

  • -5

    basroil

    malfupeteJan. 08, 2013 - 12:08AM JST

    its all a numbers game.. (and let me clarify that I am no apple fan boy) if there are 10 companies that use an Android OS vs 1 that uses iOS, its a simple conclusion that there will be more phones based around android

    First of all, I specifically stated that it was OS vs OS. That means Android 2.x vs 4.x vs iOS 6 vs iOS5, so it doesn't matter how many players are there, only how many systems. Most android phones are 2.x, and a sizable amount in 4.x, while iOS is about 50/50 between 6 and 5. Between iOS and Android every comparison is valid, since they are both software, and more so, both made by a single company. However, since only one device uses iOS, and it's also made by Apple, you can interchange iOS and Apple interchangeably (for the post above iOS6 since no other version is valid for sale).

    And apparently you've never done manufacturing engineering and economics of manufacturing. There's a thing called economics of scale, where a manufacturer can get better prices simply though larger numbers. So while many companies make a lot of phones, only the two (Samsung and Apple) can get massive profits simply through lower costs.

    And as for phone fees, has nothing to do with Google, since there's no contract exclusivity in their case (not true of iOS until 5). Complain to your phone company.

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