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  alphawolf at 06:22 AM JST - 7th November

  Diversity is Americas strength..aw

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  tigermoth at 06:23 AM JST - 7th November

  Yabits - what's so 'vile' about my comment if you really think about it? Okay, the 'rain of nuclear weapons' part is a bit over the top. But the fundamental complaint by those extremists (and by whatever chance a good majority of them are Muslim - whether you like it or not) is in western meddling in their affairs that has brougt them nothing but woe. To a large degree they are right. America, Britain and others have been meddling for a long time. Much of it was our greed in obtaining oil and maintaining our addiction to this. We created a super-wealthy upper stratta, i.e. the 'Sheiks' who control the oil fields and the national wealth, while the rest were left to it. Of course you must read the history of the region to realize that there has been bicking, fighting and general chaos long before the western world took any interest in the region. But for good or bad, they want us out. So we should simply get out and leave them to it. Fair enough? Can you possibly disagree with that - and if so why?

  At the same time, while I must truthfully admit to a good deal of ignorance about the muslim faith and general beliefs, for fundamentalists I beleive there is something alluding to the fact than any non-believers should be summarily dealt with. While my comment on the nuclear rain of death might be out of hand, it should be made plain that much as the spread of christianity was forced upon much of the world by earlier 'pilgrams' a similar spread of Islam, particularly by force, is not welcome. Let people believe what they wish and have no fear of repurcussions because of this. The Taliban certainly doesn't take that point of view.

  There are videos out showing the killer dressed in traditional Arab dress shortly before his rampage. He was giving out copies of the Koran. He reportedly (not confirmed) was yelling something about Allah as he was killing these people. Fair evidence that his religious beliefs came into play I should think.

  And as for your first comment about no one wishing to excuse the killings, just read the posts above. Right away several posters jumped into the unjust war thing. Any war is disgusting and unjust; but it's not an excuse for what occurred. There is implication of cause and effect there, whether your bias for the muslim world and leftist point of view allows you to see it or not.

  All I'm saying and suggesting is a mutually beneficial course of action. Muslims are tired of being killed by US troops in their countries. A great number of us are tired of our folks getting killed by muslims (and yes, I realize there are 'good' and 'bad' muslims - if you want to ignore the extremely sexist way women are treated which I personally find highly offensive - but hey, that's me). There has to be a separation and a 'you leave me alone and I'll leave you alone' gentleman's agreement. It's not about intolerance or bigotry (although you'll likely disagree) but rather the unfeasibility of mixing opposite cultural extremes and expecting miracle results. If similar groups/cultures in the region haven't been able to co-exist very peacefully in hundreds or thousands of years, we have no chance. That's why the 'hearts and minds' campaign that idiot Bush tried with the military and Iraq and Afganistan has been such a dismal failure. The hatred and mistrust is too deep, and the fissures widened by war and killing. Time to cut losses.

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  numbskull at 10:09 AM JST - 7th November

  Fair evidence that his religious beliefs came into play I should think.

  Emphasis on his religious beliefs. This where so many get confused. His beliefs are not shared by most Muslims. His beliefs are the minority, which is why 1 billion Muslims are not shooting at us. Most of them live in peace.

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  nedinjapan at 11:53 AM JST - 7th November

  His name is an Arab name, and he had said he was Palestinian. I guess he was raised rebelious at home, had problems adjusting to the society outside, and then at work decided to kill as many as he could along with himself. Very deranged personality. I just wonder how a psychopath could work as a psychiatrist? I know many psychiatrists are a bit crazy themselves, but this is extreme ...

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  Sarge at 11:59 AM JST - 7th November

  This is not going to help the image of Muslims.

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  skipthesong at 12:33 PM JST - 7th November

  Emphasis on his religious beliefs. This where so many get confused. His beliefs are not shared by most Muslims. His beliefs are the minority, which is why 1 billion Muslims are not shooting at us. Most of them live in peace." Oh, so are you telling me they are quite content with everything? C'mon. No, its not his relgion of course, but it is the upper echelon in that religion that is a problem.

  now back on topic: This what the 4th or 5th incident like this that has happened not in a war zone, but right in the US. While you want to look for the cause of the fire, it might be best to put the fire out first and then think about the cause. its becoming clearer and clearer that they do not want to live amongst us and they are not going to go anywhere, so what is to be done?

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  sageb1 at 05:31 PM JST - 7th November

  Here are the facts so far:

  The shooter was dressed in army gear like an officer.

  He used two handguns any civilian can get easily in Texas, legally.

  IMHO I still insist alienation & fear motivated Hasan more so than Islam did.

  His behavior as caught on a security camera at a convenience store also matches the profile of a shooter.

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  nandakandamanda at 10:00 PM JST - 7th November

  How come you guys all get to talk about Muslims and Islam? The JT Mods deleted my post and said: " Off topic. This is not about Islam."

  What I wanted to say was that a very influencial body of Muslim scholars has just this week denounced terrorism and said that it has nothing to do with Islam. I also included a reference to the news article.

  Moderator: We do not wish readers to turn this discussion into an anti-Islam rant.

