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12 wounded in shooting at Miami party

World Jul. 07, 2009 - 05:00AM JST ( 13 )

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VORJul. 07, 2009 - 08:05AM JST

Overtown is a lost cause. Move on people nothing to see here.
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JoeBigsJul. 07, 2009 - 08:31AM JST

Ah Miami, my old town.....What a shootout in Overtown? No no no I would have never believed that would happen in that part of Miami....

For those who do not know what an Overtown is, imagine the filth and drugs of Roppongi and then multiply that by 10 to the 100th power and there you go, Overtown.....

I do not know which is worse Overtown or Liberty City.......

When I was growing up the area known as Carol City was almost as bad, but then the citizens got together and cleaned it up.....
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skipthesongJul. 07, 2009 - 11:23AM JST

It was once a nice town...
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smithinjapanJul. 07, 2009 - 11:38AM JST

"For those who do not know what an Overtown is, imagine the filth and drugs of Roppongi and then multiply that by 10 to the 100th power and there you go, Overtown....."

Don't forget everyone being entitled to bear such weapons.
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ebisenJul. 07, 2009 - 11:43AM JST

PARTYYY!!!!

Florida style...
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smithinjapanJul. 07, 2009 - 12:46PM JST

I jumped the gun, a bit, so to speak, with my comment on guns. The fact that people can say, "It's Overtown, what do you expect?", though, is indication that things have gotten out of control not only with the attitude towards crime, but with how it's carried out.
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skipthesongJul. 07, 2009 - 12:54PM JST

Don't forget everyone being entitled to bear such weapons." have you ever been there? You'd be stupid not to have something on you when going through there. crime is getting worse and you blame people who are trying to defend themselves yet not looking at so many other obvious elements.
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skipthesongJul. 07, 2009 - 12:57PM JST

go ahead smith, get a law prohibiting guns, and I'll bet you many in Overtown will still get guns. Notice there was virtually very little crime in that area when the idea of banning guns wasn't even thought of and basically everyone had one - legally? Why don't you put your energy into wiping out poverty and let your idea of banning guns fade away. That is what is driving these crimes.
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smithinjapanJul. 07, 2009 - 01:05PM JST

skipthesong: " have you ever been there? You'd be stupid not to have something on you when going through there."

So, I'd be stupid not to 'have something', eh? Why's that, because everyone else has something? That's my point, skip. I'm not going to be one of the stupid masses that lives in or goes to an area where you can simply accept that kind of lifestyle and say, "Shou ga nai, ne!"

"go ahead smith, get a law prohibiting guns, and I'll bet you many in Overtown will still get guns"

It's up to you, not me, to do that. And I bet you're right -- many would have guns still, but they would be criminals for possessing them, and eligible for arrest. The excuse that we can't fight guns until we fight crime is ludicrous. Criminals will have guns regardless of the laws, that's not up for debate; what IS up for debate is every Joe Blow on the street having them, non-criminals engaging suddenly in gun crime, and the results being far worse. A poor man with a legal gun who gets desperate will make things far less pretty than a poor desperate man withOUT a gun.

You guys will never learn until it's your own kids gunned down; but then again, some of you DO have family killed and go the wrong way altogether.
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skipthesongJul. 07, 2009 - 01:22PM JST

So, I'd be stupid not to 'have something', eh? Why's that, because everyone else has something? That's my point, skip. I'm not going to be one of the stupid masses that lives in or goes to an area where you can simply accept that kind of lifestyle and say, "Shou ga nai, ne" Well, there a whole lot of places I recommend you staying out of, especially if you are ... well you know..

It's up to you, not me, to do that. And I bet you're right -- many would have guns still, but they would be criminals for possessing them, and eligible for arrest." Well, I'll bet you a whole of them in this incident did not have a gun legally...

You guys will never learn until it's your own kids gunned down; but then again, some of you DO have family killed and go the wrong way altogether." That is a very low blow. I believe I have stated quite a number of times about my dad.. and I know I have posted that to you directly.

I also think you are misinterpreting things. I could care less if guns were gone, in fact I'd be happy. But like Nukes, they are here to stay laws or no laws and I at least like knowing I at the very lest have something to defend myself with. My dad was wrong about not having a gun.
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smithinjapanJul. 07, 2009 - 04:22PM JST

skip: "That is a very low blow. I believe I have stated quite a number of times about my dad.. and I know I have posted that to you directly."

Ah, geez, skip. Would you believe me if I told you I forgot your dad was killed in gun violence? I realized that might have been the case soon after posting, which is why I came on to check. I wouldn't have been quite so crass had I remembered before posting. I do recall some people on here saying they knew people who died (friends or family) and one person a while ago going on about how everyone should have guns as a result (or some such nonsense), but I was being general when I said you and low-and-behold, it turns out I wasn't after all. Anyway, my apologies for that; didn't mean to be offensive. I do remember you saying that now.

"I also think you are misinterpreting things. I could care less if guns were gone, in fact I'd be happy. But like Nukes, they are here to stay laws or no laws and I at least like knowing I at the very lest have something to defend myself with."

I'm glad you'd be happy if guns were gone, but now that I think back to our argument, didn't you say you have (had) one back home? Does that follow the 'I'd be happy if guns were gone' logic? As for nukes, I believe Obama and other nations are seeking ways to reduce their stock piles, which is in part what they are going to talk about in Russia. Why don't they do the same for guns, then, if you say they're alike. That's not misinterpretation.

Anyway, we're veering from the point slightly. Soon after my first post I came on to say that I was a little harsh in quickly blaming this ALL on guns. But again, look at the posts by other people: they're all like, "It's to be expected", which in my mind is why this kind of thing happens.
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skipthesongJul. 07, 2009 - 05:57PM JST

smith, I know. We only blog each other, we don't really know each other. No offense, in fact I'm sorry. that's the problem with blogs, we become quasi friends or enemies... yes, I would be glad if all guns were gone and I would get rid of mine if you can prove to me that the people who are the reason why I'd prefer to carry one have zero access to them, but until you figure out a way to change people, because we have had guns in the US for a very long time, taking away guns is about 1/1000th of the problem in my opinion. Again, as JB can also state, the area is now known, and as far back as I can remember my telling me to stay out of there, as a bad place - with or without guns.

I think why some posters are saying "its to be expected" is that most Americans have given up on getting rid of crime. I have. All you have to do is sit and watch a few movies/tv shows and you get a glimpse of the American way. heck, we even root for the bad guys (American Gangster for example). What's next?
this incident, sadly, is just 1 out of the millions to come. Its now considered our nature. The good guy with the white hat is gone and never to return.
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smithinjapanJul. 07, 2009 - 09:23PM JST

skip: "But like Nukes, they are here to stay laws or no laws"

You see they are planning to reduce the arsenals by 1/3 or something :)

Seriously, though. I'm not really worried about who are 'friends' or 'enemies' on a site like this. Of course, some tend to be friendlier and of the same mind than others.

I agree with you that crime is a problem, and hence my second post saying it was less about guns than it is the mentality stated in the first few comments preceding mine. I refuse to agree that nothing can be done about it except buying a gun to 'protect' yourself. Saying "it's the American way" has been proven to be a pile of drivel, and in a couple of centuries, if we can survive that long and progress as a species, it'll be looked at as an era of utter stupidity. Unfortunately, it's the people who don't care that are doing most of the killing, which is what makes it scary. It's scarier still when you think of the number of guns they might have.