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  skipthesong at 10:48 PM JST - 7th November

  IMHO I still insist alienation & fear motivated Hasan more so than Islam did." Ah, but you want to look at it as though he was alienated by others and not of his choosing.
  Now we are getting reports from his patients. Word is that some say he debated them on whether the war was right or wrong.

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  Blue_Tiger at 03:11 AM JST - 8th November

  Before everyone and their mother goes off on how bad guns are in the USA, remember this happened on an Army Base where there is access to weapons of all sorts.

  As far as the man's beliefs, remember, in Islam, suicide of this nature is a sin...actually, so are all the suicide killings in civilian areas, too...

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  yokohamarider at 10:40 AM JST - 8th November

  Whatever this nut job's motivation for his cowardly act (Islam or insanity - they are really one and the same!), I think it is HILARIOUS that of all the people who would drop this idiot with four bullets to his torso it was a WOMAN!

  LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!!!!!

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  yokohamarider at 10:45 AM JST - 8th November

  Hey Blue Tiger - it wasn't suicide. The guy is still alive (unfortunately). And where does it say it is a sin in the Koran? They are supposed to kill "unbelievers" "wherever they find them". You people who keep trying to whitewash Islam and its murderous history are a real disservice to humanity.

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  HonestDictator at 05:02 AM JST - 9th November

  It would be nice if we could all say the koran is a good religious text, but when you really read it, and then hear what believers say about it its a more contradictory work than anything you'll ever see. As they said about Hasan, he was a mess of contradictions. It would be nice if this whole situation was black or white, but its a very ambiguous confuddled grey area and the backlash both between muslims and practically every other society are always going to conflict.

  Check out the UN resolution that is attempting to be passed by major Islamic countries.

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  Justuju at 09:15 AM JST - 10th November

  American army needs diversity as a strategic and calculated step. It is not for any kind of love for Islam. When you fight with Islamists, like in Iraq and Afghanistan, you need some people who can share a common thread during a battle or in its aftermath: say during a debriefing of an enemy combatant. Playing a good cop, bad cop game ... during such episodes.

  While Nidal's actions are condemnable to say the least, a cause and effect analysis of another incident in Orlando, Florida, says what! People can go berserk, no matter what their religion, when they feel belittled and betrayed for some reasons. Has anybody talked about the faith practiced by Rodrigues, the latest American fratricide committer? Similar cases in Texas, and at other places in USA, like Oklahoma bombing for instance, have taken place, and no one has ever talked about "their' faith.

  One should hold judgment, until a far reaching alarming warning signs of dissent are seen among any given group of individuals, who do not agree with a war continuum by USA. The foot soldiers are tired now, and they need some rest.

  About Hasan, this is surprisingly a case of human resources management failure. Motivation to do his job was lacking: he was getting disenchanted, and at this point in time, he needed to be relieved of his duties, as an unwilling soldier is nothing else then a danger to his own comrades! People like him should be let gone .... with the first hint of a deep dissent to the military objectives.

  One needs to scrutinize as to what took place during his morning shopping and the afternoon hours that he went berserk! Also, it needs to be closely investigated as to how many people he was able to personally shoot before collapsing. It is highly improbable that he fired as many as 32+13= 45 shots! These many would probably not fit in common US pistol magazines ... Looks like in the ensuing confusion some friendly firing took place .. The nature of wounds would speak for themselves.

  It is amazing to see as to how little US forces have learned even after being the most experienced fighters in the world since world war II. They have been in every pie. Arab Israeli wars, Lebanon civil war, Iranian operations, Iraq 1991, Afghanistan 1998, Afghanistan 2002, Iraq 2003, Honduras incursion, Bosnian battles, Afghanistan Russian battles over a very long period from 1979 to 1989, to name a few. Still the psychological effects of war have not been analyzed in sufficient detail.

  Hasan Nidal's shout of Allah o Akbar should not be taken as a Jihadist's battle cry! It is a very common sentence, if you will, used by a common Muslim during his daily chores, just saying a praise to Allah. Like one says, oh my gosh, or Jesus Christ in amazement or in excitement. This is just one of those Islamic values that could be misinterpreted in the background of this horrible incident.

  Also it needs to be seen that Hasan was a true Loner. No girl friends, no love life. So what was his motivating factor to carry on in a tough military life! Not to shoot his comrades one day for sure.

  This is a more complex medico-socio-psycho and 'environmental hostility' episode, that probably could never be fully understood. That is a quality of human beings: Unpredictabilty. His back lash in revenge (supposedly) is what can be attributed to human nature, and not to a religious indoctrination.

  Let the American dream live on. When wars are soon over, all would be quite on the western front! "Insha Allah, Allah o Akbar." Live and let live. Let the world issues where drastic violations of human rights are taking place be resolved without blood letting. Do we need to name those places? Darfur, Palestine, Kashmir, Burma,,,,, and the cruel American isolation policies towards Cuba!!! There must be more ... you name them.

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  Justuju at 09:24 AM JST - 10th November

  Yep, you have to add the infamous Vietnam war, and Korean fiascos to the list of tiring US live ammo exercises.

  And read 'than' for 'then' typed out by me somewhere up in the earlier posting ;-)

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